TWG XXVI: The Werewolf Game TWG (game over)

[lightdarkness]

Tass

ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE DOING HIM, ER, IT!

[MiniNeo]

Tass, who is less helpful now? -.-

[Afrobean]

ROFLPANTS FAST VOTTING

There are 2 more for insta on Tass.

[talisman]

ok. here's my perspective. I know I'm human. I know tass saved me. I know that tass likes having me dead as a wolf. Therefore I'm going to assume that it's very likely tass is also human because he saved me, when, as a wolf, he really doesn't gain anything by letting me live. My trust? What's that worth, when the whole game is against me? Wolves play towards the majority opinion, something you pointed out yourself, hanssky, in your reasoning for why mead was (in your opinion) a human.

Now, I'll entertain the perspective that the anti talis/tass crowd seems to have. Your reasoning is that tass and I are acting on the third level, the levels looking something like this:

1. Wolves act the same.
2. Wolves create separation between themselves so as not to appear the same.
3. Wolves act the same so as not to seem like wolves who are creating separation between themselves so as not to appear the same.

The problem is something you all overlooked on day one, which is where tass calls me an idiot in his first post. This was with regard to my question about the randomness thing... you all remember that. Clearly, calling your wolf partner an idiot is something you don't do if you're on the third level, it's second level. So, why, if we're wolves together do we decide to then go on and play third level?

And don't give me "well in his post he didn't remember your name therefore he might not have known he was creating separation". If your wolf partner makes a post, you pay attention to it, more attention to it than you would to other posts because you want to make sure your partner isn't fucking up or ruining a plan or something.

Now with that out of the way... who is/are the real wolf/wolves? Here's the list (myself and hans left off):

mini
tass
nforcer
ld
eb
kilga

tass I've ruled out for reasons already stated, perhaps prematurely perhaps not.

mini... the only scenario I see him as being a wolf in is the one in which he is the only one left, as if he had a partner, I know his partner would be bitching the crap out of him to make more quality posts, etc. Even if he's the only one left, that doesn't explain the tps kill, which seems to me to be fairly intelligent.

ld - god help us if he's a wolf. I still think he'd try more if he was, but who knows. A possibility.

nforcer - behaviorally both he and fojar have struck me as human. Not much more than that.

eb - same as nforcer... plus I don't see him getting a phantom as a wolf. Not his style.

kilga - now this is a possibility. I leaned towards human a few days ago because I thought his tone change day two was too sudden/obvious a move for him to make as a wolf. His vote yesterday though makes me reconsider. It sounds a little off the way he tries to sound like he doesn't want to be persuaded into voting tass. Plus I'd expect the wolf/wolves to have at least SOME semblance of activity, and kilga fits that profile.

And honestly, based on the voting thus far... I would not be surprised at all if it were kilga/ld (even though I still like mead's chances a decent amount... not as much now, but it's still there).

Going to go re-read to see what evidence would support/deny that picture.

[Tasselfoot]

Mini... you're a fucktard. Don't ever join TWG again. Just because people are voting me does not mean that I'm not being helpful and/or active. Your post furthers that point.

Unfortunately, I'm in a position where I have to defend myself fully... moreso than being able to go offensive.

Hans is voting me for the reasons Talisman said above. That is obvious to everyone... BUT... he is unwilling to change because of his anger and thickheadedness of wanting his way to be THE way.. aka, he's upset that my late day 2/3 actions resulted in him not getting the person he wanted lynched to be lynched. Well, I'm sorry he feels that way, but its pretty juvenile to get ME lynched just because of that. He'd have done the same thing as me if he believed it was the correct thing to do.

Kilga voting me, I still don't quite understand. He has yet to contact me on AIM to talk to me about it, which I'd have expected. It came pretty much out of the blue LATE on day 3... when he then comes forward now on day 4 with voting me because he doesn't want things messed up last minute? Excuse me if YOU were the one who CAUSED the last minute actions last game... you have only yourself to blame. Don't use that as a reason.

I've already adressed Mini... who has not voted me.

