TWG XXVI: The Werewolf Game TWG (game over)

[FoJaR]

RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

my feeling that there was a vet among the wolves was not based on statistics, but on my feelings about the fish kill on night one.

[FishFishRevolution]

RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

It wasn't supposed to end this way, my darling.

We'll see each other again one day...I promise.

[iggymatrixcounter]

Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

Based on the first few posts, I'm watching Iggy. He may be a jTWGer, but the first game I played with him, he proved to be much smarter then his posts suggested initially. He was also a rather good wolf in the game after that. Nothing major or anything, but just a suspicion off the top of my head.

This is true but just for clarification I've only played 3 games (So all the rules aren't solid to me yet.) And the first game I played, Mead was confirmed psychic and I worked with him, and second game I was a wolf that had the seer reveal himself to me day 2. (third game doesn't count, was lynched because everyone was acting like the game was thier personal GB.)

As far as suspicions, I'm looking mostly at vash because the 2 times I saw him play as a human, he pretty much didn't help at all and would start things. As a wolf though he did about 1-2 posts a day summing up what others have already stated to slip under the radar. Early to make this assumption but I don't know how most of the people play so I've got nothing to compare.

To Tass:

As I said above, valid. BUT, he puts his opinion initially on the other jtwgers AND himself... instead of ruling himself out like TPS did in his post directly following

I think he did this because gonzo omitted himself in a list similar to that and gonzo got lynched, maybe he just doesn't want to repeat it, though I don't though if that makes him more or less wolfish, just a fact on why he did it.

Haven't talked to many people (just fojar) so after a few convos, I'll have something to work with.

[iggymatrixcounter]

RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

After talking with a few vet TWGer's, I've really found nothing, nothing really to go on but got a bit of background on some people. The only conclusions I've found is that Tass is uber good, LD and Kilga are laid back, eb analyzes theories, and that some of the vets have become less active. That may help other jTWG playing but talking with members of each party consists of practically different strategies.

But I've asked similar questions and have found that no one is really "equal" on how they view things or ideas that people post. Now maybe I'm over analyzing but it would seem that statistically, yes a vet has to be a wolf. But now figuring who would pick fish is anyone's guess. (for me because I don't have much past history) Maybe I'm being over analitical* but there has to be a link between, helpfulness to random people and your role. In the jTWG group, not too many people will tell you their strategy. TWG: people will discuss practically everything. jTWG: wolves talk to you more than humans. TWG: no absolute conclusion. jTWG: you get lynched because "you act funny". TWG: same to a point. (If you act funny you get seered then killed if found wolf)

I would really like to talk to Tass to find a few things also, maybe the reason that bad guesses are made is because not enough data is collected/ compared. I'll drop a couple PM's since I didn't get to everyone.

But something that is interesting is that, this mix of TWG and jTWG has advantages and disadvantages to both parties. I foresee a huge "wrench" being thrown into the gears, mainly because the jTWGers will bandwagon someone's (Tass lol) vote because "they know what they are doing."

In either case until more info is collected, everyone checks out to me.

[Tasselfoot]

RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

Iggy... I'm glad you're being very proactive. I like that. Alot.

A few pointers... most obviously... PROOFREAD your posts. They are rife with incorrect words, misspelled words, words being used twice in a row. Nickpicking I know, but it took me about 2x as long to read and there is a chance something of what you meant to say was understood differently than what I took you to mean.

Please don't say things so black and white as "but it would seem that statistically, yes a vet has to be a wolf." As I said above, math says it is MOST LIKELY of the 3 options. That is in no way a certainty. Even 1 in 1 million odds can hit. You never know until it is over. Instead try and continue talking to people and working out strategy so you can implicate others for actual reasons... not the old jTWG adage of "you act funny" or my personal favorite of "he's still around... must be a wolf."

Also, I'm ALWAYS online... hit me up and I'll be glad to talk. We've talked about the arcade before, so you shouldn't have a reason to be shy. That goes for anyone else as well. My posts so far have been.... intentionally avoiding contributing heavily to accusations early in day 1. I'd rather influence the thought process of our newer members so that they can make intelligent votes through the entire game, not just blindly follow like the middle-tier of jTWG.

Iggy, I'm all about data. Not sure what data you're looking to collect for this game as of yet... but talk to me about it. I can almost certainly be of use, with my historical spreadsheet and all.

I sincerely hope the jTWGers who have moved up to TWG are smart enough to think for themselves and make INTELLIGENT votes (I already said this). Also, don't be afraid to CHANGE your vote after making it initially. New information is always coming to light and your opinion CAN change. Don't rush your votes either like jTWGers are prone to do.

Oh yea... no seer this game Iggy, so suspicious people can't be seered.

Oh yea again... Iggy, in your 1st post you comment about suspicions against Vash, then you quote me in my comments about Vash and seemingly defend him (not completely, but mentioning it at all is a defense of him). The two paragraphs contradict each other.

