Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
I wish I wasn't on my phone. Can someone quote plops reads post for me
I wish I wasn't on my phone. Can someone quote plops reads post for me
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
I had AA as town before it was cool
Originally posted by FictionJunctionComment
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
we all also aren't uncool because none of us would've killed lucyComment
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
He voted for me but claimed that I would be PR hunting but maybe didn't have time so let my partner make the kill lol
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
Why please explain unsubstantiated posts are worse than substantiated ones'
jrodd here you go
TOWN:
Sunfan - What I'm seeing from sunfan is indicative of what I'm accustomed to seeing from him as town. He has a solid, genuine sounding tone, and his post about zenith saying "but I don't especially think it'll hit a wolf" really strikes me as something that a wolf wouldn't bother to say. Why open yourself up to the argument of "Well if you didn't think it'd hit why would you vote there?!" unless you're trying to be genuine and inform others of your uncertainty? I mean, he is a skilled player regardless of alignment so I know that he could fake this stuff or calculate what would seem townie, but his tone is just so pure. My main suspicion of him, however, is that his recurring comments about being short on time or having only skimmed things or read posts early in the morning or needing to reread/rethink could be a way of having cover for getting mislynches or making scummy plays. At this point that seems unlikely since his remorse comes across as real, especially in comparison to other games I've played with him where he's been a townie short on time.
Mashi - Earlier I suspected mashi for posting quote walls and not participating in dialogues, acting like he's in a plastic bubble and premeditating everything he posts. However, on my reread I discovered that I was having some confirmation bias happening. Mashi did indeed enter into dialogues, at least around EOD or in his questioning of me and my motivations. Him having me as his super duper, tunnel-worthy, let's-lynch-this-dude-pronto top scum read for all of the game but then relenting and reconsidering his take once the day phase/my posting began is very townie to me too.
NULL:
AA - AA is an odd one. He responds and defends himself without fail to every accusation that's made against him, which I think is more townie than scummy (ie town player tries to prevent mislynch and prove purity, wolf shrugs off a few of the attacks so as to not look so defensive and draw attention to how much they're being attacked), and he seems adamant to solve the game, understand why people are thinking the way they are (especially in accusing him, like when he tried to get inside squirrel's head), and earlier was starved for content. And yet, I noticed on my reread that despite wishing for content and dialogue, once I posted that reads list that mashi et al disliked he never commented on it. I feel like if he were starved for something then he could've dissected that a little bit. Also, his read on squirrel is kinda odd: he began by saying that squirrel was his strongest town read, then at 303 he questioned squirrel a bit and pointed out some stuff he disliked about him but said that he was still reading squirrel town regardless of the shade he casted, then closer to EOD after zenith had pushed on squirrel he said “squirrel seems town,” then after the lynch he suspected squirrel as scum, then on a reread of squirrel's posts he concluded that squirrel was null/slight town and not a strong town like before, then after the nightkill he said that I was his top scum lean because his previous top scum lean, squirrel, who was no longer a null/slight town but a top scum read, was dead and I got promoted from 2nd to 1st. Weird progression, though somewhat understandable I suppose. Null for now, perhaps slight town.
Xel - Began and continued the game with anime gifs and jokes, and at one point he said that nothing had happened yet in the thread with a tone of indignation that sounded genuine to me. He's UTR and cold, which is his wolf meta (or his SK meta
), but his lengthy/detailed write-up about his IRL/job circumstances and reasoning for why he's been UTR and cold looks too detailed to be a lie. I don't think his lack of presence is entirely alignment indicative. His emotion in response to zenith's death seems legitimate too. Also, like jrodd pointed out, wolf xel tends to post some fake content early on to make up for the UTRness and I haven't seen that. I want to see some more content from him to know for certain where I stand though because, despite his circumstances being legitimate, he could still very well be using them to his advantage as scum, and what we have from him right now is too minuscule to be certain about one way or the other.
SCUM:
helphelp – A quick skim of the previous jTWG shows me that he tried to figure things out more so than he's doing here (for instance, examining the reasoning for why people had voted for gradiant). Here he's posting the bare minimum, and several of his posts are “safe” responses that seem like posting for the sake of posting/having a presence without having to voice actual concerns (like asking why people are voting for a certain person, or pointing out the time or game mechanics). I see jokes, I see questions with some follow ups if they aren't answered, I see interjections, but I see no solving of the game aside from his reads post. At 94 he says “Well, I'm here now. Everyone is probably EST, but I'm PST. Yay sleeping,” which reads to me that he's worried about being scumread for lack of presence and content. Normally that would be okay, but he does nothing to mitigate those suspicions. When he does provide content in the forms of a reads list, he doesn't include any scumreads, and he points this out. Additionally, in his reads he says of AA: “Asking questions, getting conversation, which is always good. Town lean,” and then at 241 says of him: “Sure, he seems a bit off because he isn't obviously town, but I'm still at the slight town read. Very slightly.” There was no mention of slight town reads earlier on, only pure town. This strikes me as opportunistic given how he had revised his earlier town read only after AA had been thrown around by sunfan, shadow, and squirrel as a lynch candidate. He did the same thing to squirrel at 322 after Zenith began to push against him too (in his earlier reads squirrel was a slight town). So basically, it's a mix of commentary mode and opportunistic play that's making me read him scum. I'm wary because, as I said before, this could be the mark of an anxious townie, but I'm not feeling that as strongly as I was before. There's still lots of time for him to step it up and prove me wrong though.
