TWG XXIII: Assault on France! Victor E. to Humans!

[talisman]

not sure, but we did have a chat where I basically explained why it wasn't in our best interests to post pairs publicly and I think he sort of came around.

you should have that convo, I think I sent it to you last night.

[HansSky]

eb, I'm guessing that blah used that as a ploy to lure out wolves that might help support his plan. Not so sure, but it's a guess. He probably didn't support it privately, but publicly was a little different.

[Tasselfoot]

It is something to the effect of: I'm sorry that my feelings don't live up to your expectations.

Basically, its continueing me being extremely pissed off at Afro. So much so that I felt the need to respond to him in another language. I make a post explaining why I didn't respond to his gay little PM, and he pretty much ignores it and says it was nothing. That does not make Tass happy.

And eb... exactly how am I "not taking it well" any more than in past games when little HS dickholes make retarded accusations against me with no merit? Perhaps I'm in a slightly more cynical mood, hence the word choices, but the meaning itself is consistent across games and across roles. AND, this whole "not taking it well" is because I make 1.5 posts responding the Afro in addition to responding to Hans' probing in the chat? You know as well as I do that everything I said to Hans makes perfect sense, even if you don't agree to it. Nothing is out of place, because there is nothing to be out of place about.

But, in other areas.... wth is with dance? We were discussing this fine young lad in the chat, and he continues his antics in his most recent post. A retarded animation that distracts from the game, voting on nforcer because of "weird vibes" but doesn't have time to post evidence, and being on the same wavelength as tps... which I'm fairly sure is NOT a place most sane men would want to be.

[talisman]

for the public record, the chat regarding danceguy and my feelings on him:

stressreliefball (8:30:19 PM): ok here's what I'm starting to think
stressreliefball (8:30:24 PM): danceguy is a wolf
stressreliefball (8:30:45 PM): read his posts
evilbutterfly87 (8:30:49 PM): I'm sitting at 40k. I will beat you, talisman.
evilbutterfly87 (8:30:56 PM): What'd he do that's wolfy?
TasselFoot (8:30:57 PM): i think i said that before talisman...
stressreliefball (8:31:03 PM): you may have
evilbutterfly87 (8:31:06 PM): Oh sure Tass, take credit.
TasselFoot (8:31:07 PM): not strongly, but he's who i've been leaning towards voting.
stressreliefball (8:31:11 PM): I think I said it before you joined the chat though
TasselFoot (8:31:16 PM): i said it in this very chat, you fags.
stressreliefball (8:31:18 PM): he was one of my top three
stressreliefball (8:31:25 PM): anyways
TasselFoot (8:31:29 PM): ok, ok, ok. we have mutual feelings.
evilbutterfly87 (8:31:36 PM): Why?
NotSoFarOff (8:31:39 PM): When did you have a suspicion of danceguy, Tass?
stressreliefball (8:31:41 PM): his posts are all wishy washy
stressreliefball (8:31:56 PM): he's like "I'd vote for blah now but I don't want to"
stressreliefball (8:32:19 PM): "just kidding, I'm actually suspicious of nforcer because I forgot that I don't know how blah plays"
TasselFoot (8:32:25 PM): Hans: I told blah day 1 that I wanted dance... he decided on you. I mentioned that before.
stressreliefball (8:32:29 PM): --day two--
NotSoFarOff (8:32:37 PM): Oh yeah.
stressreliefball (8:32:38 PM): "I'm not even going to mention nforcer"
NotSoFarOff (8:32:43 PM): You lost your freedom day 1.
stressreliefball (8:32:47 PM): "I'm suspicious of fish and ld now"
stressreliefball (8:33:18 PM): plus there's all this sort of "feel free to talk to me"
stressreliefball (8:33:38 PM): "this vote might change because we have an hour left and I don't want to look too committed"
stressreliefball (8:33:57 PM): this guy was a frickin champion of activity and helpfulness a few games ago
stressreliefball (8:34:01 PM): what's his deal now?
NotSoFarOff (8:34:22 PM): True.
stressreliefball (8:34:35 PM): that pretty much sums up my suspicions on him
stressreliefball (8:34:58 PM): also his posts aren't related to anything... he doesn't call people out specifically like he normally does
stressreliefball (8:35:15 PM): doesn't really respond to specific things people said
TasselFoot (8:35:18 PM): that is what i remembered... his posts were fucking vague.
stressreliefball (8:35:23 PM): he's usually more engaged
stressreliefball (8:35:46 PM): on the other hand he's hinted at some sort of trouble with getting on the computer
stressreliefball (8:35:51 PM): the "I might get grounded"
stressreliefball (8:35:53 PM): and stuff
stressreliefball (8:36:00 PM): which might explain some of the inactivity
evilbutterfly87 (8:36:04 PM): I think he is grounded.
evilbutterfly87 (8:36:08 PM): But he's sneaking on.
evilbutterfly87 (8:36:14 PM): That's what I thought he was saying....
stressreliefball (8:36:28 PM): I thought he was sneaking on and if he got caught he'd get grounded
stressreliefball (8:36:38 PM): whatever
stressreliefball (8:36:46 PM): regardless of that, I still think his posts are off
stressreliefball (8:39:22 PM): and I killed the chat
stressreliefball (8:39:31 PM): what do you guys think about dance?
TasselFoot (8:41:40 PM): my feelings are known.