[talisman]

In case anyone wants to see it, this is the convo I had with iggy. I'm making it small so it doesn't rape the page size and because there isn't anything groundbreaking in there. But I guess it could be useful as a resource. Copy + paste it somewhere else to read it. I thought ctrl + scroll would work but apparently the size tags are permanent.

PS: my thoughts on the convo- he's genuinely interested in getting to know stuff, or at least wants to maintain that appearance. His post above me clearly shows that he had some backgroud motive for talking to different people (the testing to see how helpful they would be to him). And towards the end his question of what I thought of him has to be some sort of a litmus test. And isn't something I'd think a wolf would do... as wolves a) don't want the attention b) don't want to appear like they're asking for the attention in order to make it look like they can't be wolves. That's convoluted but I think it makes sense. Either way it's hard to draw conclusions since I don't really know iggy that well.


Iggy911Mc (10:41:23 PM): talisman right?
stressreliefball (10:41:30 PM): yes
Iggy911Mc (10:41:55 PM): win much on the super bowl game?
stressreliefball (10:42:14 PM): not really... didn't bet on it this yera
Iggy911Mc (10:42:23 PM): meh me neither
Iggy911Mc (10:42:45 PM): but at any rate i wanted to get ur feelings on tass's comment after u posted those convos
stressreliefball (10:43:02 PM): the "so hans brought it up" one?
Iggy911Mc (10:43:05 PM): where tass said that it was interesting that hans was pushing nonrandom picks
Iggy911Mc (10:43:07 PM): yea
Iggy911Mc (10:43:12 PM): y is that interesting
stressreliefball (10:43:25 PM): well I'm not really sure why he found it interesting
stressreliefball (10:43:55 PM): perhaps he saw it as a kind of indication of something or the other with hans, I dunno
Iggy911Mc (10:43:58 PM): think hes just trying to bring hans out?
Iggy911Mc (10:44:03 PM): on a guilty trip
stressreliefball (10:44:23 PM): well probably not... hans is too good, if he were a wolf, to fall for that kind of thing
stressreliefball (10:44:58 PM): it does sort of add suspicion hans' way
stressreliefball (10:45:26 PM): it referring to tass' post pre my explanation
Iggy911Mc (10:45:51 PM): in TWG is the smallest detail usually something gives away someone? bc in jtwg it was whoever slipped first got lynched and usually was wrong
stressreliefball (10:46:11 PM): well day one in TWG we have a fairly awful track record
Iggy911Mc (10:46:12 PM): to state that better...
Iggy911Mc (10:46:22 PM): ok so u knew what i meant
stressreliefball (10:46:32 PM): in games where no blue-related event was there
stressreliefball (10:46:39 PM): I think like once we got a wolf day one
Iggy911Mc (10:46:44 PM): ic
stressreliefball (10:46:48 PM): without a seering or some other such thing
Iggy911Mc (10:46:53 PM): was it luck or actual evidence
stressreliefball (10:47:04 PM): I don't really know
stressreliefball (10:47:13 PM): it was before I played, I think
stressreliefball (10:47:18 PM): anyway
stressreliefball (10:47:22 PM): to answer your question
stressreliefball (10:47:36 PM): people typically get lynched for small dumb reasons, yes
stressreliefball (10:48:02 PM): although those reasons tend to be more like "he seems off"
stressreliefball (10:48:15 PM): than something like what tass did
stressreliefball (10:48:30 PM): when wolves do get caught it's not generally because they made a mistake
stressreliefball (10:48:45 PM): it's more because either blues figured them out or people just started adding up the evidence
Iggy911Mc (10:49:05 PM): well thats what ive noticed, but it would almost seem that the most concrete guy would be a wolf wouldnt it bc they would be more careful as what they were saying and make sure everything matched and no lies or contradictions could be found?
Iggy911Mc (10:49:28 PM): have u ever been a wolf?
stressreliefball (10:49:34 PM): yes, but the good humans are like that as well
stressreliefball (10:49:44 PM): yeah I've been a wolf at least once
stressreliefball (10:50:00 PM): I forget if I was a wolf again after that
Iggy911Mc (10:50:10 PM): what was ur strategy or do u remember?
stressreliefball (10:50:25 PM): well I was pretty much a failure at it... I was still fairly new
stressreliefball (10:50:38 PM): I tried to talk less
Iggy911Mc (10:50:40 PM): whered u mess up?
stressreliefball (10:50:42 PM): and appear helpful
stressreliefball (10:50:58 PM): where I messed up was in sounding forced and not being as active as I had been previously
stressreliefball (10:51:00 PM): plus
stressreliefball (10:51:02 PM): I got seered
stressreliefball (10:51:09 PM): but that's what got me seered
Iggy911Mc (10:51:19 PM): was there any suspicion on u until then?
Iggy911Mc (10:51:24 PM): o ok
stressreliefball (10:51:33 PM): yeah tps was seer that game
stressreliefball (10:51:40 PM): he thought I was suspicious, he seered me
