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Re: TWGXXXI - TWGreeD - Game Thread
Charu has pointed out that I am rather subdued this phase, and that's correct, I am.
part of it is school and other commitments, to make it very short, I'm at a time in my life where things are actually going really fucking well for once and I somehow, someway, am not fucking anything up yet. I am reading FFR less than I was as a result, and TWG is part of it.
I don't think my game is seriously hurt, regardless of whatever counterpoint Lar will invariably make to this post. I think I am thinking about the game a rather healthy amount, and honestly, my biggest fault is that I am a coward (sort of like Syhto said) and change my mind due to overthinking.
I feel... good about my position on the game as we stand. Part of it is confidence in certain reads, but part of it is that I feel good, and because I feel good, I feel like I'm playing good.
I still don't know who the wolves are, but what I feel like I do know, is a few towns I'm never lynching.
I have often struggled to read inD. I am never killing him this game. His posts are too good to be a wolf. I do not mean this as a mark against inD. I think there's probably under 5 people in TWG who I think can [consistently] make the points that he has made about some small things like when wv and haku did the thing earlier. I have rarely spoken about how sometimes, when I get an especially good feeling from someone, when I read their posts, I sometimes hear their voice reading the post in my head. Before you commit me to an asylum, I do think that this only happens when I feel like the post is genuine. Its a terrible method that I don't put any stock into, but I put a lot of stock into it historically and I don't think I've been burned on it before because it happens so rarely. The post of "did I just get WV and Haku town from that?" or something like that was the post I heard in his voice. I could be wrong on him being town but honestly, I don't think I can lynch him without mechanical evidence against him at this point.
I think wv isn't likely to do that thing with not reading the op as a wolf. Its... not impossible. But it looks really good. I haven't iso'd him but I wouldn't kill him solely because he appeared to seriously not understand (including bringing it up later which is like a very nice touch if he is a wolf though wolfchat coaching is a thing etc etc) the mechanic of wolf sabotage. I think he's probably town.
I'm a dingus and Charu is town. Claim checks out as far as I can tell. Sorry Charu, that one is my bad.
DBP is playing town in a way that I have high confidence in my meta read. This is probably the weakest one so far, and still it manages to be really strong. The way he questions people is... well, questionable at times, but it is at the same time, vintage DBP town. His... assertions are very... himself as well to be a little vague about something I think I've noticed.
Lastly, and I need to reread her to fully make this read, but I don't think I have seen anything from fg that has made me... afraid of her potentially wolfing this game. Again, I need to read, and I will, to fully assert this read, but based on what I remember, I am not worried about her.
I would kill none of these people without mechanical info against them at this time, which is kind of a ludicrous position to take, I know.
I think there's a couple things I need to touch on to answer some potential questions:
I am not clearing Haku for the earlier mechanics thing. Haku's mind exists on a different temporal plane as I'm sure we all know. I've also made the mistake of... assuming with regards to Hakulyte before and lost a game because of it (albeit it was my own mistake and not anyone elses). I maybe should be. I am not saying that Haku is a wolf. To be honest, aside from maybe Lar, I think he is the towniest person not in my never-kill list. I don't have anything that I L O V E from him yet. I think the answer to his alignment lies within his grouping of neee/manti together even after syhto died, which is an odd line to take, but appears to be a consistent one for Haku. I /think/ Hakulyte is town, I am not locking it in.
Idk, Lar is a buttface basically. He could be really town now. I was recently burned by him in more ways that one, and as I said in the postgame of that turbo, getting slowrolled really, really stings, intentional or not. He is... capable of these emotional outbursts as a wolf, which, if I had to pick something to say about that, I would say that it is impressive that he can summon that spring of emotion upon command. I don't really know what he'd be doing as a wolf here, that's my biggest lack of a case against him; I don't really have anything he's done as wolfy, and regardless of all else, I do think I would have that if he was a wolf.
Aside from that, I don't know how to proceed. I don't know who is a wolf in the remaining group of raeko, roundbox, manti, neee. I also make no mistakes about the game being that simple. I am almost definitely wrong somewhere. But what I do know is, I feel really, really good about the game right now.
I would kill any of those four and... probably be happy as of right now.
I think neee has said words. I think I tend to like neee's style, but it honestly isn't even lacking or anything, I just think other people are higher than him, so its faux POE.
The other three are more real POE. I know there was some pushback to my roundbox vote earlier, I do think that its still a decent place to look.
I would encourage people to tell me where they think I am wrong. You don't even necessarily have to make a compelling case. I know that I can solve this game if I build a wall around the town and make the wolves pay for it. I feel like I am right there.TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
FFR is a pretty good place somehow.Comment
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Re: TWGXXXI - TWGreeD - Game Thread
yes I know I contradict myself on my inD read its meant to be a joke about the insane asylum but w/e
I laughed at it OKTWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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my confidence in Lar being town has waned since typing that post up but w/e
its just one space down now
and its probably not for a good reasonTWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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Re: TWGXXXI - TWGreeD - Game Thread
I actually like inDheart and WV. I'd lock town Charu at this point and assume he's going to eat a night kill at some point. May revisit in late game if still alive somehow.
I wonder if MML was aware about how sabotage works based on what he was saying. I'd tend to town read him for the wrong reasons.
DBP makes me wonder why he got annoyed at me and didn't do well, anything else.
Sunfan makes me wonder if he really didn't knew what was going on or if he knew and pretended to not know. Well, me being confused didn't help. Null ish
I'm fine with Roundbox so far, I don't see anything odd in his posts.
I don't know what to think of FG. I don't really trust my own reads on her too, they're usually wrong.
I would vote Manti and just be like (where raeko ?)Comment
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Re: TWGXXXI - TWGreeD - Game Thread
Sunfan probably town too after reading above wall.Comment
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Re: TWGXXXI - TWGreeD - Game Thread
pretending not to know is something I don't often do. I probably should do it marginally more often, and the real and only reason that I haven't done it is because I thought it was kind of cheap for a long time, but I don't really think that it is quite so low anymore.
part of the game as a wolf is to lie so, I think it was probably wrong of me to have held that stance wrt dumbtells for so long.
but no, I didn't actually know, etc etcTWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
FFR is a pretty good place somehow.Comment
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TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
FFR is a pretty good place somehow.Comment
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Re: TWGXXXI - TWGreeD - Game Thread
Feel the same way.
Got nothing to use against him in terms of pushes. I just don't approve of the way he came in this phase, wolfin' or not.
He's most likely going to shit talk me for saying this too, as if that's gonna suddenly make me go "oh, maybe I shouldn't."
Be a dick, be treated with hostility, big shock, eh?
Originally posted by Vendetta21Comment
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Re: TWGXXXI - TWGreeD - Game Thread
there is something to be said of going high when they go low
there is also something to be said of kicking when they go low
sorry to get political and all (haha)
but both do legitimately have their merits
I do think you might enjoy the game a little bit more by going high though
your leg will get tired if you kick too muchTWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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Sometimes I post before thinking. Probably something I should avoid in the future.Comment
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TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
FFR is a pretty good place somehow.Comment
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Re: TWGXXXI - TWGreeD - Game Thread
Okay, just a warning, phase ends tomorrow night at 1AM, right?
I'm not staying up and feeling like shit again.
Originally posted by Vendetta21Comment
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TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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