And LD... who didn't post at all yesterday, got phantomed, then RANDOMLY votes me... again, with no logic or reasoning behind it. STOP ACTING LIKE A SMALL PAWN. Read the fucking thread for once and make a decision for yourself. I understand you were"forced" into playing this game, and you really don't give a shit... but I kinda do. I don't want to be lynched... and I'd appreciate it if you had enough respect for the game itself to not make such decisions so haphazardly.



Not one of you has a decent reason for voting me, as explained above. I'd appreciate some form of response from all three of you.

[lightdarkness]

Just so ya'll know

there is no reasoning behind my vote, besides the fact that I think it's a reason.

(7:21:35 PM) TasselFoot: than would you explain your vote beyond making it a joke?
(7:21:51 PM) TasselFoot: because it seems to me that nobody has a decent reason to vote me... you least of all.
(7:22:12 PM) Jay: I honestly and truly think you're a wofl
(7:22:22 PM) TasselFoot: why.
(7:22:49 PM) Jay: You're just like that
(7:22:56 PM) TasselFoot: that isn't a reason.
(7:23:00 PM) TasselFoot: your vote on me had no reason.
(7:23:01 PM) Jay: I think it is
(7:23:07 PM) TasselFoot: well, its not.
(7:23:13 PM) Jay: dang

[Kilgamayan]

There isn't really concrete, logical evidence behind some of these votes. I know I personally don't have much to offer in the way of a tangible reason.

I vote the way I do because I feel Tass and talisman are the biggest threats, and thus I would feel the most relieved with them gone. Normally I'm willing to take everything they say at face value, but this game they've both just been...weird, I dunno. I've been skahen up ever since that "shut up" line in the convo that Hans pointed out. Sure, a viable explanation was provided, but that doesn't prevent it from lingering in the back of my mind.

The fact that they actually stand out to me is frightening to me because it's never happened before.

I know this probably isn't what you're looking for, but it's a lot harder to convey feelings than it is logic in a webforum medium.

[talisman]

Tass' vote post from day one:

Hans, my early comments re: non-random roles are all tied together (the ones your quote). I was lazy and didn't feel like going back and double checking who started the comments in the thread, so I posted the 1st part. Then talisman posts the convo with you, and you bring up the non-random roles nonsense, so I naturally assume you started it and post that so others can be aware how retarded it is and who started it. Then talisman corrects me that HE started it and you were only commenting about it after the fact in the convo... so of course I give the "lol my bad" against you, but give the evil eye to talisman instead. make sense?

Lastly, I'm going to throw a vote on Mead. Someone asked me over AIM while I was out if I thought anyway was human more than 50/50... and atm there is only one. The person Mead is attacking. Therefore Mead gets my vote. Especially his latest post... the information he calls against iggy is so stretched and out of character for a jTWGer in his 1st TWG... its not even funny.

Note the part at the end. Guess who it was that sent out the IM asking about who they thought was human more than 50/50... me. Some of you know this because I sent the same IM to several people. Here's the log of it with tass... he never responded:

stressreliefball (2:58:11 PM): brief twg question: does anyone in the game so far strike you as being more human than just 50/50 undecided?
Auto response from TasselFoot (2:58:12 PM): Arcade games with rankings! http://www.ffrcade.com

TasselFoot (6:30:31 PM): so we haven't talked yet... bad timing or something. you've posted a few convos, but as far as I can tell, not too much opinion...

Auto response from stressreliefball (6:30:31 PM): dinner


(not sure if tass's question to me was the same day or later... I didn't see it til just now anyway.) And to prove that I didn't just pull that out of my ass... the same question posed to kilga at the same time, which he can prove:

stressreliefball (2:57:07 PM): brief twg question: does anyone in the game so far strike you as being more human than just 50/50 undecided?
bjstrattonIM is idle at 3:06:27 PM.
bjstrattonIM is no longer idle at 5:07:08 PM.
bjstrattonIM (5:07:45 PM): I'd have to take a good look to give you an honest opinion, I haven't been paying too much attention to detail so far
stressreliefball (5:08:06 PM): ok, kind of what I suspected

The point is this: if he and I are connected, why does he all of the sudden forget that it was I who asked him that question (conceivably any two wolves who are wolves together would know and have a good recollection of when they fake a convo together) when he had been talking about me in the last paragraph? It wouldn't have made sense to do so if we were wolves together and were playing on the third level. By not mentioning my name separation is increased and if we were wolves that would mean we'd have to be on the second level, not the third.

