TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Iirc didnt he just mention that mason thing recently after it was all said and done?

Yes, he did state recently that he was planning to fake claim mason with Xizas,his partner


Forgetting that Xiz was pushing him when he claim to escape pressure

Shouldn't have to explain the issue here, Freezin. Should be a pretty open/shut case

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Takes on Freezin from last phase:

(cliffnotes on actions)
Votes storn then bolth
focuses on bolth for a bit
unvotes
going for "volume clear" which imo is more of a pain in the ass for town than anything. I hate having to sift through a bunch of BS posts.

he reciprocated my demand for elaboration so i was showing approval by unvoting.

he's still my top wolf make no mistake

probably still bolth IF YOU ASKED ME RIGHT THIS SECOND.

although im about 5 secs away from just hitting the eject button on any post that wasnt made in the last 4 hours

a lot of feinting and squabbling.

If bolth has a problem with this, bolth can talk to me right now

Claims that bolth is still his top wolf lean more than once yet didn't really do anything to push this or get more information out of that slot.

Xiz

Dont really have time to be eloquent so let me give you the dirtiest reads list ever

roundbox - Consistent activity and questioning
mellon_collie - kind of dancing around everywhere but im not suspicious of her yet. Ive made a note of the MML vote dump though
storn42 - Feels too easy
MixMasterLar - Typical MML for now at least.
Bolth mannn - Cooled off of bolth
Xiz - i agree with DBP, alot of his reactions feel exaggerated and iirc this is his wolf tell at least when I played with him
DaBackPack - Eod Hero packback
Hakulyte - I dont kill Haku early unless hes open wolfing or i have a god read, see my previous posts
Gradiant - Gradiant feels townie. Really nothing else i can add, his responses to pressure are nothing out of the ordinary.
psychoangel691 - Came in and cleaned up the slot in my eyes, havnt really gave a ton of thought to her posts but that comes later.
Shadow_God_10 - Asks alot of questions and short comments on a wide range of stuff. Might be fabricated but not worthy of a d0 lynch
fatfuck42 - active and questioning

Then this is just gross, give's the "dirtiest reads list ever" for an excuse to hop on the Xiz wagon that already had two votes on it rather than pushing his wolf lean. Feels like an awful convenient jump from one town to another that had some traction on it.

This phase:

TBH MML its hard for me to tell if your being pedantic and tunneling people who you dont like because its how you play or if your doing it to fake activity and get a free pass during the day as a wolf.

As ive attested to earlier its easy to fake activity by going into a tunnel all day at random people

its been a while since ive played with you but im preeeetty sure you dont always do that so im more suspicious of you than not. Your not fooling me with that schtick

Isn't this kind of the pot calling the kettle black here. You were trying to volume clear yourself all last phase and primarily focused on bolth.

if you were a wolf and you knew bolth was town, yet u made a fake case against him and drummed up fake suspicion, would you want to flush it down the drain on a random kill or would you want to ride it out into the next phase to give yourself someone to go after, especially if he is a new player that you are confident you could outplay?

That was my thinking at least, though i acknowledge it is pretty weak in this case because he was really only scumread by haku so those criteria dont really apply. I think its stretching it to bump down MML and shadow on second thought so i think once i add another filter ill bring them back up.

Wait are you saying that haku was the only to read bolth as wolf when you were reading bolth as wolf? Are you trying to clear yourself here...


On a side note, I see now the posts you made about the bolth kill and the conclusions you're drawing from that to add to why you're placing me in a wolf pile. Though I'd still really love to know how my posts are "hands off"

The reads list felt pretty lazy to me as well, and possibly just more a way to respond to MML calling them out on not really playing the game so far.

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Actually to take it even a step further on this voting. Could've moved the vote on Xiz knowing they were going to hit town and knowing they'd put suspicion on bolth that they could try to use for the next phase. But then when bolth died switched up their game to use it to try to clear those on the Xiz train and using the "why would a wolf fake suspicion on someone than kill them" thing.


