TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

[tupacodaman]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

whoops mean panda

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

contradiction?

Ironically, manti flopped around in the same situation. First saying the illogical "seer should come out to first green and green should publicly kill themselves to get the seer with the psychic", then changing over to "seer should reveal themselves to a seer'd green to tell if they find a red" and he also went with "seer should come out to a seer'd greem to tell who he has seer'd green". The only one of these ideas that makes sense at all is having the seer reveal himself to catch a red, but a good player could likely get that one person lynched without revealing themselves as the seer.

I will say that I'm not opposed to lynching tupac, but if manti is going to be lynched, I feel like it needs to be done earlier than some of you would like, before the players are pared down to only those with too little confidence to be willing to vote for the great and wonderful manti.

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

^ 100000000000000000000000000000000000%

[u84]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

Don't know enough to make a valid vote. Will be more active this coming week. Safety on Ruritsu.

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

It seems you've all forgot that the person the seer comes out to doesn't have to believe him. If you all want to play the statistics game then consider that a wolf would have a 1/6th chance of coming out to a blue and exposing himself. Hey, with odds like that, I'd do it! Considering that the seer or the psychic could be dead, who wouldn't?

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

manti

I'll vote for tupac instead if someone asks me to.

[u84]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

When does voting end, because I don't think insta is gonna save me of a phantom this time. In the mean time, safety on U84.

Wow, what a coincidence. Eye for an eye?

[u84]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

manti

I'll vote for tupac instead if someone asks me to.

Stop being invisible! God, I need a subscription again..

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

I'm not subscribed.

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

Don't know enough to make a valid vote.

You people really suck at understanding this game.

"Don't know enough" is basically the mantra of being in the uninformed majority (i.e., townsperson, green, human). The point is to overcome the lack of innate knowledge using social engineering, logic, etc.

Also sc979, glad to see some effort on your part, but I want to see something from you that sets you apart. Something that's not parroted. Avoiding adding new things by repeating things that have already been said and agreeing with everyone is a very not-human thing to do.

[clarinet89]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

Sorry for my slight inactivity this weekend guys. I was busy.

To be honest, I don't really think either afro or manti are wolves. I think they are both aggressive players and happened to butt heads and will not find a middle ground. That's how I see it. I trust that the seer will make the right decision when the time comes to act.

That being said, I didn't get to talk to many people this weekend and so I'm going to have to safety emerald.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

For those of you that missed the chat tonight here you go. I tried to keep it focused to get it away from all this safety garbage we're doing but it didn't seem to work.

DarkManticoreX2 (10:02:40 PM) has entered the room.
Invitation result for buddy emeral3x0 : emeral3x0 is not available.
Sam97379 (10:02:55 PM) has entered the room.
DarkManticoreX2 (10:03:02 PM): hey sc
Sam97379 (10:03:07 PM): hey
DarkManticoreX2 (10:03:33 PM): trying to get a chat going we need to get something done
DarkManticoreX2 (10:03:46 PM): eight way safety fest is stupid
Sam97379 (10:05:13 PM): you've already invited everyone else?
DarkManticoreX2 (10:05:25 PM): a2p ruritsu tupac and u84
DarkManticoreX2 (10:05:51 PM): ah missed emerald
DarkManticoreX2 (10:05:58 PM): how do i invite additional
emerald3x0 (10:06:11 PM) has been invited.
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Sam97379 (10:06:26 PM): hm
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DarkManticoreX2 (10:06:41 PM): yay 2/6
emerald3x0 (10:06:42 PM) has entered the room.
emerald3x0 (10:06:42 PM): hey
DarkManticoreX2 (10:06:48 PM): yay3/7
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Awesome Lamer (10:07:05 PM): Alright evil council how do we kill batman
emerald3x0 (10:07:13 PM) has been invited.
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DarkManticoreX2 (10:07:27 PM): no jokes we need to be serious
Awesome Lamer (10:07:32 PM): Okay.
DarkManticoreX2 (10:07:34 PM): eight way tie is stupid
Awesome Lamer (10:07:35 PM): Manti
Awesome Lamer (10:07:55 PM): Your alliance plan isn't the worst
tupacodaman (10:07:56 PM) has entered the room.
emerald3x0 (10:07:58 PM): you sent a chat invite to everybody?
tupacodaman (10:08:00 PM): sorry, in band practice
tupacodaman (10:08:01 PM): brb
Awesome Lamer (10:08:14 PM): but your apathy towards the risks concern me
tupacodaman (10:08:18 PM): bbl*
emerald3x0 (10:08:38 PM): reward > risk
emerald3x0 (10:08:46 PM): in my opinion at least
DarkManticoreX2 (10:08:48 PM): it's like poker to relate to you game
DarkManticoreX2 (10:09:02 PM): you don't plce a risk unless you have lots to gain
emerald3x0 (10:09:11 PM): pot odds FTW!
DarkManticoreX2 (10:09:12 PM): to make those gains you have to take risks
Awesome Lamer (10:09:25 PM): well of course
DarkManticoreX2 (10:09:33 PM): yeah waiting on ruritsu nd u84 emerald
Awesome Lamer (10:09:35 PM): but you dont take a huge risk with a ****ty hand most of the time either
Awesome Lamer (10:09:39 PM): like
Awesome Lamer (10:09:45 PM): if you hit bottom pair
Awesome Lamer (10:09:52 PM): and you think someone has something way better
Awesome Lamer (10:09:56 PM): and they bet
Awesome Lamer (10:10:03 PM): you're not gonna risk a lot of money with that right
Awesome Lamer (10:10:08 PM): same with this game
Awesome Lamer (10:10:11 PM): ALTHOUGH
Awesome Lamer (10:10:15 PM): the risk got lesser
Awesome Lamer (10:10:18 PM): if we use seered wolves
emerald3x0 (10:10:23 PM): we have a 91% chance to win
DarkManticoreX2 (10:10:29 PM): getting seer info right now would increase our chances of hitting a wolf from <10% to 33% even if we havent hit a wolf
DarkManticoreX2 (10:11:53 PM): this is assuming the seer has hit two greens and no wolves
DarkManticoreX2 (10:12:15 PM): and the person he seered night 1 hasn't been wolved or lynched
emerald3x0 (10:12:43 PM): it is in any case a good raise
DarkManticoreX2 (10:13:22 PM): actually im wrong with <10%
emerald3x0 (10:13:55 PM): ?
DarkManticoreX2 (10:14:09 PM): its <10% for one wolf
emerald3x0 (10:14:29 PM): oh right hahahaha
DarkManticoreX2 (10:14:41 PM): increaes from 28% to 33%
DarkManticoreX2 (10:14:59 PM): its not as obvious a bonus like that
DarkManticoreX2 (10:15:00 PM): =/
emerald3x0 (10:15:03 PM): mathematically
emerald3x0 (10:15:14 PM): but helps to deduce too
DarkManticoreX2 (10:15:20 PM): yeah
DarkManticoreX2 (10:15:25 PM): but anyway
emerald3x0 (10:15:29 PM): two seered greens can't be wolfs buddies, etc...
DarkManticoreX2 (10:15:37 PM): i want to hear lynch suspects from everyone
DarkManticoreX2 (10:15:38 PM): go
emerald3x0 (10:16:10 PM): afro for me, I guess I have talked enough to you manti to know why
DarkManticoreX2 (10:16:50 PM): you cna post more then one if you have more suspects btw
Awesome Lamer (10:17:05 PM): tbh I'm kinda wondering why you would push this plan for so much...but it's a pretty bad reason for doing so
Awesome Lamer (10:17:10 PM): *at manti
emerald3x0 (10:17:18 PM): good plan?
Awesome Lamer (10:17:26 PM): another dude im suspicious off is panda
DarkManticoreX2 (10:17:53 PM): its a good plan a2p, but the seer and the psychic are going to do what they want
DarkManticoreX2 (10:18:17 PM): i don't want this disscusion ending up in a debate about what the seer and psychic are going to do
DarkManticoreX2 (10:18:21 PM): we need to make progress
Awesome Lamer (10:18:49 PM): Yeah
Awesome Lamer (10:19:17 PM): my only good choice right now is panda right now
DarkManticoreX2 (10:19:18 PM): why panda
Awesome Lamer (10:19:30 PM): sully was quiet in the beginning
Awesome Lamer (10:19:40 PM): and I put him as a suspect on d1 for that
Awesome Lamer (10:19:45 PM): and then he gets switched out
DarkManticoreX2 (10:19:59 PM): thats more typical human behavior
DarkManticoreX2 (10:20:05 PM): tbh
emerald3x0 (10:20:07 PM): I don't remember sully being active in any of his games...
emerald3x0 (10:20:10 PM): and that
u8477 (10:20:14 PM) has been invited.
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u84 77 (10:20:29 PM): Hey
emerald3x0 (10:20:35 PM): so yeah we lynch u84
emerald3x0 (10:20:38 PM): ho...
emerald3x0 (10:20:41 PM): hi...
DarkManticoreX2 (10:20:47 PM): hey u84
u84 77 (10:21:00 PM): Sorry I've been so inactive, waited until last second to write massive amounts of homework
DarkManticoreX2 (10:21:11 PM): procrastination
u84 77 (10:21:17 PM): at its finest
DarkManticoreX2 (10:21:18 PM): back to twg
DarkManticoreX2 (10:21:31 PM): a2p was going over why he's suspicious of panda
u84 77 (10:21:39 PM): recap?
DarkManticoreX2 (10:21:58 PM): 
Awesome Lamer (10:19:30 PM): sully was quiet in the beginning

