TWG XIII - Dark Matters: Crow's Best (Game Over)

[evilbutterfly]

Actually, I placed the third vote on you, LD, tying you with Blah. Flypie placed the second vote on you when Blah had three votes, so she was putting you in no danger.

But then eb came and saved the day for you. That strikes me as just a bit suspicious. So does your attempt at lying about voting details, along with the fact that you had lots of posts day three, but that none of them were were meaningful.

That doesn't explain anything, and is the only other post you've made. If that explains anything, please show me where.

[Kefit]

eb, one normally explains their vote as they make it. Which I did. Here is an excerpt from the post that logic would tell you I was refering to.

Blah has come off as odd to me the entire game, but he always gives me that vibe. I don't remember him telling me that he trusted Lupin completely - rather, I told him that I didn't trust Lupin at all, and he said that he was more inclined to believe that Lupin was a human than a wolf. Besides this, what I have seen him do all game is exactly what a skilled human player should be doing - trying his best to make a wolf slip up. The best way to accomplish this is to grill as many people as you can, with whatever you can get. Generally, a human will have an actual explanation for things, wheras a wolf might have to lie, which can easily lead to slip-ups.

In other words, I am not ready to lynch blah yet. It seems the only thing I can do to possibly save him is to vote for LD, which I believe will tie the number of votes for each. ACtually, my vote isn't quite as empty as that - LD's inactivity compared to other games I have played with him combined with the thought that he would fit perfectly with the logical train that I provided way back in my first post of this thread, just doesn't sit well with me.

[QreepyBORIS]

lightdarkness42 (5:43:42 PM): um

Auto response from QreepyBORIS (5:43:42 PM): Be back in the summer, I guess. =/

lightdarkness42 (5:43:43 PM): why
lightdarkness42 (5:44:16 PM): since you're banned, tell me if you're a wolf, cause I think you are
QreepyBORIS (6:02:12 PM): I'm gonna avoid the ban.
QreepyBORIS (6:02:20 PM): BAnnec cause I procrastinate
QreepyBORIS (6:02:21 PM): laterrr.
lightdarkness42 (6:04:32 PM): admit you a wolf

Auto response from QreepyBORIS (6:04:32 PM): wrheh

lightdarkness42 (6:04:33 PM): wolf boi
lightdarkness42 (7:08:23 PM): why you grounded?

Auto response from QreepyBORIS (7:08:23 PM): wrheh

QreepyBORIS (8:41:17 PM): 'Cuase I procrastinate.
lightdarkness42 (8:41:24 PM): dude
lightdarkness42 (8:41:27 PM): tell me if you're a wolf
QreepyBORIS (8:41:28 PM): My papers still aren't DUE and therefore I did not recieve bad marks.
lightdarkness42 (8:41:28 PM): cause like
lightdarkness42 (8:41:30 PM): I want to win
QreepyBORIS (8:41:32 PM): So like. O_o
lightdarkness42 (8:41:43 PM): If you're a wolf, you should tell me
lightdarkness42 (8:41:45 PM): cause you won't be active
lightdarkness42 (8:41:46 PM): plz
QreepyBORIS (8:41:47 PM): Uhm, I'm still in the game there buddy, so I can tell you that I am certainly not a wolf.
QreepyBORIS (8:41:55 PM): If I left and were to be replaced, then I could not. :P
lightdarkness42 (8:42:22 PM): ugggggggggggggggggh
QreepyBORIS (8:42:39 PM): ?
lightdarkness42 (8:42:50 PM): Cause I really think you're a wolf
QreepyBORIS (8:42:50 PM): Nobody outright admitting they are a wolf/
QreepyBORIS (8:42:52 PM): ?
QreepyBORIS (8:42:54 PM): Too bad.
QreepyBORIS (8:42:56 PM): XD
lightdarkness42 (8:42:56 PM): and telling me would make it easier to convince the others
QreepyBORIS (8:43:10 PM): Uhm, I'm not though.
lightdarkness42 (8:43:18 PM): convince me otherwise
QreepyBORIS (8:43:26 PM): There's no way, really.
QreepyBORIS (8:43:36 PM): I am pretty convinced at this point that you ARE though.
QreepyBORIS (8:43:42 PM): Not as much until now. :P
lightdarkness42 (8:43:43 PM): lol
QreepyBORIS (8:44:02 PM): Sorryman, but the only way you would vote people off practically INDISCRIMINATELY and still win
QreepyBORIS (8:44:04 PM): is if you were a wolf.
QreepyBORIS (8:44:07 PM): So, what gives?
QreepyBORIS (8:44:10 PM): You a wolf, or what?
lightdarkness42 (8:44:49 PM): Nope
QreepyBORIS (8:45:05 PM): I don't see how I can believe that. =/


