TWG XX: Humans win

[QreepyBORIS]

Guh, it ate my post. It was pretty similar to Tass's first one, but he phrased it better, so it's not that big a deal. =/

I just hate it when that happens.

[TSAGod]

Look... TSA... this is my take. I don't get the point of specifically contacting space about it. We all know he's the n00b of the n00bs. You can't know how he is going to react to something like that sent to him.

So ok... he reacted about as poorly as possible, granted. But, is it really THAT surprising? If you're going to try and get an idiot into your plans on night 1, you can't expect fireworks as results.

But, frankly... everything you suggested to him both in that PM and in your previous posts was also repeated IN THE TWG XX CHAT. Now, I don't know about anyone else, but I'll bet seriously money that at least 1 person who was in that chat last night was a wolf. So, regardless of space, they KNOW the strategies that everyone is talking about.

All it really says to me is that both of you are most likely human. I can't see a fellow wolf telling space, "yea, you should post that conversation and draw alot of attention to yourself." And I can't see you (TSA) getting that PM by fellow wolves either. Again, just seems too... odds and "suspicious" for night 1 activity, especially to only send to ONE person. And yes, I would expect either of you to have to justify something like that to fellow wolves who are more experienced before doing.

The strategies have different levels. The basic level is without any respect to the wolves, or what I originally posted. But when we post what the wolves might do to beat our strategies, and then how to beat the wolves again, we're showing our cards, upping our level, and we really don't need to do that. We've got a basic strategy, so know its up to the whore and the voyeur to do their parts. And that's why I didn't send my PM to everybody.

...anyway. Now we've got the strategy, we should probably start working on the wolves.

As for who? I'm not sure. I'm analyzing the thread now.

[GuidoHunter]

Silly Guido and his gutter mind. Whores, Voyeurs watching Whores, and Bookies betting on Whores. Sick man, sick.

It was going to work GREAT with my original story.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tps222]

Guido, why would a watch reset if the power went out?

[aperson]

fishfishrevolution

He came to me on AIM discussing TWG strategy. Now, I'm a manipulative fucker, I'll be the first to admit it. So I manipulatively fucked.

Phonem Recursive: What color are you
insanelikeafish: blue
Phonem Recursive: the voyeur is blue
Phonem Recursive: I know the voyeur
Phonem Recursive: You're lying
insanelikeafish: what?
insanelikeafish: i thought you meant out of green red blue
Phonem Recursive: Very well
insanelikeafish: well, you had me nabbed anyway
insanelikeafish: think what you want of me, i'm really not quite sure what to think of you
Phonem Recursive: If you are blue I will have the voyeur contact you through a private name on AIM
Phonem Recursive: to protect his/her identity
insanelikeafish: make it so, i'm yellow

This is not all of the conversation, I will not be posting all of the conversation for his sake if I am incorrect in my assumption. Furthermore, I might've been lying to manipulate him or I might not, who knows. Regardless, he has not answered correctly.

[FishFishRevolution]

That's what I get for talking to aperson. It would be useless to vote him back, considering I'm pretty sure he's a human, and he really thinks I'm a wolf.

If I'm going to be lynched, that's a waste, I'd rather go out by a wolf.

What I said to aperson was the truth. I would suggest you talk to gonzo4life44, or Minineo if you want to know how i talk on AIM when I'm a wolf.

[aperson]

FishFish has quelled my suspicions

Null Vote

[talisman]

awwwwwww aperson avoided the swear filter someone tell the teacher...

I was typing up my normal list of everyone and what I think but then I went to dinner and my thoughts have escaped me so yeah. now to ponder on this fishfish thing.

[aperson]

I'd like to add, so people don't overstate the importance of this scene, that my vote on FishFish was only to manipulate him and get him to talk to me on AIM. I thought I had found a wolf and I was trying to trick him into agreeing to roles which he wasn't.

Well... he kinda did that too, but he pulled himself out of that enough to get me to drop my suspicions down on him. He's definitely a target though, I might put my vote back on him should nothing more come up between now and the end of the day.

