Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
Right about Tokzic
Right about Gradiant
Hmmm
Right about Tokzic
Right about Gradiant
Hmmm
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Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
@Sunfan when you see this:
Did any of your reads change during night phase?
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Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
wahoo, i need sleep and the forums keep database erroring, so here's my first two, rest will come later
6. DaBackpack town
(i did this one in reverse post order and you can probably tell)
- fwiw i think dbp's entrance was hilarious, and the only one really calling attention to that flipped red (at least, the only one i remember, because xel never shut up about it lmao)
- he brings up yoshl's behavior and then elaborates on that (see below for more as well) earlier on d0, which is notable for his consistency later on calling this out
- he read into Mashi pretty hard in search of someone to push d0, calling him generally too neutral. gradiant called him out for this post, but i see it more as resignation that what he's saying isn't gaining much traction. in response to gradiant he comes back to yoshl and mashi. then he really pushes yoshl hard. (i have more to say on this later)
- but this post, one of his more recent ones (from d1), likes yoshl's point about MML's vigi focus potentially being a setup for a later vigi cover-up claim. yoshl has been pretty zoned in on MML, but DBP called the focus on MML "worrisome" on d1. (this is in contradiction to early d0 where he did not feel as good about MML and called him "my top wolf lean", but consistent with later d0 where he's iso someone else to look at)
i definitely see dbp as town, because his observations and focus have been consistent with trying to search out good lynch candidates - just because of the timing and with so many people wolf reading him, they didn't gain better traction.
9. _Zenith_ null -> wolf
- did a quality reread (honestly that's to be expected though)
- he (and DBP) probably put the most thought into tokzic's situation
- part of why i see you as more null, though (switching to second person because you're here as i write this), is after that you mostly zoned in on yoshiisland. sure that turned out okay. you're up front about not putting as much work in, but island is an interesting target to focus on when your previous day's impression was null -> town and even "who". sunfan was in the right to call you out about your second round of reads, really
- you don't get points for being right about xel when you gave up on xel's meta. you don't get points for being right about tokzic when you voted for the lynch in full support of gradiant, who called him scum for lying.
you just seem over-eager to go "hey look guys look what i did" when there are little mini contradictions in your play that belie the earnesty of your efforts.Comment
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Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
You and YoshL are both wrong even if I cannot put words together to defend myself correctly.
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Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
it's very similar to the storn or botchi syndrome - simply put, when they're somehow very right during the game, it feels very strange
like, can you elaborate exactly your thoughts that lead you to be "right" about gradiant and tokzic?
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Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
Gradiant - Ever since the AA battle the battle itself seemed Town v Town at the time and Gradiant really never took a solid stance until the Tokzic thing. He battled various players but any of his aggression went alongside a town mindset, pushing players for answers, not for lynches. Usually I don't know how to read Gradiant other than he's never too fond of myself but this game it completely changed, him and sunfan to me were clear towns and nothing could falter the idea (in my next multiquote post I'll be pointing out what did it for me with them two even though Sunfan is confirmed at the moment).
About Gradiant though, I didn't feel the same way with DBP along with his battles against players. I know Sunfan is onto something with the emotional gameplay, something not quite seen in DBP too frequently as a wolf even though right now his wolf meta wants to take over but shouldn't due to inactivity. Just food for thought since they have similar situations this game other than inactivity inflicting DBP.
Tokzic - Ever since the claim and after n0 when we lost AA (VT) and Arnt (PR), I felt really strange because what he did is probably exactly what I would've done had people not given me comments on my playstyle that I heavily considered. He was a VT, choose to take a shot for PR; doing so in a horrific fashion that did him in because he didn't pull it off early yet still wanted to continue?? I see why he continued, he was hoping PR didn't say anything and let his claim be the center of attention (See: Game where I claimed Sunfan's role and he let me lead because he read perfectly what I was doing). This post:
Bolded gave off a very uncomfortable but a logical point that I first read as possible WIFOM AFTER Gradiant had countered the claim, and that led me to lynch Tokzic. I still had my doubts about Tokzic flipping wolf, but at that moment I just wanted Tokzic lynched because it provided bad content and a horrible jumping off point in finding the last wolf because of his shit.
You had something I am starting to agree with upon looking back, but refrained from posting it because you're already suspicious of my changed behavior and style this game that I don't want a push on myself this late into the game when my reads have been on point.
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Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
Is it bad I might have switched inDheart from a wolf to a really bad town?
I don't think it's that bad, I think his reads are terrible this game and this is the second time he's used influence to support a read (First from Sunfan, now from YoshL) so whereas I originally thought he could've been a decent wolf candidate, I just think he's now backpacking because he isn't developing good reads and he may know this even before he reads this post.
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Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
Oops forgot to bold
Bolded in Tokzic quote should be "If I was a wolf, hardclaiming the last blue role is almost autolose"
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Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
Reads list inc shortly, just alignments not in-depth just yet
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Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD
6. DaBackpack - Null
10. MixMasterLar - Slight Town
11. thesunfan - Confirmed
12. inDheart - Bad Town
13. T-Force - I think slot is clean for the time being
15. Charles Claythorne (AKA MASHI) - Getting Null
16. YoshL - Town
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