Iggy911Mc (10:52:03 PM): so whats the common role that wolves play as far as posting goes?
stressreliefball (10:52:14 PM): depends on the person, really
Iggy911Mc (10:52:18 PM): small medium or large basically is what im looking for
stressreliefball (10:52:38 PM): like if a typically inactive player is a wolf
Iggy911Mc (10:52:45 PM): the reason i asked these questions is bc i dont know how TWG is played and how different it is from jTWG
stressreliefball (10:52:48 PM): they will probably appear more active as a wolf
stressreliefball (10:53:01 PM): most wolves want to maintain the appearance of being involved in the game
Iggy911Mc (10:53:11 PM): so whats ur view on vash and his style or have u played many games with him?
stressreliefball (10:53:13 PM): it's rare that a wolf will get phantoms or not post for a while
stressreliefball (10:53:21 PM): well I've played a couple with him
stressreliefball (10:53:30 PM): he got lynched early both times I think
stressreliefball (10:53:36 PM): and wrongly, too
Iggy911Mc (10:53:50 PM): same here but he was lynched basically for being a douche
stressreliefball (10:54:03 PM): he tends to seem more suspicious than he is
stressreliefball (10:54:19 PM): that's been my general judgment of him
Iggy911Mc (10:54:22 PM): but his semi helpful post is the biggest thing i see so far and i just want to know if im the only one making that assumption
stressreliefball (10:54:44 PM): well at this stage I can go either way with that post
Iggy911Mc (10:54:44 PM): so wolf human or undecided on his part?
stressreliefball (10:54:48 PM): undecided
Iggy911Mc (10:55:00 PM): split 50-50?
stressreliefball (10:55:07 PM): basically yes
stressreliefball (10:55:30 PM): the fact that he IM-d me after my first post about the random role thing
stressreliefball (10:55:39 PM): makes me lean human a little I guess
stressreliefball (10:55:59 PM): doesn't seem like a wolfy thing to do... as the wolves would have more knowledge of those matters
Iggy911Mc (10:56:00 PM): and y would u say that
Iggy911Mc (10:56:39 PM): true never thought of that
stressreliefball (10:56:58 PM): I just don't see a wolf thinking it's in his best interest to contact me about something that minor
stressreliefball (10:57:14 PM): but whatever, it's far too small a thing to go on right now
stressreliefball (10:57:20 PM): which is why I'm still undecided
Iggy911Mc (10:58:24 PM): ok he def seems more human to me, bc when we were wolves together he didnt do anything constructive on his own
Iggy911Mc (10:58:49 PM): whats up with LD's post?
Iggy911Mc (10:58:55 PM): random humor?
stressreliefball (10:59:02 PM): fairly typical of him and kilga really
Iggy911Mc (10:59:14 PM): ic
stressreliefball (10:59:27 PM): they both survive and win a lot of games by rendering themselves seemingly value-less
stressreliefball (10:59:40 PM): well ld moreso of late than kilga
stressreliefball (10:59:57 PM): kilga will probably make a decent vote post when he gets around to it
Iggy911Mc (11:00:03 PM): they pretty consistant no matter what their role is?
stressreliefball (11:00:06 PM): ld will probably random
stressreliefball (11:00:25 PM): well if ld isn't green
stressreliefball (11:00:29 PM): he will try
Iggy911Mc (11:00:31 PM): so if i asked LD to make a vote and y it cant be trusted bc itll be random?
stressreliefball (11:00:59 PM): well if you asked ld to make a vote he'd probably be like "I don't know enough yet" or something
stressreliefball (11:01:41 PM): it would be typical of him to either random or go with someone that alot have mentioned as suspicious
stressreliefball (11:01:55 PM): ld rarely will make a strong early vote, or at least hasn't in a while
Iggy911Mc (11:02:52 PM): does he always hate on Tass?
stressreliefball (11:03:02 PM): no not really
stressreliefball (11:03:08 PM): that's more afro's thing
stressreliefball (11:03:25 PM): him saying that is more of a joke about tass' whole persona really
Iggy911Mc (11:04:16 PM): lightdarkness42 (12:01:04 AM): but I always think tass is a wolf
Iggy911Mc (11:04:26 PM): so what would that statement mean to u if u heard it from him?
stressreliefball (11:04:44 PM): meh, it's half sarcastic half serious
stressreliefball (11:04:49 PM): that's how I would take it
Iggy911Mc (11:07:21 PM): something that occurs in jTWG i noticed is that wolves will explain everything without really doubting trust and humans wont give away things, does that occur in TWG also or is it a newb assumption?
stressreliefball (11:07:47 PM): I'm not sure what you mean
Iggy911Mc (11:08:17 PM): for ex, fojar has given me some strat and keeps "joking about things" whenever i ask him to explain what he means and then goes to another topic
stressreliefball (11:08:34 PM): as a wolf?
Iggy911Mc (11:08:38 PM): like that topic he made
Iggy911Mc (11:08:59 PM): well i dunno but a couple wolves did similar things so i dont know if he would do it also unknowingly
