TWG XV - #twgxv (Humans Win. Huzzah.)

[alainbryden]

him desperately trying to come up with explainations why he's not a wolf all point to him being guilty.

What kind a bullshit excuse for a misleading statement is that crap. I wasn't struggling desperately for anything. I was telling the truth and you were stubbornly and stupidly ignoring everything I said, everytime I said it. I said the same thing every time. I was thinking of the last game when you said that, it's clear to anyone who's actually read the conversation, and you've been stretching that one piece of bullshit further than it's humanly possible to take it. Give up on the idiot theory.

[alainbryden]

Chardish and I have previously posted more in-depth analyses of why we think he's a wolf.

And I've allready argued your points countless times in chat, and in the thread, and you still act as if their integrity is unchanged without so much as responding to my defence.

[alainbryden]

Alain, please tell me why aperson (a confirmed wolf) would try to save you? Especially you, being a strong player in this game. It's is highly unlikely. If a wolf can get a power player lynched on the 1st day, then they will.

to build credibility.

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or to take me down in the event he was figured out? It's not that hard to understand it in more than just the ways that makes me appear to be a wolf allison.

[alainbryden]

Look, I'm analysing myself, and I notice things that make you all look completely ignorant. You can't even suggest I've been acting like a wolf. The past 3 games or 4 or 5 I have no clue, I have been a wolf.
-I have been quiet.
-I have been inactive.
-I have been short in defending people.
-I have been manipulative.
-I have been avoiding conversations with people.
-I have been skipping chat meetings.
-I have been voting people with shifty evidence and making half-assed attempts to justify it.
When I am a wolf, I play like shit, and it gets noticed.

-When was the last time I posted a summary of all the people I had opinions of in the game, like I did this one? When I was human.
-When was the last time I kept a TWG voting guide, so that I could analyse the voting and posting patterns of people? When I was human.
-When was the last time I haven't givin up when I was so close to death? When I was human.
-I have been the second most active person in the game, in spite of the fact that I probably get less internet time then any of you.
-I have been posting the guide.
-I have been making multiple person analyses.
-I have been striving to vote only when I felt it was fully justified.
-I've been having countless aim conversations with Eva, Tasselfoot, aperson, Talisman TWG Chat, talking with whorlichan, spheroid, matt, anyone who I could to read into them and also to explain myself clearly.

How can you all be so ignorant to the facts and only do what is obviously so simple: killing all the players that you are afraid are better than you.

[Tasselfoot]

Guys... would someone mind doing research for me? TWG6, 8, and 12 are games in which Alain was human/blue and lost. TWG 5, 10, 13, 14 are games in which Alain was a wolf and lost.

Could someone please compare how he reacted when lynched in those games?

Lynched on day 3 in TWG6. Only human game where he has been lynched.
Lynched day 3 in TWG5... this was the game he was a fake seer to me/ld. He gave up, but vowed never to do that again.
TWG10... devil, lost at the end of the game after playing well all game. Wasn't lynched.
TWG13... he killed himself on night 2.
TWG14... he was toast because of my PMs, but I can't remember how he reacted, as I was already dead.

[alainbryden]

Since I'm the one fighting for my life, I assume I'm the only one that will do it. I suggest you all do as well so that you don't assume my recount is bias.

[JurseyRider734]

If you are a wolf, and you're trying to save your ass, you'll leave shit out so that you'll make yourself look human. Better let someone else do it.

[talisman]

This is interesting, actually. That convo with ap would have to be well-faked if they are indeed connected. It still leaves me to wonder why ap defended you and why he didn't vote for you. It could be possible that he didn't want to vote for you in order to not to look wolfy, as in looking like "the guy who put the experienced player back up on the chopping block." I need to think about this some more.

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[nforcer06164]

Alain, I would defend you if I thought think the whole ap/Alain defense thing was not suspicious, but to put it bluntly, it is. I have learned from the past, however, that such fierce defenses don't always mean an association of some sorts. Yet, I'm not going to say that that is definitely the case this time, or any time, for that matter. The conversation you had with ap would be your only saving grace at this point (I don't think anyone really took time to read it), but I wouldn't completely rule out the fact that the conversation was staged or conjured. Because I have mixed feelings on the whole thing, I'm holding off a vote on you. You are my top choice at the moment, though.

On a side note: tomorrow is the climax of this issue I've been going through. Whether I will have an opportunity to post, or if I will even feel like it, all depends on exactly what happens. I'll put my best effort into trying to make a vote before the day ends, though.

