TWG CXXII - Welcome to Disboard~

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Anyhow, onto the topic of the kill: There are two that I would believe that they would make a kill on V. Those would be Fiction and Viccica. I am completely unsure if Charu would kill V.

What are you basing this off of? You haven't played with Vic IIRC except for one game where she was inactive.

The V kill doesn't look like a Fic kill at all. Fiction would have killed DBP. Killing a blue > killing a loud green.

V either died because the wolves were aware that he's a good veteran player and he can push through a lynch, or they were trying to make a "good player kill" to cover for DBP being a wolf and not dying in the night.

I don't know which side of that fence I'm on yet. I'd like DBP to start speaking up.

[James May]

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What are you basing this off of? You haven't played with Vic IIRC except for one game where she was inactive.

The V kill doesn't look like a Fic kill at all. Fiction would have killed DBP. Killing a blue > killing a loud green.

V either died because the wolves were aware that he's a good veteran player and he can push through a lynch, or they were trying to make a "good player kill" to cover for DBP being a wolf and not dying in the night.

I don't know which side of that fence I'm on yet. I'd like DBP to start speaking up.

Well, through POE. And I played with Vic on that one jtwig that was the revive of twig, a few others including the arson game and that ine C9++ game that she voted for me out of spite.

[Red Blaster]

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or they were trying to make a "good player kill" to cover for DBP being a wolf and not dying in the night.

This is what I was thinking.
Killing V was extremely logical.The wolfs no longer have to worry about being under his microscope at all times, while we sit here and spin our wheels on DBP's claim. Also add the fact that he could actually be cop and they just left him alive due to there only being a 30% chance he hits on a wolf opposed to the 70% of him hitting human.

I wouldn't be opposed to letting him live one more night, but after that if he's alive it's gotta be 100% lynch next day. In the same breath, I also wouldn't mind him being lynched. Out of all the potential wolf candidates, he picks me (who had been listed on a few peoples, James, V, Jrodd and Fic, town list at that point) to investigate? That seems like a wasted opportunity to me.

[DaBackpack]

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well the last part isn't true, but if alive he almost certainly has to die. having a claimed seer (uncc'd) in a game where they aren't even confirmed alive at must lynch is a nightmare, believe me, especially since they claimed day 1

Basically if the seer lives again we're forced to lynch him. There's just no ways wolves would let it happen, cause it grows the human pool the more chances he gets to reveal results. Tomorrow would move it largely towards our favor assuming manti is a wolf(i do) if he gets to reveal another human.

no, we're not killing him unless he survives. you missed the point of my post.

Alright. But only if he doesn't die.

unvote

That said, I'll look through to see who else should be looked at...

I just skimmed through the thread and pulled out some quotes from D0 and D1

I'm thinking this mindset is why I'm still alive, especially since they suspected that I would seer James May and thus not have any useful information (assuming he's green, which I am for the moment)

like think of it this way, if the wolves only have control of one kill per day. I feel like they tried to force a lynch on me by keeping me alive in order to gain control of a second kill (the lynch phase) if they were at "no risk" since they thought I'd seer James.

obviously this is just speculation but it's really the only reason I can think of of why competent wolves would do that

[DaBackpack]

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and I'm assuming the wolves are competent for obvious reasons

[DaBackpack]

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I'd also like a detailed explanation as you why you chose who you chose to seer, Backpack.

well it's kind of stupid, I mean honestly I wasn't expecting to make it to today

I actually thought that James May was a wolf after the Plop flip, I asked a question about this yesterday which was completely ignored, but given how the night played out I've changed my mind about him

and after that, I just picked someone I was suspicious of and interrogated a bit, Red Blaster, I don't think I had any other reason for that (I don't know how people are saying "everyone thought he was green yesterday", that seems more like 20/20 hindsight)

[DaBackpack]

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anyway

if (big if) you subscribe to my theory, then that would suggest a few things

James May is green

the wolves probably still want to carry out the lynch on me still so they are still in control of today's lynch. however, the stakes are not as high, since they can just kill me tonight. but lynching me prevents a lynch on a red so that helps them

[DarkManticoreX2]

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I actually thought that James May was a wolf after the Plop flip, I asked a question about this yesterday which was completely ignored, but given how the night played out I've changed my mind about him

and after that, I just picked someone I was suspicious of and interrogated a bit, Red Blaster, I don't think I had any other reason for that (I don't know how people are saying "everyone thought he was green yesterday", that seems more like 20/20 hindsight)

Considerng there was no night talking, what do you mean "how the night played out made you change your mind on [james may]"

Just the fact that you survived made you change you mind? Seems like a pretty poor reason to me.

[DaBackpack]

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Considerng there was no night talking, what do you mean "how the night played out made you change your mind on [james may]"

Just the fact that you survived made you change you mind? Seems like a pretty poor reason to me.

The fact that the wolves let me live even after I was "supposed" to seer James May suggests they didn't see me as a threat.