Jrodd – This read relies a bit on my read on helphelp. Jrodd, beyond having a clean tone and providing commentary/assistance/the occasional original insight (such as sunfan leaving his vote parked), isn't coming across to me as townie as he tends to. He talks about being uncertain and unsure of who the wolves are, but there isn't much of an attempt to combat that uncertainty and figure things out until after the mislynch and he's in a sort of damage control mode. Where's the WIM that he always carries with him? There's also a suspicious dynamic going on between him and help: at 137 he says help is “kind of” in commentary mode and that with respect to his vote/accusation “you can respond to this.” I know he said that it could be because help is a new player afraid to get his feet wet, but I could see this as coaching his scum partner. Help never responded to jrodd's accusations (despite posting at the same time as jrodd wondering where he was), and jrodd never followed up on his accusations until later in the phase, which is interesting considering that help had posted his reads list while jrodd was in the thread but he ignored it in favor of talking about xel and AA. He got his person of interest to post some content and he didn't do anything with it...no WIM there at all. At 335 he says “in that same mindset, helphelp why haven't you placed a vote yet?”, which seems like coaching because of the call and response phrasing: earlier he points out that sunfan had parked his vote but directs this comment to the thread (ie “sunfan did this which is weird”, not “hey sunfan why'd you do this, it's weird”), whereas with helphelp he talks to him one-on-one. At 370 he drops a vote on helphelp when it was 2/2 between squirrel and zenith and helphelp had no votes, which I think is his last attempt to get his partner to unfreeze during such a crucial time since he posted a minute later talking about choosing between zenith and squirrel, leading me to believe that the helphelp vote was BS to begin with. I could see me misinterpreting the coaching stuff as jrodd trying to coach independent of alignment and simply because of the jtwg setting, but the lack of WIM with respect to one of his top scum leans is too damning to ignore. Also, on the opposite side of the dynamic, helphelp's wordiest post next to his reads list and that one post about AA/squirrel is this relatively unimportant point about jrodd:
Seriously, iso his posts and tell me that this post doesn't stick out in terms of wordiness and depth in comparison to his other posts. In my view, he says a lot about jrodd because jrodd is his partner and what he says about his partner needs to be airtight.
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
That was referring to plop obv
Originally posted by FictionJunctionComment
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
Wow that was longer than I remembered
Originally posted by FictionJunctionComment
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
Wait.....I just realized plops conclusion is completely flawed lol he's saying me and helphelp are partners even tho I was starting a helphelp wagon before zenith subbed when there already was v/v wagons. Ya that's something I'd do w/w with help
Originally posted by FictionJunctionComment
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
That is one of the weirdest hedge reads I've ever seen....I just read his entire "case" on me, I freaked out about getting votes for that wow
Originally posted by FictionJunctionComment
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
The Sqwerl kill is what I find vexing, because I struggle to see where someone might have thought he was a Special over someone else. I feel like the kill doesn't fit in with most Players and if it does, it's only for circumstantial reasons (e.g. An experienced Wolf was too busy to make a better kill), which isn't really that great an explanation.
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
Go go countercase let's see it
Well the scenario that the squirl kill would make most sense would be a AA/helphelp wolf team but that doesn't fit because I'm not a wolf. If we assume (for now) that helphelp is a wolf I'm just not sure which vet would choose to kill squirl (assuming the vet leads the wolfkill decision which I think is a safe assumption). Either way I think helphelp is a good lynch at the moment but we'll see if he comes up with anything.
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
Well I mean if you wanna open that box sunfan is the only one with a "reason" to kill squirt because they had a meta together. Or you can go look at the final reads of squirt and see if he was gonna push a non-zenith person hard. I know he had me as his top town.
Originally posted by FictionJunctionComment
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Re: jTWG LXXVII: DFR and the Six Dakis: Reloaded GAME THREAD
Also the fact that plops wolf read on me relies heavily on help being a wolf, but he votes me over help????
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