jTWG LXXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

[AragakiAyase]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

If I die, I would take a serious look at AA.

Notice how quick he was to say that there was a doctor when there was no kill on the first night. I'm saying this is a slip on his part: from HIS perspective, assuming he believed zenith's JK claim, he KNEW (or thought he knew) there was a doctor, however, he didn't take into consideration the perspectives of others because this "fact" can not deduced from a VT perspective.

I'm not going to spell out the argument step-by-step, but essentially, the only way AA could know there was indeed a doctor is if he was a wolf or he was a doctor himself.

Also, as a wolf, it'd make sense that he'd want to side with me in order to take down the most active and possibly influential player this game (i.e. Zenith).

This is a good point but there's one issue here:

It can be deduced from a VT perspective which is how I came up with that answer. I believed Zeniths JK claim. There was no nightkill, but it couldn't have been because of JK because I couldn't have sent in the kill. Therefore there is a doctor who made a save.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

Sunfan since you neglected to post who you chose can you please say it when you get back

I pray that it wasn't on Ben too now.

It can't have been Ben because he would have been saved. JK is roleblock and doctor.

[_Zenith_]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

Kiba

[_Zenith_]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

It can't have been Ben because he would have been saved. JK is roleblock and doctor.

Right.

So how do you feel that whoever the last wolf is just hard incriminated you?

Also Sunfan is remaining blue alive and we should be following him wholeheartedly

[AragakiAyase]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

Also I said I wouldn't stay up but I did fuck
Going to sleep

[storn42]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

Sunfan since you neglected to post who you chose can you please say it when you get back

I pray that it wasn't on Ben too now.

he did it on me.

Will likely be on the road when phase ends. I realized that it actually doesn't matter when I post who I am jailing lol. Cop had a chance to claim if I am jailing a PR then I am jailing the medic which isn't even that bad.

I am jailing storn tonight. If there is a nightkill, storn is confirmed town for the rest of the game. If there is no nightkill, one of two things happened.
1) Storn is the last wolf and the game ends.
2) The wolves send in no kill to implicate storn. Now this looks like its very bad for town. Mathematically, all it does is give town an extra lynch to use, which gets used on storn. Wolves may play this however they so choose, but in my opinion all it really does is prolong the game by an extra 72 hours or so and gives the wolves a worse shot at winning the game.

I would just like to remind people one last time to be very cautious about posting before the phase ends as Zenith was nearly modkilled after the last night phase ended. Stupid deaths like that is the biggest hope the last wolf has for winning this game.

In summary, if there is a nightkill, storn is LOCK CLEAR.
If there is no nightkill we lynch storn and regardless of his role town is in a good position.

[_Zenith_]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

he did it on me.

We told him to switch so only he can confirm it now.

[thesunfan]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

I did not switch; storn is clear boys

[thesunfan]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

while its impressive the wolves roleread Ben enough to YOLO like that, its probably still the incorrect play to not kill me, even if I am hard-clearing the last wolf.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

Right.

So how do you feel that whoever the last wolf is just hard incriminated you?

Also Sunfan is remaining blue alive and we should be following him wholeheartedly

Well storn is clear

So fmpov its between you, xel, and kiba.

I don't think it's you after how far this game has gone. Xel is perfectly capable of orchestrating something like this. Kiba would have had to have dumb luck or a good seer. I look really shitty right now and I'm not sure what to do because I'm going to sleep. Please don't insta anyone while I'm sleeping that would be a terrible play
Going to sleep for real

[_Zenith_]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

Storn and Sunfan are clear
I'm only read as town but nothing confirms it, the best I have is the Roleswap with Sunfan
AA is ???
Xel is ???
Kiba is ???

[thesunfan]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

yep, no speedy lynches this phase.
myself and storn are lock clear.
Even if we lynch a town this phase, I get another shot at jailing the wolf tonight, which is why it really doesn't make sense for Ben to have died.
I'm still setting up my new laptop (yay) so I'll post more once I have that done.

I'm thinking about lynching inside of my hard town reads from the first phase today.

sorry storn I just thought dfr was trying to pull a fast one with the red check.

[storn42]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

i still read kiba as green. personally i would like to put pressure on AA or Xel.

[_Zenith_]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

Having two clears gives us more breathing room as well.

I actually don't think Kiba could perform a suboptimal play like that but I can't rule Kiba out due to being sloppy yet attentive, while lurking constantly at EoD/EoN.
Xel makes sense because he is capable, but I'm not sure and would have to really dig into his posts.
AA No idea, he never played wolf and still doesn't have the knowledge of most optimal plays for both sides so null p much in terms of who killed Benguin

[_Zenith_]

Re: jTWG LXVIII (Gam red) - Welcoe to

Almost looks like we need to lynch Xel AA first but out of those two I don't know.

I still really want to pin AA as a wolf