TWG XX: Humans win

[FishFishRevolution]

Right now, I'm looking at Tass for the same reasons I stated in my first post. I don't know how much time I'll have to sign on later before work, and I'll be gone when the days ends, so I'm just safty voting on Qreepy. If I can get to the computer before I have to leave for work I'll probably change my vote to Tass.

[nforcer06164]

Aww crap. No idea who to vote for. Safety vote for TSAGod, because nobody is going to vote for him, and I have no suspicion on anybody. Yay for Day 1.

[JurseyRider734]

I'm not going to vote anyone yet because i'm non-conformist.


No one gets me...

[evilbutterfly]

K, so I haven't posted in a few pages. I've been busy. I know, that sounds weird coming from me, but you may forget that this is my first year in college and I'm still adjusting to doing work. In fact, I have an english paper thing I need to be doing right now because I have english later on today, but it's not till like, 7:30, so that can wait. I've been pretty out of it lately, too. I slept in today and missed Calc 3, so that sucks. TWG went backburner a while back. Sorry guys!

Anywho, I have no idea who to vote for. The LD/ap thing bothers me, but I don't really know either of them enough to know which bothers me more. And then I see they both already have a vote, so I feel bad for voting one of them because it may come down to one or the other, but let's see......ap is just fucking crazy. He hasn't even bothered harassing me this time, because really, what the hell could I possibly say that would be more wolfish than normal?

But aside from voting, I would just like to say the following: In games that lack a guardian, DON'T FUCK SAY THAT A PERSON IS CONFIRMED AS HUMAN OR POST THAT THEY MIGHT BE BLUE! Yes, if it's that obvious the wolves might pick up on it and see and think "we should kill that kid that everybody trusts" but may be they won't see. You put people in danger by "confirming" them as humans. And if they ARE wolves, then you're just giving that wolf security.

Now, as for Tass not dying... I wouldn't kill him. TPS wouldn't kill him. Other people wouldn't, either (I just can't think of who else >_> ), so we can't really can't judge his humanity on that.

But uh, yeah, I really have no idea. I just wanna go back to sleep and not worry about stuff right now, so I don't even know if I'll come back and check this thread again today at all.....

[aperson]

This bandwagon on to me is already starting to look ugly.
If this keeps up I'm gonna have to fuck up your whole scheme and ruin your game guys. You're making a very bad choice.

Besides, when did "fucking crazy" become valid voting criteria?

I'm gonna have to go with Spaceboy here. The reasoning is pretty sound: TSAGod is coming off as an overzealous human. His plans are too good for the wolves to come up with, and he's trying way way way too hard... he kinda reminds me of the way I was the first game except to a much higher extent. Right now I'm 99% sure he's human after thinking it over. This leaves me looking at Spaceboy's PM posting... This plan is perfect to throw suspicion onto TSA while we just think Spaceboy's a complete idiot. Hell, Spaceboy is a complete idiot, but if he's a wolf he has two other pretty smart people telling him what to do...

Now why would TSA choose Spaceboy? They're jTWG buddies, probably the only person TSA knows.

Nice try Spaceboy.


Edit: To add. I do know spaceboy outside of these forums, and I know that he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. He's not a complete dumbass that'd just go out and post a PM like that as a human either... which is why it struck me as very odd when he did.

[FishFishRevolution]

I just looked back at votes, and Tass doesn't have a vote either, so saftying with him does just as well as with Qreepy, for reasons already stated.

[JurseyRider734]

Well let's see...i'm not particularly suspicious of ap like I had said before. I knew he was doing some kind of analyzing of responses when he was IM'ing everyone. I think. That's what popped out at me first time he IM'd me. Uh...Fish is still on the sketchy side but I found eb's post a little off. He just doesn't seem the same. It's some kind of vibe I got from his posts. It's not really the best reasoning ever, but I don't really see anyone else doing something really off from their usual Day 1 attitudes.

[aperson]

Alright I've thought this through a lot more since obviously my life is on the line right now... and now I think I'm reasonably certain after the conversation I've had with him.

evilbutterfly

Let's examine:

K, so I haven't posted in a few pages. I've been busy. I know, that sounds weird coming from me, but you may forget that this is my first year in college and I'm still adjusting to doing work. In fact, I have an english paper thing I need to be doing right now because I have english later on today, but it's not till like, 7:30, so that can wait. I've been pretty out of it lately, too. I slept in today and missed Calc 3, so that sucks. TWG went backburner a while back. Sorry guys!

