TWG XV - #twgxv (Humans Win. Huzzah.)

[JurseyRider734]

If the psychic is alive, and has seen chardish as a wolf, please come to me. I NEED blues to contact me. We NEED to get the last wolf TODAY.

[alainbryden]

It also wouldn't hurt for the psychic to post who he is. That means the alliance is stronger, and everyone knows whether chardish is a wolf. It shouldn't matter if the psychic reveals himself, because his role is no longer important IF we have gotten the third wolf. That means when the last wolf is killed, the game will be over and the psychic doesn't have to worry about reports, or being a critical target.

If anyone sees something wrong with this please tell me.

If chardish wasn't a wolf then say so and Jursey dies now.
If chardish was a wolf then Jursey is human and I've been set up.
The fact that Tass is dead proves this, because he of all people would have understood this. He's the one that suggested it to me. Of course I cannot prove this, but I will try to reiterate his reasoning if necessary.

[alainbryden]

I'm also going to take a wild guess and say the guardian is dead because Tass was the only player worth guarding last night. At all.

[alainbryden]

I just thought. If the psychic is dead, then we need to wait for the seer to look at jurs.

I just thought of something else.
If chardish was human, and Jurs was the wolf, there is one other wolf. If they know the psychic/seer/all the blues are dead, then they could pretend to be them. We have to be wary of this.

[alainbryden]

sorry for so many different posts.

We NEED to get the last wolf TODAY.

*in the next 5 days


And don't think I don't know you have me in mind. You're wrong.

[Kefit]

Sorry about my inactivity guys, but I hope this post will help you forgive me a bit

I am the psychic, and there is one wolf left (that is, Chardish was indeed a wolf). I come out with this for several reasons:

Both the seer and the psychic are definitely alive. Both were alive day three, as Tass was able to give a report out from both of them. Neither died last night, as Tass was the vigilante, and Chardish was not a blue (otherwise Tass would not have given him an insta-lynch). Furthermore, the seer and the psychic know who eachother are, as Tass was confident that each was telling the truth (since he shared their reports with us all) and he would thus have no reason not to tell them of eachother.

This means that if I am not the psychic, that both the real psychic and the seer can reveal themselves and say so, and get me lynched. The wolves cannot pretend to be those roles and do this, since they only have one wolf left (or if I am a wolf, they have a maximum of two left, but then the whole point is moot). Then, if the game didn't end after I was lynched, then you guys could just lynch jurs and the game would definitely be over.

Furthermore, now that Tass is dead, the blues need a voice. Since my role as psychic is now over, due to there being only one wolf left, I will take over this role.

I'll post thoughts on who we should look at as that final wolf later, but for now I am in kind of a rush.

[Tasselfoot]

Fuck.

GL... and, I just want to point out that this is the THIRD game out of 4 (3rd straight where I wasn't killed night 1) I would have been MVP if not for being killed night 4 or later. TWG12, TWG14, TWG15.

This is seriously depressing me.... like, big time.

[flypie743]

NEIGH006 (6:22:39 PM): blah-2 posts
NEIGH006 (6:23:10 PM): matt - 6 posts
NEIGH006 (6:23:19 PM): mead 7
NEIGH006 (6:23:23 PM): neon 8
NEIGH006 (6:23:28 PM): and nforcer 9
NEIGH006 (6:23:31 PM): and whorli 6

Blah making only 2 posts? That isn't like him at all. If I remember correctly, while watching last game, blah turned out to be a wolf..he wasn't very active then either.

What's up with all of these unactive people. Come on guys, we have one more wolf left, and we need full participation.

[JurseyRider734]

Alright, now that everyone knows i'm human and suspicions have been released, I want the other blues, or blue, to contact me if they are still alive. We need to bring all of our suspicions together and make a decision.

[whorlichan]

Well...I tried to make a valid post as to why I'm suspicious of flypie, based on her previous voting history and lack of solid posts (many of her posts are arguing about instalynch, chardish's ss thingy, and arguing about why she doesn't need to justify her votes) but she comes off as too human in the long run.

This annoys me, because other than alain she was my biggest wolfdar blip. At this point, I'm not really sure what to do other than continue my vote for alain because he's still just as suspicious as before.

BTW--I think the seer's more important to guard than Tass, don't you all agree?

[JurseyRider734]

Okay guys.

What if this wasn't a plan? What if Tps really WAS telling the truth. We know Chardish and Tps were wolves, and the conversation wasn't faked. Why would they lie to eachother? We know i'm a human, so look at this:

This Is Chardish (8:53:06 PM): When Alain dies (if he does), I need people to be able to look back at the vote record and see that I strongly contested him.
Tps7910 (8:53:18 PM): I have a real bad feeling I'm going to get seered
This Is Chardish (8:53:21 PM): You can't let Alain die.
This Is Chardish (8:53:47 PM): If Alain dies, the psychic knows he was a wolf, and then Jurs is a confirmed human.

I'm going on them really telling the truth. My vote is on alain for now.