Awesome Lamer (10:19:40 PM): and I put him as a suspect on d1 for that

Awesome Lamer (10:19:45 PM): and then he gets switched out
DarkManticoreX2 (10:22:18 PM): was there more to that a2p/
DarkManticoreX2 (10:22:20 PM): ?
Awesome Lamer (10:22:23 PM): no
Awesome Lamer (10:22:31 PM): I dont wanna say afro
DarkManticoreX2 (10:22:41 PM): dont have to
Awesome Lamer (10:22:45 PM): then I wont
DarkManticoreX2 (10:22:50 PM): make your own decisions and tand by them
DarkManticoreX2 (10:23:01 PM): thats how you become a good twger
DarkManticoreX2 (10:23:13 PM): sc
DarkManticoreX2 (10:23:16 PM): your next
u84 77 (10:23:21 PM): *you're
emerald3x0 (10:23:26 PM): *shots*
DarkManticoreX2 (10:23:28 PM): shut it
u84 77 (10:23:30 PM): lol
Awesome Lamer (10:23:41 PM): U84 IS A WOLF!!!!!
u84 77 (10:24:04 PM): I have nothing witty to say to that
Sam97379 (10:24:10 PM): I've already answered the question in the thread..
Sam97379 (10:24:31 PM): haven't come up with anything new
DarkManticoreX2 (10:24:42 PM): you did not place a vote on anyone so far
DarkManticoreX2 (10:24:47 PM): to my knowledge
DarkManticoreX2 (10:25:02 PM): you have to have suspicions on someone
DarkManticoreX2 (10:25:28 PM): oh you have a safety
Sam97379 (10:25:30 PM): I did say that I wouldn't be surprised if either you or afro were a wolf
Sam97379 (10:25:42 PM): but I'm leaning towards you both being human right now...
DarkManticoreX2 (10:25:49 PM): then make a stand about someone
DarkManticoreX2 (10:25:52 PM): -.-
DarkManticoreX2 (10:26:04 PM): you cant be taking the game seriously if you have no suspicions
Awesome Lamer (10:26:11 PM): RISE ABOVE THE CROWD SAM!
Awesome Lamer (10:26:13 PM): Like I did
Awesome Lamer (10:26:23 PM): with me talkin **** about manti directly in his face
Awesome Lamer (10:26:24 PM): being
Awesome Lamer (10:26:31 PM): Ya i think ur a wolf but im not sure
Awesome Lamer (10:26:33 PM): 
DarkManticoreX2 (10:27:01 PM): if you think im a wolf say it. I'm not going to castrate you
u84 77 (10:27:07 PM): i might
Awesome Lamer (10:27:15 PM): u84 what about you man
Awesome Lamer (10:27:19 PM): whats your stand on this
u84 77 (10:27:27 PM): on any specific person
u84 77 (10:27:29 PM): ?
Awesome Lamer (10:27:32 PM): yeah man
u84 77 (10:27:49 PM): I don't really know. I only got to talk to a few people.
u84 77 (10:27:58 PM): Don't worry, after tonight, I will be much more active.
Awesome Lamer (10:28:04 PM): well what info did you dig from them?
Awesome Lamer (10:28:07 PM): any at all?
Sam97379 (10:28:26 PM): the only person who voted that had any sort of actual reasoning was afro
Awesome Lamer (10:28:34 PM): because someone said that they've taked to you u84
u84 77 (10:28:34 PM): But I talked to Ruritsu and he seems rather eager to learn everyone's role
Awesome Lamer (10:28:46 PM): that's p. normal
u84 77 (10:28:49 PM): yeah
u84 77 (10:29:00 PM): hmm.. I talked to someone else, I swear
Awesome Lamer (10:29:01 PM): it could be a human just curious
Awesome Lamer (10:29:37 PM): the seer digging info from people
Awesome Lamer (10:29:38 PM): or a wolf trying to find seer
Awesome Lamer (10:29:38 PM): so we dont know
u84 77 (10:29:38 PM): I always try to tell him I'm a role not listen in the initial post.
u84 77 (10:29:44 PM): gets him going good.
u84 77 (10:29:51 PM): anyways, uhh.
u84 77 (10:30:24 PM): Yeah I got nothing else.
u84 77 (10:30:37 PM): Other than that Afro talks a lot of **** about game strategy.
Awesome Lamer (10:30:43 PM): thats afro for ya
Awesome Lamer (10:30:45 PM): anyways
Awesome Lamer (10:30:47 PM): back to manto
Awesome Lamer (10:30:49 PM): manti
u84 77 (10:31:00 PM): yeah he's wolf
u84 77 (10:31:04 PM): i mean..
DarkManticoreX2 (10:31:07 PM): =p
DarkManticoreX2 (10:31:27 PM): we need to get some type of consensus on something
Awesome Lamer (10:31:37 PM): the reason why I suspect you is because you dont seem to care if the humans lose through the seer alliance plan
Sam97379 (10:31:39 PM): what do you think manti?
DarkManticoreX2 (10:31:52 PM): about what sc
Awesome Lamer (10:31:54 PM): "oh yeah this plan's good and if we get mw and humans lose oh well XD!"
Sam97379 (10:31:58 PM): who to lynch
DarkManticoreX2 (10:32:11 PM): i care about if they seer the mw
DarkManticoreX2 (10:32:26 PM): ill offer you another poker anaolgy a2p
emerald3x0 (10:32:34 PM): if you are going to suspect someone because of that, you got to suspect me too then A2P
DarkManticoreX2 (10:32:39 PM): would you go all in if you had a 91% chance of winning
Awesome Lamer (10:32:52 PM): when
u84 77 (10:33:02 PM): I think his meaning was more along the lines of "The risk of human annialation is so low and that the alliance formation would be much greater than if the seer was alive and quiet.
DarkManticoreX2 (10:33:10 PM): in a poker game
Awesome Lamer (10:33:22 PM): I know but like
DarkManticoreX2 (10:33:22 PM): at any time
Sam97379 (10:33:32 PM): even if the alliance does get set up, it's not a guaranteed win though
Awesome Lamer (10:33:34 PM): you cant know for certain your odds with your cards
Awesome Lamer (10:33:39 PM): it's all about how people act
Awesome Lamer (10:33:46 PM): with betting, raising, etc.
u84 77 (10:34:03 PM): Well that's why you also take into account the people you consider telling 
DarkManticoreX2 (10:34:08 PM): you're dodging the question
DarkManticoreX2 (10:34:12 PM): if you were told
DarkManticoreX2 (10:34:15 PM): straight up
DarkManticoreX2 (10:34:24 PM): your odds of winning the hand were 91%
DarkManticoreX2 (10:34:29 PM): would you go all in
Awesome Lamer (10:34:30 PM): oh
Awesome Lamer (10:34:33 PM): oh that
Awesome Lamer (10:34:33 PM): yeah
u84 77 (10:34:41 PM): But it's not the same thind
u84 77 (10:34:43 PM): *thing
Awesome Lamer (10:34:50 PM): I get what you're saying though
Sam97379 (10:34:51 PM): the seer could always end up seering the psychic and get the alliance set up with no risk at all
Awesome Lamer (10:34:55 PM): odds are greater for than against
DarkManticoreX2 (10:35:03 PM): exactly
Sam97379 (10:35:03 PM): besides "wasting the seering" on a possible wolf
DarkManticoreX2 (10:35:06 PM): and much greater
Awesome Lamer (10:35:17 PM): ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i wouldnt say MUCH greater
DarkManticoreX2 (10:35:27 PM): 91% >>>> 9%
u84 77 (10:35:36 PM): it's less than that though
u84 77 (10:35:49 PM): you have to discount the blues and reds.
DarkManticoreX2 (10:35:51 PM): only if the first seered human was killed
emerald3x0 (10:35:53 PM): considering the case you seer a green, it this that
Awesome Lamer (10:36:04 PM): it could also be that bdn actually was the seer