[JurseyRider734]

TWG 6: Alain's responses to his bandwagon of votes:

Honestly, look back at what I've done and said. There's no way I could have said any of those things if I were a wolf. No one in hell would risk it. We all saw where the fake seer bit got me last came. Also, there's nothing in tps' post to make me think he's human, He still ahs that strange, circular reasoning, and weak point against his post.

Shi!, well, as of right now, Omegantros is the best choice because he has made 0 posts since the last game, has way too much evidence riding against him, and after the way this game has been played so far, a wolf probably figures the best way to win is to say nothing at all and be overlooked. We can't affort to risk letting people sit on the sidelines, but I'm coming back for you tps.

Quite calm, not overracting or cursing off anyone. Is a human this game.

As in TWG 5, he was lynched on Day 3 as well:

I lose

Obvious response, he was caught faking seer. Nothing to argue about.


There's not really much to go on, considering all the times that alain lost he was wolfed or was lynched with a rather calm argument. He hasn't been a wolf and had to argue about it. He could be act either way and his role probably wouldn't be able to be told on how he reacted to his votes.

[talisman]

To add to that, in 14 he never really defended himself that strongly when it was his turn on the chopping block, but he did fight hard for guido two days prior to that.

[JurseyRider734]

I looked at all of them, nothing really stood out. This is the first time alain's been a wolf and doesn't have the whole fake seer thing against him. The only time he's had to fight against a ton of votes for an instalynch was when he was human, and acted calmly. Best bet is this is how alain acts when he's a wolf, unless he's changed the way he responds to things. One way or another, he's definitely scrambling to save himself and his only defense is that i'm too ignorant to believe that he's not lying to me. I'm not going for it, my vote remains.

[alainbryden]

TWG5

NEIGH006: Tass , no hard feelings
NEIGH006: it was good
TasselFoot: it was good... until you killed blahblah.
NEIGH006: I didn't know who the seer was obviously, so it was random bad luck
TasselFoot: yup. so who else was in on it?
NEIGH006: ; ) like I'm telling you who I worked with

TWG6

Honestly, look back at what I've done and said. There's no way I could have said any of those things if I were a wolf. No one in hell would risk it. We all saw where the fake seer bit got me last came. Also, there's nothing in tps' post to make me think he's human, He still ahs that strange, circular reasoning, and weak point against his post.

At this point I had only 3 votes, tied with omeganitros, then before I could say anything else I was instalynched. Very different.

Nice try Eva, but you're dumb selective posting won't work on me. You do it enough anyways. I'm sure everyone's used to what you say being completely wrong.
TWGXII

As I said blah, my personal statement saying that I hope I get wolfed had nothing to do with the game and I understand that the statement cannot follow, therefore you should not be basing your suspicion on it. You, infact, did not make it clear to me how you that statement was such a fundamental part of your suspicion, just that it was in and of itself an off thing to say and I agree. In addition to this, I do not say nothing in my post. I say plenty, and plenty valid. If there is going to be someone like you finding every hint of misbehaviour in anyone, I at least balance it by giving plausible excuses for the most possible misconceptions, thus clearing a few names and adding a bit more order to the dissaray of mistrust.

note calm. Then at risk of being lynched the next day, I risked killing myself and died.

TWG XIV

It seems this has all been planned several days back.

Guido first, now I am lynched without consideration of my circumstance.
I guess my strategy from the beginning cornered me for the finish.
Veritably, I didn’t even think people would let me live this long.
Even though I think me saving Guido was a move that seems human, more than wolf.

Ultimately, I made some important points that apply outside of this game too.
Personally, although Alain lost, I think he won a bit too

All other games I wasn't at risk of lynch as a human or wolf at any point.

[alainbryden]

I'm posting this because in this conversation with Whorli, I am all too concerned by the way she does not feel the need to justify her vote. I know nothing, if she's blue and in on the alliance or something and thinks she therefore has immunity to caring about the game, but I take such ambiguity in conviction wolfish, It's absolutely classic, and never changes. Whorli takes my vote, and poses, in my eyes, the alternative that so many people are lazy to find, even if they no longer think voting me is the best option. I certainly hope that after my efforts, my justification has been understood.

I've started using time stamps because the speed of response makes all the difference in a conversation.

