TWG CLXIX: TWGabout Revolution - GAME THREAD

[FreezinIce]

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Well I made a big post then accidently navigated away from the page and lost it.

Sad

[FreezinIce]

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I'll try to remake it later, or a least summarize it

[the sun fan]

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to say something that Amazon said last game, H&H

wolves kill people posting like sanzath
serial killers kill people posting like storn

its about 60% of what he said.

Lets say, hypothetically, I am a wolf fakeclaiming a role here. Two roles outing to kill a wolf is not a good trade for town. Firstly, it doesn't confirm that I am lying, it just confirms that someone is lying. Secondly, its not a good trade numerically, it gives the last 2 wolves and the sk prime nightkill targets, as well as eliminating two valuable town players for one potentially valuable wolf player.

Also, again hypothetically, if I am fake, then I will continue to live through the night (unless the SK doubts me for some strange reason or something), in which case either through flips or claims or a combination thereof, it would become readily apparent that I am fakeclaiming. Its not something that would need to be dealt with right now because I would have to continue to live a long-ass time in order to get away with this as a wolf, and that kind of thing just rarely gets pulled off by wolves, and usually its because town plays bad rather than the fakeclaiming wolf playing well.

I get the paranoia from you here, but its unfounded. There is not going to be 2 other role claims almost certainly, it would just be a shit-tier play for a wolf to trade themself for myself, and I would be pretty happy if that happened.

I guess to talk a bit more about why I think sanzath was wolfkilled and storn was killed by the sk, storn wasn't widely townread whereas sanzath was pretty townread towards the end of the phase, meaning that storn is a potential mislynch. Storn is a person that the wolves could have potentially mislynched, and there wasn't really anything there pointing towards or against him being a role iirc. Wolves rarely kill potential mislynch targets because its just dumb to do that, especially on the first night, which is the night killing power roles is best for the wolves.

Now, I don't think this is smart, but what I would guess happened is that the wolves looked at Sanzath's frustration at being pushed on, and incorrectly concluded that he was potentially a power role from the frustration (again, I think its dumb, but it feels like its what happened).

storn just makes sense as an SK kill given how he was read. Also, there is the thing Haku pointed out about Xiz killing his townreads as SK, but that's only a very minor thing.

[the sun fan]

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the pride post, your posting in general and blue claim remind me of the last turbo. there isnt anything solid about why i don't like it and its more paranoia i guess.

I guess I see this?

Look at the difference here.

Last game, it was a claim to win the game.

This game, its a claim to give town more information and help town move forward. This plan is basically suicidal as a wolf, considering the last 2 wolves would become a single wolf if I was fake, which is almost unwinnable for the wolves at this stage of the game.

[the sun fan]

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the pride part is basically always there, WV.

[blindreper1179]

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Sun is usually full of himself, in a good way though.

[the sun fan]

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Screw you man, if I think about it, suggesting that "the other PR shouldn't claim" sounds bs. If one more claimed and there was another PR left, we would find out and frame you.

Also why have you insisted twice that the wolf kill MUST be sanz? Once in your read list, and not long ago when you said it is a bad kill. This is not an accusation, but its an element that stands out to me, so people can discuss this.

I smell a Sven Plan forming.
Please don't form a Sven Plan about this lmao.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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I guess I see this?

Look at the difference here.

Last game, it was a claim to win the game.

This game, its a claim to give town more information and help town move forward. This plan is basically suicidal as a wolf, considering the last 2 wolves would become a single wolf if I was fake, which is almost unwinnable for the wolves at this stage of the game.

Yeah that's why I said it was more paranoia than anything else. It's like saying I don't like sleeping in the dark because ghosts. If I had any substantial reason to not believe you I'd have said it. I'm just giving my thoughts on things as they come

[Wayward Vagabond]

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This is also my second game with you so I don't have prior experience to go off of

[Hateandhatred]

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to say something that Amazon said last game, H&H

wolves kill people posting like sanzath
serial killers kill people posting like storn

its about 60% of what he said.