stressreliefball (11:09:24 PM): well I really don't know how to read fojar
Iggy911Mc (11:09:45 PM): maybe im over analyzing then
stressreliefball (11:09:48 PM): typically I find most wolves won't want to change the subject because they're afraid of looking like they're trying to change the subject
stressreliefball (11:09:50 PM): or something like that
Iggy911Mc (11:10:15 PM): thats true
stressreliefball (11:12:02 PM): who all have you talked to so far?
Iggy911Mc (11:12:28 PM): um u the most, fojar, tps, LD, and just started with kilga
stressreliefball (11:12:40 PM): ok
Iggy911Mc (11:12:44 PM): in respective order of time spent talking
stressreliefball (11:13:04 PM): if anything interesting happens in those convos be sure to post it
Iggy911Mc (11:13:45 PM): well im not too sure whats interesting, only interesting thing was that blurp about fojar
Iggy911Mc (11:16:48 PM): kilga picks his names out of a hat on who is acting fishy
Iggy911Mc (11:17:00 PM): fojar makes choices on solid "evidence"
Iggy911Mc (11:17:15 PM): LD apparently doesnt trust anyone but has some way to make a vote
Iggy911Mc (11:17:27 PM): tps left before i could discuss it with him
stressreliefball (11:18:15 PM): I think the best method of voting day one is just to see if there are any behavioral clues
stressreliefball (11:18:27 PM): for instance if one person is acting not like how they normally act (As a human)
Iggy911Mc (11:20:06 PM): well thisll be hard for me as i have only really played with vash fojar and minineo (mead once but it was different circumstances
stressreliefball (11:20:25 PM): right... this game will be hard for everyone
stressreliefball (11:20:36 PM): twgers not knowing how the jtwgers play and vice versa
Iggy911Mc (11:21:48 PM): lol well if u tell me how twgers play i can give u what little insight i have on the jTWGers XD
stressreliefball (11:22:05 PM): heh aight
stressreliefball (11:22:12 PM): which players haven't I already talked about?
Iggy911Mc (11:22:50 PM): i dunno im going through the posts trying to find whos posted
Iggy911Mc (11:22:56 PM): i guess evil is another
stressreliefball (11:23:39 PM): well eb
stressreliefball (11:24:09 PM): eb will tend to be active and won't be afraid of making decent size posts and quote others
stressreliefball (11:24:31 PM): he likes to bring up every point of view and theory
stressreliefball (11:24:49 PM): even if sometimes those theories aren't that good, and tass et al will pick on him for this
Iggy911Mc (11:25:08 PM): lol its already happened
stressreliefball (11:25:16 PM): true
stressreliefball (11:25:50 PM): he doesn't give a whole lot of thought to the game except when he's reading the thread or in a chat generally, as a human
stressreliefball (11:26:30 PM): he's more of an analyzer and less of a planner, although he can see obvious courses of action just as easily as anyone else
stressreliefball (11:26:46 PM): as a wolf.... I dunno
stressreliefball (11:26:54 PM): I can't remember the last time really he was a wolf
stressreliefball (11:27:15 PM): I think he tends to fade a little bit more as a wolf, appears a little more cautious
stressreliefball (11:27:22 PM): I'd have to check that to be sure though
Iggy911Mc (11:28:00 PM): hmm so how useful is it to actually read past games, bc ive considered it to maybe find things but i want to know if itll really be worth my time
stressreliefball (11:28:22 PM): well... it can be useful
stressreliefball (11:28:31 PM): but it depends on how far you go back
stressreliefball (11:28:48 PM): for instance if you start at the beginning you'll be like "man why isn't hans posting more?"
stressreliefball (11:29:11 PM): but then when you get to more recent games you'll see that he's just gotten more inactive over time
stressreliefball (11:29:39 PM): same thing with lots of vets: ld, kilga, blah all have become less active
Iggy911Mc (11:30:53 PM): hmm
Iggy911Mc (11:33:11 PM): well i think ill post my findings then head to bed
Iggy911Mc (11:33:21 PM): thanks for the background checks XD
stressreliefball (11:33:25 PM): k no problem
Iggy911Mc (11:33:49 PM): o wait 1 more question
Iggy911Mc (11:33:59 PM): whats ur view on me?
stressreliefball (11:34:31 PM): my view on you is that you're an inquisitive jtwger trying to figure stuff out
stressreliefball (11:34:48 PM): whether that's all a trying to be innocent to blend in sort of thing I don't really knokw
stressreliefball (11:35:07 PM): tps and others claim that you're a pretty smart guy, so I'm reserving judgment
Iggy911Mc (11:35:17 PM): well my strategy, wolf or human is too ask questions
Iggy911Mc (11:35:57 PM): i sound innocence mostly bc i am but sometimes i need to find out and compare views with other ppl w/o saying "this person said this u agree?"
Iggy911Mc (11:36:08 PM): but thanks for the credit either way
stressreliefball (11:36:18 PM): no problem I guess
Iggy911Mc (11:36:22 PM): later

