TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

A big thing nobody's realizing is that I'm literally in the exact same position that Phoenix Wright finds himself in in every single case. It's the pivotal moment, the odds are stacked against him, nobody believes him, and it doesn't seem like there's any hope of proving his client's innocence...but then there's a big dramatic turnaround and everything works out!

damn, I'd say if you're town you're more in the position of one of his clients
you're asking for people to believe in you and I don't think you're reaching many people (I'm trying to believe)

Who is to say you're not Matt Engarde, btw?

(spoilers if you haven't played the 2nd game I guess oops)

[fatfuck42]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

Usually, at least if my memory serves me, Phoenix Wright isn't a murderous psychopath who kills all my friends!

Also you've got no evidence except your word, you are not an attorney, there is no pursuit music, and the only thing you have is the potential ability to laugh and say "I TOLD YA SO" if you actually flip green.

Honestly, if I get mislynched here I'm going to feel more guilty than anything else. I feel like there HAS to be at least ONE way I could defend myself here and get everyone to realize the truth, but I just can't figure it out, and it sucks. The only bright side is that I'll hopefully get some advice that'll help me improve as a player and avoid these situations in the future.

[fatfuck42]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

damn, I'd say if you're town you're more in the position of one of his clients
you're asking for people to believe in you and I don't think you're reaching many people (I'm trying to believe)

Who is to say you're not Matt Engarde, btw?

(spoilers if you haven't played the 2nd game I guess oops)

I wish I was one of his clients, because I'd love to have someone like Phoenix arguing on my behalf right now...

(don't worry, I've played!)

[fatfuck42]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

I actually want to wolf read T-Force because I know I've been wrong about everything all game long

So if I town read you... maybe this will actually work like some strange ass voodoo magic

Shadow, if you townread me, you'll be able to hear the cheers from deadchat all the way here in the thread.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

for me, fatfuck, it'd help most if you could talk about your top wolf, which I understand to be T-Force

I really don't think he is a wolf that posted about being emotional following the Subaru flip, its just not something a lot of wolves do (though I think when Shadow rolls wolf again, we might see it perhaps)

can you talk to me about why you think he's a wolf again?

I didn't much care for the fact that you thought it was suspicious that he didn't remember you as a scumread of mine

[fatfuck42]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

I have to go cook and then eat supper, be back in a lil bit.

[fatfuck42]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

for me, fatfuck, it'd help most if you could talk about your top wolf, which I understand to be T-Force

I really don't think he is a wolf that posted about being emotional following the Subaru flip, its just not something a lot of wolves do (though I think when Shadow rolls wolf again, we might see it perhaps)

can you talk to me about why you think he's a wolf again?

I didn't much care for the fact that you thought it was suspicious that he didn't remember you as a scumread of mine

I'll respond to this when I'm back, but before that, could you please link me the post where he gets emotional over the subaru flip? I don't remember that.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

I'm still pissed that Plop never got enough traction yesterday, and Subaru's flip had me stressed to the point that I snapped on a couple people last night, so that's cool. Sunfan also climbed up based on his flip-flops last night.
Plus, as a wolf, Sunfan never busses and as soon as he voted Subaru, that sealed it in my mind that Sunfan and Subaru were never town together.

it was the beginning of this post
its really not much, but like
I've kind of decided that its very significant here

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

Honestly, if I get mislynched here I'm going to feel more guilty than anything else. I feel like there HAS to be at least ONE way I could defend myself here and get everyone to realize the truth, but I just can't figure it out, and it sucks. The only bright side is that I'll hopefully get some advice that'll help me improve as a player and avoid these situations in the future.

I'm not much of one for staying humble outwardly, but inwardly, I'd say that I know a lot less about the game than people might expect me to be comfortable admitting

I think rather highly of your game, and I know you don't really peacock around with an elaborate train, but this post seems to jutted out compared to what I think you ought to be thinking of yourself.

Not because (if you're town) you should never be mislynched or something like that because you really seem like you're at a loss, and even when the shit continuously and unrelentingly hit the fan in the Animal Crossing game, you really seemed like you at least knew what to do next.

I think you would agree that you defense has been unconvincing, but why? What's different about this position in this game that's left you at such a loss as town?

[Shadow_God_10]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

Shadow, if you townread me, you'll be able to hear the cheers from deadchat all the way here in the thread.

The only thing I hear in deadchat is Haku screaming in his coffin

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

The only thing I hear in deadchat is Haku screaming in his coffin

I imagine Haku thinks in French
I don't know this, but I think its t

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

posted too soon
if you don't use your mouth in death, all of his death-thoughts would be in French
you know any French lewdy?

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

well, anyways, the punchline was going to be "even if you did, Haku's train of thought would make much sense"
but I've decided to give up on it

[Shadow_God_10]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

posted too soon
if you don't use your mouth in death, all of his death-thoughts would be in French
you know any French lewdy?

I know very LITTLE French, not enough to hold a conversation though

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

I'm not much of one for staying humble outwardly, but inwardly, I'd say that I know a lot less about the game than people might expect me to be comfortable admitting

I think rather highly of your game, and I know you don't really peacock around with an elaborate train, but this post seems to jutted out compared to what I think you ought to be thinking of yourself.

Not because (if you're town) you should never be mislynched or something like that because you really seem like you're at a loss, and even when the shit continuously and unrelentingly hit the fan in the Animal Crossing game, you really seemed like you at least knew what to do next.

I think you would agree that you defense has been unconvincing, but why? What's different about this position in this game that's left you at such a loss as town?

I'm really not that good at solving on average, which is why I took the approach I did this phase. By approaching Plop's play from like 5 different angles, I've hopefully minimized risk, because any singular observation isn't holding up the Jenga Tower by itself.

At the end of the day, the closest we have to "objective truth" is that Plopadop is the one person who most people have ascribed some wolf equity to. I trust FG a lot as a player and she wanted him gone. Raeko wants him gone. Xiz was weirded out by him.

A wagon formed around him yesterday but it almost completely dissolved and shifted to the Subaru, a confirmed town.

Furthermore, Plop has been "too correct" this game, if that makes sense. There are traces of TMI in his posting history. I really stand by my read about his response to Ulli's mechanics post. Most people would naturally have some concern about her post. Plop even acknowledges the reason WHY people would have concern with it. But instead of giving the "natural response"--- not even a scumlean, but showing SOME sort of trepidation--- Plop's townread on her ends up becoming convoluted and unintuitive.

As I said, "oh, this post is too wolfy to come from a wolf, so she has to be town!" is not a thing most players would immediately settle on.

Giving Ulli a town read like this DOES give the wolf team a strategic advantage. It allows the wolves to split their votes and not pile onto a single wagon. It superficially makes Plop look like he's trying to solve the game. But in this one case, the reality is that him bending over backwards to play the role of "town contrarian" does indeed look like contortionism.

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It's not just one thing that stands out to me about Plop. I think lynching him here is the mechanically correct play, even based solely on the wishes of the dead. I shot Ulli in the night because that was the mechanically correct play. If I had another vigi shot I would undoubtedly shoot Plop here because of the same feeling.

It's too hard to exclude him from PoE, and he is highly compatible with several other members of the scum pool. He is, in a sense, the lowest common denominator lynch today. And I understand that Freezin and sunfan really, really want each other dead, but I'm not really in the mood to risk it and put the cart before the horse.