TWG XXIII: Assault on France! Victor E. to Humans!

[evilbutterfly]

This is Afrobean: hans and I have talked a lot since I came out

Hans said some idea (I can't even remember what)
evilbutterfly87: Well your partner seems to think otherwise
NotSoFarOff: Well he's a ******
NotSoFarOff: I don't actually talk to him much.

Afro sent me some logs, too, but he keeps being like "oh, I guess I'm missing 3 hours of logs. Whoops!" We all know logs don't just disappear, they get editted out by wolves. Afro has been kinda.....I dunno, bold? He's never this bold, from what I know of him. Then again, he faked blue last game and nobody believed him. They all were like "I know you're faking, but I don't think you're a wolf..." I wasn't in the game, but Afro kept sending me convos with people and being like "wtf nobody thinks I'm wolfy anymore " THIS LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT AFRO IS GOOD AT SEEMING REALLY DAMN HUMAN. I also think that him stressing that he and Hans are human about 2000000 times in the chat to be reeeeeeeeeally.....weird. It's like, he KNOWS people won't suspect him based on him faking blue, so he's just like "oh fuck it, I'll be so ridiculously bold and 'oh no a wolf wouldn't!' that everybody will 'know' that I'm human!! YAY!"

Tass had his chance to get the rain of fire from everybody. Now it's your turn, Afro.

Also, Hans was like "I'm not active when I'm a wolf." O rly? Well hey Hans, where the hell have you been? Not anywhere near the fucking TWG forums? Ya rly! You Chrises (or however you would pluralize that) have some explaining to do.

PS: I'm sure Hans and Afro are like "wtf I thought he liked us " right now. And I bet Tass is like "wtf I thought I was gonna get lynched o_O" too. YOU'D LIKE TO THINK THAT, WOULDN'T YOU!? =P

[nforcer06164]

Like I said in the chat last night... this is exactly what the wolves would do to screw us over if we hadn't gotten any wolves about now. Now, we can't say any widow is a confirmed human right now, because we can't be sure who was and wasn't a wolf, but we do know two things:

1) We lynched partners who weren't wolves
2) We have (most likely) three widows. ONE is a wolf.

It is highly unpractical that we go for all three widows (those of matt, qreepy, and blah). My notion is that either matt's partner or qreepy's partner is a wolf. And of those two, I'd have to say Qreepy's partner. It would have been a bad idea for the wolves to kill a wolf Night 1, because after Talisman's PM, it was obvious it was not beneficial. I'm highly confident that we can lynch another wolf today if eb thinks this will work. And so it appears my fear of a three-wolf situation was not necessary....

Anybody have any objections?

[HansSky]

This is Afrobean: hans and I have talked a lot since I came out

Hans said some idea (I can't even remember what)
evilbutterfly87: Well your partner seems to think otherwise
NotSoFarOff: Well he's a (#*$*@
NotSoFarOff: I don't actually talk to him much.

Oh you incompetent asshole. I think it’s cute that you tried to trap us as wolves, but doesn’t that just prove how much we don’t actually talk to each other? Do you really think that we’re dumb enough to not have agreeing opinions and stories if we were wolves? I could tell what you were doing on AIM. You were asking me questions like “What SN do you talk to Afrobean on?” Does that really matter as a wolf or human? I figured you were trying to maybe set a small trap for me or Afro, but I didn’t think we were your top suspicions.

Afro has been kinda.....I dunno, bold? He's never this bold, from what I know of him. Then again, he faked blue last game and nobody believed him. They all were like "I know you're faking, but I don't think you're a wolf..."

I don’t want to speak on Afro’s behalf, but maybe he’s being bold because as of now, he’s having to explain himself every five seconds. I could say more, but I’ll let Afro defend himself.

Also, Hans was like "I'm not active when I'm a wolf." O rly? Well hey Hans, where the hell have you been? Not anywhere near the #$#ing TWG forums? Ya rly! You Chrises (or however you would pluralize that) have some explaining to do.

Jesus. Now you’re using my own words against me. I said that in chat yesterday, meaning that I would have said that THIS game. If I said that this game, that means I would be incriminating myself the same game that I were a wolf. Again, am I that dumb? I’d like to think you’d give me more credit than that.

The only reason I’m showing a hint of anger right now is because it would seem that since eb is the alliance leader(by alliance I mean eb, himself and maybe the guardian) his word might turn to be law. And I can only assume from this that if Afro gets lynched, I’ll be going a day later. Package deal. That means that two humans will be lynched day 3 and 4, leaving 3 wolves by the beginning of day five. If I’m right, seven players will be left, meaning you guys only need to fuck up once for the wolves win. You have to believe we’re human. If you don’t, then the wolves win the game. Plain and simple.

