TWG XIII - Dark Matters: Crow's Best (Game Over)

[evilbutterfly]

This is another case of "TPS isn't too great at saying what he means and therefore comes off very badly." He doesn't mean he's aiming for humans, he just worded it badly or something.

In the chat:

evilbutterfly87: it's not so much that you're aiming for a human
evilbutterfly87: it's that you're aiming for useless people
Tps7910: Yes

See, he's not aiming for a human, he's aiming for useless people and hoping they're a wolf. He just didn't word it so well.

[Tps222]

evilbutterfly87: and man, you shouldn't aim for killing a human
Tps7910: Were going too
Tps7910: Most likely
evilbutterfly87: no
Tps7910: Statistics show
evilbutterfly87: we've killed wolves on day 1 plenty of times
evilbutterfly87: stats mean crap in TWG
Tps7910: Well, I'm sticking with my idea unless I see some incrimnating evidnce
Tps7910: My vote is subject to change, but there are more pros then cons in the strategy
Tps7910: We dont need to get a wolf on day 1
Tps7910: It would be better to scarifice a innactive human
evilbutterfly87: it's not so much that you're aiming for a human
evilbutterfly87: it's that you're aiming for useless people
Tps7910: Yes
evilbutterfly87: and hoping that you get lucky, maybe
Tps7910: If a wolf is active
Tps7910: He has a chance to slip up
Tps7910: Exactly
evilbutterfly87: you just word it badly
Tps7910: The only thing that can go wrong is if the innactive person is a sp role
evilbutterfly87: in your post, you basically say "i dont wanna kill wolves, i wanna kill inactives"
Tps7910: Well, are people that dumb to honestly think I meant that
Tps7910: What wolf would say that
Tps7910: Too obvious
evilbutterfly87: but still
evilbutterfly87: it makes you come off as stupid
evilbutterfly87: what you're saying isnt so bad
evilbutterfly87: it's just how you say it
Tps7910: Well, how can I fix it
flypie743: lol
evilbutterfly87: idunno man, you just have trouble communicating your ideas
Tps7910: Did my last post help at all
evilbutterfly87: well your new idea in that post, it wasnt very clear
Tps7910: How so
evilbutterfly87: you have alright ideas, you just gotta be clear and careful with what you so
Tps7910: Ok
evilbutterfly87: "I'm not going for a wolf on day 1, like most of you are"
evilbutterfly87: things like that....makes you sound bad
Tps7910: But thats how i feel
Tps7910: I dont neccesarily need to get a wolf on day 1
Tps7910: It would be nice
Tps7910: But it is not my main goal
flypie743: what is your main goal?
Tps7910: My main goal is for us to win
flypie743: and you can win
flypie743: by getting rid of the wolves
flypie743: the sooner the better
flypie743: the less humans dead the better, so the goal is to lynch a wolf
Tps7910: That is true
Tps7910: But what if you go of a hunch
Legat0bluesummrs: the thing is
Tps7910: And some evidnce points a fairly active player, that is decenty
Tps7910: and turns out that he is human
Tps7910: Not only do we lynch a human, we lynch a usefull one
Legat0bluesummrs: flypie, what makes you think flux, or anyone else we lynch is human for sure?
flypie743: eh?
evilbutterfly87: lupin, we're not debating flux's humanity
flypie743: when did I say flux was human
Legat0bluesummrs: neither am I
evilbutterfly87: we're debating that tps doesnt care if he lynches a human
Legat0bluesummrs: well obviously nobody cares day one
Legat0bluesummrs: considering it happens 9 out of 10 of the time
evilbutterfly87: no, see, thats terrible thinking
Tps7910: As long as he or she is innactive
Tps7910: There not helping
lightdarkness42 has entered the room.
Tps7910: only hurting
lightdarkness42: hi
Tps7910: they wont slip-up
flypie743: hi LD
Legat0bluesummrs: fact is, we're not going to get a wolf unless we're damn lucky
Tps7910: Or
Tps7910: Someone slips up
Tps7910: only active can slip up
Tps7910: so, we want to get rid of all innactive
evilbutterfly87: Kilga slipped up last game
evilbutterfly87: he's inactive
evilbutterfly87: people talked to him on AIM
evilbutterfly87: he couldnt stay concealed
evilbutterfly87: otherwise, you're pretty much right
Tps7910: This gives us a chance to collect seer info, evidnce, and with more active people around, more conversation and a chnac for someone to slip up, if the person is innactive, they cant slip up
evilbutterfly87: yes they can, but it's harder
Tps7910: Yea, so lets make it easier
evilbutterfly87: but still, we're not aiming for a human
flypie743: I agree with eb
Legat0bluesummrs: exactly
Legat0bluesummrs: we're not aiming for a human
Legat0bluesummrs: because we dont know
Tps7910: Yes, I know, but we really dont hav e agood shot at getting a wolf
Tps7910: So, I would rather lose a bad human instead of a helpfull one
Tps7910: Unless I have complete evidnce of wolfiness
Tps7910: THeres no point in risking a helpfull human
Tps7910: or person
flypie743: yeah, but still. we aren't aiming for a human
flypie743: we are aiming for a wolf
evilbutterfly87: indeed
flypie743: but on day 1 its kind of hard
evilbutterfly87: TPS's post made it seem otherwise

