TWG XXIII: Assault on France! Victor E. to Humans!

[evilbutterfly]

THE FACT THAT NONE OF YOU ARE TALKING MAKES ME ANGRY. WHO THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO VOTE FOR WHEN NONE OF YOU TALK TO SHOW HOW AWESOMELY HUMAN YOU ARE?! D=<

Now, let's go into when the wolves would come to me. I'm thinking either very first, or 2nd~3rd. I have a bit of a hunch, but I dunno if I'm thinking this through right. Tass came out right away (as you all know, if you read his post), and I dunno if that's just his style or if he's trying too hard to be human or if I'm wrong in thinking the wolves would come to me right away. It really sucks for you guys that I am the head of the alliance, cuz I've got crap analyzing skillz.

[Kilgamayan]

Something doesn't sit right with blah wanting public release of teams when he hadn't even told eb his team privately yet.

I think this game is one time I actually wish I was in the loop.

[lightdarkness]

Just got back from a 27-person hold-em tournament where someone dodged my bullets on the river to take me out at 9th place, so I'm still a little steamy.

About matt-
Confusion kill? Maybe. I can't judge how he would have played during this game, but just on the fact that he and I are TWG noobs means that killing either of us is not a big advantage for the wolves; hence my suspicion. This is one time I hope my suspicion is wrong and matt WAS just a confusion kill. If there was a higher purpose to his death, I can't help but feel threatened being the only inexperienced player left.

The lone green scenarios seem to have been beaten to death by a few other people, and I'm fine with believing that matt was not the lone green and eb is. I didn't see matt online at all today, and the fact that he lives on another continent (and is sleeping when most people are online here) makes me almost certain he didn't 'slip-up' to anyone on AIM. For now and hopefully for the rest of the game, my trust is with you, eb.

Now excuse me while I put my bad beat on replay in my head.

I vote nick because of this post.

[QreepyBORIS]

Well, if at least one pair and the guardian come out to the lone green, one person from a Mason group could "switch" with the guardian. Or better yet, all the groups that came out have at least one person switched, so only the lone green knows who the guardian is and what group they are in.

Then again, that defeats the purpose of having the groups come out. If there was a purpose to that at all.

Why doesn't this have like 9 pages? This is kind of disappointing; most of the players haven't even posted yet. I don't want to vote this prematurely, because we know jack-all-squat about most of the players.

[Afrobean]

Just got back from a 27-person hold-em tournament where someone dodged my bullets on the river to take me out at 9th place, so I'm still a little steamy.

About matt-
Confusion kill? Maybe. I can't judge how he would have played during this game, but just on the fact that he and I are TWG noobs means that killing either of us is not a big advantage for the wolves; hence my suspicion. This is one time I hope my suspicion is wrong and matt WAS just a confusion kill. If there was a higher purpose to his death, I can't help but feel threatened being the only inexperienced player left.

The lone green scenarios seem to have been beaten to death by a few other people, and I'm fine with believing that matt was not the lone green and eb is. I didn't see matt online at all today, and the fact that he lives on another continent (and is sleeping when most people are online here) makes me almost certain he didn't 'slip-up' to anyone on AIM. For now and hopefully for the rest of the game, my trust is with you, eb.

Now excuse me while I put my bad beat on replay in my head.

I vote nick because of this post.

While I can't say I disagree with your vote, I do disagree with the way you've presented it.

You really should do better to justify a vote than "because I said so," especially when that person already has a vote on them.

[mead1]

4.5 hours guys. Better get crackin'

[dAnceguy117]

So I'm finally back yay. Only two and a half hours later than expected.

I can understand where you guys are coming from on the activity issue, but I don't see why anyone is complaining about not knowing who to vote for. There have been a lot of odd posts. You should be able to decide something for yourself.

Me? Personally nforcer would be on the top of my list for the stupid attack on Afro, but I'd like to hold out on that vote a little while longer. I was suspicious of blah, but then I remembered I don't know how he plays at all, so I'm gonna wait to see more from him.

[talisman]

kilga

I get an odd vibe from his first post and his vote would be an extemely safe one if he were a wolf and blah was human, because no one can deny that blah's idea was dumb. (I think, like I said earlier, that this makes blah look more human than wolf). I'm also suspicious of guido a little bit, but that's because the guy hasn't posted much. ld's vote is probably the weakest and most random vote I've ever seen and honestly I expect better than him if he's a wolf (I better not be overestimating). afro's isn't much better, but at least he made up a reason.