Time constraints. He's setting up an excuse to not focus on TWG and not change his vote. You'll see more of this in the AIM conversation. I'm sorry dude, but I skipped all 3 of my classes today, I have a huge test next week and a big paper due this Firday and I'm still devoting time to TWG, so give me a fucking break.

Anywho, I have no idea who to vote for. The LD/ap thing bothers me, but I don't really know either of them enough to know which bothers me more. And then I see they both already have a vote, so I feel bad for voting one of them because it may come down to one or the other, but let's see......ap is just #$#ing crazy. He hasn't even bothered harassing me this time, because really, what the hell could I possibly say that would be more wolfish than normal?

Let's paraphrase this logic: "I don't know who to vote for since they are both equally suspicious so I will vote for the one that already has two votes." Now take some time to digest this, what the fuck is EB thinking? Furthermore, his explanation for voting me is that I'm 'fucking crazy.' Reality check: Look at me in TWG XVI. That was a lot more 'fucking crazy' and after you dumbasses lynched me you found out I was a green post-game. Let me explain what my role in these games is real quick:

I'm the rabble rouser. I get shit started and I make things happen. Of course I come off suspicious, usually I have faith that people will get their noggins working and figure out that I'm actually helping them... but no, dumbasses like you, mead, and to a lesser extend LD can't seem to figure this out at all... which usually results in you all wasting a lynch on a human without thinking.

But aside from voting, I would just like to say the following: In games that lack a guardian, DON'T $*%# SAY THAT A PERSON IS CONFIRMED AS HUMAN OR POST THAT THEY MIGHT BE BLUE! Yes, if it's that obvious the wolves might pick up on it and see and think "we should kill that kid that everybody trusts" but may be they won't see. You put people in danger by "confirming" them as humans. And if they ARE wolves, then you're just giving that wolf security.

Who is confirmed as what? Nobody is confirmed as shit in this game. To all those people I said 'sup wolf buddy' to pregame: I'm sorry! I'm not a wolf!!!! ...Is anyone catching the absurdity of his argument yet?

Now, as for Tass not dying... I wouldn't kill him. TPS wouldn't kill him. Other people wouldn't, either (I just can't think of who else >_> ), so we can't really can't judge his humanity on that.

First thing you've said I'm starting to agree with, doesn't really mean much though.

But uh, yeah, I really have no idea. I just wanna go back to sleep and not worry about stuff right now, so I don't even know if I'll come back and check this thread again today at all.....

What eb is saying: I really have no idea so I will toss a vote onto the person with 2 votes already and pretty much condemn him because I'm really not sure for whom to vote. This is the biggest bandwagon vote ever but I'm going to act like it's not.



Now for the AIM conversation:
Phonem Recursive (12:23:46 PM): Time to harass you
Phonem Recursive (12:23:50 PM): what the fuck are you thinking
Phonem Recursive (12:23:57 PM): Oh wait you're a wolf I know what you're thinking nevermind
evilbutterfly87 (12:24:01 PM): I'm thinking I have an english paper to write and stuff
evilbutterfly87 (12:24:07 PM): and I really want to play Guild Wars again
Phonem Recursive (12:24:08 PM): Waaaaaaaaah college
evilbutterfly87 (12:24:11 PM): but I can't because I'm busy
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Immediately trying to avoid TWG. Which is strange, because jurs told me he was switching the topic to TWG with her last night. I wonder why he doesn't want to talk to me? Oh, because he doesn't want to hear my justification because that would mean he might then be obligated to switch his vote or risk being a wolf.