Idk maybe that's crazy, but I can't shake something odd being in there.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

So you gonna selectively dig thru my posts and shade me or are you going to put your money where your vote where your mouth is and drop a vote

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

So you gonna selectively dig thru my posts and shade me or are you going to put your money where your vote where your mouth is and drop a vote

How am I selectively digging through your posts? I literally read every one and pointed out things that stood out.

I don't just drop votes, I've only just begun digging, I came in as a sub and hadn't looked at you yet, noted I was going to this phase and now you're mad that I did? You kinda jumped to top of the list to investigate when two confirmed town put you on their wolf list.

Why don't you actually go ahead and explain your actions, instead of trying to make something out of me not dropping a vote.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Anyone who reads thru my posts will see the reputation of almost every point youve brought up here except the really general ones

The only other legit one i see is you dont like how i jumped on xiz suddenly. Well i am know for suddenly changing my mind so ill explain it so you understand it better: i cooled off of bolth and thought dbp's points + what i noticed from xiz at eod justified a vote so i did it.

I really dont think it warrants as much incredulity as you are showing, and i dont think its wolfy either.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Refutation*

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

How am I selectively digging through your posts? I literally read every one and pointed out things that stood out.

I don't just drop votes, I've only just begun digging, I came in as a sub and hadn't looked at you yet, noted I was going to this phase and now you're mad that I did? You kinda jumped to top of the list to investigate when two confirmed town put you on their wolf list.

Why don't you actually go ahead and explain your actions, instead of trying to make something out of me not dropping a vote.

Well all i can say is maybe you should read them better. Off the top of my head i can say that i have a post later where i acknowledge that a volume clear is actually not good for town and resolve to not do it. Im not going to pick through every point you are wrong on because even if i did i doubt youd be satisfied

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Well ill be back about 2 hours from eod though ill try to check in on breaks at work

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

Well all i can say is maybe you should read them better. Off the top of my head i can say that i have a post later where i acknowledge that a volume clear is actually not good for town and resolve to not do it. Im not going to pick through every point you are wrong on because even if i did i doubt youd be satisfied

oh no, I saw that post, and then proceeded to continue to see one-liners from you that really held no value so. I'd thought about quoting that one but didn't, guess I should've to have satisfied you.

I've never played with you, I don't know your tendencies. I'm going to call things as I see them. I brought up things that stood out to me and now I await other player's opinions. If you have a problem with this playstyle well I don't know what to tell you, this is how I play the game.

You won't pick through them all because you've been playing lazily through the game and so far seem to be continuing that trend. I've asked twice why my posts are "hands-off" to you and you still haven't answered me on that either. what's the point in voting me if you're not even going to try to continue with me to get info?

Anyway, as of right now this is going nowhere so unless you've got something you wanna ask me or care to explain some of your actions further there's really no point in continuing this.

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

I took a look back at roundbox since that was a wolf lean from Xiz and one I'd had as well. I liked some of the questionings during EOD and there's been a little more effort I feel like so far this phase, but I'm still a bit weary and would like to hear/interact more before I make any shift in opinion there. It could be an uptick in effort because of the suspicions and them trying to protect themselves.

[storn42]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

hi, im here for like an hour. (would've been on earlier but my computer was making noise so i spent a few hours trouble shooting and trying to fix it, including cleaning my very dusty computer. turns out my fan is dead/dying. luckily i had a spare but that took a few hours) I'll be here for about an hour then effectively gone for the next few (will probably still look at the thread every now and then but no time for extensive posting). after that, im here as long as i can stay awake (hopefully until EoD)

and now for some spicy posts!

[storn42]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

and when i say spicy posts i mean hold on i got a big one cooking

[storn42]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

I'm starting to run out of time for now, I have a birthday party to take the kids to a little later and still need to get ready/buy a gift so I'm going to give a quick hot-take just looking at the votes here.