[flypie743]

Both Alain and I thought some good points were bought up in our conversation this afternoon, and we both agreed that it was worth posting:

flypie743 (6:21:07 PM): so how's TWG going for ya
NEIGH006 (6:21:08 PM): I take it you wanted to talk
flypie743 (6:21:10 PM): yep
NEIGH006 (6:21:15 PM): it's going good
NEIGH006 (6:21:18 PM): one wolf left
flypie743 (6:21:38 PM): yep
flypie743 (6:21:50 PM): you have your suspicions, I presume
NEIGH006 (6:22:12 PM): well there's a bunch of people who have still made less than 5 posts the entire game
flypie743 (6:22:25 PM): blah being one of them
flypie743 (6:22:30 PM): who else?
NEIGH006 (6:22:39 PM): blah-2 posts
flypie743 (6:22:42 PM): nforcer possibly. neontronais (or however you spell it)
NEIGH006 (6:22:44 PM): guido 4 posts
NEIGH006 (6:22:48 PM): well he's dead now
flypie743 (6:22:50 PM): yeah
NEIGH006 (6:22:59 PM): kefit - 1
NEIGH006 (6:23:03 PM): but we just found out he's psychic
flypie743 (6:23:09 PM): yes
NEIGH006 (6:23:10 PM): matt - 6 posts
NEIGH006 (6:23:19 PM): mead 7
NEIGH006 (6:23:23 PM): neon 8
NEIGH006 (6:23:28 PM): and nforcer 9
NEIGH006 (6:23:31 PM): and whorli 6
flypie743 (6:23:34 PM): how many have I made?
NEIGH006 (6:23:36 PM): so many inactives
flypie743 (6:23:37 PM): out of curiosity
flypie743 (6:23:38 PM): XD
NEIGH006 (6:23:38 PM): you've made 12
flypie743 (6:23:44 PM): haha
flypie743 (6:25:52 PM): so there is the suspicion that you could be the MW
NEIGH006 (6:26:00 PM): I know, and I can't help that
NEIGH006 (6:26:34 PM): I still think it could be someone like blah or whorli but I don't now how I can work with that
flypie743 (6:26:43 PM): yeah
NEIGH006 (6:26:54 PM): they've been out of the game only Tass knew who had been seen and so on
NEIGH006 (6:26:58 PM): I'm out of the loop
flypie743 (6:27:04 PM): yeah same
NEIGH006 (6:27:36 PM): wait
NEIGH006 (6:27:41 PM): do we know that TPS wasn't the MW?
flypie743 (6:27:47 PM): no clue
flypie743 (6:27:53 PM): do we even know if ap wasn't the MW
flypie743 (6:27:55 PM): or no wait
flypie743 (6:27:57 PM): he was seered
flypie743 (6:28:01 PM): was chardish seered?
NEIGH006 (6:28:11 PM): no...
NEIGH006 (6:28:13 PM): he wasn't either
NEIGH006 (6:28:20 PM): TPS wasn't seered
NEIGH006 (6:28:26 PM): because Chardish sacrificed him
NEIGH006 (6:28:34 PM): to try to get suspicion off himself / set me up
NEIGH006 (6:28:39 PM): I still don't know what happened
NEIGH006 (6:28:49 PM): I thought we were in it together when our names came up
flypie743 (6:28:52 PM): so possibly TPS or Chardish could've been the MW
NEIGH006 (6:28:54 PM): but then he's a wolf
NEIGH006 (6:29:08 PM): yeah, Tass said that chardish was asking to be seenh
NEIGH006 (6:29:11 PM): and so he saw me
flypie743 (6:29:36 PM): well
flypie743 (6:29:46 PM): do you think chardish would be one to ask to be seered even if he wasn't the MW
NEIGH006 (6:29:59 PM): no, he was asking to be seen yesterday
NEIGH006 (6:30:06 PM): when everyone was suspicious of him and me
NEIGH006 (6:30:08 PM): still are
flypie743 (6:30:22 PM): ah
NEIGH006 (6:30:28 PM): infact, I'm still surprised Tass didn't see hi8m
NEIGH006 (6:30:36 PM): or it might have been reverse psychology
flypie743 (6:30:41 PM): possibly
NEIGH006 (6:30:50 PM): asking so that Tass would think he's either the Mw or human so it's not worth seeing him
flypie743 (6:30:50 PM): I'm still pretty suspicious of you, I have to admit
NEIGH006 (6:31:07 PM): you didn't have to admit it
flypie743 (6:31:11 PM): heh
flypie743 (6:31:54 PM): chardish did make the ties a bit clear, but then the chance that you are the MW is rather slim, especially since we have already gotten rid of 3 wolves
flypie743 (6:32:04 PM): and chardish + TPS weren't seered
NEIGH006 (6:33:38 PM): yes
NEIGH006 (6:33:47 PM): I jsut
NEIGH006 (6:33:53 PM): I don't understand why my name came up
NEIGH006 (6:33:59 PM): when TPS and Chardish did their thing
flypie743 (6:34:01 PM): yeah
NEIGH006 (6:34:07 PM): you think Chardish actually went behind TPS' back?
flypie743 (6:34:14 PM): do I?
NEIGH006 (6:34:14 PM): of that they planned it and something messed up
NEIGH006 (6:34:19 PM): yeah
NEIGH006 (6:34:36 PM): also, they wouldn't sacrifice both of themselves just to set me up
NEIGH006 (6:34:47 PM): maybe something went wrong and they thought they'd take me out with them
NEIGH006 (6:34:57 PM): I have no clue AT ALL why my name is in there
NEIGH006 (6:35:02 PM): if both of them are wolves
flypie743 (6:35:24 PM): if both are wolves, i doubt they would put the other wolf's name in there to begin with when they started planning it
flypie743 (6:35:27 PM): that's just =/
NEIGH006 (6:35:32 PM): wait
NEIGH006 (6:35:35 PM): what about this
flypie743 (6:35:37 PM): but maybe that's what they wanted us to think, who knows
NEIGH006 (6:35:41 PM): Chardish does try to fuck over TPS
NEIGH006 (6:35:45 PM): for his own credibility
flypie743 (6:35:47 PM): right
NEIGH006 (6:35:55 PM): TPS took revenge
NEIGH006 (6:36:06 PM): but at first he said he wouldn't release the name of the third wolf
NEIGH006 (6:36:33 PM): maybe in taking revenge against Chardish, as he intended too and had the right too, he then helped out his last wolf by setting me up as being the "third wolf"
flypie743 (6:36:52 PM): yep, it's possible
flypie743 (6:37:05 PM): now just who that third wolf is =/
flypie743 (6:37:16 PM): we're not getting anywhere in the thread because so many people are inactive
<This part of the conversation was left out due to endangerment>
NEIGH006 (6:43:34 PM): se we can't really tell who any of the special roles are because we aren't one ourselves. They know who it would be ridiculous to be suspicious of, but we have no clue
NEIGH006 (6:43:36 PM): or I don't
NEIGH006 (6:43:40 PM): you may be one under cover
flypie743 (6:43:55 PM): no just human
flypie743 (6:43:59 PM): =(
flypie743 (6:44:48 PM): I wish I knew because now we really can't know who to vote off. We have no idea if 3 or alive or if 2 or alive
NEIGH006 (6:45:19 PM): well
NEIGH006 (6:45:24 PM): aperson was seen
NEIGH006 (6:45:26 PM): and vigi'd
NEIGH006 (6:45:28 PM): one down for sure
NEIGH006 (6:45:34 PM): chardish was psychiced
NEIGH006 (6:45:43 PM): *psychik'd
NEIGH006 (6:45:45 PM): after dying
NEIGH006 (6:46:00 PM): assuming the psychic is really kefit
flypie743 (6:46:08 PM): yes
NEIGH006 (6:46:12 PM): and not, as I said, a wolf in disguise, knowing that special roles are dead
NEIGH006 (6:46:19 PM): which is possible
NEIGH006 (6:46:36 PM): finally, if kefit is the psychic, and TPS weren't a wolf
flypie743 (6:46:36 PM): true
NEIGH006 (6:46:40 PM): he would have said so
NEIGH006 (6:46:44 PM): so that's 3 down for sure
flypie743 (6:46:55 PM): brb gotta put laundry in
NEIGH006 (6:46:58 PM): okay
NEIGH006 signed off at 6:53:32 PM.

