TWG XXIII: Assault on France! Victor E. to Humans!

[nickadeemus]

Seeing from last game, I doubt I can say anything to convince Afro to get his vote off me. . .he loves that 1st post logic. I'm not trying cast a shadow on the vote, and I feel Afro (and Hans) are likely human--But if everyone accepts them as humans just because they revealed themselves, does this mean that if another group reveals themselves as masons that we are going to believe them as easily as Afro/Hans? I just don't want to jump right in to accepting that they are telling the truth.

[nforcer06164]

No, nick... Anybody that reveals themselves in the thread now shouldn't be trusted. I doubt it will happen anyway. It's highly illogical. We've all agreed it's not a good idea. But, look back to my last post on page 8 as to why I believe Afro/Hans really are human if you're still a bit skeptical.

Talisman, in response to your response (huh) of my question, I'd like to clarify what I thought before: my theory is that blah was targeted because he was an easily killed power player; there was almost no fear of a guarding. I saw no evidence that could make the wolves think he was matt's partner, or the guardian. I think it was little more than a random stab. The theory that he was a good kill because of his plan is still little more than speculation over any possibility to me, but it does seem a decent idea as any.

Now, focusing on TPS... what the hell are you doing? If you are human, you're only making things harder for us. Plus, I really don't appreciate you making me look like a wolf, which Fish kindly pointed out. Now, TPS almost predicted blah's death, which makes me really uneasy. TPS seems to be acting stupider than usual (no offense, TPS), which is starting to bug me as well.

Fish, I'd really appreciate it if you could post who else was in that chat at the time TPS was making his comments on blah. We'd have a few people we could look at that might have known why blah was a good kill, or otherwise framing TPS, decide what's most feasible, and act accoringly. I think it's one of the best things we can look at right now.

Tuesday is going to be a busy night for me what with a scholastic bowl meet at all, so I won't be around at the end of the game day again. I'll likely make a vote tomorrow morning, so let's try to get as much discussion done as possible tonight so I can get a solid vote tomorrow and you guys can formulate more later on while I'm gone. I'm not trying to make myself a focus; I just want to get as much done as quickly as we can so I can be helpful even when I'm not here =D

[FishFishRevolution]

Uh, I dunno nforcer, I think it was dance, afro, qreepy, fish, kilga, tass, and tps. If I missed someone, feel free to post that you were in there at that time too.

[dAnceguy117]

Tps7910 (7:49:46 PM): Now, Blah,
Tps7910 (7:49:51 PM): I don't think he is a wolf.
This is Afrobean (7:49:55 PM): I don't see the big deal about blah either
Tps7910 (7:50:01 PM): I doubt he would suggest such a risky plan that openly.
This is Afrobean (7:50:07 PM): maybe, but I don't see how he is
P337 teh 1337 (7:50:09 PM): But there's always that chance
Tps7910 (7:50:10 PM): Especially day 1
P337 teh 1337 (7:50:12 PM): Yeah, I don't know either
This is Afrobean (7:50:15 PM): he seems more human to me
Tps7910 (7:50:19 PM): He would gain nothing
Tps7910 (7:50:21 PM): anf lose everything.
P337 teh 1337 (7:50:23 PM): How does he usually play as a wolf?
This is Afrobean (7:50:30 PM): tps
Tps7910 (7:50:38 PM): What?
This is Afrobean (7:50:42 PM): if I were you I wouldn't talk about risking everything to gain nothing
P337 teh 1337 (7:50:49 PM): agahaha
Tps7910 (7:50:52 PM): Oh well.
This is Afrobean (7:50:53 PM): that's what got you lynched before, remember?
Tps7910 (7:50:57 PM): Yea.
Tps7910 (7:51:06 PM): But Blah is smarter than me.

That's all I could find Tps saying about blah. I don't see anything noteworthy there.

[Afrobean]

Actually, nick, your response to my PM (not the list one; a special one I sent only to a few people that I think may be wolves) has made me less sure of you. In fact, it basically changed my opinions on you entirely. Now, I'm more worried about those who DIDN'T reply to the PM I sent them.

Here is what I sent:

Why didn't you wolf myself or Hans?

This is what nick said:

For the same reason why you didn't wolf me.

I wouldn't think that a wolf would be able to come up with something like that. A wolf likely would have said "Because I'm not a wolf." Nick's response seems a lot more human.

One of those that did not reply was Tass. He is definitely out of character this game with his whole blah thing and being unsure of who to vote for. He basically ignored it entirely despite having read it; he didn't respond via PM, AIM, or in the forums.

[QreepyBORIS]

Err, I'd think that TAss would always have someone to vote for, regardless of role. For example, take last game. He was filled with plenty strong opinions, and he was a wolf. He did his job as a "human". So I don't know what kind of evidence that serves to be. He's probably just busy.

[Tps222]

Sigh.

Ok, after further investigation of Fish, it turns out I was being ignorant, and completely missed things he contributed. My suspicion off him is dropped for now, and I appologize for my stupidity.

nForcer, I can accuse anyone I want, so relax. You're not high up on my list, and will probably drop down when I re-read the thread once more, and read a past game. The feeling I had towards you no longer exists when I re-read the thread last night.