Awesome Lamer (10:36:07 PM): or the psychic
Awesome Lamer (10:36:15 PM): theres also a chance of that happening
DarkManticoreX2 (10:36:18 PM): if that's true this i all ueless talk
DarkManticoreX2 (10:36:25 PM): and we're getting nowhere
Awesome Lamer (10:36:42 PM): which is why I'm using instinct
Awesome Lamer (10:36:48 PM): and putting you under the spot manti
u84 77 (10:36:51 PM): Tupac, what's your take on this?
DarkManticoreX2 (10:36:52 PM): I shall brb i have to take a shower
emerald3x0 (10:36:52 PM): then again, 87.5 >> 12.5 (case BDN being blue)
emerald3x0 (10:37:00 PM): he's not there
Awesome Lamer (10:37:01 PM): yeah emerald
Awesome Lamer (10:37:10 PM): you have to factor ALL these odds
Awesome Lamer (10:37:18 PM): if the seer/psychic is still alive
DarkManticoreX2 (10:37:31 PM): no you guys are not getting it
emerald3x0 (10:37:32 PM): if BDN was the seer, doesn't change anything
Awesome Lamer (10:37:37 PM): if a wolf gets to a human first
DarkManticoreX2 (10:37:39 PM): emerald might be
DarkManticoreX2 (10:37:43 PM): a2p is not
DarkManticoreX2 (10:37:53 PM): if the seer come out to the green he seered night 1
Awesome Lamer (10:38:04 PM): oh
Awesome Lamer (10:38:05 PM): wait
DarkManticoreX2 (10:38:06 PM): its a 9% chance that person i the mw
Awesome Lamer (10:38:08 PM): public announcement
Awesome Lamer (10:38:10 PM): WHOOPS
Awesome Lamer (10:38:14 PM): im bad
u84 77 (10:38:15 PM): it's more than that though
emerald3x0 (10:38:17 PM): what?
DarkManticoreX2 (10:38:20 PM): no it's not
u84 77 (10:38:21 PM): how many greens are in the game?
DarkManticoreX2 (10:38:25 PM): 10 humans 1 mw
DarkManticoreX2 (10:38:28 PM): 11 people
u84 77 (10:38:36 PM): I stand corrected
DarkManticoreX2 (10:38:38 PM): 1/11 chance you hit the mw
DarkManticoreX2 (10:38:41 PM): 9%
DarkManticoreX2 (10:38:55 PM): now i'll brb
emerald3x0 (10:39:18 PM): what did you WHOOPSed to a2p?
Awesome Lamer (10:40:02 PM): actually that was me thinking too fast
Awesome Lamer (10:40:14 PM): at first I though "wait the human doesnt have to come out in public does s/he?"
Awesome Lamer (10:40:25 PM): but then i learned that s/he does
Awesome Lamer (10:40:35 PM): because that's the way to connect psychic with seer
emerald3x0 (10:40:39 PM): yeah XD
emerald3x0 (10:41:10 PM): still, I do think this is the best strategy
u84 77 (10:41:29 PM): Unless the seer ios dead..
emerald3x0 (10:41:42 PM): no strategy would be good then...
emerald3x0 (10:42:03 PM): so it is technically the best
u84 77 (10:42:05 PM): random lynchings 
Awesome Lamer (10:42:11 PM): u84 is a wolf because in my aim log his color is red
Awesome Lamer (10:42:14 PM): case closed
emerald3x0 (10:42:30 PM): a2p you are the red
u84 77 (10:42:30 PM): I ate a wolf, that's why
Awesome Lamer (10:42:34 PM): O NO!!!!
u84 77 (10:42:43 PM): ****, is that worse?
u84 77 (10:42:46 PM): ****!
u84 77 (10:42:47 PM): Game idea
u84 77 (10:42:50 PM): wolf eater
emerald3x0 (10:42:55 PM): O_O
Awesome Lamer (10:42:56 PM): okay but for real though
u84 77 (10:42:59 PM): anyway
Awesome Lamer (10:43:05 PM): people that I DONT think are wolves
Awesome Lamer (10:43:07 PM): afro
Awesome Lamer (10:43:08 PM): emerald
Awesome Lamer (10:43:11 PM): tupac
emerald3x0 (10:43:25 PM): explain something to me
Awesome Lamer (10:43:32 PM): hold o
Awesome Lamer (10:43:34 PM): n
Awesome Lamer (10:43:41 PM): fic
Awesome Lamer (10:44:12 PM): those are my "most likely not" people
Awesome Lamer (10:44:12 PM): clarinet hasnt said much
emerald3x0 (10:44:13 PM): why I am on your not wolf list and manti on you wolf list when the reason you find manti a wolf applies to me?
Awesome Lamer (10:44:25 PM): you havent been pushing it as much
Awesome Lamer (10:44:28 PM): iirc
emerald3x0 (10:44:58 PM): pretty much was already said about it
Awesome Lamer (10:45:05 PM): huh?
emerald3x0 (10:45:31 PM): all the points why it is better than the others has already been stated by manti
emerald3x0 (10:45:39 PM): no need for me to shout out loud the same thing
Awesome Lamer (10:45:44 PM): oh
Awesome Lamer (10:45:47 PM): good point
Awesome Lamer (10:45:57 PM): are you at least somewhat weary of the risks though?
emerald3x0 (10:46:07 PM): yeah, I am
emerald3x0 (10:46:23 PM): still, I am a good poker player and I know it is the best option
Awesome Lamer (10:46:41 PM): you should play a ring game with me on fulltilt after all this is over
Awesome Lamer (10:46:45 PM): but anyways
Awesome Lamer (10:47:00 PM): heres the thing
Sam97379 (10:47:03 PM): really, it's ultimately up to the seer to decide
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DarkManticoreX2 (10:48:56 PM): baw?
emerald3x0 (10:49:05 PM): baw
DarkManticoreX2 (10:49:09 PM): cool
DarkManticoreX2 (10:49:18 PM): comp went into standbye
DarkManticoreX2 (10:49:20 PM): brb
Awesome Lamer (10:49:21 PM): He's been speaking a lot in the thread, and he seems to have emotion on whether or not we lose
emerald3x0 (10:49:45 PM): you say that from the dude who gave out all the strategies wolves can use to win?
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Awesome Lamer (10:50:15 PM): Exactly.
Awesome Lamer (10:50:34 PM): He says it to point out the flaws with this whole seer alliance gig
Awesome Lamer (10:50:44 PM): if he were a wolf
Sam97379 (10:50:45 PM): oh, wait, he asked to sub out
Awesome Lamer (10:50:52 PM): he would keep quiet about the possible plans
Sam97379 (10:50:53 PM): gun, any opinions before it happens?
Awesome Lamer (10:50:58 PM): and talk it over with his wolf buddies
Awesome Lamer (10:51:06 PM): NOT openly express them in the thread
Awesome Lamer (10:51:10 PM): ya know?
James92Hofmann (10:51:13 PM): Before what happens?
Awesome Lamer (10:51:18 PM): lynching
Awesome Lamer (10:51:34 PM): yeah manti you wish your typing speed was faster than mine
emerald3x0 (10:51:34 PM): but that gives him a reason why elaborated plans happen: it was said in the thread
James92Hofmann (10:52:01 PM): No, I haven't really been around much and haven't had any time to talk to anyone. Got a new job, which is why I need a sub 
Awesome Lamer (10:52:05 PM): what do you mean by that?
Awesome Lamer (10:52:12 PM): @emerald
emerald3x0 (10:52:31 PM): Let's see that:
DarkManticoreX2 (10:53:45 PM): im lost btw
emerald3x0 (10:54:06 PM): Later in the game, some pretty elaborated plan by the wolves happens. Who do you think will be targeted? Yeah, Afro. But by saying them already in the thread, it gives him an escape route. It was said in the thread. Anybody might have taken those ideas.
Awesome Lamer (10:55:33 PM): Let me see if I get what you're saying: Since afro publically said the plans in the thread, the wolves can just absorb more info from him