[nickadeemus]

So I was wondering why no one has said much about Qreepy, and I started looking through post games (I forgot about the TWG stats thread until about 20 mins of looking) to find Qreepy as a wolf. Turns out, I only found him being a wolf in TWG II, and that is hardly something I want to base anything on for this game. I realize I can look back at how he acted as a human, but I figure it would be much easier for those who have played with him already to do that kind of work.
After that I got distracted by BF2, so I'll look into someone else (nforcer) tomorrow.

[nforcer06164]

Okay, going on the list fish posted about who was in the chat during the blah "prediction":

Afro - Most likely human.

Fish - After talking to him privately over AIM and in the chat, he only comes off as human to me. I trust he's human as well.

Qreepy - Hard to get a read on him. Seems to be a bit in the shadows. None of his posts really stand out either way.

Kilga - Dead.

TPS - ...is TPS. He does stuff like this every game. I seriously think someone found a perfect way to frame him. Which leads me to...

Tass - Seriously, what is up with the hostility? I never saw you get so pissed off over a simple accusation. I'm only not voting for you because of the next guy...

dAnce - We all know about the blah "prediction"; it was already posted. Yet, he goes out of his way to post it again and point out that he doesn't see anything "noteworthy". That was unnecessary on his part, and it seems a bit odd and suspicious to me. The fact that he said he's on the same "wavelength" as TPS sets off alarm bells for me, for this simple reason: even though he says he is, he's not. TPS said well over an hour before him that I was no longer high on his list, yet dAnce voted for me anyway because I'm as suspicious to him as I am to TPS. Odd that it doesn't fit. Maybe not paying enough attention? Seems like a preemptive attempt to get me lynched.

This will be my last post for the game day, because I will not get back from my competetion before the day's end. I'm fairly confident and satisfied with my vote, though, so it's all good on my end. Good luck with the rest of the day, guys =D

[FishFishRevolution]

Tass - Seriously, what is up with the hostility? I never saw you get so pissed off over a simple accusation. I'm only not voting for you because of the next guy...

I have, rofl, anytime he gets a vote or an accusation. Tass just isn't playing a wolf's game at this point. Tass has no control over anything, since he has no in with the alliance (and if eb includes anyone else in it, Tass will probably be the last).

Now for a list.

---WOLF SCALE---
Almost 100% human 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Let's insta this sucka

Tasselfoot -3- I just said what I think about this guy. He gets a 3 just because he's Tass.

nickadeemus -5- tried to get some info on qreepy since no one can get a read on him. Productive, but I'm keeping my eye on him still. Then again, would a wolf working with nick go "hey let's wolf matt night 1 so it sort of half-frames you!" Maybe.

nforcer06164 -6- Not much has changed since my last list here

dAnceguy117 -8- Here's a good example of dance beng his usual self as a human Props to talis and Tass for catching this guy in the first place.

