TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

in regards to riotpolice: yes, lying is generally a bad idea as a human, but the more important thing is why he was lying. as i was saying in mumble before this game started, i've lied as a human (to try and expose wolves) and it's come back to bite me, when if people had been paying attention they would have seen two obvious wolves.

so basically i want to hear from riotpolice WHY he lied to danceguy, and i want to hear from danceguy why this particular lie implicates riotpolice as a wolf, other than "he lied therefore wolf"

Riotpolice insists that he did not remember James May having a Skype account. he restated this last night in the group chat. I don't believe he's actually that forgetful.

why would this lie implicate him as a wolf, if he is indeed lying? because there's no reason to continually deny that you talked to someone when you actually did, unless you're hiding something. James May was a plain human, so Riotpolice wasn't lying in order to protect a human power role.

I agree with pnt that it wouldn't make much sense for a wolf to lie about talking to a human, either. but gauging from his reactions, I do think he's lying. perhaps Riotpolice planned to answer all "did you talk to ______" questions with "no" in order to avoid further questions. again, I conclude that he has something to hide.

I can concede that it's a pretty easy position to take. I tend to approach situations very slowly and cautiously.

I certainly wouldn't want to lynch someone for trying to proceed with caution. I think you look kinda wolfy because you haven't made any important votes, which can allow a wolf to skate by in stealth mode while humans try to plot out connections.

pointing out that quick instalynches are bad for the town is a good way to make it look like your actions are pro-town, especially if you already know the lynch will result in a human flip. it's definitely speculation on my part; that's the way I'm seeing it.

great analogies though.

[Charu]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

Oddly enough, there really hasn't been much discussion in here after I told you folks, and it's been almost 24 hours. I agree with the folks that said more discussion is needed, but thus far, nothing has been given out.

why not let the riot/danceguy rap battle finish before making the obvious lynch?

oh, you dont want information?

strange

I guess this is an expected reaction from you, considering I don't even think you're in the Skype chat or even have Skype I think... do you?

The rap battle between dance and Riot took place in the Skype chat.

I guess since no one else is going to do it, I might as well make some points.

Consider these possibilities.

SCENARIO ONE
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dance is a miller, then yeah, because of his red sign, all of his reads and statements now are all thrown out the window, including that rap with him and Riot. BUT, his questions he asked Riot within the Skype chat and how Riot responded to majority of them made me really raise my eyebrows.

Riot was constantly brushing off dance, laughing at him, which sure, that's what probably a gloating green would do... maybe. But, dance then asked him this question.

"What is your role then?"

This simple question... had Riot hesitate for some reason. He didn't answer right away, he took his time. Then he answered with a joke role and laughed at dance again. When dance questioned again, all he said was "lol".

Finally after 3 or so minutes of this, he answered he was just green. Now why on EARTH did it take that long for Riot to answer back? Why was he not giving a serious answer afterwords?

Clearly... if dance is a miller, this stinks like a rotten potatoe.
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SCENARIO TWO

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dance is the wolf and because Riot has been playing a really weird game, he's using this to his advantage and calling him out.

He's using my huge suspicions of him and using my statement that I think he's the MW as leverage to pit Riot in a hole so he would most likely be targeted later days or used by the remaining wolves near the end game.

The little rap battle he did in the chat was all just a ruse to make Riot's weird play-style come into light and using his play as a means to get at him.

I recall the James May votes. Riot is playing similarly to James, albeit he's not as vocal and constantly labeling himself as defense. dance might be using this too as means for us to question his sincerity and his weird plays.
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And... well, that's all for me regarding THOSE two in particular.

[Funnygurl555]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

There may also be two more scenarios:

They could both be wolves. Riot could be the MW and dance could be a wolf. Knowing that he is going to be eliminated, dance could be suspecting Riot as some sort of distancing tactic. This may have already been used before dance was known to have flipped red, so if one went down, then the other one wouldn't.

They could both be town. Dance could be miller AND Riot could be villager. They may both just be screwing each other over by suspecting each other, causing us to lose a town when it was not completely necessary.
That being said, dance flipped red, and I understand that we should proceed with caution when figuring out what to do with him. I personally believe he's actually the miller though, because no one really suspected him prior to the seer read.

One more thing I'd like to add: Riot seemed very fishy to me since the end of Day 2, so I asked him a couple of questions yesterday. All I can say is he is either a very good liar or someone who screwed up pretty big, because his answers actually made some sense to me. That kind of makes me wonder why he did hesitate when asked what his role was in the skype chat last night... a good liar would not hesitate...

That's my two cents, guys. I'd like to see how this plays out.

[Krauthammer]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

Either way, it doesn't really matter much if Dance is the Miller or not.

The only thing that matters is that he has to die.

What is for sure is that at the end of this phase, it is guaranteed a wolf will have died, whether it was yoman or Danceguy. And nobody is going to risk not lynching him, right?

I think enough time has been given to see what could sprout. Nothing significant, so I'm making my vote now.

Danceguy

[Funnygurl555]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

Similar stuff was said in the skype chat about danceguy having to die. I get that he has to die now, but I still don't believe he's suspicious.
Ah well, 'least one wolf will be down.

[Riotpolice]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

Funny, I agree with what you have to say about the situation in the second senario with dance. I can't trust myself to not lynch him for the sake of him being the miller, at least with both (YMIA + Dance) of them dead, we know for certain that, at least, 1 wolf is dead. End of story. Pretty tired right now from being outside all day, but I'm going to vote for dance (even though I really do think he's human) because there's no choice. We need to down a wolf, one way or another. For the sake of the game...

Dance, my vote is not against you personally, it's not even against the way you've been grilling me as hard as you possibly can in skype chats throughout the game. It's against the sandbaggers and for the sake of winning the game. And I do find it very unfortunate that we are losing you because you were seered red. This is why I'm voting for you: Dance.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

*cough* *cough* bullshit *cough*

[Charu]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

Hey folks, got an interesting proposition to try, hope you all like it.

So, we all know there's an IP Sharer still walking around. We also all know that the person's vote doubles. I propose this little excercise, dohoho.

So we're at 3 votes, right? Let me just go ahead and vote now so it's at 4. danceguy117

Now then. What I want everyone in this game to do is place their vote so dance gets to 5, then you unvote immediately, understood? We do this until either someone refuses or they vote and the day ends.

Sound good? I hope so.

[pntballa18]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

Well this is a neat idea.

Just want to point out, it will only work if YMIA was an IP sharer. But 2/4 reds are IP sharers, so there's a reasonable chance this could work.

*popcorn*

[pntballa18]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

also if you're going to vote, make a post saying so, wait 5 minutes, and then vote. otherwise we could get two people "accidentally" voting at the same time

[Krauthammer]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

I see a serious flaw in this.

And it is that we, as players, can't know when an Insta happens, if we rely on the IP votes.

Unless YoshL watches every single vote, and notifies all of us when it happens.

[Charu]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

That's where you're wrong.

I just talked to him actually.

When the votes are placed and then they're unvoted. If the insta happens, every vote that happens after that... are not counted.

[Silvuh]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

pnt asked me to vote first in the chat, so I'll make a vote in five minutes.

[Silvuh]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

Okay. 時間です。

dAnceguy117

[Silvuh]

Re: TWG CIV: FFR Tournament - Reality Parallax

unvote