Phonem Recursive (12:24:19 PM): Then you should probably change your vote before you fuck up a whole lot more than you recognize
Phonem Recursive (12:24:28 PM): Except you're a wolf so keep your vote on me
evilbutterfly87 (12:24:55 PM): I'm not thinking straight today
evilbutterfly87 (12:24:59 PM): like, I took a shower
evilbutterfly87 (12:25:03 PM): and went to turn the water off
evilbutterfly87 (12:25:08 PM): and turned it on more
evilbutterfly87 (12:25:12 PM): and burned the hell out of myself
Phonem Recursive (12:25:15 PM): hey, hey, dipshit, we're talking about TWG not about taking a shower
evilbutterfly87 (12:25:21 PM): and earlier I was thinking about TWG
evilbutterfly87 (12:25:33 PM): and was like "ap is a wolf, or like, the voyeur or something"
Phonem Recursive (12:25:36 PM): Then try thinking again this time, look at my post on spaceboy
evilbutterfly87 (12:25:38 PM): and now I can't think of why I thought either
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Okay, so now he's saying that his logic for that post was bogus. So now, when reading the rest of the log, notice how apathetic he is towards wanting to change his vote (and as an aside, also notice how oddly protective of Spaceboy he is).

evilbutterfly87 (12:27:11 PM): uh
evilbutterfly87 (12:27:13 PM): which post was that?
Phonem Recursive (12:27:18 PM): newest post
evilbutterfly87 (12:27:19 PM): and is spaceboy the idiot one?
Phonem Recursive (12:27:23 PM): yes
evilbutterfly87 (12:27:26 PM): fuck newest post, I'm busy
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Busy excuse again

Phonem Recursive (12:27:40 PM): You have ten minutes to read TWG before you start your dumbass paper
evilbutterfly87 (12:27:56 PM): FINE ASS
evilbutterfly87 (12:28:00 PM): FINE,**
evilbutterfly87 (12:28:08 PM): not, your ass is fine
evilbutterfly87 (12:28:11 PM): but fine, you jerk
Phonem Recursive (12:28:13 PM): that too
evilbutterfly87 (12:29:25 PM): seriously
evilbutterfly87 (12:29:30 PM): Spaceboy is just stupid
Phonem Recursive (12:29:43 PM): I know he is
Phonem Recursive (12:29:57 PM): but this plan works very well as a wolf
evilbutterfly87 (12:30:01 PM): I thought about that, though
Phonem Recursive (12:30:11 PM): I know spaceboy is smart enough to go to someone in private and ask about the PM, not post it publically
evilbutterfly87 (12:30:15 PM): that may be he was a wolf being told to be stupid
Phonem Recursive (12:30:24 PM): but with two wolves assisting him, they probably told him to post it
evilbutterfly87 (12:30:24 PM): so they both look like smart and stupid humans, respectively
Phonem Recursive (12:30:37 PM): no, TSA isn't a wolf
Phonem Recursive (12:30:40 PM): I'm pretty sure of that
evilbutterfly87 (12:30:49 PM): then how does that make any sense?
evilbutterfly87 (12:31:00 PM): the only way I see it making sense is if they're both wolves
Phonem Recursive (12:31:07 PM): TSA talked to spaceboy because spaceboy is the only person he knows from TWG
Phonem Recursive (12:31:17 PM): He's a very overzealous human trying to start shit and get things in motion without really thinking it through
Phonem Recursive (12:31:24 PM): so he messages Spaceboy with this idea he has
Phonem Recursive (12:31:37 PM): Spaceboy says "Hey wolves, what's going on here?"
Phonem Recursive (12:31:52 PM): Wolves figure they can jam the game a bit by telling spaceboy to post it
evilbutterfly87 (12:32:14 PM): but you're still assuming that spaceboy isn't a complete idiot
evilbutterfly87 (12:32:23 PM): TSA is surprisingly good
Phonem Recursive (12:32:24 PM): If spaceboy is a complete idiot it still works
evilbutterfly87 (12:32:32 PM): Spaceboy is surprisingly bad
Phonem Recursive (12:32:36 PM): There's still a good chance he's a wolf even if he is that stupid
evilbutterfly87 (12:32:39 PM): but complete idiot would just go ahead and post it
evilbutterfly87 (12:32:49 PM): I mean, I see how it could be possible
evilbutterfly87 (12:32:55 PM): but like, it's reaching
Phonem Recursive (12:32:57 PM): I've talked to him a lot on #a0.com, I know him pretty well
evilbutterfly87 (12:33:03 PM): oh
evilbutterfly87 (12:33:10 PM): well, I've played in jTWG before...
evilbutterfly87 (12:33:15 PM): and the idiocy there is staggering
Phonem Recursive (12:33:16 PM): I know, jTWG is a retard orgy
evilbutterfly87 (12:33:24 PM): so I assume all jTWG people are complete morons
evilbutterfly87 (12:34:12 PM): may be you should post that you know spaceboy personally
evilbutterfly87 (12:34:25 PM): so that people know that you DO, in fact, know he's capable of not being stupid
Phonem Recursive (12:36:23 PM): There
evilbutterfly87 (12:36:42 PM): k, better
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Strategy and logic arguments ahoy. I can't say my argument for spaceboy is rock solid, but I'd say it has more merit than his genius diatribe against me! But what's he going to do? Why, ignore vote-changing!