Afrobean -5- Smack dab in the midde because he and hans are bipolar to me at this point. Either they're crazy CRAZY wolves trying to go for an almost assured humanity, or they really are both human and Afro just was trying to save a known human. Hans has really been on Tass for that quicklynch on Day 1. Maybe he sees something that I don't.

talisman -2- this guy has presented both sides of every scenario to make sure we don't over look stuff; he's also brought up a few good ideas (danceguy). If he's a wolf this game, he's doing a damn good job making me think he's human.

lightdarkness -4- He saved Hans at the last second based off of Afro's genuine reaction to the quicklynch in the chat. If I had had no suspicion on Kilga that day, after what Afro said, I would've voted Kilga too. Haven't seen much in the way of LD on the forums Day 2. In fact, I haven't seen ONE post by him yet. What gives LD?

Tps222 -7- My suspicion on him has dropped a bit (or maybe that's just my anger) since I talked to him on AIM. He still has a few things against him that just don't make sense as a human, although, since it is TPS, I think i could see it.

GuidoHunter -6- Has had some non-weekend time to look at the thread, yet no posts. Day ends today, dude, better at least get a vote in. This guy I've had a bad feeling about since the beginning, although, it's based off of nearly nothing. I just want to see some posts to try and get a feel for who he's looking at.

HansSky -5- See "Afrobean." Has been arguing A LOT at Tass for the quicklynch thing. Does Hans usually get that offensive after almost dying?

QreepyBORIS -5- No read! Could go either way.

evilbutterfly -1- Alliance leader, but if he wasn't, he'd be a lot higher up.

[HansSky]

To me, it seems like Tps' vote on me was incredibly weak. He jumped on the last minute bandwagon to save Kilga, even though he strongly believes that ld is a wolf. He wanted his vote to count, so he says "lol inactive lynch". Seriously, there were other people just as inactive as I was, but Tps wanted his vote to count. Then today he comes up with no actual evidence that ld is a wolf, just that "something is amiss".

I need to sleep.

[FishFishRevolution]

danceguy. I want to see what you have to say for yourself about this whole deal.

PS:

LD - Tps
Tass - Afro
nforcer - dance
dance - nforcer, Fish
Tps - Hans

[evilbutterfly]

3 and a half hours left, and we've only advanced a few pages. Looks like the Day 3 slump came a bit early. I blame it on everybody having masons, so you're all so busy talking with your partner and not here on the thread. I don't think we'll do a game like this again (or at least, not for a long time).

Anywho, now that Fish has given a thread where dAnce is being all helpful, I feel the need to vote him. Forget grounding (or whatever is going on with you), I know people have been super helpful and active and not changed at all despite groundings and other ridiculous circumstances.

[dAnceguy117]

Well, I saw talisman's post last night right before I got off.. to be honest, I thought more people would've voted me by now, that's pretty strong evidence =P

I haven't been making as many direct quotes / references / etc. because it's so much harder when there's less discussion about who's acting wolfy and more about what we should do concerning the alliance. Not to mention, there's less discussion in general. Inactivity has been brought up before, and although I know I'm a main offender, we really need to get this thing rolling.

Another reason is that I played in jTWG last game. That totally throws you off, man. I put in little to no effort and I'm kind of having a weird (bad) transition. I'm going to try to put in more effort now that 1) cross country is over, 2) people have already picked out my posts to be unthoughtful, and 3) I don't need to be committed to my F5 entry anymore now that I'm almost done and have plenty of time left.

I'm sure that just sounded like a boatload of excuses, but it's the truth. Expect more from me from now on. Now I'll try to clear up some of the other things people have brought up.

But, in other areas.... wth is with dance? We were discussing this fine young lad in the chat, and he continues his antics in his most recent post. A retarded animation that distracts from the game, voting on nforcer because of "weird vibes" but doesn't have time to post evidence, and being on the same wavelength as tps... which I'm fairly sure is NOT a place most sane men would want to be.