[talisman]

ps @ tass about the seer I think he was talking in general, not this game.

[Tasuke]

Re: RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

But something that is interesting is that, this mix of TWG and jTWG has advantages and disadvantages to both parties. I foresee a huge "wrench" being thrown into the gears, mainly because the jTWGers will bandwagon someone's (Tass lol) vote because "they know what they are doing."

Yeah 'cuz everyone knows that all jTWG are retarded and will bandwagon,
as soon as someone starts voting for someone who seems possibly wolfish.

I think it's pretty obvious that atleast one of the wolves is a vet. Just because from how i see things, I know notheing about any of the TWG people other than Tass is considered one of if not the best, or somethin like that. So the fact that he wasn't wolfed first night leads to either him being a wolf, 2 vets, or 1 vet. I'm thinking it's one vet to one jTWG. Where the vet tells the junior to not wolf someone really expected. AS far as who i actually think the wolves are i have no idea and don't plan to say anything until almost everyone has posted.

[Tasselfoot]

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

So the fact that he wasn't wolfed first night leads to either him being a wolf, 2 vets, or 1 vet. I'm thinking it's one vet to one jTWG.

Explain this please.

Since you n00bs haven't read a past TWG, you have no sense of jackshit in regards to TWG history and jump to asinine conclusions. Here is some FACT for you... I've been wolfed night 1 ONCE, ever. I think I was also saved night 1 once. So that is 2 times out of 20? games as a human. That is 10%.

Go read the past 2/3 games where I was human... each game I had HEAVY suspicion on me late in the game because the wolves specifically kept me alive in an attempt to frame me as a wolf and get me lynched under that EXACT logic. "What, tass is alive? MUST BE WOLF! KILL NOW!" It didn't work then, it won't work now... but I'll be content to not be wolfed in the hopes of a frame. Keeps me alive. And lets not forget the guardian... ESPECIALLY with all these jTWGers who are now apparently just now learning of my GOD-LIKE TWG ABILITY.... they'd likely have heard "Oh shi.. tass is twg god? we gots to guard THAT dude!"

I honestly would be shocked if I'm ever again wolfed night 1. It just doesn't make sense logically. But, what am I saying... jTWGers don't use LOGIC! Hopefully by the end of this game, that will change.

[iggymatrixcounter]

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

For safeties sake: this is my first convo with Fojar, if I die it may be useful to someone, but as of now, might be easier to just disregard.