[flux_]

I've been quiet in almost every game I've ever played; I tend to see what everone else says, and make my votes based on that. I'm trying to be more active here since FFR games are more conversation oriented, but I really have nothing to say. I've never played here so I can't look at past experiences and talk about how people aren't acting like they usually are or anything.

My vote for blah wasn't based on anything real, but seeing as how this is the first round and no one has made any real accusations, and little has been said other than speculating who could have killed Tass (which it seems the result came out 'anyone') I had little to make my vote on.

[HansSky]

Tps7910: This gives us a chance to collect seer info, evidnce, and with more active people around, more conversation and a chnac for someone to slip up, if the person is innactive, they cant slip up

Whoops!
We lynched the seer.
Whoops!
We lynched the guardian.
Whoops!
We wasted a kill on someone because they were inactive.

I've expressed my views on this before, and they remain the same.

[QreepyBORIS]

We need the other SEVENTY THOUSAND people who are inactive to post in this before the day closes, or else we are not doing too much good conversing without them.

[Tps222]

Your taking things to the extreme Hans. It's not wasting a kill, would you rather kill an active helpfull person, and leave a bunch of innactive people around, I wouldn't. This is just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it, it's just an idea.

[JurseyRider734]

First of all, sorry about being so inactive. I went out riding earlier, came home, showered, then went right out again.

I have to agree with Lupin, though. He said to vote of the weakest link. If they aren't going to make a good contribution to the game by talking at all, then they most likely aren't going to help in the future. Chances are, they could be a wolf, and are trying to fly under the radar so that no one will suspect them. I know that i haven't been contributing that much, but see the reason above ^. I'll be able to do a lot for the next week considering I don't have to go to school. The only one that's standing out is TPS, but that is to be expected considering he acts stupid every game. It would kind of help if more people were talking so that we could have more opinions, and maybe something to go off of.

I'm not going to vote at the moment because I haven't seen enough input from everyone.

[HansSky]

Your taking things to the extreme Hans. It's not wasting a kill, would you rather kill an active helpfull person, and leave a bunch of innactive people around, I wouldn't. This is just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it, it's just an idea.

If you vote for someone who you think is a WOLF, you have a better chance of lynching a WOLF. If you vote for someone who you think is HUMAN, regardless of activity, you have a better chance of lynching a HUMAN.

And now to recap the goal of the game:

To lynch all of the WOLVES.

[Tps222]

Jurs, me and Lupin said the SAME EXACT THING. SAME IDEA. How am I acting stupid, it's an idea that could work.

Tps7910: If tass brought it up, or blah
Legat0bluesummrs: everyone has to participate
Tps7910: We would hav been using it games ago
Legat0bluesummrs: hah yeah

[Lupin_the_3rd]

If you vote for someone who you think is a WOLF, you have a better chance of lynching a WOLF. If you vote for someone who you think is HUMAN, regardless of activity, you have a better chance of lynching a HUMAN.

