TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD

This is a very bad reason. If you think that there are great chances that he might flip a wolf, that's gravy. But if you think his play style as town was hurting us? If you thought he was VT you could have easily ignored him for the whopping hour or two it took for him to forget the game was running and leave again.

And YoshL did bring up a good point, Town Zenith goes for big plays. To add on to what he said, I remember reading Turbo II and you did that hilarious plan of claiming Cop that backfired, and in Turbo III you basically picked the one guy that got on your nerves (Which was me; even admitted in that game that it was from having OMGUS syndrome) and went super HAM on him until he flipped. None of that has come from you so far this game.

And before you ask: No, no I will not throw out your old Meta.

I have made poor wording choice when talking about Tokzic. My feelings and thoughts about how he played this game deserve post-game, not in-game, so I'm not saying much on that end. Mechanically looking back at Tokzic, iirc I pointed out something he said that was pretty damning after the Gradiant reveal that looked very much like WIFOM from Tokzic.

I despise you after my multiple pleas of metareading me. There's a reason why I hate anyone who is attempting to metaread me and that reason will become more and more apparent as the phase nears it's closure.

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I'm not wasting my time dealing with T-Force

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So based on the INTENSE DISCUSSION everyone had while I was gone:


Did not like this post at all though. The way it's constructed comes off to me as if he's trying to give himself a pathway to being suspicious of a lot of people, but not because he's being open for legitimate suspicions, but because he feels the need to have to accuse multiple people (which the remaining Wolf would definitely have to do in this situation if he wishes to survive).


I don't really feel like Zenith's comment about being right about Gradiant and Tokzic are something likely heard of from a Wolf. It comes off as pretty cocky and imo it's something that's probably going to draw attention when stated. I haven't really known Zenith to flaunt like that as a Wolf.
Like, think of it from a Wolf's perspective. What reason would the last Wolf in the game want to post something like this? To show off?


And comments like this sound so Human to me! Especially from Zenith tbh
Attack my waifu and I'll destroy your laifu!!!


idk if Zenith is the type of person to fake not knowing things, but I think the Wolf would definitely know how many mislynches are left in the game.

btw I should mention that I think the way YoshL's conducting himself with his Zenith suspicion is making me suspicious of YoshL

People with YoshL as a Human lean are going to have to tell me what I'm missing, because I don't really see what YoshL has done that's been Human this game. inDheart mentioned a lot of things in his read of him, but I'm pretty unpersuaded about them - it might just be a difference in playstyle between inDheart and I. Regardless, I'm going to be going through the thread now and coming to a more definitive (and hopefully correct) conclusion about YoshL and everyone else in the game.

Not commenting on the first section

I don't really understand the second either. Why is being genuinely excited about having good reads this game attributed to the potential of being a wolf, especially with the flaunting. Like you say, it would always draw attention and in our current situation, don't you think that's precisely what the last wolf wants for his best-case-scenario? Maybe you should ask yourself "Would a VT be just as cocky"?

Stop flipflopping me because it hurts. I want one or the other, no in-between shit.

You would think that a wolf would be keen on end-game mechanics especially in this position right? Well, in my case, I remembered Sunfan mentioned the number of mislynches we had at the point when Xiz/Island died. Look too hard into that and it hurts.

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what I was gonna say about Zenith is that I hate when ppl say "why did you guys lynch xxx if I was there I wouldn't have done that", MML said that earlier too

it's an easy way for wolves to appear invested in the outcome of the game without actually having to push

but Zenith has other things going for him atm

Confused about latter half

Hey everyone gets opinions. Those first lynches were utter garbage and whether you accept or deny that is all up to you, but fmpov that was a town/a pr who got lynched both phases, not a wolf nor the SK. We've gotten incredibly lucky to even make it at this point if you look back, which you should be able to attribute the "What the fuck why did you lynch xxxx if I was there it would've changed" etc etc.

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piggybacking off of Zenith's post earlier ---- pocket pocket pocket

Besides making reads and letting thread know, that's all inDheart is do is pocket the shit out of people.

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I believe it but for the sake of logical completeness is it possible a Miles Edgeworth would come up as no threat of he got master wolf status?

Sunfan as wolf is super unlikely but I want to know if it's nonzero

It should be possible. Time tells with that answer though so I wouldn't dwell on this.