[FishFishRevolution]

It would have been a bad idea for the wolves to kill a wolf Night 1, because after Talisman's PM, it was obvious it was not beneficial.

Not really, I'm sure more than just talis had that idea, and the PM could've just reassured them to do it more. Especially if matt was a wolf, getting rid of him would be better than any other helpful wolf. Plus, there was and is NO WAY to know for sure which one of the three wolfings was actually a wolf beyond speculation.

[talisman]

"you guys" instead of "we", hans?

it's honestly a tough call, but just looking at day one it works like this in my mind. Tass looks like textbook tass as a human, not at all like last game day one. Afro looks like he's repeating his day one from last game, or trying to give that impression, especially regarding his early vote on nick. Hans looks like he's trying to act like he did last game as well, same kind of low posting and voting with little sustenance. So who is more suspicious? I'm with eb, I lean towards afro/hans, but it's still kind of a toss up.

afro and hans made early posts within an hour of each other. I GUESS it's possible they weren't able to contact each other in that time but it seems to me unlikely. They apparently had no communication with each other until AFTER day one was over (or at least til after afro voted kilga), which seems very odd. Then there's the whole ld factor. ld is the one who actually saves hans, not kilga. I can definitely see the scenario where it's afro/hans + ld (unless of course ld is part of the third pair).

The final piece of the puzzle would be the wolfings. Would afro/hans wolf matt night one? If matt was a wolf, then it could be that they were just completely disregarding my pm to be deliberately tricksy. It is something I can see afro doing. If matt was a human, then it's a straight up confusion kill or it's to set up someone (making it look like matt was a wolf sacrifice) for a later self-wolfing. I can see afro doing it (again) more than I can see hans doing it but these scenarios aren't as clear.

Now, blah. Blah proposed that the pairs come out in public. Tass was strongly against this. Afro had already suggested this and been shot down. So unless blah was doing it to make himself look deliberately unlike the other wolf pair, I think blah was human. Afro seems awfully ("80%") sure that he's human as well.

Finally, qreepy. why qreepy? It makes no sense, really, unless he's a wolf or the wolves went blue-hunting. Or matt was the wolf and the wolves wanted to at least give his widow fifty-fifty chances by making another similar looking kill. Also the timing was interesting. Tass, afro, and hans were all on when the kill took place, so that doesn't tell us too much. Except I don't think tass' partner was on, but then that raises the issue of whether or not tass sends in a predetermined kill or just doesn't wait to consult his partner or what.

The thing with tass being a wolf is that I don't see him A) killing matt, regardless of his role, especially after my pm B) putting himself in the situation of blindly following blah (blindly being relative) and then killing him the next night so that all the atttention shifts down to him C) deciding to wolf a wolf night three... 2 pair wouldn't have been any easier to catch than widow pair.

There is one thing that might make tass a wolf and that is the removal of the autopsy on day five... it seems to me possible that tass as a wolf (knowing as he said how powerful such an autopsy would be) would point this out to mead and be like "change it, bitch". Would it be a violation of the rules to ask mead whether or not he had any help in deciding to remove the day five autopsy?

By the way hans, that last post was the most wolfish post I've seen you make this game. It reeks of trying to cash in on the stupid card you've been playing all game. "Oh we wouldn't be dumb enough to do this as wolves." Not to mention how it's written completely from a wolf perspective. (the "you guys" like I already mentioned)

[talisman]

interesting...

lightdarkness42 (7:46:11 PM): SHIT
lightdarkness42 (7:46:12 PM): IDEA
lightdarkness42 (7:46:16 PM): AFRO IM ME
This is Afrobean (7:46:19 PM): ok...
TasselFoot (7:46:43 PM): why afro?
This is Afrobean (7:46:50 PM): I'm awesome lolz
stressreliefball (7:46:54 PM): ok so why was ld talking to mead in the first place
lightdarkness42 (7:46:54 PM): I trust Afro

edit:

from a little earlier, dovetailing nicely...

lightdarkness42 (7:41:33 PM): woah waoh woah waoh
insanelikeafish (7:41:34 PM): who was the wolf
stressreliefball (7:41:34 PM): to wolf a wolf last night
lightdarkness42 (7:41:38 PM): how is this possible
This is Afrobean (7:41:52 PM): I said from the beginning that matt would make a good sacrifice
lightdarkness42 (7:41:52 PM): I say we wolf matt's partner today
stressreliefball (7:41:56 PM): we need eb up in this joint
This is Afrobean (7:41:59 PM): that sounds liek a good plan

[lightdarkness]

interesting...

lightdarkness42 (7:46:11 PM): (#$%
lightdarkness42 (7:46:12 PM): IDEA
lightdarkness42 (7:46:16 PM): AFRO IM ME
This is Afrobean (7:46:19 PM): ok...
TasselFoot (7:46:43 PM): why afro?
This is Afrobean (7:46:50 PM): I'm awesome lolz
stressreliefball (7:46:54 PM): ok so why was ld talking to mead in the first place
lightdarkness42 (7:46:54 PM): I trust Afro

Well... me trusting afro was based on his little stunt with Hans the other day, and since eb seems to think that means dick, i'm willing to follow along with whatever...