TheEastBayKid (11:04:33 PM): iggy-kun
Iggy911Mc (11:04:40 PM): sup
TheEastBayKid (11:04:47 PM): not a whole lot
TheEastBayKid (11:04:52 PM): did you see the thread i started
Iggy911Mc (11:04:58 PM): lol yea
Iggy911Mc (11:05:11 PM): but u did the same thing igot did when he was a wolf
Iggy911Mc (11:05:16 PM): bad bad move there
TheEastBayKid (11:05:39 PM): dude
TheEastBayKid (11:05:55 PM): i didnt do "the same thing igot did when he was a wolf"
TheEastBayKid (11:06:01 PM): i copied his post, verbatim
TheEastBayKid (11:06:07 PM): because it's funny
Iggy911Mc (11:07:09 PM): lol u see the reply u got from vash?
TheEastBayKid (11:08:01 PM): yeah
TheEastBayKid (11:08:02 PM): it was good
Iggy911Mc (11:08:42 PM): so y do something like that knowing that it would bring u this suspicionj
TheEastBayKid (11:09:55 PM): because i figured that the TWGers would immediately see the parody, and get a laugh
TheEastBayKid (11:10:23 PM): plus it's funny to me
Iggy911Mc (11:10:33 PM): lol ok w/e
TheEastBayKid (11:10:55 PM): i'm not going to goof off anymore, i just couldnt help myself with that one
Iggy911Mc (11:11:10 PM): good one
TheEastBayKid (11:11:20 PM): you have no idea
TheEastBayKid (11:11:25 PM): oh man
TheEastBayKid (11:11:30 PM): i'm still laughing
Iggy911Mc (11:11:38 PM): dont worry tho im pretty sure no one but vash would pursue it anyways
TheEastBayKid (11:11:53 PM): yeah
TheEastBayKid (11:12:02 PM): nobody but the idiots
Iggy911Mc (11:12:21 PM): vash is only an idiot when hes not a wolf tho
TheEastBayKid (11:12:28 PM): and really, the best human strategy is not to protect yourself, but to root out the wolves
TheEastBayKid (11:12:40 PM): so i dont really care if people accuse me
TheEastBayKid (11:12:50 PM): as long as it helps the team in the end
Iggy911Mc (11:12:56 PM): but then ull get lynched if they get enough dirt on u
TheEastBayKid (11:12:58 PM): which it probably wouldnt, but you know
TheEastBayKid (11:13:21 PM): i just hope that during this game my life or death can help the team.
Iggy911Mc (11:13:59 PM): go around telling people ur the guardian
Iggy911Mc (11:14:19 PM): thatll get u killed and narrow it down bc u told a wolf that u were the guardian
TheEastBayKid (11:14:21 PM): why in hell would i do that
TheEastBayKid (11:14:48 PM): if i do anything like that, it wont be for at least a day or two
TheEastBayKid (11:14:51 PM): if i'm still alive
TheEastBayKid (11:14:59 PM): i'm not going to stab around in the dark
Iggy911Mc (11:15:04 PM): once a wolf thinks ur guardian then ull get killed and the ppl u told would be valid wolves
Iggy911Mc (11:15:22 PM): well thats the only way to "use ur life" to find ppl that i see
TheEastBayKid (11:15:32 PM): not the only way, but one of them
Iggy911Mc (11:15:56 PM): what would be another?
TheEastBayKid (11:15:58 PM): i'm not gonna break you off with any of my other strategies, well i have one other at the moment
TheEastBayKid (11:16:08 PM): because i dont trust you yet
TheEastBayKid (11:16:53 PM): all i'm going to say is that i'm not going to try anything until i've narrowed it down a little
TheEastBayKid (11:17:14 PM): probably another day or two
Iggy911Mc (11:17:16 PM): well gl
Iggy911Mc (11:17:36 PM): its kinda shaky the first day
TheEastBayKid (11:18:51 PM): yeah
TheEastBayKid (11:19:01 PM): sorry about that
TheEastBayKid (11:19:09 PM): had to go to the bathroom
Iggy911Mc (11:19:16 PM): np
Iggy911Mc (11:19:53 PM): anyone really stick out to u right now tho?
TheEastBayKid (11:25:33 PM): well
TheEastBayKid (11:25:45 PM): i kinda trust talis
TheEastBayKid (11:25:59 PM): but the fact that i trust him already makes me wary
TheEastBayKid (11:29:50 PM): saw your post
Iggy911Mc (11:30:07 PM): agree disagree?
TheEastBayKid (11:30:18 PM): agree, but you're a good wolf
TheEastBayKid (11:30:25 PM): so cry in the corner
Iggy911Mc (11:30:55 PM): lol y do u say im a good wolf?
Iggy911Mc (11:31:10 PM): i got lucky when i was a wolf really
TheEastBayKid (11:31:26 PM): well
TheEastBayKid (11:31:34 PM): i either convince myself that you're a good wolf
TheEastBayKid (11:31:46 PM): or come to the sad realization that i am a dupey
TheEastBayKid (11:31:50 PM): a dupey dupe
TheEastBayKid (11:31:55 PM): that is easily hoodwinked
Iggy911Mc (11:32:30 PM): XD well i see y ur conservative
TheEastBayKid (11:32:38 PM): what
TheEastBayKid (11:32:40 PM): i am liberal
TheEastBayKid (11:32:44 PM): watch your mouth
Iggy911Mc (11:32:50 PM): conservative in TWG
Iggy911Mc (11:32:54 PM): not politics
TheEastBayKid (11:32:59 PM): jokes man
TheEastBayKid (11:33:01 PM): jokes
Iggy911Mc (11:33:08 PM): i didnt mean to offend ur beliefs or anything
Iggy911Mc (11:33:23 PM): hey i thought u were being serious from now on XD
TheEastBayKid (11:33:31 PM): serious in TWG
TheEastBayKid (11:33:33 PM): this is AIM
TheEastBayKid (11:33:56 PM): oh wait
TheEastBayKid (11:33:58 PM): this is TWG AIM
TheEastBayKid (11:34:07 PM): or is it AIM AIM
TheEastBayKid (11:34:10 PM): or FFR AIM
Iggy911Mc (11:34:48 PM): oh no this is serious TWG AIM, since u lied ur a wolf, im typing a new post....
Iggy911Mc (11:35:06 PM): but seriously i dont make big assumptions from aim convos
TheEastBayKid (11:35:18 PM): you know what i just realize
TheEastBayKid (11:35:19 PM): d
Iggy911Mc (11:35:30 PM): only when u post because u have all the time in the world to post it
Iggy911Mc (11:35:33 PM): whats that
TheEastBayKid (11:36:01 PM): i pegged igot as a wolf almost immediately last game
Iggy911Mc (11:36:14 PM): it wasnt really hard to
Iggy911Mc (11:36:21 PM): he made it fairly obvious
TheEastBayKid (11:36:29 PM): well before that thread though
TheEastBayKid (11:36:56 PM): listen man
TheEastBayKid (11:37:00 PM): if i dont build up my ego
Iggy911Mc (11:37:00 PM): k
TheEastBayKid (11:37:04 PM): i'm going to fall apart
Iggy911Mc (11:37:17 PM): y r u going to fall apart?
TheEastBayKid (11:37:25 PM): jokes. jokes.
TheEastBayKid (11:37:30 PM): anyways
TheEastBayKid (11:37:44 PM): how did you get brought into the human alliance again?
TheEastBayKid (11:37:56 PM): in jtwg?
TheEastBayKid (11:38:04 PM): because it was me and purplepopcorn
TheEastBayKid (11:38:22 PM): wait
TheEastBayKid (11:38:26 PM): or was it me and chickendude
TheEastBayKid (11:38:33 PM): and you and purplepopcorn
Iggy911Mc (11:38:37 PM): purple talked to me like day 2 and after a long convo he revealed that he was seer to me and from there i used him to find u guys
TheEastBayKid (11:38:49 PM): man that's right
Iggy911Mc (11:38:50 PM): it just so happened that u guys were also allies
Iggy911Mc (11:39:25 PM): plus u guys were in the same situation i was acting as a seer and u guys had a fake psychic doing most of the talking
TheEastBayKid (11:39:36 PM): yeah
Iggy911Mc (12:18:08 AM): still there?
TheEastBayKid (12:18:10 AM): yeah
Iggy911Mc (12:18:45 AM): find anything out or u doing h-work XD
TheEastBayKid (12:20:20 AM): not in school right now
TheEastBayKid (12:20:25 AM): i leave for the ukraine next week
TheEastBayKid (12:20:45 AM): so i will probably have a day or two of TWG absence
TheEastBayKid (12:20:55 AM): before i find an internet cafe
Iggy911Mc (12:21:01 AM): kool enjoy
TheEastBayKid (12:21:07 AM): yeah
Iggy911Mc (12:21:12 AM): vacation i assume
TheEastBayKid (12:21:16 AM): nope
TheEastBayKid (12:21:19 AM): going to teach english
TheEastBayKid (12:21:28 AM): i'll be there until june
Iggy911Mc (12:21:49 AM): sweet
Iggy911Mc (12:32:09 AM): welp take care im out
TheEastBayKid (12:32:23 AM): later on homie