That is a conversation, complete with time stamps, between me and LD.

Synopsis: He wants me to admit that I am a wolf (I am not, and under no circumstances would I ever admit to being a wolf, no matter my role :P), while I deny that I am a wolf and refuse to admit it. He seems to REALLY want to vote for me, and said pretty explicitly that he is trying to start a bandwagon on me! The only role that can vote against people without discrimination and still win is that of the wolves.

Therefore, I think LD is a wolf. Pretty simple stuff, there.



Offtopic: I hope I can post this frequently later, heh.

[lightdarkness]

lol, Thats all I have to say about your post Qreepy

I honestly was just playing around, with the off chance I might catch something. Basing your vote purely off that conversation is complete bull.

[evilbutterfly]

Um, I do the same thing when my friends die. Like, when Afro got grounded I figured he would tell me if he was a wolf, and he didn't. That makes LD seem VERY human to me. Now I don't feel as bad for saving him and letting blah die. Qreepy, you need to reread that convo and think about how LD would be as a human. A wolf would just vote for you and push you being a wolf, rather than try for a confession.

[flux_]

I'm going to throw a vote out for deltro.
He really stretched it last round with his vote based on an irrelevent post. Maybe the wolves are having trouble making up reasons to get people lynched.
I do want to see what evolves from this LD/qreepy thing. Responses may have an impact on my vote since what I have now isn't very good.

[QreepyBORIS]

Um, I do the same thing when my friends die. Like, when Afro got grounded I figured he would tell me if he was a wolf, and he didn't. That makes LD seem VERY human to me. Now I don't feel as bad for saving him and letting blah die. Qreepy, you need to reread that convo and think about how LD would be as a human. A wolf would just vote for you and push you being a wolf, rather than try for a confession.

EB, I love how willing you are to defend LD. You question people profusely why they voted for him last round (when they had already clearly stated reasonably valid reasons), and then call me out for voting for him, too. I had a reason as well, on top of all the other peoples' reasons.

You Even IMed me saying how unreasonable and suspicious Flypie and Kefit were for changing their votes to LD. I mentioned to you that Kefit's INITIAL vote was for LD in the first place, and you just sort of glossed over it by saying that was not a good enough reason not to suspect Kefit.

Interesting how you cite yourself as an example for why LD is a human. You say you acted the exact same way by questioning Afro in another game. But last time I checked, you and LD think quite differently, so citing a similarity in action has no relevant bearing at all on how "wolfy" his actions were.

So, if you two aren't in MAJOR cahoots, why does EB keep defending LD? Judging by the sclae of this defense, it is highly, highly unlikely that it is just a coincidence. So, please do tell us.


Oh, and LD, it's not as if SEVERAL people didn't dig up other reasons to vote for you earlier, anyways.

[lightdarkness]

I started talking to EB about TWG after he saved me, I don't think we talked before then. I would be willing to disclose our entire AIM conversations from the beginning of this TWG if you'd like.

[QreepyBORIS]

Judging by the virtual fact that you have every reason to falsify these conversations, I would see no purpose in it. But if you wish, you may expose them.