[MiniNeo]

Well, my comment is directed towards ld. (who posted *gasp* once more after you questioned him) now that he actually have a reason (._.) I take it back.

[HansSky]

The problem is something you all overlooked on day one, which is where tass calls me an idiot in his first post. This was with regard to my question about the randomness thing... you all remember that. Clearly, calling your wolf partner an idiot is something you don't do if you're on the third level, it's second level. So, why, if we're wolves together do we decide to then go on and play third level?

Okay, now you're just making shit up. He had no idea who he was talking about, he was just calling somebody an idiot. I can bring it up if you really want me to, but I know for a fact that he said said something like "Oh, and whoever suggested nonrandom roles, you're an idiot". When he was corrected, he apologized and commenced the anal love.

[talisman]

And don't give me "well in his post he didn't remember your name therefore he might not have known he was creating separation". If your wolf partner makes a post, you pay attention to it, more attention to it than you would to other posts because you want to make sure your partner isn't #$#ing up or ruining a plan or something.

[HansSky]

TasselFoot (7:18:48 PM): go read my post on page16. talisman's too.

Auto response from NotSoFarOff (7:18:48 PM): bbl

NotSoFarOff (8:46:09 PM): there's a page 16?
NotSoFarOff (8:46:11 PM): wild.
NotSoFarOff (8:46:34 PM): no there isn't
NotSoFarOff (8:46:36 PM): you lied to me.
NotSoFarOff (8:47:25 PM): wow tass
NotSoFarOff (8:47:27 PM): stfu
NotSoFarOff (8:47:36 PM): I am not listening to you as much as you would.
NotSoFarOff (8:47:55 PM): If you think I'm a wolf, you take everything with a grain of salt.
NotSoFarOff (8:48:25 PM): At least I take what you say with a grain of...
NotSoFarOff (8:48:36 PM): Pepper?
TasselFoot (8:51:05 PM): page 15... you know what i meant. sorry, was afk.
TasselFoot (8:51:21 PM): perhaps you should listen to kilga? if not me.
TasselFoot (8:51:50 PM): and, that isn't even true... so many times i've changed my vote after talking to someone
NotSoFarOff (8:53:16 PM): I don't remember
NotSoFarOff (8:53:18 PM): but anyway
NotSoFarOff (8:53:48 PM): The fact is, I STRONGLY feel that we lynched 3 humans in a row, rather you are a wolf or not.
TasselFoot (8:54:06 PM): then if that is how you feel, it'll be 4 if you lynch me.
NotSoFarOff (8:54:14 PM): You still seem to think mead is a wolf, which is beyond me
TasselFoot (8:54:26 PM): i'm at the point where i'm willing to say... kill talisman. i said it to kilga. i know i'm human, i think talisman is human.
TasselFoot (8:54:31 PM): if one of us has to die, kill him.
NotSoFarOff (8:54:32 PM): You're not that thick unless you're a wolf.
NotSoFarOff (8:54:36 PM): And you can be pretty thick.
TasselFoot (8:54:47 PM): i never said that i still thought mead was a wolf. didn't say i didn't either though
NotSoFarOff (8:55:06 PM): You certainly enertain the idea
TasselFoot (8:55:29 PM): yes. but if you are going to push that as wolfish as well, talisman mentioned it in one of his 2 posts today.
TasselFoot (8:55:33 PM): whereas i did not.
NotSoFarOff (8:55:58 PM): I just don't see how you could see his actions as wolfish
NotSoFarOff (8:56:09 PM): and if you both think he's a wolf
NotSoFarOff (8:56:22 PM): the past two lynches make no sense partner wise
TasselFoot (8:56:26 PM): kilga made this point to me.... that he was voting me in part because i dismissed the suspicion on me that was seperate than talisman... but i replyed that there was none. and he checked the thread and saw that was pretty much true.