Awesome Lamer (10:55:36 PM): is that what you're saying?
DarkManticoreX2 (10:55:57 PM): no, he can use the fact that everyone knew as an escape route
DarkManticoreX2 (10:56:04 PM): even though it was his idea
Awesome Lamer (10:56:10 PM): OH
Awesome Lamer (10:56:12 PM): Okay I gotcha
u84 77 (10:56:57 PM): Alright, I still have a ****load of homework, so I'm just gonna safety Ruritsu and do that ****.
u84 77 (10:56:58 PM): Any objections?
emerald3x0 (10:57:12 PM): yes, but what might I do?
u84 77 (10:58:15 PM): sorry guys
DarkManticoreX2 (10:59:58 PM): I think I'm going to vote for afro personally
Awesome Lamer (11:00:09 PM): ReVeNgE vOtInG
Awesome Lamer (11:00:10 PM): jk
DarkManticoreX2 (11:00:22 PM): ha
DarkManticoreX2 (11:00:47 PM): we do kinda have to kill someone
u84 77 (11:00:53 PM) has left the room.
Awesome Lamer (11:01:30 PM): u84 left when you announced murder
Awesome Lamer (11:01:32 PM): WUHOH
Awesome Lamer (11:01:36 PM): oh he has homework
Awesome Lamer (11:01:37 PM): nvm
DarkManticoreX2 (11:04:51 PM): guys
DarkManticoreX2 (11:05:02 PM): we're at the same place we were when we started
emerald3x0 (11:05:17 PM): I am actually about 20 feet away.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:05:27 PM): not mentally!
James92Hofmann (11:05:44 PM) has left the room.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:06:00 PM): i hate you gun
emerald3x0 (11:06:40 PM): I think I am going to vote for afro too if nothing else happens
DarkManticoreX2 (11:07:26 PM): how bout you sc
DarkManticoreX2 (11:07:32 PM): or a2p
Sam97379 (11:08:05 PM): what's your reason for voting for afro?
Awesome Lamer (11:08:15 PM): either you or panda manti
DarkManticoreX2 (11:10:19 PM): i posted my reasons in the thread on day 1 kinda
DarkManticoreX2 (11:10:27 PM): they're in my log with ac1
DarkManticoreX2 (11:11:00 PM): seer ha to come out to someone sometime
DarkManticoreX2 (11:11:05 PM): and afro's against it
DarkManticoreX2 (11:11:20 PM): afro thinks seered greens are useless
DarkManticoreX2 (11:11:54 PM): and the fact that he posted night 1 saying vets shouldnt be killed
DarkManticoreX2 (11:11:58 PM): and no vets are killed
Sam97379 (11:11:59 PM): what about ac1 then?
DarkManticoreX2 (11:12:25 PM): ac1 or afro is a wolf
DarkManticoreX2 (11:12:33 PM): i dont think they both are
DarkManticoreX2 (11:12:48 PM): but I'd feel safer offing both of them
DarkManticoreX2 (11:13:04 PM): one green for one wolf is fine by me
DarkManticoreX2 (11:14:06 PM): i did think our conversation was weird though and i was willing to give afro the benifit of the doubt for a day
DarkManticoreX2 (11:14:23 PM): but it's day two and i've got more doubts about him not less
tupacodaman (11:17:05 PM): ok back finally
tupacodaman (11:17:06 PM): haha
emerald3x0 (11:17:26 PM): you read through everything?
DarkManticoreX2 (11:22:14 PM): hey tupac
tupacodaman (11:26:26 PM): for the most part
tupacodaman (11:26:47 PM): I really don't think either manti or afro are wolves
DarkManticoreX2 (11:28:51 PM): who are you suspicious of tupac
tupacodaman (11:30:00 PM): clarinet and ruritsu
tupacodaman (11:30:04 PM): but they always are suspicious 
DarkManticoreX2 (11:30:12 PM): why those two
Sam97379 (11:30:22 PM): that's exactly what I said
tupacodaman (11:30:26 PM): no concrete reason
tupacodaman (11:30:31 PM): they always dig around for info a little too much
fikshonjunkshon (11:30:41 PM) has been invited.
fikshonjunkshon (11:30:47 PM) has entered the room.
tupacodaman (11:30:48 PM): just a vibe I Got from talking to them
fikshonjunkshon (11:31:00 PM): hi, I have a huge headache so I'll be quick.
fikshonjunkshon (11:31:04 PM): Also hi wolves
DarkManticoreX2 (11:31:09 PM): hi fic
fikshonjunkshon (11:31:10 PM): I think there are two in here
DarkManticoreX2 (11:31:12 PM): oh wai
fikshonjunkshon (11:31:27 PM): one arguing and one supporting
tupacodaman (11:31:47 PM): and yea I was a bit confusing when I posted the thing about the green coming out to the thread sc
fikshonjunkshon (11:31:48 PM): I was going to post this in the thread but I'll just stir up some drama here instead
tupacodaman (11:31:49 PM): but it makes sense
tupacodaman (11:32:03 PM): we shouldn't have that green give himself up and form the alliance unless a red is seered imo
emerald3x0 (11:32:29 PM): BAD idea tupac
emerald3x0 (11:32:48 PM): if green is MW, we just lost the seer
fikshonjunkshon (11:33:11 PM): I'd be very surprised if manti really wanted to have the seer come out to the first or even second green result. Tupac doesn't contradict himself but he doesn't explain that both situation he writes about are incredibly circumstantial. I see this as a fluke on his part and has caught my eye.
fikshonjunkshon (11:33:16 PM): it's just the way he writes posts, you know?
fikshonjunkshon (11:33:34 PM): not very formal and it doesn't change regardless of his role
fikshonjunkshon (11:33:48 PM): you'd think he'd correct himself with a small edit like a lot of us do
fikshonjunkshon (11:33:56 PM): yeah, you do it 
fikshonjunkshon (11:33:57 PM): don't lie.
emerald3x0 (11:34:02 PM): for your first point FJ, I really want the seer to come out to that green
fikshonjunkshon (11:34:07 PM): I'll be changing my vote to tupac unless told otherwise
fikshonjunkshon (11:34:16 PM): I don't care. I'm not saying he shouldn't.
fikshonjunkshon (11:34:28 PM): I'm syaing that manti wouldn't normally suggest that he came out to a particular green
tupacodaman (11:34:32 PM): say what?
emerald3x0 (11:34:39 PM): I don't get your point then.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:34:45 PM): neother do i
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:09 PM): saying the first or second green implies he's basing his opinion on statistical data. As far as I'm concerned, we haven't done that since our first or second game.
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:16 PM): it's not normal. I don't like it.
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:25 PM): I do want the seer to come out to a green though
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:25 PM): BUT
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:29 PM): only if there are no other results
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:31 PM): AND
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:35 PM): there's a chance of his dying.
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:48 PM): this criteria is NOT concrete
tupacodaman (11:35:50 PM): well we kind of have to take this chance...