LD, sigh, LD. I don't know what to make of it. Everything I said about him could make him a human as much as it makes him a wolf. It's just, I feel like something is amiss, something seems different. Obviously, most of you do not feel the same, and I guess speaking against popular belief gets you killed, what a diverse efficient system.

Guido has been innactive, and people keep telling me he usually is. To reitterate my point, something about him bugs me, somthing seems different. I'm not going to toss around suspicions, and I think I am probably going to stick with LD until something better comes up (ex: Blah's idea last night, I like stats). I'm sorry for being such a big distraction with my contrary to popular belief thinking, "ridic" information and ideas, and I should be shunned for even trying to play, as it makes me suspicious.

Now, I'm not saying I am pigheaded about LD. I do listen to others ideas, I'm not going on a psychotic hardcore warpath to get him lynched, but he is the best I have right now in my mind, come up with something better that I agree with, and I may go with it. I need you people to give me a chance to be logical, I always day within the first days. No, I'm not pleading for life, I just want an oppurtunity before I am dubbed TWG idiot.

I don't know if I even want to look or try and cite evidence on anyone, because I doubt anyone will listen.

So, for now, in relation to my first post, and personal feelings, I think LD is a wolf.

[Tasselfoot]

Afro: I took it to be a retarded PM, which is exactly what it was. I felt no need to reply to it in PM or in AIM, as it wasn't worth my trouble. And clearly, I wasn't going to post about it in the thread, because I'm sure you were doing it for a reason, and I didn't want that spoiled by posting about it in the thread.

Seriously... It wasn't worth my time to reply to it, and I'm pissed I'm being forced to reply to it now. It was quite possibly the single most retarded PM I've recieved in my entire life, and I've gotten some damn crazy ones as a mod. So use that as a reason to vote for me... its a hell of alot less valid as your reasoning last game, which at least is based on shit I did instead of lack of shit that I didn't do.

I'm sure I wasn't alone in that feeling. Its the same as the fags who go around on AIM with their "So, are you a wolf?"... the only answer you're going to get is "no." "fuck off." "lol... of course." or some other IQ decreasing answer. I remember a game blah asked me that, and I pretty much ignored it. He thought I was a wolf then because I ignored it. I was just lazy and knew the answer didn't matter to begin with. So, because of that, I at least always reply to that question when posed to me directly.

*shrugs* Its a sad state of affairs if THAT is what it takes for you to be able to vote me Afro. I swear... get off my god damn dick about 2 games ago. Its getting fucking old.

[Afrobean]

Ha! I PM'd you, not for you to say back "I'm not a wolf" but because I was hoping for a response like nick had given me. I was hoping for a response out of you and I didn't get one.

get off my god damn dick about 2 games ago

I'm not, dude. Think of last game. I WAS RIGHT. I called you on something you did and I was right, yet you said the same thing then. I don't care anymore, and in fact, I hardly even can think of why I'd be mad at you now. Fact of the matter is: I voted for you to see how you're respond to it, and I if I must say, you did a piss-poor job of it.

[Tasselfoot]

Estoy apesadumbrado que mis sensaciones no viven hasta sus expectativas.

[dAnceguy117]

uh k

I don't really know what to think of about the battling going on right now.. I honestly think it's just a big distraction. Not an intentional distraction set by a wolf or something, I just mean I don't think any good is coming of it.

My strongest suspicions still have to be Nforcer and LD. It's kind of weird.. like Tps and I are on the same wavelength or something.

Say, we've got less than 24 hours left. I'd say we'd better get voting. Mine's gonna be on Nforcer at least for now. I'd take some of his posts and try to scrounge up some reasoning for the weird vibe he's giving me but I don't have time right now. That'll have to come tomorrow after school. My vote may change by then if I have more to go on.

edit for bbcode lol

[Tasselfoot]

what the hell is that image??? I did NOT post that.

[dAnceguy117]

Christ, I was joking. Haha. I just meant "wtf your post is in Spanish and myself and likely the majority of the players in this game are too lazy to translate it if they don't know what it means already so why post it".

[evilbutterfly]

I'm sad that my sensations don't live up to your expectations? I'm not sure if "sad" and "sensations" are right, since I'm not familiar with those words and freetranslation.com is unreliable, but still, wtf are you talking about Tass? I haven't felt too good about you this whole game, and you're not helping your case at all. You've said you're a bad wolf, and Chris^2 seem to be riding you pretty hard and you're not doing too well. Admit it, dude, you have been acting out of character. Yeah, maybe that's because I'm the alliance leader and I'm not letting you in on things and you think it's because I hate you (which I kinda do, but that's not why you aren't involved. I'm not letting anybody know anything :P), but still. You've been off all game.

Now, for something that has just come to my attention:

When Afro did that whole "NOOOOO HANS IS MY BUTT BUDDY!" thing, blah IMed and yelled at him for revealing his partner. Now let's think back a lil bit and remember that blah was all gung-ho about us all revealing ourselves. First he didn't reveal himself on the forums or to me, then he yells at Afro for going public with his partner to save him.

Why the hell would he do that? Please, somebody tell me. I'm confused about what this means for blah....

[HansSky]

"I am grieved that my sensations do not live until their expectations."

Babel Fish translation. I took some Spanish, and it looks pretty close. Regardless, it doesn't seem important.