Also...

You were asking me questions like “What SN do you talk to Afrobean on?” Does that really matter as a wolf or human?

Yes, it does. I know for a FACT that Afro uses Gaim for "This Is Afrobean", so all his convos were logged. If I recall correctly from the chat last night, you said you talk to him on that name (Or maybe i'm just hilliusinating, who knows). That is why it's probably important.

[talisman]

I'd like to point out from my edit convo that ld and afro entered their responses in the same second, so ld didn't have time to read what afro had just said and respond to it. ld essentially went from realizing that there were three wolves left to straight up suggesting we off matt's partner, no hesitation, no mention of blah's or qreepy's partners.

[lightdarkness]

This is Afrobean (7:41:52 PM): I said from the beginning that matt would make a good sacrifice
lightdarkness42 (7:41:52 PM): I say we wolf matt's partner today

I mean lynch, and you all know that.

i said it because that is what made sense at the time. I thought why else would they wolf matt?

So yea, that's why

lunch time

[talisman]

rofl I didn't even notice the "wolf". My point was that you completely missed blah and qreepy and immediately assumed it had to be matt. It almost smells like it was planned in advance.

[Tasselfoot]

Afro... but that should be obvious for everyone who was in the chat last night. I'd quote the chat, but every other word I used was profane and would be (&^(&%*(^%*&^%'d out.

So, I'll stick to "eb said what I'd say fairly well."

[evilbutterfly]

Guys, I seriously think Afro/Hans is a good choice. Especially if Afro comes back and has shitty defense, they're looking mega wolfy today. And if they're being truthful and really are human, then it's okay. Like everybody has said, we would only be allowed one mistake, but since we have a 50/50 chance of getting the right widow, we just hit one and if that was wrong hit the other, then lynch the last pair and we'll win. We may only have a few people left, worst case scenario, but we can do it.

[HansSky]

ADSFSADDA

YOU GUYS ARE ALL IDIOTS

[talisman]

afro

reasons/scenarios already discussed. Plus hans is really not helping their case here.

[talisman]

I don't know why you can't do this hans... so I'm going to leave it here and go do homework.

stressreliefball (2:19:06 PM): let me put it straight to you: who is the third wolf?
stressreliefball (2:19:18 PM): if it's tass/x and who?
NotSoFarOff (2:19:28 PM): I swear
NotSoFarOff (2:19:37 PM): I'm going to have a stroke or something
stressreliefball (2:19:42 PM): of the players still left in the game
stressreliefball (2:19:49 PM): who do you think are the wolves with tass
stressreliefball (2:19:53 PM): simple question
NotSoFarOff (2:20:08 PM): I haven't gotten that far.
stressreliefball (2:20:12 PM): well get there
stressreliefball (2:20:39 PM): if you want to try to convince me that it's tass you gotta make a good case for who the others are
stressreliefball (2:20:52 PM): that's the main reason I lean so strongly to you/afro right now
NotSoFarOff (2:21:51 PM): I don't fucking know.
NotSoFarOff (2:21:58 PM): Maybe tps
NotSoFarOff (2:22:04 PM): but it's probably one or the other, not both.
stressreliefball (2:22:34 PM): there are two other wolves out there besides tass
stressreliefball (2:22:37 PM): if it's him
stressreliefball (2:22:53 PM): what about just ranking everyone left in the game besides you afro and eb?
stressreliefball (2:22:57 PM): in terms of suspiciousness?
stressreliefball (2:24:22 PM): ?
NotSoFarOff (2:26:07 PM): hold on
NotSoFarOff (2:29:42 PM): I'm talking to Guido right now
NotSoFarOff (2:29:50 PM): Who's actually listening to what I have to say.
stressreliefball (2:30:05 PM): I just want you to rank everyone left in the game
stressreliefball (2:33:28 PM): cmon it can't be that difficult to rank people by your suspicions
NotSoFarOff (2:33:47 PM): talisman-99.15
NotSoFarOff (2:33:49 PM): Happy?
stressreliefball (2:33:54 PM): the rest?
stressreliefball (2:34:05 PM): tass answered it seriously
stressreliefball (2:34:14 PM): you aren't helping your case by not doing the same
stressreliefball (2:36:47 PM): fine, I'll go first: afro/hans/ld/tass/tps/guido/nick/fish/nforcer/eb