DarkManticoreX2 (11:35:51 PM): well first seered green assuming he trusts that green, Assuming he trusts the green i assumed to be implied
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:57 PM): it leaves the decision on the seer's shoulders
fikshonjunkshon (11:35:58 PM): not ours.
tupacodaman (11:36:03 PM): yea so?
fikshonjunkshon (11:36:04 PM): it's not your game. stop pretending liek it is.
tupacodaman (11:36:16 PM): he/she'll use his/her judgement
tupacodaman (11:36:22 PM): to see if that first green is sketch or not
fikshonjunkshon (11:36:40 PM): yeah, that kind of thing goes unsaid. everything goes unsaid.
fikshonjunkshon (11:36:42 PM): as a matter of fact
fikshonjunkshon (11:36:46 PM): this all started because arfo babbled
tupacodaman (11:36:50 PM): lol arfo
fikshonjunkshon (11:36:58 PM): and arfo's posts are nothing but a way to get your reactions.
fikshonjunkshon (11:37:03 PM): it's been a LOOOOOOOOOONG time
fikshonjunkshon (11:37:11 PM): since manti went through a a post
fikshonjunkshon (11:37:13 PM): disected it
fikshonjunkshon (11:37:14 PM): and replied.
fikshonjunkshon (11:37:16 PM): LOOOONG TIME.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:37:27 PM): i had time this time =D
tupacodaman (11:37:31 PM): haha nice
fikshonjunkshon (11:37:51 PM): I call bull****. If there's anyone who actually puts any effort into this game it's me, you, arfo and iggy
tupacodaman (11:38:01 PM): lol
fikshonjunkshon (11:38:04 PM): you didn't just have time
tupacodaman (11:38:07 PM): depends on the game, don't be so exclusive 
DarkManticoreX2 (11:38:15 PM): well half the thing with me and afro
DarkManticoreX2 (11:38:24 PM): is that we never get on aim at the same time
tupacodaman (11:38:35 PM): yea is he in some weird time zone?
tupacodaman (11:38:35 PM): or what
DarkManticoreX2 (11:38:39 PM): so everything i want to say to him i have to say in the thread
fikshonjunkshon (11:38:40 PM): he works nights.
tupacodaman (11:38:51 PM): ah ok
fikshonjunkshon (11:38:52 PM): we had the same discussion last game.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:38:53 PM): he' on when im sleeping
DarkManticoreX2 (11:38:59 PM): and im on when he's sleeping
fikshonjunkshon (11:39:01 PM): I'm just calling it our as weird.
fikshonjunkshon (11:39:07 PM): out*
fikshonjunkshon (11:39:14 PM): unlike you.
fikshonjunkshon (11:39:51 PM): but yeah, the seer should come out to a green if he has no one else and he;s about to die. otherwise, no.
fikshonjunkshon (11:40:10 PM): there's no point in doing it IMMEDIATELY like you guys keep arguing.
fikshonjunkshon (11:40:15 PM): the first or second green
fikshonjunkshon (11:40:17 PM): give me a break.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:40:18 PM): seer doesnt know when hes about to die
fikshonjunkshon (11:40:29 PM): stop being so statistical and play emotionally
fikshonjunkshon (11:40:36 PM): you know when your chances are up.
fikshonjunkshon (11:40:45 PM): it's not your decision anyway
tupacodaman (11:40:49 PM): lol yea how does he know...
fikshonjunkshon (11:40:51 PM): so you shouldn't be lobbying about it in the first place.
fikshonjunkshon (11:41:09 PM): I don't know tupac. if it's night 4 and you think you might have had a bad conversation with someone
fikshonjunkshon (11:41:12 PM): you might feel a bit nervous
fikshonjunkshon (11:41:16 PM): I DON'T KNOW JUST MAYBE
fikshonjunkshon (11:41:18 PM): MAYBE
tupacodaman (11:41:26 PM): lol true
tupacodaman (11:41:36 PM): yea if it's night 4...
tupacodaman (11:41:37 PM): haha
tupacodaman (11:41:51 PM): who did panda replace?
fikshonjunkshon (11:42:01 PM): stop making a ****ing big deal about the seer's procedures because no matter what you say it won't change anything.
fikshonjunkshon (11:42:06 PM): this is also good advice for wolves
tupacodaman (11:42:22 PM): who me?
tupacodaman (11:42:22 PM): big deal about what
tupacodaman (11:42:51 PM): I just think it's in the seer's best interest to wait until he seers a red and then come out to the green
fikshonjunkshon (11:43:03 PM): you've guys built a relationship web here and if anyone with half a brain and a bit information looked at it he'd be able to make more educated guesses as to who to seer or kill.
fikshonjunkshon (11:43:09 PM): I want out of it.
fikshonjunkshon (11:43:16 PM): so can you chill out?
fikshonjunkshon (11:43:16 PM): god.
tupacodaman (11:43:22 PM): I am
tupacodaman (11:43:23 PM): lol
DarkManticoreX2 (11:43:37 PM): cmon we have people without half a brain playing
tupacodaman (11:43:37 PM): who's more chill than tupac? 
tupacodaman (11:43:40 PM): hha
DarkManticoreX2 (11:43:51 PM): maybe without 3/4 of a brain sometimes
DarkManticoreX2 (11:44:09 PM): cough bolth cough gun cough
tupacodaman (11:44:11 PM): haha
tupacodaman (11:44:15 PM): yea wtf was his deal
tupacodaman (11:44:17 PM): anyway
tupacodaman (11:44:27 PM): why do you think there's two wolves in here fic?
fikshonjunkshon (11:44:43 PM): you guys would say statistics
DarkManticoreX2 (11:45:04 PM): well using statistics
DarkManticoreX2 (11:45:12 PM): fic's assuming we havent killed a wolf yet
DarkManticoreX2 (11:45:24 PM): and 13 people are left in the game
DarkManticoreX2 (11:45:28 PM): and theres 6 here
fikshonjunkshon (11:45:33 PM): I'm actually more going off of what I'd do and have done before.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:45:44 PM): so naturally odds say theres 2 wolves in here
DarkManticoreX2 (11:45:56 PM): STATISTICS
fikshonjunkshon (11:46:02 PM): cold hard data.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:46:08 PM): lol
fikshonjunkshon (11:46:20 PM): this isn't your typical game. arfo knows my vote on him is a joke.
fikshonjunkshon (11:46:36 PM): by your, I mean, your game manti.
tupacodaman (11:46:40 PM): haha
tupacodaman (11:46:43 PM): how is this his game
DarkManticoreX2 (11:46:49 PM): i made it its my game shut up
DarkManticoreX2 (11:47:00 PM): bawwwwwwww
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:02 PM): do you know how to read between the lines? god. Manti's style.
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:07 PM): he's not himself.
tupacodaman (11:47:24 PM): haha
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:28 PM): anyway, when does the night end?
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:30 PM): er
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:31 PM): day
Awesome Lamer (11:47:32 PM): uh oh
DarkManticoreX2 (11:47:33 PM): its day
fikshonjunkshon (11:47:36 PM): ya thanks.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:47:42 PM): tomorow at noon
tupacodaman (11:47:46 PM): o shi
