TWG CLIII - Cha Cha Got 'Em! - Game Thread

[Tokzic]

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Nobody is commenting on how I literally caught Ant in a lie.
Am I wrong guys?

I wouldn't call it a lie, but I don't understand why he would say such a thing and it looks peculiar. All of Ant's posts read like he's nervous...

[Red Blaster]

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hey xiz / rb

what are the odds scum team is DRG / Mario / Antr

that'd be funny right

Eh I'm not so sure of Mario or Drizz, but it could be a thing..I'm feeling danceguy as a wolf more than any of those two right now.

I remember Drizz had those posts where she was pseudo defending blind in D0 so it could potentially hold water if we lynched Ant and he flipped wolf, but what is the case on MN again?

[Tokzic]

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I just read Roundbox's analyses on the blind wagon and I'm fucking confused.

He points out three places botchi looks strange on D1 before voting for Blind at 3 min to EOD, then comes to the conclusion he looks towny.

Then he points out just the fact that I voted for Blind at 3 min to EOD and thinks it looks scummy.

what

[roundbox]

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I just read Roundbox's analyses on the blind wagon and I'm fucking confused.

He points out three places botchi looks strange on D1 before voting for Blind at 3 min to EOD, then comes to the conclusion he looks towny.

Then he points out just the fact that I voted for Blind at 3 min to EOD and thinks it looks scummy.

what

It's only scummy because you popped in super, super late and had no other votes or even a list of suspects or anything substantial throughout the whole phase. And on botchi, his vote on DRG wasn't going to make any differences, so his vote on blind makes sense since it was actually viable in context. I never put him as ULTRA LOCK TOWN status, and is essentially only leaning town for me.

This next bit of logic extends to you: botchi nor you were trying to "save" storn with a vote, as some wolves might attempt to get their partners out of a shitty situation, so this helps your cases a little bit.

[Arntonach]

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I wouldn't call it a lie, but I don't understand why he would say such a thing and it looks peculiar. All of Ant's posts read like he's nervous...

This is because in every game I've been in, I was a townie that got lynched very quickly. I'd just like to last a little longer than a day or two, or at least get killed by the wolves this time.

[dAnceguy117]

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Yeah let's just gloss over a potentially random train getting going

that's a great idea

pretty much.

ok I could have used more words there lol, was in a hurry. to me, it's not really different from a wagon around early d0. pile on a few votes, see what happens. the meta in FFRTWG is that everyone (including wolves, b/c they'd get lynched instantly) is insanely afraid of an insta ever happening. there's no risk, it's fun, you can see who else will vote.

again, I appear to be at odds with a fair amount of the community here as far as overarching concepts go, but maybe you can see where I'm comin' from.

[lurker]

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hey xiz / rb

what are the odds scum team is DRG / Mario / Antr

that'd be funny right

it would be funny because there'd be one fewer wolf than the setup description but i digress

[roundbox]

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storn42 --> storn42
Gradiant --> storn42
DaBacpack --> dAnceguy117
lurker --> AragakiAyase
DaBackpack --> storn42
XelNya --> drizzleRomanceGirl
lurker --> Gradiant
dAnceguy117 --> blindreper1179
storn42 --> dAnceguy117
XelNya --> UNVOTE
DaBackpack --> storn42
drizzleRomanceGirl --> dAnceguy117
dAnceguy117 --> MarioNintendo
dAnceguy117 --> botchi246
dAnceguy117 --> Gradiant
dAnceguy117 --> botchi246
MarioNintendo --> drizzleRomanceGirl
MarioNintendo --> AragakiAyase
MarioNintendo --> drizzleRomanceGirl
lurker --> blindreper1179
storn42 --> Gradiant
botchi246 --> drizzleRomanceGirl
AragakiAyase --> blindreper1179
dAnceguy117 --> MarioNintendo
lurker --> roundbox
DaBackpack --> MarioNintendo
lurker --> blindreper1179
roundbox --> storn42
Red Blaster --> AragakiAyase
XelNya --> storn42
Makilaz --> Makilaz
Makilaz --> UNVOTE
DaBackpack --> storn42
dAnceguy117 --> blindreper1179
storn42 --> blindreper1179
botchi246 --> blindreper1179
Tokzic --> blindreper1179
dAnceguy117 --> botchi246
dAnceguy117 --> storn42

Next candidate for observation is STORN. storn flipped town, so let's take a nice gander at the voters.

storn42 - Gradiant/Xiz, roundbox, Xelnya, DaBackpack, dAnceguy

First voter is Gradiant (now occupied by Xiz)

Holy SHIT is this not suspicious as hell. This vote carried on throughout the entire phase and was made at about 11 AM SERVER TIME on the 2nd, which means it was a whole 60 HOURS before the phase ended. I dug through his post history, and he had some heavy suspicions on both lurker and botchi. One of his big dislikes for lurker was his vote on him, which bleeds a little OMGUS. lurker never really carried that vote anywhere, so I'm not sure why he had such a negative reaction. Gradiant was heavily suspicious of everyone and very probing, so this vote is really starting to feel more and more weird. His posts say one thing (town leany), but the fact he stuck his vote on storn 60 hours before phase end makes it very, very gross to look at.