TasselFoot (8:56:34 PM): which certainly makes talisman a better choice than me.
NotSoFarOff (8:56:36 PM): We NEED to go in a different direction today.
TasselFoot (8:56:49 PM): then get off of me if you want a different direction.
NotSoFarOff (8:56:59 PM): lol
NotSoFarOff (8:57:27 PM): (ps I'm not as mad now so I'm actually telling you why I'm frustrated)
TasselFoot (8:57:49 PM): i'm trying to do anything i can to get you to see you're wrong. and as you feel so strongly that we only have 2 lynchings left, instead of 3, then it would be in your best interest to at least entertain the fact that i might be right.
TasselFoot (9:04:35 PM): and i'm willing to accept that talisman may be playing me
NotSoFarOff (9:04:39 PM): You are getting lynched sometime before the game is over.
NotSoFarOff (9:04:48 PM): If not today
NotSoFarOff (9:04:52 PM): (probably today lolz)
TasselFoot (9:05:28 PM): fine. you're fixed on talisman and i.... your initial gut told you talisman on day 2. and just about all the evidence since then has pointed to talisman as well, yet you've fixated on me.... because i'm me.
TasselFoot (9:06:05 PM): and i'll worry about tomorrow tomorrow.
NotSoFarOff (9:07:02 PM): I can not, out of good conscience at this point, let you and talisman live until the end of the game.
TasselFoot (9:07:25 PM): then kill talisman first. and i'll worry about talking you out of it if the game is still going on.
NotSoFarOff (9:08:11 PM): If the time you guys are lynched the game isn't over..
NotSoFarOff (9:08:40 PM): Although it should be, because if you aren't wolves then there are probably two wolves left
TasselFoot (9:08:51 PM): if both of us are lynched and the game doesn't end, then talisman had to be a wolf.
TasselFoot (9:09:02 PM): if you kill us both, and we're both human, the game ends.
TasselFoot (9:09:15 PM): assuming none of the 3 previous kills were wolves.
TasselFoot (9:09:18 PM): which you believe.
NotSoFarOff (9:09:57 PM): If you aren't wolves
NotSoFarOff (9:10:12 PM): I will bang my head on the computer desk until it bleeds
NotSoFarOff (9:10:18 PM): And say gg wolves.
TasselFoot (9:10:21 PM): which is again why i'm pushing for talisman first.... cause i know i'm human. the game could end after talisman is lynched for all we know. you lynch me, it won't end.
TasselFoot (9:11:38 PM): if you're so sure of yourself, why does order matter?
NotSoFarOff (9:11:58 PM): because you're a bastard
NotSoFarOff (9:12:04 PM): I'll think about it
TasselFoot (9:12:07 PM): especially when there is much more against talisman than me.
TasselFoot (9:12:10 PM): and that is fact.
TasselFoot (9:12:21 PM): about the only damn fact that has been tossed around the past day or two

Talisman

[Kilgamayan]

talisman

I suppose in the end it doesn't matter to me which of you loses your head, as long as it's one of you.

[nforcer06164]

Can somebody please explain to me what there is against Talisman? I don't see the reason for suspicion of him, unless I missed something by reading the thread after coming in late. I mean, I have good faith in Hans's intuition as usual, but I don't see what this "threat" that Kilga mentioned is all about. I feel so clueless and that's not cool ._.

PS Kilga's "biggest threats" comment, coupled with the elimination strategy, did not sit well with me, maybe because I don't understand exactly what's going on. Until someone explains the dirt on Talisman a bit, I'm going to maintain an independent mind and keep an eye on Kilga.

[MiniNeo]

Basically because them two having similiar opinion and stuff and HansSky accusing them two using third level psychology to trixx us >_>

Oh well, btw, if anyone of you *>_>* feels like I am doing a bad job playing, feel free to talk/yell/punch/e-violence me on aim.