tupacodaman (11:47:51 PM): better think of who to vote then
DarkManticoreX2 (11:47:54 PM): WHICH IS WHY I MADE THE CHAT OMG
tupacodaman (11:47:56 PM): thought it was tomorrow night
tupacodaman (11:47:57 PM): lol
tupacodaman (11:48:00 PM): yea sorry :9
fikshonjunkshon (11:48:16 PM): guess I'll change my vote by tomorrow. have to wake up at 9am anyway.
tupacodaman (11:48:17 PM): but yea
tupacodaman (11:48:19 PM): who did panda replace?
DarkManticoreX2 (11:48:22 PM): sully
tupacodaman (11:48:24 PM): ah
tupacodaman (11:48:30 PM): so he asked for a sub
tupacodaman (11:48:31 PM): hm
tupacodaman (11:48:48 PM): sully never subs out... just sits there being inactive
tupacodaman (11:48:49 PM): lol
DarkManticoreX2 (11:48:50 PM): i dont trust anyone who asks for a sub in the thread personally
tupacodaman (11:49:12 PM): so you don't trust gun either?
DarkManticoreX2 (11:49:17 PM): nope
DarkManticoreX2 (11:49:23 PM): hell i never trust gun
tupacodaman (11:49:49 PM): haha true
tupacodaman (11:50:00 PM): hrm
fikshonjunkshon (11:50:18 PM): players like gunm are irrelevant unless they die early. other thaat they're dealt with at the end of the game
fikshonjunkshon (11:50:23 PM): you know, those extra wolves that don't do anything
DarkManticoreX2 (11:50:51 PM): like sc/u84/gun/viccica
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:01 PM): viccica had brains
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:05 PM): then she decided to **** on herself
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:15 PM): she plyas arfo's game
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:19 PM): with little to no success
fikshonjunkshon (11:51:26 PM): she's a better wolf than a green, really.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:51:42 PM): meh the four of them are being inactive
DarkManticoreX2 (11:51:56 PM): and useless a far as im concerned
fikshonjunkshon (11:52:13 PM): well, I guess you're assuming they werne't seered night one or two.
DarkManticoreX2 (11:52:34 PM): also assuming they're not seer/psychic
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:05 PM): you wouldn't say that if you were green in hopes of not raising the wolve's perspectives.
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:22 PM): you know, the roles are randomly assigned
tupacodaman (11:53:27 PM): yup
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:36 PM): oh, ok,m tupac. this is your cue
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:38 PM): argue against manti
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:40 PM): do it
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:41 PM): show hostility
DarkManticoreX2 (11:53:43 PM): or im saying that because i think they are =o
tupacodaman (11:53:44 PM): lol
fikshonjunkshon (11:53:45 PM): you disagree
tupacodaman (11:53:56 PM): disagree with those four being useless?
tupacodaman (11:53:57 PM): or what
DarkManticoreX2 (11:54:08 PM): no they're useless
fikshonjunkshon (11:54:09 PM): no, you wouldn't do that manti
DarkManticoreX2 (11:54:10 PM): lol
fikshonjunkshon (11:54:19 PM): especially since you truly believe they're useless
tupacodaman (11:54:26 PM): I think one of the "useless people" manti listed is the seer
tupacodaman (11:54:27 PM): imo
fikshonjunkshon (11:54:32 PM): and wouldn't consider them ever unless you had something that lead you to believe that
fikshonjunkshon (11:54:36 PM): and you have nothing
fikshonjunkshon (11:54:38 PM): actually
DarkManticoreX2 (11:54:49 PM): i think two of them are wolves
DarkManticoreX2 (11:54:58 PM): the others aren't poting in the thread
DarkManticoreX2 (11:55:03 PM): and i cant contact them on aim
DarkManticoreX2 (11:55:08 PM): so yeah ueless
fikshonjunkshon (11:55:24 PM): well, saying "they're not blues" isn't the same thing.
fikshonjunkshon (11:55:27 PM): good, you covered all bases
fikshonjunkshon (11:55:34 PM): you've been officially CLEARED FROM SUSPICION
fikshonjunkshon (11:55:38 PM): everyone, move along
fikshonjunkshon (11:55:40 PM): nothing to see here
DarkManticoreX2 (11:55:42 PM): lol
tupacodaman (11:56:09 PM): haha
fikshonjunkshon (11:56:15 PM): I run the risk of being very, very wrong
fikshonjunkshon (11:56:31 PM): at the cost of hoping that one of you would do something to correct my views of you
fikshonjunkshon (11:56:33 PM): and your actions.
fikshonjunkshon (11:56:44 PM): but you'd be too butthurt or proud to do anything about it
fikshonjunkshon (11:56:49 PM): so be good humans and do something about it.
emerald3x0 (11:57:18 PM): looks like I missed the fun
fikshonjunkshon (11:57:24 PM): hi 000
emerald3x0 (11:57:43 PM): first time ever I am called like that hahaha
fikshonjunkshon (11:58:13 PM): tl;dr manti's not himself, tupac screwed himself in his post luring my eye (and sc's for that matter), and I think one might be using the other
fikshonjunkshon (11:58:15 PM): probably manti
fikshonjunkshon (11:58:24 PM): if it's tupac then I'll give him a round of applause
fikshonjunkshon (11:58:32 PM): \o/
DarkManticoreX2 (11:58:36 PM): hi tupac im using you
DarkManticoreX2 (11:58:40 PM): gimme a hi5
fikshonjunkshon (11:58:42 PM): o/
fikshonjunkshon (11:58:51 PM): COME ON
fikshonjunkshon (11:58:54 PM): DON'TLEAVE ME HANGING
DarkManticoreX2 (11:58:55 PM): don't leave me hanging bro
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:00 PM): o/
Awesome Lamer (11:59:01 PM): ddont hang me bro!
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:07 PM): o/ \o
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:09 PM): YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:10 PM): self hi5
tupacodaman (11:59:17 PM): high 5 back
tupacodaman (11:59:17 PM): lol
DarkManticoreX2 (11:59:20 PM): yessssss
DarkManticoreX2 (11:59:23 PM): YESSSSSSSSSSSS
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:27 PM): YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
emerald3x0 (11:59:34 PM): huh...
DarkManticoreX2 (11:59:35 PM): RAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE
tupacodaman (11:59:45 PM): haha
tupacodaman (11:59:46 PM): ok anyway
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:49 PM): hey, I have a ****load of japanese homework to do for tomorrow so ciao
tupacodaman (11:59:52 PM): I don't think manti is using me..
tupacodaman (11:59:55 PM): and I'm def not using him
fikshonjunkshon (11:59:56 PM): not to mention my headache
tupacodaman (11:59:57 PM): 
tupacodaman (11:59:59 PM): 
DarkManticoreX2 (12:00:02 AM): no im using you
fikshonjunkshon (12:00:04 AM): you couldn't.
tupacodaman (12:00:04 AM): lol
DarkManticoreX2 (12:00:08 AM): you just dont know it yet