Phonem Recursive (12:36:45 PM): I hope I've changed your mind, I'm not the best candidate to lynch today, and I hope you agree with my evidence on spaceboy
Phonem Recursive (12:36:56 PM): You damn well should know what my role in these games are, I'm the rabble-rouser
evilbutterfly87 (12:37:06 PM): I prolly won't vote for him
Phonem Recursive (12:37:06 PM): I look suspicious as fuck because I'm always making shit happen
evilbutterfly87 (12:37:10 PM): but look
evilbutterfly87 (12:37:17 PM): either you're a wolf and need to die
evilbutterfly87 (12:37:27 PM): or you're stirring up the most stuff as a human and are gonna get wolfed
evilbutterfly87 (12:37:36 PM): 2 votes on you makes the wolves think twice about that
evilbutterfly87 (12:37:37 PM):
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So here he thinks I only have two votes? Guess he forgot about LD (or possibly he is faking it), but this argument is fucking absurd and I don't think I need to explain why...

Phonem Recursive (12:37:41 PM): I have 3 dude, 3
evilbutterfly87 (12:37:45 PM): 3?
evilbutterfly87 (12:37:46 PM): wtf
Phonem Recursive (12:37:49 PM): LD voted for me at the very beginning
evilbutterfly87 (12:37:58 PM): he still hasn't changed? wtf
Phonem Recursive (12:38:02 PM): no, LD is a dumbass
evilbutterfly87 (12:38:06 PM): rofl
evilbutterfly87 (12:38:18 PM): he really is sheepish in TWG
Phonem Recursive (12:38:31 PM): he shouldn't even be in TWG, he's fucking dumb
evilbutterfly87 (12:38:55 PM): I don't see how he can be a programming person
Phonem Recursive (12:39:00 PM): Me neither
evilbutterfly87 (12:39:15 PM): with his random stupid moments and his terrible spelling
evilbutterfly87 (12:39:22 PM): it just doesn't make sense.....
Phonem Recursive (12:39:37 PM): Actually, I'm tempted to think he might really be a wolf
Phonem Recursive (12:39:45 PM): Being a complete retard is human LD style
Phonem Recursive (12:39:52 PM): he gets a lot more scheming and less impulsive when he's a wolf.
evilbutterfly87 (12:39:57 PM): I don't know LD, as far as TWG goes
Phonem Recursive (12:40:02 PM): I know him very well
Phonem Recursive (12:40:10 PM): I've played 2 games where he's a wolf and talked with him a lot both games
evilbutterfly87 (12:40:18 PM): and even if I did know him, I'd still doubt any instincts I had about him
Phonem Recursive (12:43:17 PM): I'm leaving now
evilbutterfly87 (12:43:23 PM): kbye
Phonem Recursive (12:43:26 PM): Yeah, 2 votes might make the wolves change their mind, but 3 gets me killed
Phonem Recursive (12:43:28 PM): so do something
evilbutterfly87 (12:43:42 PM): we have till 5 or whatever
evilbutterfly87 (12:43:48 PM): and if I change now it doesn't seem serious
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"If I change my vote before the deadline I'm not serious." Can anyone fathom how absurd this argument is as well? Is anyone keeping track of how many absurd claims he's made... I got news for you, I'm switching my vote now and I am completely fucking serious.

Phonem Recursive (12:43:52 PM): That's 3 fucking hours
Phonem Recursive (12:43:53 PM): whatever
evilbutterfly87 (12:43:55 PM): and I don't like changing my votes
evilbutterfly87 (12:44:03 PM): annnnnnnnnd I have a paper to write
evilbutterfly87 is away at 12:46:14 PM.
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"And I don't like changing my votes." Yes, you want to make sure I die because I'm human and you obviously think I'm an SP, so you want to cleanly kill who you believe is a blue. Alright

And he finishes it off with the 'I'm too busy for TWG excuse'


You're a stellar dumbass evilbutterfly!

