TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game Thread)

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

If we did that it would be under the assumptions that A-we where all sure we wanted to lynch lurker and B-we've hit a roadblock in the discussion

But Zenith is showing me that neither of those are strickly true so it's probably a bad idea as you've said.

D0 should always be played in the full duration, just a tip.

EoD is where some people really try so it's always good to sit and wait until people who haven't done much during the phase can summarize their beliefs during the last hour of the phase; imo a bad habit to some.

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

1. Gradiant

gaddamn that's some good shit

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2. AragakiAyase

w e w l a d

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3. XelNya _Zenith_

aaaaaaaaaaa

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4. reuben_tate

berd

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5. Charu

exists for haku

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6. thesunfan

fucking aaaaaaaa I'm glad you are in this game <3

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7. MixMasterLar

policy not touching a brand new player in the first phase

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8. dabackpack

gaddamn bruh

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9. rzr

you sound like botchi

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10. choof

ayy lmao

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11. botchi246

you sound like rzr

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12. Hakulyte

exists for charu

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13. lucker

I know you do not want to be in this game whatsoever

I believe I'm still looking like this lmao

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

I believe I'm still looking like this lmao

your reads are memes

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

your reads are memes

That's the point

[botchi246]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

I think Zenith is a very safe town read. He has bringing some great ideas to the table in such short a time that I think it would be pretty hard to put all this together without some sort of inherent scumminess.

MML has dug himself a little pit into the wolf's den. I think, even though he is a newbie, he has had some pretty bad comments and was very defensive regarding choof and AA. He has also been backpacking quite a bit, which is prolly what a newb does most of all anyways, considering how I backpacked a lot of the FreezeWars game.

True, but with phrases like "if I where a wolf" and "deal with it" it kind of seems like it is.

This is a good example after zenith said this exact same thing sans "deal with it".

AA is a town lean for me and I really think all the votes or future votes for him should be dispelled. This is a bad first day lynch, he is doing his thing, and I like his style.

Hakulyte is a in a rough place for me. He seems to be attaching significance to posts that do not really matter. For example, the hazing post I made, which was clearly a joke, but I guess he is taking it serious enough to keep thinking about smh

I'm not trying to make sense of everything asked to me when I don't feel the need to do so. I still try to respond to most of it.

I suggest you to ignore all my posts that has "no actual facts" to back up what I say(thats a lot!). I'm clearly trying to bait people just because I can and being ignorant is part of it.

This post right here is pretty scummy to me. He isn't even trying to defend himself, and even draws attention that he has been posting BS for a lot of the game so far. Ignorance on purpose is scum. Haku is a good scum lean for me, but not a good first day lynch prospect because there is not a whole lot to gain from his flip.

Lurker is lame. Not a good first day scum lynch, but perhaps a policy lynch. There is not a whole lot to gain from this, but in case we do not lynch him, I really hope he says some more so we can start deducting his real intentions.

Senior Benguin has some good information in his posts, although in the post below I believe it is a bit forced. I lean towards Choof being town and Haku being more scum. Granted, I have never played with benguin, but I guess he has brief flurries of activity, and maybe he isn't thinking all the way through them. The posts come so fast, that it is hard for me to believe that there aren't any mistakes in them or things he has glossed over in favor of making himself look like he is working hard.

For some reason, I didn't like the interaction between haku and choof regarding the slip up that haku had regarding the role counts. I can't think of a better word, but the back-and-forth between them felt almost artificial. One reason I think is because I interpreted haku's "slip up" as more of just being lazy with semantics. Most of the games on ffr twg (that I've played at least) only have 1 anti-town faction. Also, at this point in game (d0), there isn't much point in considering the dynamics of the various game mechanics. So colloquially lumping both factions as "wolves" at this stage shouldn't be surprising; sure, another term like "anti-town faction members" could have been used but it's a bit more clunky.

I haven't looked too much into the setup myself, but I want to claim that if choof is an anti-town, then haku is also an anti-town of the same faction. Suppose by proof of motherfucking contradiction that choof is an anti-town and haku doesn't belong to choof's faction. We see that choof "hard" claimed that haku was town; however, it'd be absurd for choof to protect someone that wasn't in his faction, a contradiction. Thus, if choof is anti-town, then haku is anti-town of the same faction.