tupacodaman (12:00:13 AM): sweet
fikshonjunkshon (12:00:29 AM): really, it's be nice if manti or tupac had any sort of interest in clearing their names
fikshonjunkshon (12:00:32 AM): it'd
DarkManticoreX2 (12:00:58 AM): i dont see why im fishy in the first place
fikshonjunkshon (12:01:21 AM): it's not up to you to understand, young padawan
fikshonjunkshon (12:01:33 AM): these aren't the reasons you are looking for.
fikshonjunkshon (12:02:11 AM): plus, I've said it already
fikshonjunkshon (12:02:16 AM): yes mantiwait for me to finish
fikshonjunkshon (12:02:26 AM): this isn't your typical style.
fikshonjunkshon (12:02:30 AM): and it feels wierd!
DarkManticoreX2 (12:02:38 AM): this isnt your typical game
fikshonjunkshon (12:02:42 AM): how so?
DarkManticoreX2 (12:02:50 AM): no alliance for me to suck up to
fikshonjunkshon (12:03:03 AM): I thought you mean, my playstyle
fikshonjunkshon (12:03:10 AM): well, the game isn't centered upon a concrete style
fikshonjunkshon (12:03:12 AM): don't you dare
fikshonjunkshon (12:03:13 AM): claim
fikshonjunkshon (12:03:17 AM): that you need an alliance
tupacodaman (12:03:31 AM): wait what do I need to clear up
fikshonjunkshon (12:03:32 AM): really? undermining yourself for the sake of a win?
tupacodaman (12:03:35 AM): I said what I meant to say
tupacodaman (12:03:36 AM): lol
fikshonjunkshon (12:03:40 AM): check the thread
DarkManticoreX2 (12:03:46 AM): no im claiming that you're judging my playstyle based on my alliance style
tupacodaman (12:03:52 AM): me?
tupacodaman (12:03:57 AM): I didn't contradict myself
DarkManticoreX2 (12:04:03 AM): where this is more independant
fikshonjunkshon (12:04:14 AM): no, I'm judging your playstyle on your typical view on players, average responses, writing style, and typical arguments
fikshonjunkshon (12:04:19 AM): not to mention your experience
DarkManticoreX2 (12:04:42 AM): i always view people like gun as useless dont i?
fikshonjunkshon (12:04:51 AM): if the game isn't centered upon an alliance, you'd assimilate that
Awesome Lamer (12:04:52 AM): iceburn
fikshonjunkshon (12:04:53 AM): and not push it
fikshonjunkshon (12:05:01 AM): because you know it wouldn't ,make a difference
fikshonjunkshon (12:05:07 AM): and you know it's not your decision anyway
Awesome Lamer (12:05:22 AM): fik, what do you think about manti's apathy towards the risk of his alliance plan?
Awesome Lamer (12:05:22 AM): j/w
tupacodaman (12:05:30 AM): omg
tupacodaman (12:05:32 AM): 10% chance
tupacodaman (12:05:35 AM): like what
tupacodaman (12:05:35 AM): haha
fikshonjunkshon (12:05:53 AM): I'll stand up for manti on this, but unlike tupac, I understand that this isn't a matter of statistics.
tupacodaman (12:06:01 AM): er ok
tupacodaman (12:06:02 AM): haha
tupacodaman (12:06:21 AM): again, if the seer seered a green who he now thinks is suspicious... obvoiusly don't come out to himi
fikshonjunkshon (12:06:23 AM): the risk is always there. he's not ignoring it, he's just going for it.  you know? assumign the seer knows what he's doing/
fikshonjunkshon (12:06:45 AM): understanding the nature of his agrument, and the debate as a whole, we should know that it shouldn't be happening anyway
fikshonjunkshon (12:07:39 AM): it really isn't about ignoring risk.. because it's not our decision anyway? whatever we 'decide on' won't matter
fikshonjunkshon (12:08:03 AM): does that make him a wolf? who knows. 
fikshonjunkshon (12:08:19 AM): I just think his style is weird.
fikshonjunkshon (12:08:31 AM): he's not this detailed in his posts. he hasn;t disected one in years.
fikshonjunkshon (12:08:39 AM): and on top of that it's arfo's post
fikshonjunkshon (12:08:41 AM): reaaaaaalllyyyy?
fikshonjunkshon (12:08:48 AM): I was bothered too, but god.
fikshonjunkshon (12:08:52 AM): I wasn't aobut to dissect his post
tupacodaman (12:09:21 AM): well to be fair when's the last time manti lived this long :O0
tupacodaman (12:09:22 AM): 
DarkManticoreX2 (12:09:26 AM): the main reason i disected it was because i cant talk to him on aim
fikshonjunkshon (12:09:37 AM): WOAH, MORE WOOD FOR MANTI'S FIRE
tupacodaman (12:09:38 AM): or that someone posted something that huge on the forum
fikshonjunkshon (12:09:41 AM): keep it coming tupac.
tupacodaman (12:09:50 AM): (throws log)
tupacodaman (12:09:51 AM): haha
tupacodaman (12:09:59 AM): no really tho
fikshonjunkshon (12:10:05 AM): I know arfo said that us staying alive doesn't make a difference
fikshonjunkshon (12:10:14 AM): but we all know it does
fikshonjunkshon (12:10:17 AM): and I'm fine with that
fikshonjunkshon (12:10:20 AM): manti is fine with that
fikshonjunkshon (12:10:36 AM): albeit it must suck to die
fikshonjunkshon (12:10:37 AM): night one every night
fikshonjunkshon (12:10:41 AM): game
tupacodaman (12:11:24 AM): hah yea
tupacodaman (12:11:30 AM): ok so no one's really saying anything productive
tupacodaman (12:11:35 AM): I voted sully in case anyone cares
fikshonjunkshon (12:11:40 AM): the last 8 pages of the thread
fikshonjunkshon (12:11:42 AM): ?
fikshonjunkshon (12:11:43 AM): no
DarkManticoreX2 (12:11:50 AM): sully was replaced
DarkManticoreX2 (12:11:51 AM): -.-
tupacodaman (12:11:56 AM): you know what I mean
tupacodaman (12:11:56 AM): panda
fikshonjunkshon (12:11:58 AM): hey, once the seer actually comes out to a green
fikshonjunkshon (12:12:01 AM): we'll have some fun
tupacodaman (12:12:21 AM): yup
fikshonjunkshon (12:13:27 AM): can I do now?
fikshonjunkshon (12:13:31 AM): go
fikshonjunkshon (12:13:33 AM): yep!
fikshonjunkshon (12:13:34 AM): ybe
fikshonjunkshon (12:13:37 AM) has left the room.
tupacodaman (12:14:13 AM): ?
tupacodaman (12:14:14 AM): lol
tupacodaman (12:14:26 AM): who do you think yo'ure gonna vote for manti
tupacodaman (12:14:29 AM): /anyone else in here
DarkManticoreX2 (12:14:39 AM): im thinking afro still
emerald3x0 (12:16:41 AM): seriously, what the f was up with FJ?
emerald3x0 (12:19:44 AM): anyone?
DarkManticoreX2 (12:19:53 AM): no idea
emerald3x0 (12:20:17 AM): anybody understood his arguments, because I am clearly not
tupacodaman (12:21:19 AM): yea no idea
tupacodaman (12:21:19 AM): haha
tupacodaman (12:21:25 AM): he always makes no sense tho
tupacodaman (12:21:42 AM): "rabble rabble i'm the only one doing ****, ,talk to me on AIM tho because I won't ever IM YOU!"
tupacodaman (12:21:42 AM): lol
tupacodaman (12:21:59 AM): and then says we're pissed off and he's not and starts cussing and saying we need to "chill"
emerald3x0 (12:22:15 AM): this time was worse than ever
tupacodaman (12:27:12 AM): hyup
tupacodaman (12:42:39 AM) has left the room.
Sam97379 (1:07:37 AM) has left the room.