[talisman]

for the public record, ld's reasoning:

stressreliefball (3:23:54 PM): your vote for nickadeemus
stressreliefball (3:23:59 PM): any reasoning?
lightdarkness42 (3:26:06 PM): yea
lightdarkness42 (3:26:14 PM): h2
lightdarkness42 (3:26:15 PM): oen sec
stressreliefball (3:26:22 PM): k
lightdarkness42 (3:27:17 PM): his post was werid
lightdarkness42 (3:27:18 PM): like
lightdarkness42 (3:27:20 PM): explaining the kill
lightdarkness42 (3:27:29 PM): I dunno, I seem to remember wolves doing that in the past
stressreliefball (3:27:42 PM): mmmk
stressreliefball (3:27:49 PM): basically same as afro then I guess
lightdarkness42 (3:27:54 PM): wait
lightdarkness42 (3:27:57 PM): afro voted nick?
stressreliefball (3:27:59 PM): yeah
stressreliefball (3:28:04 PM): right after that post
stressreliefball (3:28:09 PM): top of the next page
lightdarkness42 (3:28:15 PM): oh, I was just trying to make a random vote
lightdarkness42 (3:28:20 PM): but not get flack for it being random
stressreliefball (3:29:05 PM): I see

[evilbutterfly]

ld's vote is probably the weakest and most random vote I've ever seen and honestly I expect better than him if he's a wolf (I better not be overestimating).

Don't forget that he was humanly inactive in order to fool us last game (or the one before that? I forget). I wouldn't put it past LD to act retarded just to be human. Then again, I don't really know LD TWG-wise other than the whole "I'm busy I can't be active lol" thing. Hell, the only person I really know is Afro, and turns out I DON'T EVEN KNOW HIM WELL ENOUGH ANYMORE!!

Anywho, people need to quit coming up with plans where I release names of pairs. The simple fact is this: the more pairs I release, the more likely the guardian will die. ALSO, every time one of a pair is wolfed I will know that the other is a human, thus narrowing down the list of people to choose from. If the wolves know ANY of the pairs, they could easily just wolf both people in a pair (especially if they're both high level) to eliminate known humans. So really, telling any pairs at all on the forums is a bad idea.

Right now we're kinda screwed information-wise, but every time somebody gets wolfed (unless wolves are lucky and hit 2 in a pair) we get another confirmed human. Plus, if we lynch a wolf then it'll be easy to get the other one after the autopsy.

Speaking of which, how does that work? Is it just like delayed cardflipping or like a delayed psychic? It better be delayed cardflipping or this is totally unfair.

[Tps222]

Ok, voting LD. He wants to establish himself as a more active player this game, to try and fit in. Using the upcoming "Post Minimum" rule coming up, and wanting to help now that he has time. He thinks" How's a good way to accomplish said idea, oh I know, lets vote Nick. No one knows his playing style, he's a jTWG noob, and, he could be connected with the death of Matt. Seems like a pretty safe idea. I'll use the excuse of past wolves bringing up the death beforehand, and I should be set". Then, when he is confronted, he explains that is was a random-ish type post. To me, this looks like an "Uh oh, resort back to ol' LD before things get worse, people will be like "Oh, that's LD being LD", I should be fine". Yea, good plan LD, good plan. So, unless you can disprove this in anyway, I'm staying on you.

[lightdarkness]

voting chart please

[HansSky]

I vote Kilga because he actually wants to play.

But seriously, I agree with talisman. His first post seems forced to me, and that's about as good as I can come up with right now.

[nickadeemus]

Alright, so now I have two votes on me (even though LD didn't know he was the second vote, or so he claims).
Afro, you say a human wouldn't talk the way I did about the kill when there hasn't been that type of talk about it already. Hans and eb both acted shocked/surprised at the death of matt. Tps assumes confusion kill. This is what I construct my first sentence from. I felt that matt's death was more than just a confusion kill, because the way the roles are setup in this game makes killing a noob a dumb idea; even for confusion.
Then, talis restates his plan for the lone green, eb comes out, and tass runs through more scenarios regarding the lone green. I say enough people are talking about the lone green, and I wouldn't be able to come up with anything new.

So, either I misunderstood what you meant when you said "especially when there's not that kind of talk about it already." or you just made up some BS addition to your reasoning.

Right now my suspicion is on LD. I'm voting for him 25% random, 5% because he put a 2nd vote on me, 20% suspicion, and 50% because I am leaving after I make this post to my dad's house and may not be able to make another vote. My suspicion comes from last game when he promised to be active and actually wanted to be active, but was told to keep quiet by Tass. If he wanted to be an active human last game (but couldn't because he was a wolf), what has come up this game that is causing him to stay under the radar with the content of his posts?

[evilbutterfly]

Ok, voting LD. He wants to establish himself as a more active player this game, to try and fit in.

Going along with what I said before, remember that in the postgame LD said he wanted to be more active but Tass told him not to in order to maintain his quiet human image. Also remember that LD, for a while, was known for randomly voting in the first couple posts of Day 1.

That said, the only people I suspect right now are TPS and blah because both of them have suggested revealing the partners. blah moreso than TPS, since TPS did it privately and all. Overall though, I just don't know. I suck at reading people. =\