Storn's current posts make me want to stick with him, his flip would help with drg

I see all of these people suspicious of DRG but not voting her. aaagh

I give Gradiant's voting history a THE CARPETS (vote) DON'T MATCH THE DRAPES (posting) <therefore, quite on the self-fulfilling prophecy side against storn, and probably suspicious and worth looking into at some point. maybe if Xiz wasn't so calm this phase I'd be more on this>

Next candidate is me. I'm town. Don't really need to explain my vote any more.

Next candidate is Xelnya.

106 posts. Yowza. At least I'm really only digging into your voting history. Xelnya's first vote is on DRG. It wasn't really based off of anything and he acknowledges it was a shit play and pretty much a shitpost. He was prodding, so this isn't really anything suspicious. Nothing crazy here.

His next vote is an unvote, retracting his DRG vote for the comments stated previously. Nothing crazy here.

Xelnya's last vote is on storn.

Storn

I am willing to move this pending a good post case made for either drg or blind

Here it is. This was made 17 minutes before phase end. He does get kinda diplomatic with his post in the second line, but let's see what the surrounding posts look like.
uhhhh

My immediate question is why do I see more votes on drg

Enters the phase with this. He hears some opinions on DRG but doesn't really react or resonate with any of them. Why would he be okay with lynching DRG after entering the thread like this??

then dbp's earlier post on storn staying relevant, his newer posts don't really change my agreement with earlier

kinda feelin' the storn vote, talk about AA more during the night, discuss drg, and then blind

seems like a decent plan imho

Here's his proposed lynch order, or something like that. DRG is still on the table, but now as a discussion, and AA was now thrown in the mix before the two. Why did he drop AA? He said there was always room for AA to be wolf since his play in the freeze wars game was strong, so why did he drop him off?? the fuck man

I give this vote history a THE CURTAINS AND THE DRAPES WERE SELECTED BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT INTERIOR DESIGN (really flip floppy with his read on AA and he never really makes a huge justification for his storn vote, either). Not really liking how he got to the storn vote

Next on the wagon is DaBackpack.

DaBackpack has 96 posts so far. Not bad.
His first vote is on dAnceguy and this is pretty fresh out of the gate. It's a reaction to the comment on tokzic's eventual entrance and dAnceguy asking "so how's it feel to roll wolf this time around?" DaBackpack calls this vote a REAL VOTE, in contrast to his other reads being in different parts of his intestine. This is a solid first vote and isn't out of the ordinary at all. Nothing crazy here.
Do note at this point that he is intestine-reading MN as wolf.

His second vote is on storn, saying that he smells like he's wolfing this game. He re-votes storn a second time after his initial post of suspicions, this time armed with evidence. Hey, look, another vote that is based off of evidence. I might start taking back what I said bout DaBackpack being scummy. This changes my mind a little bit. The only reason I was super wary on him is how he dunked someone (pretty sure it was storn) in a previous game and I blindly followed it along with T-Force. It doesn't feel as harsh and as CUHRAAAAAAAAZY as that one, though, so this is fine.

His subsequent vote is on MarioNintendo, about 35 minutes from EOD after doing some isos and having people quote his suspicious stuff. DaBackpack says his initial wariness about MN is his diplomatic tone, and then cements his suspicions with a vote. It's criticized for being angleshooty, and then he brings some evidence to the table in a post where he bolds some suspicious phrases, and then finds his vote on drizzle as being towny. This vote is alright. It's not as clean as his other ones, but his flexibility and very visible train of thought makes it still come out on the town side of things.

His final vote is on storn, who he has a catalog of evidence on, and even prefaced it with an intent to vote. Hm. Not bad, DaBackpack.

I give DaBackpack's voting history a SURPRISED DENTIST FINDING ZERO CAVITIES ON A PATIENT WHO HASN'T VISITED IN 3 YEARS (town)

And the last one is the vote shifting son-of-a-gun, dAnceguy

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do you have so many votes man
FUN FACT: dAnceguy has the number 117 at the end of his username, which is VERY close to blind's numbers of 1179 at the end of his. ohhhhhhh shit

fucking 225 posts, I'm not sure if I have the mental patience to find the ones that have your votes in them, so I might just comment on your voting style in general according to the history that Charu provided.