[FishFishRevolution]

Well, if it's between ap and eb getting the axe, I'd have to choose eb for his baseless voting among other reasons. (I don't really think I need to specify with that novel above me)

[GuidoHunter]

Okay, guys, I've got work (which I didn't know I was going to have two days ago) until sixish, so don't expect an update until seven or so.

No posting after 1600 CST or punishment, capice?

Also, if there happens to be an instalynch (I say this now because I think I forgot about it on the host signup post), Day ends immediately. No waiting until the host comes back or anything. Immediately.

See y'all in a bit.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[mead1]

I've read through ap's monster of a post, and I'm going to have to swing my vote over to eb. I talked with ap over AIM, and thumbed through his post, and it's all very convincing. Coupled with that, I didn't have very well thought out suspicion against ap anyway, and it was a vote based on very little due to my not knowing when the day ended and leaving for school. So with that I cast my vote.

[talisman]

fishfish

this is just going on what's been said this page. I'm going to go back and read through everything again and see if anything else jumps out at me. In particular I want to see who's been posting but staying in the background, who's been playing out front, who's just not been playing, etc.

specifically against fishfish:
1. the unnecessary vote switch. why? is qreepy a wolf too and he got mad and told you not to risk it or something? or maybe you and tass are wolves and want to disassociate? or you just like switching your vote for no reason?

2. the bandwagon against eb. I feel eb is human, just by gut and because I can relate to the first year of college thing (and having calc 3 in the morning). I guess ap can too, but whatever. that post does not seem at all like something he would do as a wolf. a less skilled player, yes, might try to bs some irl stuff to cache a bandwagon vote, but I think that eb as a wolf would never call attention to himself like that.

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other things of note:

1. ap is a vote-switching fiend.
2. lots of small random votes. which are trying to blend in and which are truly random?

[JurseyRider734]

2. the bandwagon against eb.

Hey, I wasn't planning on 4 other people switching as soon as I put my vote on. X(

[Tasselfoot]

ap - ld, eb (2)
nforcer - tsa (1)
ld - tps (1)
jurs - qreepy (1)
tsa - nforcer (1)
eb - jurs, ap, fish, mead (4)
fish - talisman (1)

not voted: tass, kilga, space, eric (4)

my vote will be coming... likely at 4:50

As a note... is it not odd that TSA votes for nForcer, with somewhat of a reason. Meaning, not a strong one, but not "random". Then nForcer comes back and "randoms" TSA... revenge voting, but why?

EDIT: wrote eb voting for eb, switched to fish. Note: votes are listed in order.. aka, jurs voted eb first, mead most recently.

[evilbutterfly]

rofl, 4 votes. See, now I really can't change off of ap because he's the closest thing I have to a lifeline. I didn't realize he had 2 votes already (I totally forgot LD) when I voted for him. And really, I don't care if you guys lynch me, because TWG is just one extra thing, and Afro isn't playing .

PS: I like how ap being a tard gets several of you worked up. Remember how he's said that half of what he says is just bullshit to get people scared and talking?

I'm sorry dude, but I skipped all 3 of my classes today, I have a huge test next week and a big paper due this Firday and I'm still devoting time to TWG, so give me a fucking break.

There's no way he's NOT full of shit about at least some of his post. I mean...there's no way ap is gonna skip 3 classes for some stupid forum game on the internet.

But I must commend ap on his big post all about me, which was mostly just that convo (that I didn't re-read). It got some people jumping at me. Like fish and mead. I would vote fish, he has a vote already and apparently when I do that ap likes to harass me and get bunches more to vote for me, so fuck that.

PS: ap, I don't like playing your games. I'm not gonna flip out just from you trying to fuck with me. Sorry. =P

PPS: talisman, I would be doing my homework whether I was a wolf or not. err, I would be "doing my homework" and definitely not paying attention to every little distraction along the way. In case you guys hadn't figured it out, that's why I even talked to ap at all on AIM, was because he IMed me. I was actually thinking of my paper (and talking to Jurs, I think), but he IMed me so I was like YAY DISTRACTIONS because apparently I suck at focusing on work. Speaking of which, I've managed to get side-tracked again. >___<