TWG CV: Christmas in the clink

[Riotpolice]

Re: TWG CV: Christmas in the clink

Second of all, I like how the town is thinking so far regarding partners who claim a mutual trust, yet both claim to have gotten nothing. This was the thing I was withholding mention of in my updated info center post, but now that only one pair remains (that of RSD and our dearly departed clasko) I doubt it will hurt anything; it was probably already evident from the "unlikely trusters" thing I added. Unlikely trusters should definitely be in a preferential lynch pool, perhaps even more than those who claim a major power, depending on the situation. See V@12 for why. Although I'm pretty sure it's actually a 25% chance, the fact still stands that these claimers are more likely to be lying, and it's way too easy of a cover for a scheming wolf.

If what you are suggesting is that one of the trusters on both ends got power and lied about not getting it, I'll be the first one right now to say that I got nothing. I'm gonna do anything to prove my green in this game, anything inside the boundaries of the rules just so I can keep going. If D2 or D3 the community decides to lynch me, or even D1: right now, I'm not going to NOT recommend lynching me of course (because EVERYBODY is a wolf, right? I mean that nobody is going to be proven unless if they have a power which I myself don't have) but I'll just say I hope my death can help the community in finding the wolves by bringing the human numbers lower and increasing the chances of us finding them. Don't really care if this post looks wolfy towards me, it's my first time being green and this is what you got coming from greeny Riot.

[Riotpolice]

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FYI, In the future, i'll keep smashing that trust button against any person I do not think is a wolf, I've got nothing to hide. If given a power, I won't hesitate to "hide" it like Manti.

[j-rodd123]

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Since this is an NOC game, my gut is stuck on "Lynch All Liars" and says that jrodd needs to be lynched, and then there's Tokzic@164. But I think I see why suspicion of him has died down for others. I may be wrong, but I'm not sure what valid reasons a human would have for a con like his; thinking critically about this though, this is still a very mysterious mystery game, so I'm going ease off jrodd for now, as the probability that I am wrong is reasonably high. Another thing I want to note is that, by revealing, he's taken his partner, TPS, out of the "unlikely trusters" lynch pool. I could see how this could be taken as a pro-town move by giving us a narrower set of targets. Food for thought indeed, but there's always the possibility that TPS is his wolf buddy and this is a distancing play designed to head off any further suspicion of TPS - who I know to be very dangerous as a wolf. I will remain vigilant.

One last thing @jrodd himself. With your "can't die" post, are you claiming Lynchproof?

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you see this is the problem with having a stubborn mindset and trying this theoretical lynch all liars thing in a nonstandard game, is it advantageous? you surely can't claim yes to this. i mean look at the circumstances, the lie was so i had more control over night phases and hopefully get more powers. There was a plan relayed to the thread that sort of got rid of the trust/betray prisoner's dilemma and we are following a roadmap so i didn't have to keep pretending. i could have easily not said anything, but i wanted the thread to know i have a power - yes it is lynchproof.

who thinks my play is from a wolf perspective? i mean realllllly think about it, what is wolfy about it? if you're set on this i hope you feel you're really forcing a lot of reasoning out in your post since it will all be wrong

also including yourself but at the bottom of the list so early is not the best look from ppl i've seen do similar

[j-rodd123]

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if anything you shouldn't be set on lynch all liars in a game where lying can help a human if they want to gain a power if they're paired up against someone sketchy, really think about it dude, or go read your mafiascum textbook that sounds like a lot of fun too

[j-rodd123]

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and jeez people i dont have a million motives for the things i did

i wasnt planning on lying then claim i was lying. it's not some sort of lame psychological thing, i lied to try and have more influence in the night, and told the thread when my past nights wouldnt matter anymore due to the plan we're going to do, and now you know im lynchproof

keep picking away i've never been mislynched ever on this site (except the one time when it was 2 votes and no one was at eod because worst inactivity ever) so we'll see if you tunnel hard or reach higher brooooooo

[dAnceguy117]

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reading the mafiascum textbook actually is fun tho...........

also in my last post I (mis)used "gambit" as a verb I wanna edit that so badly hnggg




jrodd why didn't you wait it out after receiving a couple votes? I think what you said to trying to do by getting a wagon on yourself would have been a good move. why'd you back off so quickly?

anyone wanna put jrodd at the # of votes to insta and see what happens?