Unfortunately in the past games, it hasn't worked out so easily day one. Things that "look" suspicious or "sound" wolfish are often performed by humans. Our definition of "wolfish behaviour" is hardly accurate. Besides the luck you had with TPS one game, how many times have you heard something "wolfish" coming from an actual wolf? Not often, and especially not on day one. Day one is a free day for the wolves. We run around with our heads cut off and lynch each other until we become organized. The wolves are the calm and collected ones. They are the ones who are watching us argue our points back and forth without drawing too much attention to themself. Unfortunately, we have the preconceived notion that suspicious activity stems from wolves. It's time we erase those stereotypes.

Oh, and we don't know flux is a wolf or a human, so assuming that lynching him is lynching a human is overlooking the fact that there's a 21% chance he's a wolf. However, in no way is flux condemned. He's merely a target to provide a warning to other inactives.

[stretchypanda]

I recall a game where a wolf was lynched night one. OHWAIT, THAT WAS TPS.

Hans is completely right. I did not mean in any way that I feel flux is human or wolf. I meant that Tps's strategy of seeking out useless humans rather than wolves is STUPID, be it day one or day six.

[Kefit]

What the hell is wrong with you guys.

Lynching an inactive player on the pretense that you are getting rid of someone who isn't an assest is bullshit. We have gone over this before in past games. It is NOT a good strategy.

Yet people are trying to push it AGAIN. From what I have seen, specifically Tps and Lupin, with a bit of defense from eb.

Right now Lupin gets my vote, due to the amount of bullshit in his last post combined with his continued push to lynch Flux (by the way, humans usually don't have a good reason to strongly push for a specfic lynch day one, whereas a wolf, who knows who all the humans and wolves are, does). We should ignore wolfish things he says? So we should ignore everything which allows the humans to win this game? The only people that such a strategy helps is the wolves.

I still think that the reasoning I used in my early post is mostly correct, so I'll review it combined with this later. For now, Disgaea calls.

[nforcer06164]

Okay, guys, riding on TPS is just going to make him say something more stupid. Remember last game; he talked about lynching alain, and he worded it wrong. It got him lynched. He says stupid stuff he doesn't mean to say every game, and it gets him killed. I'm not saying he isn't a wolf, but this is expected of him.

I'm particularly looking at flux_ right now. He's only posted twice, once to throw in a vote, once to explain himself, to save himself from being killed. He's been staying out of the way WAY too much for Day 1. I think forcing a second vote on flux_ will make him talk a little more.

Now, about alain. I talked to him about this privately, because I was wondering why he had not been posting, because he had obviously been available. The reason is, eb, Kefit, AND blah have all brought his name up as a potential wolf that could've killed Tass. This strategy, as well as this finger-pointing, has pissed him off to the point where he does not want to play this game anymore, at least for now. He got fed up after blah reiterated what had already been plainly stated. I'm going to get the blame if you guys spam him with messages now, so just give him his space to let him cool off.

[flypie743]

Why does he care if they bought up his name? No one ever voted for him for it. The two votes for him are based off of randomness and inactivity. And LD always ends up changing his vote and I bet Stretchy will change her vote when an explanation comes from Alain, or someone who has talked to him. =/

[nforcer06164]

I already told you why he cared. He didn't like a finger being pointed at him, if only casually, three different times. Maybe he overreacted, but that is what he said, plain and simple.

Okay a bunch of posts went in before mine, so I will clarify something I meant to say about flux_. I was getting a bad vibe from him after his second post, which looked like a little cry just thrown in to say, "I'm new, I'm innocent, there's no reason to look at me." The fact that he can't look back and see how people act is bull. There are plenty of games he could look back on to at least get an idea of behavior and get even a loose idea of how people act when they have certain roles. He has no excuse for saying (or, more accurately, implying) that he should be given a little room for not playing here before.