[talisman]

first off unless the voyeur is retarded, aperson doesn't know him/her unless it's him or if aperson is the ho and slept with him
second why the hell did fish say he was blue and later say "well you had me nabbed anyway"
third if he really is blue holy fuck why is this posted in the thread for the wolves to see? jesus ap... you shoulda really held off on that until you figured it out for sure.

[TSAGod]

Hm...well thanks to aperson, we know that either FishFish or aperson (or maybe both) is a wolf...or there was something really crazy going on between them.

FishFish admits to being the bookie, even though aperson's status is not known. That's dumb. Unless I know for sure that somebody seers (at least) as human, I wouldn't admit to having a special role. That's suspicious.

If FishFish truly is the bookie, that's a real bad call, because a green has very little reason to lie about that kind of thing. And a special is special, even if it has the most loaded power. The wolves would be stupid not to kill FishFish, unless something more important arises.

aperson is probably a wolf, because admitting to knowing the voyeur for certain is really risky for the voyeur, considering the voyeur can't see. Which means he is likely the whore. Or a wolf. More likely the latter, though, because that was a dumb move on the surface, and I still trying to think why a human would post it whole-ish.

[aperson]

So here's what I've got so far.

TPS: Really wants to talk to me for some reason, but I don't have much read on him. I guess he's drawn to my astounding charisma. Neutral

Tasselfoot: Guys, if there's ever been a correct kill night 1, it would be Tasselfoot. Even if the voyeur also picked him, HE'D STILL FUCKING DIE. The fact that Tass is alive says a hell of a lot.

Kilgamayan: No time my ass, I've seen you on #a0.com IRC enough to know that you have enough time to read the thread. Cut the bullshit or my suspicion is going up on you forty fold

Spaceboy492: Fucking idiot. Maybe a human Fucking idiot, maybe a wolf Fucking idiot, but he's a Fucking idiot

Fishfishrevolution: Number 2 on my suspicion list next to Tass, I don't trust you bro... I still have this sneaking suspicion that you are risque enough to try playing me as a wolf.

TSAGod: Prostitute strategy: Smells human-ish! PM Strategy: what the fuck! I don't trust this guy. I don't trust what he's doing, I don't trust his methodology.

QreepyBORIS: Haven't seen much from him

talisman: Brief AIM talks have been on an informational level with no prodding as to identity on either side. I can't tell you how wolfish he is but I can tell you how smart he is: Reasonably.

evilbutterfly: I think I'll paraphrase myself from another game when I say this: This fucker is a fucking wolf even when he's fucking human. Wolf. Nah j/k TWGXVI players, I haven't seen much from him.

nforcer06164: Haven't seen much from this dude.

mead1: Pawny McPawnerson, what else is new. Come up with your own ideas... hasn't appeared wolfy or humany, just... meady.

lightdarkness: You're a dumbass, for serious. But I've played with you a lot when you're a wolf, and this isn't the wolf you... This looks more like the human LD. You're a little more focused and restrained... less impulsive, when you're a wolf.

JurseyRider734: cunt. Aside from Night 1 I haven't really talked to her, and delving info night 1 is pretty much worthless... No idea

aperson: Wolf

ImEric1: Thanks for the observation, foxtrot! Why don't you try contributing something instead of feigning activity... Suspicious, but not certifiably wolfish

So here's what I got at this point. I'm inclined to think it's Tass, Fish, or TSAGod at this point. Hell, it might be all 3, but it's not time to make a vote yet.

[aperson]

aperson is probably a wolf, because admitting to knowing the voyeur for certain is really risky for the voyeur, considering the voyeur can't see. Which means he is likely the whore. Or a wolf. More likely the latter, though, because that was a dumb move on the surface, and I still trying to think why a human would post it whole-ish.

This is the part where you fail. You should try talking to me on AIM some time. I will fuck with your head, I will tell you things that aren't there, I will tell you the coldes, harshest truth, I will spin the most absurd lies, and I will plainly lay out the whole truth to you. The problem is, you don't know which you're getting. So why don't you stop taking everything I say as golden, especially when I'm willing to say it myself?

[Tasselfoot]

ap does pretty much hit things on the head... but, lets not forget that ap has also tried and done his mind fucking with people when he was a wolf. Its definately humanish, but anything is within reason with him.