Your voting history is
blind
MN
botchi
Gradiant
back to botchi
back to MN
back to blind
back to botchi (AGAIN)
storn

The only thing here to really take notice of is the KITB bullshit at the end of the phase. The way you explained your perspective made sense and it tells me that you weren't just a wolf making a bullshit argument to justify a KITB, but a question from me comes up: how the fuck are you living under the same roof of thesunfan and not know that KITBs are garbo?????????
I give your voting history a CHILL THE FUCK DOWN HOLY HELL (your justification on the KITB makes you look clean even though the natural conclusion is that you're scum)

My final evaluation of storn's wagon is THERE ARE MYSTERIOUS PEOPLE HERE AND STATISTICS DICTATE THAT I'M PROBABLY RIGHT

[dAnceguy117]

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how the fuck are you living under the same roof of thesunfan and not know that KITBs are garbo?????????

I have placed a ban on him ever talking to me about the game of werewolf

[dAnceguy117]

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(not really but usually if he's talking to me about mechanics, it's LTWG/dailymafia related)

this game might be getting easier btw.

[lurker]

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lurker's next vote is on me, but he doesn't really do anything with it since the wagon on me doesn't really stick with other players.

you say that as if starting wagons is the only thing i would try to do with a vote

[Tokzic]

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digging roundbox's storn edition of tryharding much more than the blind one, similar conclusions to me and the differing ones are thought-provoking

Starting to get paranoid about Xiz. Roundbox's thoughts on Gradiant made me realise I am not remembering D1 very well and I should probably go reread it because Gradiant does not look nearly as good as I remember.

Roundbox, what do you make of these Arn/Xiz interactions?

[roundbox]

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Time to talk about the last 5 voters on the single-vote wagons.

Voting for DRG, we have MARIONINTENDO

MN's first vote is on DRG, and was placed after making potential cases on DRG, storn, and TPS. He opted to pick DRG.

His second vote was AA and it was a joke. AA asked him essentially to "come at me bro" and just responded with a vote. eh.

He then swapped back onto DRG with some more dialogue. Vote looks fine, imo. This is also paired with the fact that his time table is very screwed up due to his vacation.

I give MN a THIS VOTE LOOKS FINE, YOU'RE GOOD BRO

Voting for dAnceguy, we have DRG.

DRG's first and only vote was on dAnceguy, placed at around 3:30 AM on the last day of the phase. She said she would explain why she voted, but said that she would explain LATER.
We never got one. One or two posts might have helped, you didn't need to comb his whole history to find what you wanted (although, I can't blame you since he has a shitload of posts). She makes a decent point about his auto circle being people he doesn't want to read since they'd be controversial to suspect. It's a nice thought, but I don't think it was outlandish at the time (or even now) to place suspicions on the people in his auto circle.
I don't think he's putting people in his auto circle so they don't suspect him, though.

The ex-post-facto justification is suspicious, so I'm gonna place you at YOU MADE SOME GOOD POINTS BUT THEY ARE AFTER THE FACT, BUT SOMETHING TELLS ME THIS READ COULD BE IMPORTANT LATER IN THE GAME (I do like the independence of the vote, though)

Last but not least is Red Blaster.

Red Blaster didn't vote until close to phase end, which definitely matches his style and isn't anything suspect. It was made at 10:34 server time, 26 minutes before EOD. His posts feel like a natural evolution of voice from the last two games (sleepwalkers, turbo), and make him feel like a very solid town for me. Some part of me says that he really wants to nail AA as wolf after losing in the turbo. His posting style is very, very similar if not identical to how he was conducting himself in the turbo game, so I'm far from putting him into any wolf territory. I may be biased about his vote considering I made mine in a similar way, but the fact that this was his only vote was not suspicious.

I give Red Blaster a I'M PRETTY DAMN SURE YOU'RE TOWN AND IF I'M WRONG, YOU EARNED IT

And the last two people are ones that DIDN'T VOTE AT ALL!

blind - looks the most like shit since he was in the thread more than once, like come on LAME AND SUSPICIOUS

tps222 - Just disappeared. This gives me a solid NULL on his slot since it means absolutely nothing.

[roundbox]

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Roundbox, what do you make of these Arn/Xiz interactions?

If the "literal lie" that Xiz pointed out was the fact that Arntonach said he was calm and confident (also a sensible town), it seems to be pretty minor, imo. I know Xiz is basing his reads off of interactions solely on this day, so it does feel outlandish that he's declaring his vote will be unmoving.

[Xiz]

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If the "literal lie" that Xiz pointed out was the fact that Arntonach said he was calm and confident (also a sensible town), it seems to be pretty minor, imo. I know Xiz is basing his reads off of interactions solely on this day, so it does feel outlandish that he's declaring his vote will be unmoving.

he said he has played with me before.
he has not.
why did he say he was