I do not know EB's intentions in saving you. I believe that at least ONE of you is a wolf--possibly both, while one is trying to make the other their pawn. But that's a rather large leap to make, admittedly. But it is certainly not an impossibility.

[evilbutterfly]

I just defend people against irrational stuff. There's nothing between me and LD. I often appear affiliated with others because I defend just about everybody. And I just cited myself as a reference because I don't know of anybody else doing that. In the chat, Kefit (I think...) said that LD's strategy wasn't a bad one, and that similar things had been said before. I think either you just aren't thinking, or you're pulling that vote out of your ass.

[QreepyBORIS]

I still believe LD's behavior is and was irrational.

My vote stands until somebody can convince me to vote for another specific person.

[Tps222]

LD was just fooling around, do you think he was being serious, he was probably hoping to get you to slip up. People have conversations like this all the time, and everyone knows there a joke. It seems as you are desperately trying to get LD out, without any credible evidence.

eb always acts like this. He defends everyone if he feels that they are being wrongly accused. Like in the chat earlier, he felt that my innactive strategy wasn't the best choice, but he still helped explain it. He is always this way, if you read past games.

My vote is going to Qreepy, because, once again, he is voting someone without credible evidence, and is acting desperate to lynch him.

[Kefit]

Hold up people.

LD's basic strategy is a good one for a human, but he pulled it off horribly, and really did make himself look bad to Qreepy in the process. Furthermore, the thought process that Qreepy used to get to his vote was fairly good - that is, he believes that LD was trying to build up a faulty case against him, which is something that a wolf would generally need to do (humans might go around trying to get people to slipup, but generally trying to build up faulty cases like this gets them no where).

The thing is, both sides are flawed here. LD botched the idea of trying to get someone to slipup, and made himself look like he was trying way too hard to build up a case against a specific person. Qreepy, following the logic I gave above, would arrive at the flawed conclusion that LD was a wolf.

In other words, back off, people and try and take a look at the game as a whole. We do not need an instalynch right now, and any attempts to drive us towards one are clearly wolfish at this stage of the game.

[QreepyBORIS]

LD was just fooling around, do you think he was being serious, he was probably hoping to get you to slip up. People have conversations like this all the time, and everyone knows there a joke. It seems as you are desperately trying to get LD out, without any credible evidence.

eb always acts like this. He defends everyone if he feels that they are being wrongly accused. Like in the chat earlier, he felt that my innactive strategy wasn't the best choice, but he still helped explain it. He is always this way, if you read past games.

My vote is going to Qreepy, because, once again, he is voting someone without credible evidence, and is acting desperate to lynch him.

LD seemed to be semi-serious at the least. See Kefit's explanation between our posts.

EB is a "nice guy" by nature, yeah, but that could put him way way way off the radar if he were a wolf. And defending other people STILL has no bearing on whether the person who is giving the defense is a wolf or not.

Wait wait wait, I am voting for someone without credible evidence...AGAIN? I did it once in the first round, because all votes are crap in the first round. Second round I certainly did not do that, as there was copius evidence against blah.

And funny that you mention "desparate attempts to lynch" someone. I am simply VOTING for somebody because I think they are a wolf. And naturally I want to bring things about that person to light to justify my vote. However, YOU have voted against ME for the past TWO ROUNDS, so I would not be too hypocritical about trying persistently to lynch another person, especially when your reason for voting against me is the ever-subjective "His reason isn't good enough for me and I do not think it is credible enough".

Oh, please.

[lightdarkness]

My "attempt" on Qreepy was semi-joking, yet semi-serious. If he REALLY was going to have no chance of getting to his computer, I thought maybe he would confess if he were a wolf, so I just kinda poked at him to see if I would get anything. It's not like I had this huge diobotical plot surrounding it, it was just a spur of the moment thing, to see if I could get lucky, and prove my humanity further.