jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

[Gradiant]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Gradiant (4): Riot, Lurker, tiloco, stinger

This list looks pretty great though, nice job guys lmao

[tiloco217]

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So starting with Gradiant - Thanks for all of the analysis on all of the points that I corrected you on. Even if you had those ideas before hand (which I am pretty sure you didn't) why hasn't your opinion changed at all now that I have disputed almost all of your accusations? What do you think about choof actually forcing riot to claim as apposed to my suggestions? I am pretty sure you still haven't posted a reads list so that would be good too.

Now the 4 votes on Gradiant was kind of scary initially but riot is practically confirmed and I like lurker quite a bit for remaining pretty serious during the more active portions of the day which I don't really see a reason for him to do as wolf. However I am not a fan of GS and the fact that nobody is really defending Gradiant or at least going against me is kind of worrying, especially since GS mentioned that he wanted to accuse me and then moving on to Gradiant after lurker piped up (I could be wrong about this order so correct me if needed). There are definitely still worlds where Gradiant is mafia (such as Gradiant/Charu, Gradiant/Zenith, Gradiant/ CK) and I still think Gradiant is more scummy then GS so I am going to stay on him for now.

Riot is practically confirmed now (If there is another jailor you 100% should cc because getting a red check as the jailor is the best you can hope for). Since I am assuming there isn't another jailor you should go more in depth on your reads list because we know it is coming from a town's perspective.

Choof is remaining rather neutral in my opinion which is kind of concerning. He didn't really take a stance on zenith and instead coached him (which isn't an issue in it's own right but I would like at least a lean). He pushed riot to out his role without giving a real opinion on him (although I did get a vibe that he thought riot was mafia) and then he lists 4 people and says there is a mafia in there and it was just the quietest people in the game so that is a very stock read. All of these things I brought up have a very easy to see counter-argument or reason why he did it so I don't really want to push him today but he is back on my radar.

I am going to put zenith in my town list for now. I liked his "woe is me" mentality (that doesn't mean it is good play btw). I think it would be pretty hard for him to successfully fake especially since he didn't go overboard with it. I would like an updated reads list from him now since quite a few of his reads were based off of riot being mafia.

I am pretty sure that there are more things that I wanted to say that I just can't remember right now. I am going to go back through the last few pages because I only skimmed them so I should be around to answer questions pretty frequently if anyone shows up

[tiloco217]

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So starting with Gradiant - Thanks for all of the analysis on all of the points that I corrected you on. Even if you had those ideas before hand (which I am pretty sure you didn't) why hasn't your opinion changed at all now that I have disputed almost all of your accusations? What do you think about choof actually forcing riot to claim as apposed to my suggestions? I am pretty sure you still haven't posted a reads list so that would be good too.

Now the 4 votes on Gradiant was kind of scary initially but riot is practically confirmed and I like lurker quite a bit for remaining pretty serious during the more active portions of the day which I don't really see a reason for him to do as wolf. However I am not a fan of GS and the fact that nobody is really defending Gradiant or at least going against me is kind of worrying, especially since GS mentioned that he wanted to accuse me and then moving on to Gradiant after lurker piped up (I could be wrong about this order so correct me if needed). There are definitely still worlds where Gradiant is mafia (such as Gradiant/Charu, Gradiant/Zenith, Gradiant/ CK) and I still think Gradiant is more scummy then GS so I am going to stay on him for now.

Riot is practically confirmed now (If there is another jailor you 100% should cc because getting a red check as the jailor is the best you can hope for). Since I am assuming there isn't another jailor you should go more in depth on your reads list because we know it is coming from a town's perspective.

Choof is remaining rather neutral in my opinion which is kind of concerning. He didn't really take a stance on zenith and instead coached him (which isn't an issue in it's own right but I would like at least a lean). He pushed riot to out his role without giving a real opinion on him (although I did get a vibe that he thought riot was mafia) and then he lists 4 people and says there is a mafia in there and it was just the quietest people in the game so that is a very stock read. All of these things I brought up have a very easy to see counter-argument or reason why he did it so I don't really want to push him today but he is back on my radar.