[j-rodd123]

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reading the mafiascum textbook actually is fun tho...........

also in my last post I (mis)used "gambit" as a verb I wanna edit that so badly hnggg




jrodd why didn't you wait it out after receiving a couple votes? I think what you said to trying to do by getting a wagon on yourself would have been a good move. why'd you back off so quickly?

anyone wanna put jrodd at the # of votes to insta and see what happens?

shoulda, woulda, coulda, but didn't. also i was tired and grumpy so V pissed me off and i didn't wanna end up being the only one focused on.

you can put me at insta, it wouldn't do anything besides show im telling the truth (for once) so idc if you think youll get something out of it

[DarkManticoreX2]

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And the second-to-last sentence just seems kind of weaselly to me. It seems to suggest that there's something inherently wrong with the idea that you and Gradiant are wolves, which there isn't. It's a possibility that needs to be considered like anything else.

I was pointing out a theory based off of N1 dilemma results isn't going to accomplish much because wolves/humans were all in the same boat. The option to plan as a wolf simply wasn't there, so developing some type of theory off of it is logically flawed.

You're a player in this game however, so you're free to think what you want. If you want to think Gradiant and I are wolves together go for it. Just don't back it up with bad logic.

FYI, In the future, i'll keep smashing that trust button against any person I do not think is a wolf, I've got nothing to hide. If given a power, I won't hesitate to "hide" it like Manti.

? Pretty sure I disclosed my power.

[mellonxcollie]

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Just so y'all know I didn't vote for Jrodd because he lied. I voted Jrodd because of how he acted after he was called out on his lie. I get being in a grumpy mood, but he acted very aggressively toward all four people who challenged him, and I think that is more telling than the lie itself.

[Riotpolice]

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Sorry there manti, I was thinking you hid your power. Like usual, I didn't reread the thread and made a bad post via "-information-riot-likes-to-sometimes-think-he-knows-but-doesn't" . So let me make this:

*I won't hesitate it to "hide it like Jrodd.

[Charu]

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Lame psychological thing? I really wouldn't call it lame, more like I'm thinking you're doing this so you can appear really human.

I say again. I agree with there being no reason to lie, but because of that, saying you lied in here and not just keeping it a secret raised some suspicion on what you're trying to accomplish with such a weird move. I mean, if your intent on publicly lying was just because you want to gauge people's reaction, then mellon has pretty much already stated how it was weird you defended aggressively when people called you out on your play.

I am really thinking about it, j-rodd, and what I'm thinking is you're publicly stating you're lying so you can plant the idea in people that a "wolf would never willingly do this on day 1".

If I'm wrong, then I really don't see what your ultimate goal is with your move. That's just really what I truly saw. I still think if you said nothing of the sort, no one would be the wiser and this discussion and people calling you out wouldn't be happening.

[dAnceguy117]

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can we stop wasting time by only talking about someone who has claimed lynchproof for this phase please

[Tps222]

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danceguy

you're playing the human advocate really well, but it is coming across as intentional. the post above only highlights the gut feeling I've had with your posts. Seemingly human-sounding rhetoric that doesn't actually accomplish anything.

dunno, but I'm not trying to get lynched.

That is the Dancey's Modus Operandi.

[j-rodd123]

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Lame psychological thing? I really wouldn't call it lame, more like I'm thinking you're doing this so you can appear really human.

I say again. I agree with there being no reason to lie, but because of that, saying you lied in here and not just keeping it a secret raised some suspicion on what you're trying to accomplish with such a weird move. I mean, if your intent on publicly lying was just because you want to gauge people's reaction, then mellon has pretty much already stated how it was weird you defended aggressively when people called you out on your play.

I am really thinking about it, j-rodd, and what I'm thinking is you're publicly stating you're lying so you can plant the idea in people that a "wolf would never willingly do this on day 1".

If I'm wrong, then I really don't see what your ultimate goal is with your move. That's just really what I truly saw. I still think if you said nothing of the sort, no one would be the wiser and this discussion and people calling you out wouldn't be happening.

i dont have an ultimate goal lol, i could have said nothing but i let people know i have a power. i dont see the problem

[j-rodd123]

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Just so y'all know I didn't vote for Jrodd because he lied. I voted Jrodd because of how he acted after he was called out on his lie. I get being in a grumpy mood, but he acted very aggressively toward all four people who challenged him, and I think that is more telling than the lie itself.

i didnt act very aggressively toward everyone who challenged me, guest the first one who did i made a sarcastic remark because it was obvious i was claiming i have a power. i even said i think he was human. i thought your way was wolfy, including how you eventually got to thinking im human but your vote remains and now it's back to being "more telling" which is just lazy imo. you can't lynch me today get owned