I didn't really like the sudden swap to Xiz because I'd not noticed a whole lot of heat on him through the game, but I was still in catch up mode so perhaps I missed a bit.
I saw someone mention that it may be all town or mostly made up of town, which I could believe especially with the thought of wolves generally wouldn't want to swap last minute and draw attention to themselves. However, I think there would be at least one that would do it. If I were to pick who right now I'd say Freezin based on our confirmed townies suspicions, I do need to look closer at that spot myself though.
As per the other votes, definitely could be wolves looking for someone they knew wouldn't be flipped to try to keep info low. So lets look at each one:

Haku on bolth: we now know bolth was town, from what I can see there was never really any wagon on them. What I'm not sure if I should take as good or bad is that Haku's vote just stayed on bolth the whole phase. I feel like there's arguments for both sides there.

fatfuck on freezin: This one rubs me the wrong way, was very close to EOD, there was no traction on a freezin lynch for the night only citing "going with their gut" as reasoning. It seems very non-committal to me and possibly even a distancing tactic?

roundbox on shadow: another vote that was just plopped and left on. Also, another person that didn't have any traction on them as being a lynch for the night so I'd put this as another odd one.

MML on Mellon: I kinda get this one with the last interactions they were having, I still don't love it but MML is currently on my town list too so we'll see where it goes.

Mellon on MML: retaliation vote, could go either way really.

shadow on storn: storn was the biggest wagon for the evening so I can't really give too much shit for shadow still being on them at EOD.

And I guess I should probably just go ahead and talk about mine since I'm sure it'll come up at some point. As much as I wasn't loving storn, I also didn't like how many people seemed totally okay with lynching him. I'm sure there had to be at least one wolf in there somewhere. I also had my suspicions on rounbox as it were (I can pull the quotes back up if needed) and when Xiz (one of my town leans) also mentioned noticing the same things it made me feel a little more confident in my thought process on it. I never would have swapped to Xiz that phase.

That's about all I can get into for right now, I'll try to peek in on my phone throughout the day and later this evening can dig into more stuff.

I alluded to my dislike of psycho but never explained why. I think this post is complete BS and that of wolf creation. This feels like throwing about a lot of breadcrumbs to come back to later to justify lynching a towny more than hunting for wolves. didn't seem to be drawing any conclusions and feels almost low effort content. Or perhaps it felt like a very convoluted reads list that didn't really add anything.

not mentioned in that specific post but, you also seem to have this vauge wishy-washy town-wolf read on me. which again feels less like a read and more like "dont suspect me when we decide to lynch storn and he flips town"
Either think im a wolf or think im town, you seem far too uncommitted to your reads and it really rubs me the wrong way.

The one conclusion you seemed to come to was that you didn't like freezin and that was you sheeping town (as you yourself admitted). So why not answer some of those questions you asked when making this post. what about freezin was scummy? Why is freezin the scummy one and not me or gradiant? why did freezin jump on the xiz wagon instead of mine? Do you or dont you think im a wolf? who do you actually think is scummy?

I wanna look at that last part again, since you call sus to atleast 4 different people in that one post. you call freezing sus, you call plop sus, and even think it might be distancing (which sounds like you should have a stronger scum read on freezin than "well town thinks hes sus") you call RB scum, you did cote for him after all (and i still dont like that wagon) you throw shade at MML but site your reads list as why it doesn't matter, and you sus me too. you also have nulls on reako and haku, and that just feels like you have no where near enough towns and FAR FAR too many wolves. this once again leads back to, your throwing breadcrumbs to see which wagons you can hop on while not making many stances, and ultimately make NO CONCLUSIONS.

Also you seem to clear shadow by stating how he was on the biggest wagon. so why not look at the other votes and where they moved from. since this post seems to only care about the final vote, where there were tons of vote shifts in the last 5-10 minutes. and BTW didn't you say there were likely wolves on my wagon since there were so many people hopping on? does he not get suspicion for that?

to come to A CONCLUSION: psycho

reminder that Duk3star is still in hot water. consider yourself having a ghostly vote from me.

also i'll state it again i think this is a psycho/shado(duk3star)/reako world, or potentially psycho/shado(duk3star)/roundbox world.

[storn42]

Re: TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

and just to reinforce this: we are NOT lynching anyone on the xiz wagon today. I think we need to look elsewhere.