"A retarded animation that distracts from the game"? I'm sorry, but if you're distracted from TWG by that image.. you'd better get checked for ADD. Besides, I wouldn't say any less about your post in Spanish or whatever. Voting Nforcer.. Just from his few early posts, something just seemed off. To be honest, it'd be damn hard to verbalize just why this is. I can't really explain it, it's just a gut feeling. After some thinking, though, I've realized that voting on gut you can't back is a dumb idea anyway, because no one else is going to be convinced or swayed by it.

As for being on the same wavelength on Tps, I just meant I seem to keep coming up with the same opinions as him. We've always talked to each other on AIM a lot during TWGs, and it's seemed like the opinions he tells me he has are along the same lines of what I'm thinking. Not much more I can say about it than that. It looks like some are beginning to count him off as stupid, though; remember he wouldn't be playing TWG if that were the case.

he's like "I'd vote for blah now but I don't want to"

As I said, my attack on him lost steam as I was writing it. My opinion on him changed anyway when he stopped saying people should post their partners in the thread.

"I'm not even going to mention nforcer"

I was just posting a more recently developed opinion, that being my suspicion of those attacking Tps. My opinion on Nforcer hadn't changed.

plus there's all this sort of "feel free to talk to me"

Now that's pretty out of context. I was just saying that I would finally be able to get on AIM the next day, so anyone who wanted to talk to me could.

"this vote might change because we have an hour left and I don't want to look too committed"

When I voted, Nforcer was nowhere near being in the running for the lynch. If something happened so that I felt more strongly about someone who was closer to being lynched, I would've changed it.

And no, I'm not grounded. I was sneaking on to catch up on reading the thread and then to make a quick post. All I was saying was that I wasn't supposed to be on, so the post would be brief and probably not too well elaborated.

Since all I really have in terms of suspicions is gut feelings, I'm going to reread the thread now and see if I can find anything.

[dAnceguy117]

Wow.. this is tough. Rereading the end of day 1, I've realized something. Part of the reason why I've felt Tps has been acting humanly was because he stuck up for Kilga, who I strongly believe was human. Now that I look at it, the quick change to Hans really is weird. If I were a wolf, I would leap at the chance to give Hans the lynch at the end of the day. The fact that he made the huge post on LD right before (I think this has been brought up too) he switched to Hans makes it seem even weirder.

I still don't really think Tps is a wolf, but I'm not so sure about him now. Anyway, back to rereading.

[lightdarkness]

I really don't know what to do here. I talked to Nick and didn't really get much out of him that I didn't already know. Just the general responses, but I guess that's all you can give. I'm gonna vote him again cause I don't honestly have a better vote to make.

According to Fish's guide, no one has voted for him, so ya'll can't bitch at me for day 1. Any questions feel free to IM me.

[dAnceguy117]

Where are Qreepy and Guido? They've hardly posted. I don't think either have posted during day 2.

My vote on Nforcer is going to change.. but I just don't know to who. I'd like for more to happen in the two and a half hours we have left. Not to mention, everyone had better get their votes in.

[Tasselfoot]

dance... I was wondering that as well. And, as I have resources to reach Guido, I used them and contacted his sexy half (Amanda) and asked her where her man was at. She called him, and as per her... "he forgot". And, that he'll be stopping by his brothers to get to a computer to post.

I'm not happy about it, but the fact that he forgot about TWG makes me think he's human.


On the other side... my vote is resting on dance. I suggested him to blah day 1 instead of Hans, but was ignored... and had a vote on dance yesterday mattered, I'd have made it. His early posts today are way off, as have been noted already. Combine that with his fairly well thought out and polished response AFTER he took heat... as opposed to his fairly shitty posts BEFORE. AND his "attempts" at being able after that post as well. The whole thing comes across forced and contrived. "Oh shit... I'm taking heat... let me actually thing about a post for once, get some help in polishing it... and then make it LOOK like i'm actually trying to be helpful!"

His past games actions as a human speak volumes when compared to his actions this game. Night and day.