[nforcer06164]

There may be two reasons that Tass died last night that I can think of...

A) The guardian is dead.
B) The seer was in some sort of danger and was a better guarding choice.

I'm not sure which to think. I never thought the wolves would try to kill off players like Guido and Spheroid (especially since Spheroid had such a weak grip on what was going on in this game), but they did. Why make such a bold move to kill Tass all of a sudden?

Now knowing that Chardish was a wolf, I'm dead-set on alain. In case you didn't read my posts about this before or missed something, I'll make it very clear.

- Alain was in danger of being lynched. Nobody can say that he wouldn't have been lynched; there is no credible evidence in this case to support that. Chardish (wolf) comes in and condemns TPS (also wolf) by staging a "wrong window" conversation. So, people vote TPS and lynch him.

- Alain was seered as human. So, either he really is human, or he's the MW.

- Chardish, whether you realize it or not, saved alain. Why would a wolf save someone like alain, who would be valuable to the human side if he is human, rather than let him die and post the conversation the next day? Obvious. Why let a master wolf die, threatening yourself if the seer is still around, when you can sacrifice a "lesser wolf", in this case, TPS.

- TPS was obviously upset about this. Heck, I would be, too. So, as revenge, he posted that Chardish was another wolf. He said he wouldn't reveal the other. Why? His inital idea was probably, "Don't reveal the MW. Give them a bit of a chance." Then he changed his mind, thinking, "What the hell, I don't owe those backstabbing wolves a thing!" and then posted alain's name.

The evidence is damning, alain. Let's just end this game, already.

[talisman]

alain

It doesn't make sense for TPS to have just faked a small part of the convo. Like nforcer said, at that point he was pissed, and didn't care.

I just give you and ap props for having the foresight to pretend as though you guys didn't know each other for a convo.

[JurseyRider734]

Alain - 4

6 votes to instalynch.

Please NO ONE ELSE vote for alain. I want to see what kind of evidence he comes up with other than "they're lying and trying to condemn me!".