Equivalently, if haku doesn't belong to a particular faction, then choof also doesn't belong to that same faction.

Lumping Haku and choof together is not a terrible idea, but I think that putting them in the same faction is wrong. If anything, they are opposing factions to me like I said above. Benguin is null for me.

Choof is a pretty solid town read for me as I stated above and before in another post. The thing that solidifies this for me is how hard he came out in the beginning. This is reminiscent of DLGNs play in the FreezeWars and we mislynched him RIP. Definitely, not a good lynch target, not even a good night 2 target for me. Let us keep him alive and see what else he has to say.

Dabackpack is null for me even though he has had done only a little detective action, but maybe that is only because it is day 1. I like how he called out MML with his two wolf team bit:

I can't believe nobody else is considering that lar slipped that he knew that there were two teams

although I dont really understand how this could be a slip. I think that Lar was just saying something out of stream of thought and dbp attached some needless significance to this post. Maybe he can explain a little bit? Anywho, I like his tone because it is typical of a good dbp town game. DBP is a +null/town toneread for me.

Rzr, I really have no idea what this guy is doing. I don't have anything to help my reads on him. I await your future posts good sir.

Actually, not fully moot, since you were scum I'd be forced to take Charu's point seriously. He's right - your town meta is more predominantly displayed here thus far

I am really only quoting this post because it backs me up. I am taking this game seriously and I really want to help my fellow townies out.

Charu is null for me. He has obviously receded into some sort of dementia with infrequent revelations of character.

...Wow, those were such a starkingly different type of posts Mr. Benguin made.

Or maybe it's just weird to see him write curses. I feel like he never does that.

This quote regarding benguin is well put. It has made me think more about benguins style of posting. Other than that, there has been nothing else for me to help read charu.
Ill also post this quote because it backs me up as well.

...Wow, I'm just gonna go ahead and put you at locked clear statis of being a human now.

This is one of the bests posts you've made.

I got nothing on Gradiant. Null for me, a good policy lynch for no submissions if we choose to go that route for first lynch.

thesunfan: I have no idea how this guy plays. He has responded a lot to others posts and not a whole lot of original stuff.

I kind of see what people are saying about Town being lazy, like its not even necessarily wrong, but people who are saying that are likely people not doing too much themselves
#halfashot

I like this post because it basically made me give forth my reads list. I think that is townie thing to do. I am trying harder so I can set a good example for town. I want to see more reads list, more good questions, and definitely more activity. thesunfan is null/+town for me.

Ok, so this is what I got. What say you in your defenses?

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

rzr must be writing one hell of a post lol

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

I'm most interested in why rzr is reading me scum

the last time he read me scum was when he was trying to push a mislynch on me in the slopefiring game

there's also something still missing in his posts but I'll wait for his big post to say what it is

You're on the fence for me, now. It's in the big post, which is complete I'm just tidying it up. I made some comments about where I was going, then I went back to about page 10-15 or so and reread. I saw a little more justification for where you were coming from, giving you back some town points.

one sec

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

rzr must be writing one hell of a post lol

it's the reading of a jillion posts that is so time consuming
that and I got chewed out for quote walls so I'm trying to keep it sweet and simple (ish)

[rzr]

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Even if DaBackPack rolled wolf, he provided enough contribution to this thread to not be currently considered "a potential wolf lynch".

This stood out to me as a little odd. What info did he provide that suits you to keep him alive? I haven't even looked at backpack not once, I will after this, but last game you said you thought it would be better top lynch people who would yield more information.

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I don't like how reuben proposed we lynch choof or haku to confirm the other. they're both pretty town this game, but using flips to confirm other people is bad at this point in the game. we should wait for night actions before lynching based off of flips. and this is why we should kill lurker, or botchi/rzr/MML today

This too leaves me with a sour feeling. When Haku first started saying me and botchi are his biggest suspicions AA was the only one to call Haku out and say why are those "obvious lynches."