[Kilgamayan]

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

You'll have to forgive me for not caring much about this game so far but there was a cool football game on TV and tomorrow's class schedule is hell

I'll read through the thread and make a more meaningful post tomorrow evening. For now, here's my convo with iggy.

Also for the record Tass' one Night 1 death was in Dark Matters in case anyone is curious

Iggy911Mc: i get the impression that u play it "valueless" as LD put it in TWG and thats how u survive games but how do u make ur decisions on whos a wolf or not?
bjstrattonIM: Names out of a hat
bjstrattonIM: >_>
bjstrattonIM: Seriously I just look at who I think is acting funny
bjstrattonIM: Look at every single other game in TWG history since I've been in them all
bjstrattonIM: Aside from one
Iggy911Mc: u usually right or is it still gueswork?
bjstrattonIM: I'm right more than the odds would dictate I'd be.
bjstrattonIM: Probably not quite 50/50 though.
Iggy911Mc: to me it would seem that the most right people would be more suspicious bc a wolf would be mroe careful about what they say to make sure nothing is contradicting itself
Iggy911Mc: is that a good assumption or is that just jTWG strat?
bjstrattonIM: It's a start
bjstrattonIM: Always remember that the wolves have to act
bjstrattonIM: And the humans do not
bjstrattonIM: Although I always try to come off as human as possible in either case >_>
Iggy911Mc: well that would be ideal XD
Iggy911Mc: LD told me that Tass is always a threat
Iggy911Mc: y is that? i dont know how he plays so what makes him so much better than anyone else?
bjstrattonIM: He thinks things out more than anyone else.
Iggy911Mc: how does he play as a wolf then?
Iggy911Mc: if u can remember a time
bjstrattonIM: Disturbingly much like when he's a human
Iggy911Mc: have u ever been a wolf and what was ur strategy when u were?
bjstrattonIM: Why would I tell you my wolf strategies? >_>
bjstrattonIM: If I ttold them to you then you could watch for them in later games.
bjstrattonIM: But I've been in so many games across the internet and have been a regular human so many times
bjstrattonIM: That I know the part down pat
bjstrattonIM: And can generally pull it off really well when a wolf
Iggy911Mc: ok guess i dont want to to reveal ur strat
Iggy911Mc: but let me ask u this, how would u view a guy who does reveal his wolf strat?
bjstrattonIM: Ballsy.
bjstrattonIM: And I'd take it with a grain of salt
Iggy911Mc: so u wouldnt think it would be his actual strategy is that what that means
bjstrattonIM: If it is
bjstrattonIM: Then I watch for it
bjstrattonIM: But I don't think they're not a wolf any less when they're not doing it
bjstrattonIM: Since they could be going about being a wolf in a different way to throw me off
Iggy911Mc: but if they did it would be noticable bc they wouldnt be acting like themselves
Iggy911Mc: or is that over analyzing?
Iggy911Mc: u there?
Iggy911Mc: w/e im out anyways, thanks for the advice

[talisman]

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

Tass, yelling at them will sure help the issue...