I am going to put zenith in my town list for now. I liked his "woe is me" mentality (that doesn't mean it is good play btw). I think it would be pretty hard for him to successfully fake especially since he didn't go overboard with it. I would like an updated reads list from him now since quite a few of his reads were based off of riot being mafia.

I am pretty sure that there are more things that I wanted to say that I just can't remember right now. I am going to go back through the last few pages because I only skimmed them so I should be around to answer questions pretty frequently if anyone shows up

[tiloco217]

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Sorry for that becoming a bit of a stream of thought.

the tl;dr of it is
Gradient's still mafia
riot's town
choof is back on my radar
zenith is probably town

[tiloco217]

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actually in my skimming it looks like I missed the rest of the post that choof made with the 4 lurkers with a mafia in them. He actually gave quite a few strong opinions in that post so I think I am going to put him back in my town leans. whoops

Also I wanted to mention that I liked lurker defending against policy lynches and I didn't like charu's reaction to lurker doing that. I think lurker is making the game way harder for himself with the way he is playing if he were mafia. Charu's reaction was just a lot more serious then I was expecting. He seems to be the type of person that normally wouldn't care if someone called him out.

[_Zenith_]

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Morning; just saying a general thought in here, I'm not liking how quiet Cold Kitten is. The posts so far seem so lazy and not based around reading what has happened thus far besides the whole "Riot had to hardclaim because he got baited in a fake role that choof claimed".

@Tiloco, my reads list now would be scattered as I tend to try focusing on what person with intensity (like tunneling them and constantly re-reading posts from said person). I could give out my most suspect list at this given moment.

[tiloco217]

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just give me whatever you have

[choof]

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cold kite

[_Zenith_]

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obv I have to read what I've missed but honestly with how awful ffr is running, reading the thread has gone from being fun to being a chore

I couldn't agree with this more.

My current suspect list is sitting from most likely to slightly is:

Gradiant
Cold Kitten
Tiloco
Lurker

Gradiant - I really didn't like how he handled being at L-1. His posts got less and less meaningful as he approached it and now he questioned lurker for removing his vote as if he wanted to actually get lynched.

Cold Kitten - Just mentioned, hasn't put much if at all effort into her posts so far (yes site was being slow but that's still no excuse as some of us DID take the unnecessary time to conduct a full reads list). I could switch her and Gradiant between each other as my two most suspects.

Tiloco - I honestly see you a null-green but I mean, if Gradiant is lynched today and flips red, I'd have to put you in green but if he is JUST a VT then you're more suspect than he'd be. Gradiant built a pretty well organized case against you and where I keep reading between that and your recent posts, I'm getting conflicting theories in my head.

Lurker - Offlier chance that he could be a wolf. My reasoning would be similar to mine against Cold Kitten but lurker actually constructed a well organized read list but where he sits with everyone in the null-pool; cannot remove him as a potential suspect.

[choof]

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I actually liked how Gradiant reacted to L-1 rofl, that post he made where he quoted the vote count was a really nice catch, and his reaction to lurker feels like it came from town

tiloco and lurker are both still null reads, they're actively lurking but that doesnt really say anything to put them in a strong light

I honestly agree with your thoughts on ck

[choof]

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I actually liked how Gradiant reacted to L-1 rofl, that post he made where he quoted the vote count was a really nice catch, and his reaction to lurker feels like it came from town

tiloco and lurker are both still null reads, they're actively lurking but that doesnt really say anything to put them in a strong light

I honestly agree with your thoughts on ck

[lurker]

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So you kept a vote on me because you thought it was EOD? If you thought I was a wolf enough for you to act that way, you should have no problem keeping it there.

It was less to save you and more to save the rest of the phase. I still think we could get more out of this phase like, I don't know, CK actually talking. I'm still voting you closer to the ACTUAL EoD, though.

[tiloco217]

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Gotta watch out for the casual instas

[Cold Kitten]

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sorry i have a life guys. i don't have much planned today, i'll try and read through the thread again and give some reads.

[_Zenith_]

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sorry i have a life guys. i don't have much planned today, i'll try and read through the thread again and give some reads.

LMFAO

Don't use "I have a life" as to why you aren't posting. I'm calling you out on the posts you have made so far, not your inactivity.

That's literally almost as bad as me going "I'm a VT" repeatedly when I wasn't in trouble to begin with.