[tupacodaman]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

It seems you've all forgot that the person the seer comes out to doesn't have to believe him. If you all want to play the statistics game then consider that a wolf would have a 1/6th chance of coming out to a blue and exposing himself. Hey, with odds like that, I'd do it! Considering that the seer or the psychic could be dead, who wouldn't?

what.......

as far as faking seer... no point for a green to do it...... and a wolf coming out as blue is pretty dumb too. if you are the psychic and someone comes to you out of nowhere saying he's the seer... wtf. there's no way the seer would be that risky. same goes for the other way around (if you're seer and some rando tells you he/she's the psychic). if you are the psychic and a green tells you he's the "link" to the seer, obviously ask for AIM logs... hopefully you'll be able to tell if something's fishy... the green will have to think a little too... just ask the seer who all his seer targets have been, then if someone comes out and tells you he's the psychic, ask him how many wolves there are left and put two and two together...

sheez this really isn't as risky as it seems... if you just use your "social engineering" skills then you won't get tricked by a wolf posing as a blue...

[tupacodaman]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

btw I meant to include "ask for html AIM logs", you can't really edit those...

and I don't understand why people seem to be so against manti... what has afro done besides recommend that we sit on our asses and talk to each other? w/e...

[Ruritsu]

Re: TWG LXXXIX: Simplicity

DarkManticoreX2 (10:21:31 PM): a2p was going over why he's suspicious of panda
u84 77 (10:21:39 PM): recap?
DarkManticoreX2 (10:21:58 PM):
Awesome Lamer (10:19:30 PM): sully was quiet in the beginning

Awesome Lamer (10:19:40 PM): and I put him as a suspect on d1 for that

Awesome Lamer (10:19:45 PM): and then he gets switched out
DarkManticoreX2 (10:22:18 PM): was there more to that a2p/
DarkManticoreX2 (10:22:20 PM): ?
Awesome Lamer (10:22:23 PM): no

sully for now... never seen him sub out, usually just chills in the background if he's human... call it a hunch, will probably change this soon

Hey Tupac, you've been doing nothing except repeating other people's ideas all game. I'd post more specific examples, but I'm not at home at the moment (Bloody school) so, I'll leave the vote on you. This may seem like bandwagoning Afro and Fic, but I'm really just basing this off of your recent actions.