That said, tasuke that post is the kind of thing I can see someone later on in the day coming back to and saying "man look at the way he sort of half-implicates tass here that's kind of sketchy I've got nothing better to go on so he's my vote for today blahblahblah" Then someone else agrees, then someone else, and before you know it we've lynched another new(er) player day one for doing something that could easily have just been the unintentional result of not thinking things through while making posts. So... before you (seriously, not like kilga) suggest stuff like "tass is a wolf because he's still alive day one" stop and think it through again.

[Tasuke]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later.

So the fact that he wasn't wolfed first night leads to either him being a wolf, 2 vets, or 1 vet. I'm thinking it's one vet to one jTWG.

Explain this please.
Since you n00bs haven't read a past TWG, you have no sense of &*#$ in regards to TWG history and jump to asinine conclusions. Here is some FACT for you... I've been wolfed night 1 ONCE, ever. I think I was also saved night 1 once. So that is 2 times out of 20? games as a human. That is 10%.

But, what am I saying... jTWGers don't use LOGIC! Hopefully by the end of this game, that will change.

I was saying that since I don't think that very many jTWG players know exactaly what goes on in TWG, especially in wolfing and wolf plans, 2 "noobs" would have probably just gone and tried to wolf you right out, because they don't have any idea how TWG people strategize. So that leaves the options that there are 2 vets as wolves,or 1 vet as a wolf, and one vet and one jTWG as wolves. And since I obviously don't know how TWG players think, I thought that Tass not being wolfed could lead to you being a wolf, while that is true for any other player( other than Fish). I was in no way implying that you were a wolf. I was just saying that since you weren't wolfed it's a possibilty. Also with you saying all this sh*t about you being such an obvious choice for not being a night one wolfing. I would think that in time the gaurdian wouldn't care about you and at that time you would make an excellent night 1 wolf since you're so "God-like".

So... before you (seriously, not like kilga) suggest stuff like "tass is a wolf because he's still alive day one" stop and think it through again.

I wasn't trying to make it seem like Tass was a wolf. I was just trying to state the possibility that since he wasn't wolfed and since he's such an awesome player, it's entirely possible he's a wolf. Which is the same for every other TWG vet.

It seems to me that everyone either half-reads my post, or I need to work on how I say things. Which is it?

[mead1]

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming la

But actually, for two jTWG noobs, Fish would be a much better choice then Tass. They haven't played in TWG, and as Tass pointed out, wouldn't know the relative skill of each player. Fish, however, has hosted several jTWG's and I think he participated in a few. A few jTWG players would very likely look at the list and ask, "who do we know is decent?" They have seen Fish host, and know he eventually moved up to TWG. That would tell them that he was atleast a semi-skilled player. All this being said, I think the wolves are two jTWG players.

Also, because it hasn't been mentioned, FoJaR and Fish are really good buddies as well.

[evilbutterfly]

RE: Re: RE: TWG 26: official title coming later...

Also, eb's post is fairly retarded. I never get wolfed early on, nor do I get lynched often (never as a human)...

WELL I SURE WISH THE TWG HISTORY THREAD GOT UPDATED but from what is there, you have died early on in games even back in the day, and I could have sworn there was a streak of "omg tass is a wp;f" there for a while that got you continually killed. And I never said Day/Night 1, I said early on. My post was not fairly retarded, you're just trying to be a hotshot and pick shit apart and make others feel stupid so you can be the boss here. So you can stfu and gtfo.

And as for the guard me thing, I know you're the only one who said it. I said that anybody who says "guard me" is being selfish. YOU'VE SAID THAT SAME THING IN THE PAST TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU SAY TO GUARD YOU! You've admitted that demanding a guard is blatently trying to make sure you win, whether you're wolf or human. As a result, anybody who asks to be guarded is either a) a selfish human or b) a tricksy wolf. In either case, they don't deserve to be guarded.

However, I will agree with Tass that some of you have horrid grammar and it makes following what you say really difficult sometimes. Terrible spelling is okay with me, but random/misused commas and periods and bad sentence structure make communication harder than it should be.

To everybody: All this speculation about the people being vets or jTWG newblets is pretty pointless and dumb. It'd be better to analyze people's actions now and then later see if it would line up with the wolfings to make further sense if they were a wolf. The explaination for the kill be placed on anybody. mead/FoJaR being close to Fish might make them nervous, somebody might recognize Fish's ability but not outstanding prowess as making him a good target, or hell, it could have been completely random just to throw us all for a loop. Obviously that last choice would be least likely, but given the high number of jTWG people who are newer to the game, I wouldn't be surprised to see some weird kills this game, whether they're done by newby newbs that don't know any better of if they're done just to frame the newblets and throw us off.

Thus, I'd say that, especially in Day 1, it's better to look at other people's actions. I know I haven't been around to talk on AIM (I had an ortho thing to go to at 8am this morning in a city like, 45 minutes away, and I went home yesterday so that I could get up early and be driven there, so I haven't been on AIM), but you can IM me now if you feel like it. I'm not very good at analysis, but hey, maybe you wanna interogate me and see if I'm wolfy and suspicious as always. XD

Anywho, back to MS. =P