TWG XX: Humans win

[talisman]

just wanted to mention (I forgot earlier) to give props to guido on the reference to that chardish hosted game.

[GuidoHunter]

Being that it was Hans's fourth time to die Night 1, I referenced every other time he was killed.

XVIII: Crushed head and decapitation (as Aragorn in Jurs's LOTR game)
XVI: J. Tobias Eschenbacher III, notable wealthy hermit and plutocrat.
XI: Claw marks on face and wrapped in a sheet (Cypher's dual-team game).

--Guido

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[JurseyRider734]

I feel bad for him.

[nforcer06164]

One thing I thought of... the prostitute doesn't seem to be too useful, because days don't usually end in KiB (I can't remember the last time one did), so they would likely be safe in coming out. Don't know what good that would do. Though saying this in the thread will ruin the idea... the prostitute would be safe for three days assumingthe voyeur has all three seeings; well, to an extent. The prostitute may die, but we'd have a wolf. Still, the prostitute isn't TOO valuable in my opinion, someone correct me if I'm worng.

Well, great. The LD vs. AP thing has me thinking, but not likely with a vote-procuring effect. I'll probably make a voting decision tomorrow morning, because the ending time sucks and I won't have time after that.

[FishFishRevolution]

Except that if the whore came out, and was killed, the Voyeur would have to come out, which is two blues down, with only one wolf out of the picture.
Now, what might work is...

Day 2 - Whore comes out
Night 3 - Voyeur watches whore (The wolves might not kill the whore though, and we've still got the change that the whore WON'T sleep with anyone)
Day 3 - If the whore is killed, Voyeur comes out, we lynch us a wolf.
Night 4 - Bookie bets on Voyeur getting killed, get's a free kill.

Now this plan falls apart when the Bookie doesn't have any idea who to kill. I mean, a blind kill, as Tass said, could be way worse than it could benefit. What would just be peechy, is if before any of this happened, let's say Night 1 or 2, the whore sleeps with a wolf, and tells the bookie (or everyone). Then we'd be down 2 wolves and two blues. Bookie wouldn't have to come out.

This is all assuming the wolves don't kill any blues, we don't lynch any blues, and Hans wasn't blue.

[Tasselfoot]

nForcer... the whore is a seer. so, coming out is probably not the best idea, unless when applied how Fish explained. That was what we were talking about in the chat last night. Or, everyone was talking about and I read about it later.

[evilbutterfly]

Yeah, whore should definitely not come out unless they find a wolf. In that case, they need to come out right away so we can own the wolves like whoa. Of course, the whore may be a little hesitant to do this because they'd die, but suck it up and take one for the team, jerk. Not like we get pips anymore, and people will be more proud of you catching a wolf (and another wolf, if the voyeur does his/her job properly). I think killing 2/3 wolves is completely worth losing 2 blues.

[talisman]

the only real problem of course is in the wolves pull a fake ho... which could easily happen if they're ballsy enough and it's late into the game and they think the ho is already dead.

It's still the best plan we have though. In fact, I doubt the wolves (especially after we've posted this in here) will wolf the ho until they're fairly certain the voyeur doesn't have many watchings left. (if the ho comes out late game or if the ho comes out early the wolves will wait a couple of nights). This will of course allow the alliance to grow (cautiously, there's a master) which is a positive thing.

[FishFishRevolution]

Yeah, that's pretty much the game if the wolves fake a convincing whore. Not only will we lose voyeurisms, we'll probably kill humans in the process, checkmate.

And Voyeur, think about what talis just said. If you don't use your power after the whore comes out, you might save a voyeurism when the wolves thought you were out, but if they strike and you're not ready, it's hell to pay. Just another mind-twist we have to wrap ourselves around.

[mead1]

At this point, all we can really do is play the game like normal, until the whore get's lucky (What a bad choice of words). We can only hope we got a smart, conservative voyeur.

[Tasselfoot]

At this point, all we can really do is play the game like normal, until the whore get's lucky (What a bad choice of words). We can only hope we got a smart, conservative voyeur.

There are so many things wrong with those 2 sentences... Too funny.

Silly Guido and his gutter mind. Whores, Voyeurs watching Whores, and Bookies betting on Whores. Sick man, sick.

[TSAGod]

Gaah...

It's pretty bad posting strategies in this thread for the wolves to see. If we tell them everything that's going on, we might as well give them the game now. Full effects of the whore, bookie, and voyeurs aren't known, so we might as well be as secret with the strategies as possible.

If we post stuff the wolves will definately take note, and figure out how to beat us. If we keep our strategies down to PM's and IM's, then we can at least lessen the odds of losing because the wolves already know our strategy - ours is only one time use. If it fails, we've got a lot of work ahead of us.

[Tasselfoot]

Look... TSA... this is my take. I don't get the point of specifically contacting space about it. We all know he's the n00b of the n00bs. You can't know how he is going to react to something like that sent to him.

So ok... he reacted about as poorly as possible, granted. But, is it really THAT surprising? If you're going to try and get an idiot into your plans on night 1, you can't expect fireworks as results.

But, frankly... everything you suggested to him both in that PM and in your previous posts was also repeated IN THE TWG XX CHAT. Now, I don't know about anyone else, but I'll bet seriously money that at least 1 person who was in that chat last night was a wolf. So, regardless of space, they KNOW the strategies that everyone is talking about.

All it really says to me is that both of you are most likely human. I can't see a fellow wolf telling space, "yea, you should post that conversation and draw alot of attention to yourself." And I can't see you (TSA) getting that PM by fellow wolves either. Again, just seems too... odds and "suspicious" for night 1 activity, especially to only send to ONE person. And yes, I would expect either of you to have to justify something like that to fellow wolves who are more experienced before doing.

Then again.... it would be a pretty interesting wolf strategy on day 1. Apart from the fact that it sparks alot of conversation, the backbone to human victory.

Thats my take.

[Tps222]

The thing to watch out for, is one of the wolves are suggesting one of these plans.

The AP-LD deal is totally ridiculous. I'm going to go away from that for now, not done thinking that over.

Not sure if Spaceboy revealed the PM's on purpose or not. Someone more intelligent could have set that up as a plan, and we would assume he is just dumb, dunno.

TSA has come up with a few good plans. A lot of posts look very human, so, untill I see something else in his post, I am going human with him for now.

Tass did another obvious blue guide. Could be exactly what he did last game, could use last game's one to throw us off, once again, not sure.

Mead is up to his usual stating the obvious plan, and not contributing anything, thinking human with him.

Eric has been quiet as of late, though, he usualy is.

In the chat, I threw out 3 names as wolves, as I always do. Talisman, Eric and Fish were mine. Not going to act on it, just initial gut feeling is all.

I haven't done anything stupid or crazy as of yet, mainly because I'm still getting used to what all the blues do. I may come up with something, I may not, so don't be like "OMGWTF WOLF" if I don't.

I have some things to read....

[Tasselfoot]

Well, wow. This has been a retardfest so far.

And considering I've nothing relevant to contribute, let the stupidity continue.

Oh yea... I forgot to post about who I am suspicious of. Eric's one post is above. As soon as I read it, I got that little "Tass Sense" prickling on the back of my neck. At the same time though, I somehow ALWAYS find Eric suspicious on day 1, and am usually wrong. Anyway, the reasoning for why it bugs me: Its 1 post out of 50, it says NOTHING, its 2 lines, its a "I'm not 100% inactive but still not helping" post.

It might just be a case that Eric is turning into Mead from 5 games ago. Captain Obvious & King Bandwagon.