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[inDheart]

Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD

jia you mashi~

here's a nice hot take while i'm at work based on the above quote post i did:

So I was right about Xel

this claim is not falsifiable

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD

One of my posts in the multiquote post is wrong upon rereading

enjoy the laugh

[DaBackpack]

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I understand Zenith, but I see that a lot and it just feels really convenient

[DaBackpack]

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so I'll be the first to say I really don't know who's the wolf at this point, but I feel good about sunfan, T-Force, and believe it or not I"m liking inDheart -- but that was just from my initial readthrough, haven't had time to scrutinize other peoples' points against him besides pocketing

[DaBackpack]

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I feel like it's worth mentioning that with only one wolf left, mindsets should be more collaborative since almost everybody this game is going to be genuine

[DaBackpack]

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the T=Force read is a carrover from reuben

[YoshL]

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even now, zenith isn't pushing forwards with his reads. I'm worried that i'm spiraling into MML v2 this game in terms of tunneling down, and i feel like i'm now even more cognisant of it due to mashi's posts and comments lmfao

but i'm going to point out that zenith's standing and tone towards other people has been very back-footed, where he's basically making comments regarding other people's reads on him, but not really pushing in any direction. Yes, he's saying stuff about other people, but it's never with the purpose of expressing his actual read, or to further the game state really.


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charu lynched d0, wabby lynched d1, and tokzic lynched d2.

if there's a wolf miles edgeworth (and if it's sunfan in this hypothetical world), i don't think they would hit charu of all people as a d0 lynch. wabby as a d1 lynch could potentially work, but a tokzic d2 lynch (with his blue soft earlier) was probably not happening, and (i think) a wolf miles would not have targetted tokzic.

wabby feels like a potential miles candidate for d1, but in the world that i'm examining where sunfan is the last scum and is miles, he voted for zenith.

essentially, i don't think it's worth wasting time re-examining funsan

[_Zenith_]

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It's probably the fact that mostly everyone who is pushing me is town fmpov

So what else is there to do when my town reads are pushing for me? All I can do is attempt to defend myself and try to show that I'm actually town since the pressure doesn't seem like it will stop this phase.

I would fully support a inDheart lynch like I've stated several times; if I'm not voting alongside our confirmed that would be where my vote lies.

I'm still not prepared to look into my town reads more to attempt to find wolf qualities and attributes within those reads, and after inDheart it'd be DBP/MML that I'd look at without readjusting townreads. Do you realize I'm kind of pinned in movement currently so my only course of action right now is to be defensive with the oncoming pressure until it gets relieved?

[YoshL]

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The Phantom - The Shapeshifter: As a skilled spy and assassin, you are able to adapt to your surroundings to aid your team. During pregame, you may select a power from any other prosecution role that your team did not roll to use as a one-shot ability.

Yatagarasu - The Master Thief:* As a master thief and criminal, you are able to swap things around without any one batting an eye. Once per night, you may pick two players. Any actions used on these players will be swapped.

are the 2 reds exposed so far, and xelnya(yatagarasu/bus driver) died d1, so jake's check on sunfan is still legit.


there are 4 more powers, 2 more which the scum team has/had (1 from the phantom)

of those 4, only 1 more effects the sunfan thing -
Matt Engarde - The Deceiver: Refreshing like a spring breeze. At least, that's what you want everyone to think about you. You are a master wolf until you make the conviction (night kill).

which is very possible actually - totally take back the thing about re-examining sunfan, especially with his insistance on being "mechanically" lock clear

then edgeworth doesn't really matter to the rest of the game other than if they get 3 correct lyches in which they get another vigi. doubt we're there if there's an edgeworth in game

[YoshL]

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I would fully support a inDheart lynch like I've stated several times

did i just not see these times or what

[_Zenith_]

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did i just not see these times or what

It starts way back in d1 after reading the deep pocket inDheart was doing with sunfan when they both voted for me

[YoshL]

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i meant today, in this current game state

[_Zenith_]

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i meant today, in this current game state

This phase, that would be the first instance of my publicly saying it.

At start of the phase I had it in my mind he was a bad town this game but I've faltered since on that idea.

[YoshL]

Re: TWG CLVI: The Grand TWGabout - GAME THREAD

what caused the shift then