Now, Haku says me being neutral is okay, though I don't know if that's because of analyzing other people or just dropping a suspicion on me.
But, more importantly, it feels like massive self-pres from AA, I'll have to backtrack and see if he had any suspicions on Lurker to begin with. I also don't understand what town seems to gain information-wise with me, lurker, or botchi dead, since we seem to have the least interactions. Though I don't have any true suspects yet myself either.

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at this point, I went back to the start (ish)
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i hope the fruit vendor sends me a nice juicy fruit! that role is awesome xD

charu and AA arent on a weird fake wolf team this time. I think one of them might be a special role

what makes you say this? you certainly shouldn't know this

botchi

I don't like botchi trying to call out a pr, but he may have just been saying since AA and Charu aren't acting as jokingly compatible (when idt either of them were actually scum last game??), which I think is a very fair point.
And AA's reaction saying " you shouldn't know this," that sits with me wrong.

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i hope the fruit vendor sends me a nice juicy fruit! that role is awesome xD

charu and AA arent on a weird fake wolf team this time. I think one of them might be a special role

I'm instantly suspicious of people calling out reuben for inactivity

choof said it first, but then AA and Haku went after that low-hanging fruit

not that he doesn't need to post, but calling him out is not going to earn town points despite being "pro-town"

Unless he's going for a distraction and ben is scum, but I don't think a wolf dbp would be so open about this, it's good town points in my book

i hope the fruit vendor sends me a nice juicy fruit! that role is awesome xD

charu and AA arent on a weird fake wolf team this time. I think one of them might be a special role

going to make this more specific

why are charu and AA not on a wolf team?

This works for me, but it puts another nail in botchi.

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http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4397576&postcount=302

This post reassures me a bit about AA going back to the null/town side. His reasons for looking at me make a lot more sense than I thought they did originally. Though I still stand by what I said and AA had his own bout of "if I were a wolf" after coming at me for saying it lol. I don't see this post as scummy from AA.

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Yo.

Just, the way he's reaponding. That's the vibe I'm getting atm.

This does not seem genuine to me at all. I hope he expands on it.

I'll concede that your probably more on point with this

Do you recommend I unvote him?

And he didn't. Is this like reverse sheeping?

if you choose to answer anything at all, lar

what is your read on AA

Except I already kind of addressed it tbh. No point in me going on about it so I won't.

But hey, speaking of wolfy things, revenge-votes is all the more reason to suspect Choof since he'll know I'm not on his side and I'm just as good as of a target as any townfolk.

Not feeling the love, he's clearly not trying, and the next post he just says he's leaving (life).

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would you like me to link multiple games that will cement into your brain my town meta vs my wolf meta?

Yes, please.
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Who is relevant lurker

I could ask you the same thing.

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This post http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=476
I just want to comment on since everyone has mentioned in in one way or another: I was saying I don't think Charu is a wolf, and I know I'm not. I wanted to see who actually thought Charu and I were serious and gauge their reactions, specifically about Charu.
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Lies

So what do you think of Sunfan this game?

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

I'm pretty comfy with that. Not as organized as I wanted, but I wanna get a reads list up while this is all still fresh in my mind.

[choof]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

Yes, please.

town game

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=138797

wolf game, bowser

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=139616

sunfan can probably remember games better than I can, I don't remember the actual names of the games I've played thus far

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

MML has dug himself a little pit into the wolf's den. I think, even though he is a newbie, he has had some pretty bad comments and was very defensive regarding choof and AA. He has also been backpacking quite a bit, which is prolly what a newb does most of all anyways, considering how I backpacked a lot of the FreezeWars game.

This is a good example after zenith said this exact same thing


Ok, so this is what I got. What say you in your defenses?

To be fair, I feel you are taking that quote a little out of context as Zenith mealy beat me to it. I think posting reads under the assumption of "it's a town thing to do" after alot of people have commented that you seem scummy in theirs is a better example of backpacking, although you re still TBD for me.

[botchi246]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

Rzr that.fake wolf team was from the bastard game. They were going back.and forth about being.on a wolf team. It was just banter

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

What do you think about sunfan, botchi? And who do you think is relevant as far as a good candidate or so for today?

[botchi246]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game On! D1)

I did post my read list. Did you read them?