At the same time, all I can say about myself is this: I'm glad I'm alive. Can I explain it? Nope. Can I give my theory? Same as the past few games... either they felt that trying to kill me early was too much risk (might not have realized that it wasn't much risk this game) or its the simple reverse psychology of "Tass is alive, he must be a wolf." It would have worked last game had TPS not killed me. I knew flat out that I was dead lynched the next day. I had no suspicions against me, nothing from the 2 dead wolves to make me look clean... nada. They played it perfectly, minus wolfing me. That is the best theory I can give, as it appears to already be working, and its only day 1. Not working working, but the THOUGHT is there already.

I'm not willing to vote TSA or Space, more out of principle than anything else, considering my preaching of stupidity over wolfishness. I'll stand by that for the time being. I don't know what to make of the convo between ap/Fish. I wouldn't mind getting a little more "behind the scenes" info. And as far as Eric, I seem to always think he's a wolf... so I don't trust myself with him.

We still have 24 hours.

[Tasselfoot]

Damn... I'm forgetting alot of stuff today:

Guh, it ate my post. It was pretty similar to Tass's first one, but he phrased it better, so it's not that big a deal. =/

I just hate it when that happens.

In the TWG XX Chat
tps7910: Anyone actually in here?
TasselFoot: someone just deleted a post in twg
TasselFoot: i saw there were 60 posts and 5 pages
tps7910: I read it.
TasselFoot: i went to check the end of page 4
TasselFoot: went to page 5, it was gone
TasselFoot: who was it. what did it say.
tps7910: Oh, wait, never mind,
tps7910: I read yours.
TasselFoot: i posted twice
tps7910: Yea, before and after me.
tps7910: didn't see a 5th page.
TasselFoot: yup
TasselFoot: i did.
TasselFoot: someone deleted a post
tps7910: anyway that got archived?
tps7910: Is there a way to check when posts got deleted?
TasselFoot: no idea. ask ld.
tps7910: Maybe he did it.
TasselFoot: it might be in the database.
TasselFoot: ld knows better than to delete a post
tps7910: Could have been an error on your part.
TasselFoot: highly doubt it.
tps7910: Or a wolf slipup
TasselFoot: there were 5 pages.
TasselFoot: now there are 4
TasselFoot: it could be ANYONE's slipup.
TasselFoot: i just don't like someone deleting a post
tps7910: I'm talking to Ld right now.
tps7910: He wants to know a time.

Private AIM session right where the chat left off
[17:50] tps7910: He want's a time of the post.
[17:51] TasselFoot: i have no idea
[17:51] TasselFoot: within the last 3-5 minutes
[17:51] TasselFoot: within seconds after my 2nd post
[17:51] tps7910: Ok.
[17:52] tps7910: It's illegal to delete a post correct?
[17:53] tps7910: lightdarkness42: no one posted after tass
[17:53] TasselFoot: so what the fuck.
[17:53] TasselFoot: there was 5 pages.
[17:53] TasselFoot: something was deleted.
[17:54] TasselFoot: i guess it could have been before mine, just deleted after i went... within those few seconds.
[17:54] tps7910: Server lag because we posted at the same time?
[17:54] tps7910: Could have screwed up the page count.
[17:54] TasselFoot: no idea
[17:54] tps7910: I asked him about before.
[17:55] tps7910: lightdarkness42: I'll write ascript so he can see the post order
lightdarkness42: busy
[17:55] TasselFoot: whatever.
[17:56] tps7910: Well, an older post could have been deleted.
[17:56] tps7910: But only by a mod.
[17:56] TasselFoot: not by me.
[17:56] TasselFoot: obviously
[17:57] tps7910: It would have been impossible while posting.
[17:57] TasselFoot: that too
[17:57] tps7910: That would leave Kilga and LD.
[17:57] tps7910: Kilga has been trigger happy before.
[17:58] TasselFoot: but not with twg.
[17:58] TasselFoot: look at how he reacted last game with the IP thing
[17:59] tps7910: Yea, you're right.
[17:59] tps7910: I'm leaning towards error on your connection, or, right before you posted.
[18:00] TasselFoot: probably.

How does a post just... get eaten?