NEIGH006 (11:07:51 PM): are you there?
Auto response from WhorliChan (11:07:52 PM): i love my mishpucha

WhorliChan (11:07:58 PM): sort of
WhorliChan (11:08:00 PM): what's up?
NEIGH006 (11:08:03 PM): Well
NEIGH006 (11:08:13 PM): Other than Eva, you have the most contempt for me in TWG
WhorliChan (11:08:21 PM): i have no contempt for you
NEIGH006 (11:08:24 PM): and I want to ease your suspitions
WhorliChan (11:08:27 PM): i just think you are very very suspicious
NEIGH006 (11:08:30 PM): I used the wrong workd
NEIGH006 (11:08:32 PM): *word
NEIGH006 (11:08:48 PM): you have the most conviction against me then
NEIGH006 (11:09:01 PM): Eva doesn't have anything but spite really
WhorliChan (11:09:06 PM): ok, because i am at this point convinced that you are wolfenstein.
NEIGH006 (11:09:19 PM): how come?
WhorliChan (11:10:07 PM): fishy fishy! you and aperson seem to be so chummy (and i've seen your rebuttals to this, so don't start) and we know he was a wolf
NEIGH006 (11:10:09 PM): sorry if I just invited you to a chat
WhorliChan (11:10:22 PM): for 14? wtf, mate
NEIGH006 (11:10:31 PM): yeah, I put the wrong one
WhorliChan (11:10:47 PM): you're not acting like yourself, as you have seemed to act in other games
WhorliChan (11:10:58 PM): i mean, what do you want me to say, really? call it a hansian gut instinct.
NEIGH006 (11:11:12 PM): in other games I have been a wolf
NEIGH006 (11:11:17 PM): how can you say I'm not acting like myself
NEIGH006 (11:11:26 PM): and I can't deny that I seemed very close to ap
WhorliChan (11:11:39 PM): so you're saying you're acting like yourself, which is a wolf?
NEIGH006 (11:11:40 PM): I talked to him alot, because he required me to justify myself to him
NEIGH006 (11:11:52 PM): I'm saying I'm acting like I used to act
NEIGH006 (11:11:56 PM): when I was a human
NEIGH006 (11:12:05 PM): I outlined my behaviour in this game
NEIGH006 (11:12:08 PM): relative to past games
NEIGH006 (11:13:40 PM): gut instincts are usually based on your subconscious picking up on cues that you can't consciously place.
NEIGH006 (11:13:58 PM): but even your subconscious can misinterpret things
NEIGH006 (11:14:13 PM): Hans is different, he get's feelings before the game even starts
WhorliChan (11:16:07 PM): hans is speshul
WhorliChan (11:16:15 PM): i'm not going to change my vote tonight
WhorliChan (11:16:21 PM): and you're highly likely to get insta'd
NEIGH006 (11:16:27 PM): yeah no kidding
NEIGH006 (11:16:39 PM): and I don't want to die because people are to lazy to look for a better target
WhorliChan (11:17:08 PM): i'm not lazy. i believe in my convictions
WhorliChan (11:17:13 PM): and now it's family time again...
WhorliChan (11:17:18 PM): good night
NEIGH006 (11:17:26 PM): I would appreciate the chance to discuss your convictions
NEIGH006 (11:17:31 PM): rather than your certainty of them
NEIGH006 (11:17:35 PM): the reasons behind them
WhorliChan (11:17:37 PM): ok. i should be back before midnight.
WhorliChan (11:17:42 PM): pst, that is
NEIGH006 (11:17:53 PM): I have to go in 45 minutes
WhorliChan (11:17:59 PM): i have to go NOW
NEIGH006 (11:18:07 PM): allright, don't worry about it Orli
WhorliChan (11:18:11 PM): so, continue im'ing if you think you can convince me
WhorliChan (11:18:16 PM): i'll read it when i get back
NEIGH006 (11:18:36 PM): Everything I had to say in my defense is in the thread.
NEIGH006 (11:18:41 PM): I've answer every question posed there
NEIGH006 (11:18:52 PM): and it seems most of what you're still questioning is answered there
NEIGH006 (11:19:03 PM): everything except who would be a better alternative.

[JurseyRider734]

Nice try Eva, but you're dumb selective posting won't work on me. You do it enough anyways. I'm sure everyone's used to what you say being completely wrong.

Nice try, Alain, but I posted the two things you said after all the votes got on you. In no way did I select what I saw or did I not post anything that you didn't say after getting your votes placed on you in those two TWGs. Next time go and read it and see where I got it from before you start being an antagonist, wolf.