TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

you're twisting this particular post out of context

see these two posts beforehand

I indicated I was switching off of you way before gradiant responded to me saying that he might swap

b r u h

None of this changes anything, the situation is the same regardless of when you hinted these things

The things that matter are

you had both me and Freezin as wolves

your actual SWAP to freezin occurred AFTER Funnygurl voted me

the reason it was Freezin is because Freezin was "winning" against FG

you brought up the CFD/Funnygurl KitB as a reason why you didn't vote me

---the EoD plays out the same

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

to quickly respond: I haven't been too impressed with fg's posting this phase

most of my read on her, if not all of it beforehand, came from haku

then I'm going to force you to evaluate the FG slot this phase, in a more holistic sense

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

I'll admit I was wrong about Haku. I guess in the end they decided that committing to the claim was bad for the long-term, despite Haku's general playstyle

From a wagonomics perspective yesterday's EoD doesn't happen without wolf intervention. The most obvious choice is that this was a defensive maneuver. If town is lynching T/T, the wolves sit back and let it happen. The only time I have ever fucked with a T/T wagon as a wolf is in my first champs game, when I pretended to defend a wolf partner by starting a new wagon, so when that person flipped green later, I was clear.

That is a process that I had to set up an entire day in advance though, not one that you can tie together in the last 30 minutes of the phase without looking crooked

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

by "T/T wagon" I mean "both leading wagons were towns" btw

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Regardless of all that.

Resolve the counterwagon when a wagon flips town. Almost always. That shouldn't be a controversial opinion.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

DBP you got time to read Duk3 and Plop this phase and give me thoughts?

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Sorry guys, I was extremely burnt out yesterday. Been reading up on everything that's happened since the phase started, still need to take a look at EoD again.

final thoughts

not suspicious of psycho anymore

funny is w/e i guess

storn is wierd

fuk dbp

gradiant wrong again

mml super wrong again

Grabbed this mainly for the storn is weird part cause it resonates with how I feel about him. I was pretty convinced there was a wolf between storn and freezin, and was leaning freezin, but ended up being totally wrong so I have no idea anymore. Storn's voting patterns were really weird at the end though and I do want to make sure I read it back.

that was some greasy switching to dabackpack at the end there

lookin @ u fg and storn

switched off of a town to a ? slot

so nah y'all i don't think it's inherently sus

storn you're my town bud atm let's do this

This is just odd, and I think could also point towards dbp's theories of these two possibly being partnered. I don't like FG's comment saying she swapped off town to a ?, if not a wolf she wouldn't have known freezin was town at that time. Them both mentioning storn in different lights back to back feels weird to me, but not sure what to make of it if anything at the moment.

wolf doesn't just basically off themselves the way freezin did

and what do ya know? i was right

I call total bs on this, I've most certainly used it as a tactic in the past as a wolf, I even voted myself which caused people to switch off me.

This is because FG and freezin were almost tied and not everybody had voted yet. There was a real chance either party could have sunk. In this situation wolves either somehow convince people to vote for freezin (unreliable method) or start a CFD onto a brand new person in order to SPLIT OUT the pool of voters that would lynch their partner.

Quoting this cause the split out part was in my mind as I was reading through.

A wolf storn probably would have been able to justifiably vote freezin from the start. Remember, wolves had no way of knowing that I would show up. It's possible storn bussed his partner and expected to swap to freezin LATER but me showing up interrupted that. I'm more likely to believe that storn truly intended to lynch FG here though.

Storn has made so many questionable moves this game, I'm not sure about this. I know he wouldn't have any way of knowing you'd show up but I feel like there's so many possibilities here. FG's slot has been a pretty hot topic, think there's any chance it could have been a maneuver to try to clear himself if funny did flip? I wasn't a fan of

FG
I dont feel good about this, but freezin is town.

Being that confident about someone being town is weird to me, I never feel that sure, plus being sure to avoid a town wagon.

roundbox started suspicion on me early on, and even had a vote on me for a while. But you'll notice he swapped to freezin by the end of it. This is an absolutely ideal wolf maneuver: start a wagon on DBP, get the FG voters to swap to DBP, and then swap back to Freezin to absolutely guarantee a majority NOT on FG. It's a literal bait-and-switch. Him moving to freezin at the end prevents a potential KitB scenario with FG in it. (Because EoD chaos.)

This makes a lot of sense.

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Is there any world where it could be a funny/round/storn situation?

Still have a lot to look at but have to step away to get the kids ready for school then drive AJ to work. Will continue when I get back.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

votecount:
lar (1)- funny
dbp (2)- fatfuck, Duk3
fatfuck (1)- lar
funny (1)- DBP

[fatfuck42]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Gotta head out today, will be back later on in the afternoon.

Don't agree with dap's assessment, mostly because I really really don't see haku/fg as a wolf. In the angel/gradiant/? world, dap's "happy accident" explanation is probably what happened. Then, in the dap/round/? world, dap and round are cleverly bussing each other. If, however, it turns out I've been laughably wrong about fg and she is a wolf then I'd be fairly confident in saying the final team is fg/round/dap.

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

I kinda like dbp's analysis there but then I have a voice in my head repeating itself. that little voice says "fuk dbp", "fuk dbp"

[storn42]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

A wolf storn probably would have been able to justifiably vote freezin from the start. Remember, wolves had no way of knowing that I would show up. It's possible storn bussed his partner and expected to swap to freezin LATER but me showing up interrupted that. I'm more likely to believe that storn truly intended to lynch FG here though.

please read my EoD again and tell me i was ever planning on voting freezing. There is absolutely no world where FG and I are wolves where i adamantly stay off freezing like that. It was L-1 on both wagons, if FG is a wolf SOMEONE would have swapped to the freezin wagon if they were voting FG. Its far more likely that both wolves are on the freezin wagon if FG is a wolf.

[storn42]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

I also dont think FG puts herself that much closer to being lynched by unvoting freezing as a wolf. If she's a wolf then i'm wrong. I didn't think she was a wolf before and i still dont think so.

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

yes, I did believe dabackpack was scum at that point in time
I got cold feet from the CFD, and I wanted to have a viable vote this time since it was going to be pretty much 5-5 freezin/fg at that point in time and me having a random-ass vote on dabackpack was just stupid as hell. the CFD made me think something shady was going in with some potential partner relationship between fg/freezi/storn. freezi had voted storn, so that spew clear earlier thing felt like a possibility

The person I was referring to there wasn't dbp, but freezin. I was asking you if you actually thought freezin was scum there with your vote or if you were just doing something else because the dbp vote didn't seem to be going anywhere.

people were floating me d1 (psycho/xiz), so it's not that far out of the realm of possibility

Again, you're leaving out that I'm bringing up you and dbp as a pair

me and backpack? the fuck are you on about?

There are multiple times now that I've brought you and dbp up as a pair that's gone ignored as you respond to it but only mention dbp or only mention yourself, and as soon as plop does it you keep the two of you together and freak out

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

you're twisting this particular post out of context

see these two posts beforehand





I indicated I was switching off of you way before gradiant responded to me saying that he might swap

b r u h

Those two posts weren't 100% saying you were switching off of dbp though, just that between fg and freezin, you'd vote freezin.