TWG XXIII: Assault on France! Victor E. to Humans!

[Afrobean]

This level of activity does not look good. It appears that there has been a chat recently based on the logs fish posted above. Is there a chat right now?

[nforcer06164]

There was a chat earlier. I didn't save the log. We have to do something to stir activity, but nobody is up for the whole "reveal your partners" thing, and I think they're right about playing it safe and talking only to eb. So we've hit something of a dead end here.

[FishFishRevolution]

I have the chat log from when I was in it. I think I have most of when they were actually talking about TWG, if not all of it. They went off and talked about other things then everyone went silent. If you'd like it, IM me.

[evilbutterfly]

I like how blah tells everybody to reveal themselves but then doesn't even do it himself. Furthermore, he hasn't come to me with his partner. 10 people have. That leaves 5, right? Where the hell are the rest of you? Hiding with your wolf buddies?

PS: If I'm different, I'd say it's either 1) being special 2) being pissed at being green 3) not being a wolf 4) having played Mafia in real life with the people on my hall. It was awesome. In one game I was the seer and somebody was like "Well Noah has been all shifty eyed, let's vote him!!" and they're like "Your defense?" and I was like "I'm the seer, I saw that dude over there, he's a mafia man." and they lynched him. The guardian gaurded me that night and saved me, then they killed me the next night! D=< But yeah, I was aggressive that game and it worked well, and I've been feeling more aggressive in general lately. I just wanna jumpkick everything.

Moral of this story: Noah is a dynamic character, which is cool because it means I'm way harder to read in this game. ^___________^

[dAnceguy117]

Sorry about not posting at all. I've only been able to check the thread once up until now, and I didn't have time to make a post. Slow thinker + slow typer = slow ass posts.

I would toss my vote on to blah right now, but I want to see what others have to say about it. It looks like just about the only thing being discussed right now is eb and who should come out where.

Why am I suspicious of blah? Well, I know blah is a smart guy, and he sure didn't show it in his posts. Revealing your partners publically is pretty obviously a foolish strategy. The fact that he pointed it out and encouraged it gives me the impression that he's trying to force one direction of thinking.

My VICIOUS ATTACK on blah kinda lost some steam there. Meh, whatever. I should be home ~1 PM tomorrow, and I'll be wanting to discuss stuff after not being able to all this time, so feel free to IM me.

[QreepyBORIS]

Wait a sec. Did I misconstrue something, or did a plan involve the guardian coming out? Doesn't that not make any sense? The guardian can't guard himself, and he's be the obvious target for a wolfing. I hope I misread something.

[Afrobean]

Wait a sec. Did I misconstrue something, or did a plan involve the guardian coming out? Doesn't that not make any sense? The guardian can't guard himself, and he's be the obvious target for a wolfing. I hope I misread something.

Actually, Blah said that we should come out in the thread with our pairs, which would leave the guardian exposed. In fact, Blah said we should follow this plan even after I asked if there would be anything wrong with the plan and Tass promptly replied "we post our pairs=gaurdian is dead."

So, basically, yes. Blah's plan involved the guardian "coming out."

[nforcer06164]

No, Afro, you're wrong. Blah's plan included pairing the guardian with matt's widowed mason partner through eb to ensure that his identity would be kept secret. I thought the same thing that you all were thinking, but fortunately I was around to ask him when he made his post. So, in short, the guardian would paired with matt's former partner, keeping his identity safe.

I think we should take a hard look at who has not contacted eb yet. It'll give us a good idea of who might be wolves. That means, if you're a wolf and you haven't contacted eb with a partner, it's a very good idea to contact eb right now before you're exposed.

[talisman]

so blah was criticizing my back up plan which explicitly involved having matt's partner know the guardian and then suggesting that the two pretend to be paired?

edit: (changed period to question mark cause it didn't make sense the other way)

[nforcer06164]

you know what, thinking about it, I go back to ADVOCATING RELEASING ALL THE TEAMS IN THE FORUM.
The harm is that theoreticalyl the wolves can not kiill 2 people of the same team .. A. that is an incredibly small chance of happening, and not the most devastating to overall utility anyways
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We all have tne knowledge of al lthe teams and can see how epople interact and if we spot a wolf, we all can base it fof the character of the other person.

To reiterate, I am now STRONGLY for us all posting our teams in publicly

I think he changed what he was in favor of, Talisman. And there's the idea we've all been arguing about, everyone, in case you're a bit lost as to what's been going on recently.

[evilbutterfly]

I still only have 12 people. There are 15 of us now, minus myself, which leaves 14. So there's only one pair that has yet to come out to me. So, basically, I already know who they are, but they should have come to me. We have 6 hours (till 8pm) to make a decision on this, so I'm thinking about posting this final pair and letting you guys do with them as you please.

Any objections?

[nforcer06164]

Okay, this activity is absolutely DISGUSTING. All of you. Many of you have been refuting ideas that would encourage activity, so what do you do instead? You sit on your asses and pretend like this thread doesn't exist. Is that going to help us catch the wolves? NO! It's a Saturday afternoon. You should have time to at least say something.

I'm placing my vote now. Afro. First for his hasty vote on nick with poor reasoning, second for his "sketchy" comment referring to eb, and third for his bs defense of his "sketchy" statement. It starts with the first post on page 3 if you want to look back.

I may not be back before the deadline comes, so don't be surprised if I'm not here. I have to run out of money to play ITG2 and Drummania 10th first.

QUICK EDIT: Thanks for trying to start some stuff, eb. I say post them.

[FishFishRevolution]

Objection: Any known pairs narrow it down for the wolves; if you know the pair, there's no problem. The pair are probably apathetic humans IMO because wolves are going to try and go with this deal.

[Afrobean]

Fish is right. I say we keep them secret.

PS nforcer, shut the hell up.

First for his hasty vote on nick with poor reasoning

Hmm... day one usually has excellent reasoning for the votes, right? And besides, nick DID act in EXACTLY the way a jTWG would if he were a wolf. Humans don't comment on the night 1 kill in that way, especially when there's not that kind of talk about it already.

second for his "sketchy" comment referring to eb

If you don't see it, that's not my fault, but eb himself admitted to acting differently.

third for his bs defense of his "sketchy" statement.

So you're saying I don't know eb better than anyone else here? Yea, ok.

[talisman]

Exactly what fish said... posting them could do no good.

For what it's worth, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that blah is far more cautious and less likely to make a dumb suggestion like that as a wolf. Especially the vote so early on... he usually plays a more conservative game as a wolf, or at least that's what I recall from the last time I remember him as a wolf. Not saying it's impossible that he's trying out a new style and thought that strongly suggesting that everyone come out would look human, just that it's unlikely.