Lets say, hypothetically, I am a wolf fakeclaiming a role here. Two roles outing to kill a wolf is not a good trade for town. Firstly, it doesn't confirm that I am lying, it just confirms that someone is lying. Secondly, its not a good trade numerically, it gives the last 2 wolves and the sk prime nightkill targets, as well as eliminating two valuable town players for one potentially valuable wolf player.

Also, again hypothetically, if I am fake, then I will continue to live through the night (unless the SK doubts me for some strange reason or something), in which case either through flips or claims or a combination thereof, it would become readily apparent that I am fakeclaiming. Its not something that would need to be dealt with right now because I would have to continue to live a long-ass time in order to get away with this as a wolf, and that kind of thing just rarely gets pulled off by wolves, and usually its because town plays bad rather than the fakeclaiming wolf playing well.

I get the paranoia from you here, but its unfounded. There is not going to be 2 other role claims almost certainly, it would just be a shit-tier play for a wolf to trade themself for myself, and I would be pretty happy if that happened.

I guess to talk a bit more about why I think sanzath was wolfkilled and storn was killed by the sk, storn wasn't widely townread whereas sanzath was pretty townread towards the end of the phase, meaning that storn is a potential mislynch. Storn is a person that the wolves could have potentially mislynched, and there wasn't really anything there pointing towards or against him being a role iirc. Wolves rarely kill potential mislynch targets because its just dumb to do that, especially on the first night, which is the night killing power roles is best for the wolves.

Now, I don't think this is smart, but what I would guess happened is that the wolves looked at Sanzath's frustration at being pushed on, and incorrectly concluded that he was potentially a power role from the frustration (again, I think its dumb, but it feels like its what happened).

storn just makes sense as an SK kill given how he was read. Also, there is the thing Haku pointed out about Xiz killing his townreads as SK, but that's only a very minor thing.

Well that is fair enough, however I really want to hear what everyone thinks about this

I also think we should talk a little more about the SK. This is something wolves could technically also constribute to, and while I know Xiz is a prime SK suspect, we need development on the role I think.

On a sidenote, dad was released from the hospital today and is fine. I'm also off now due to a Billy Talent gig near my workplace, which means I'll be busy until the morning.

[Hateandhatred]

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I smell a Sven Plan forming.
Please don't form a Sven Plan about this lmao.

soon.

[Hakulyte]

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@Sunfan

The idea of : "I want town credibility, but I want to remain a ~mysterious~ PR while still convincing you guys that I'm town."

smh

Why not just.. not even claim and work your way up with reads / progression etc. ?


I'm really confused about what made you post that in the first place because I feel like it's a risky play that wasn't necessary.

Having nothing to add on the table in terms of new information makes it suspicious as well. Even night actions that gave nothing is information.

You're also going to be at risk of a NK just because you claimed PR. It's not like wolves have anything better to lynch outside of like maybe the SK.

I feel like the Harry Potter part can be faked, but that may be just me being stubborn.

I think you're claiming PR like this in hope the SK think you're a wolf and target someone else.


tl;dr: I just don't like your claim regardless of alignment because I still feel like you had other options at this point.

If you're a wolf, you will not get NK'd and the SK will probably want to target a town and will avoid you. This is what is the most dangerous by far.

I can see you getting far in the game as wolf because the NK will never be on you and the SK will just keep sniping townies slowly and you can be like "I have no idea why I'm still alive" over and over.


So.. I guess you being alive depends on the premise of your role eventually getting information that changes the game.

[lurker]

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to say something that Amazon said last game, H&H

wolves kill people posting like sanzath
serial killers kill people posting like storn

its about 60% of what he said.

it was vigi not SK
i know because the person who "obviously" got vig killed was me (FUCK YOU BLIND)

[the sun fan]

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it was vigi not SK
i know because the person who "obviously" got vig killed was me (FUCK YOU BLIND)

I know, that's why I said it was about 60% of what he said

[the sun fan]

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@Sunfan

The idea of : "I want town credibility, but I want to remain a ~mysterious~ PR while still convincing you guys that I'm town."

smh

Why not just.. not even claim and work your way up with reads / progression etc. ?

Because I don't have enough time to clear myself from people scumreading me like u and blind who are very persistent and would basically only be convinced by a claim like this.

Like I said, it was a perfect storm, I didn't even think I would be posting anymore tonight, so this is a pleasant