And then the fact that I thought James May was suspicious didn't make sense after I thought about it:

well between Plop and James May, I thought that a flip would give us info about the other

but actually I think I was wrong about that, or rather it was imprecise

I'm gonna have to check how James May interacted with plop also

like a flip on james may would tell us about plop I think, but idk if the flip on Plop tells us about James May

Otherwise, that's all I have about him

[Red Blaster]

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after that, I just picked someone I was suspicious of and interrogated a bit, Red Blaster, I don't think I had any other reason for that (I don't know how people are saying "everyone thought he was green yesterday", that seems more like 20/20 hindsight)

As there is a ton of multi-quoting going on in this post, I'll spoiler it all.
This is every quote referencing me being green, or at least on a no lynch list, from the time you claimed to the lynch of Pop.

i'm high-strung because classes tomorrow and a ton of projects to coplete, I should have known that this might be a problem, and the psycho post tipped me over

i'm tired of arguing like this, i'm a cop, just let me die at night now

James May in case I'm not back

Red I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to today because he's new to this and the self-righteousness in his posts reminds me of somebody who doesn't get that it's not enough to know that you yourself are a villager but that you have to demonstrate it to the rest of the players as well.

So, putting Red aside for now I'd like to lynch out of psycho, manti, or james. Out of the three I'd rather see James go since he's had the most interactions with others out of the three and the way that he apologized for his posts to jrodd without acknowledging why they were stupid or trying to defend against the suspicions and accusations against him strikes me as him trying to please the masses rather than thinking and reflecting on his play. There's no confidence, and he keeps unvoting after making any sort of push. It's hard to find a reason for James the townie to act so skittish, but not so much for James the wolf.

I'll expand more later but I don't want to lynch any of the following people (reiterating)
V
Fic (still ehhh)
James
New Guy
DBP
j-rodd is back to ehhhhh, I'm probably paying more attention to him than I should. Might clear Kayla for today as well but its not looking good so far.

In that quote I'd be the "New Guy"

People I will lynch
Plopadop
Psychoangel
Charu

People who are no longer villa leans and I am starting to feel comfortable lunching
Fiction
Jrodd

People I probs wouldn't lynch
James may
Manti
Red blaster

People jury is out on
The sunfan
I think there's another player too

Oh hey, I guess it's 5.5 hours or somethin' until day ends.

Uuuuuummmmm...

I don't think James or Red Blaster are wolves. They're my strongest human leans. Definitely of course leaving backpack alone until something crazy happens.

I could argue that Red would be close to James in terms of the information that his flip would give, but like I said in an earlier post I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for being a new player, at least for this phase.

Red Blaster is a bro. unvote

I know I got on red blaster a little bit but I'm neutral on him, I was missing some context

So yeah..having gone back through all of that, I feel like your choice to investigate me was a utter waste. 6/12 including yourself at the time, had listed me as a non suspect.
Please explain how I became one after the fact?

[YoshL]

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@ Yoshl: Can the mafia traitor kill as well or is the role treated as a vanilla role and can't do anything at night?

Mafia traitor is able to kill only once the 2 other mafia are deceased. otherwise, they have no night abilities, and a 1-shot bulletproof. The 1-shot would go away if they were recruited

[DaBackpack]

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So yeah..having gone back through all of that, I feel like your choice to investigate me was a utter waste. 6/12 including yourself at the time, had listed me as a non suspect.
Please explain how I became one after the fact?

Well first of all, being on a no-lynch list does not mean they think you're green. hell just look at where I am now
It just means that that specific person thinks there are better targets for a D0 lynch. For instance, strong red leans.

(And for the record, I said "I was neutral on you". That is not a clear. There was evidence supporting both narratives.)

Let's leave out James May for now. If you were in my shoes, who would you pick to seer?

[Red Blaster]

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Well first of all, being on a no-lynch list does not mean they think you're green. hell just look at where I am now
It just means that that specific person thinks there are better targets for a D0 lynch. For instance, strong red leans.

(And for the record, I said "I was neutral on you". That is not a clear. There was evidence supporting both narratives.)

Let's leave out James May for now. If you were in my shoes, who would you pick to seer?

I'm not saying the opinions clear me, or prove I'm green, just saying that I feel your potential only seer was squandered on someone that the majority felt wasn't red. And you seriously would waste what could be your only seer on a "neutral" instead of someone you felt more of a red vibe from?

Your poor choice of seer makes it almost seem as though you are protecting the woofs.

If you're asking who I would've viewed then: Manti
After Pop's death Manti was my prime suspect as the instant I saw Pop was villa, my suspicions of V and Manti were raised due to what looked like in hindsight a wolfy tunnel on Pop.

[dAnceguy117]

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Red Blaster: at least one of those things you quoted was a "pass for now," mine was a joke as I had read basically nothing up to that point, and one of those was from Backpack. I don't think there was a consensus to clear you by any means.

I'm giving the Backpack claim a pretty good chance of being real and wouldn't lynch there today.

[dAnceguy117]

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No Fiction lynch today huh? Time to shift gears.

Well I have nothing to give you with 20 minutes left. Lynch me or don't. What's the reason for your hesitation?

Because I'm not entirely convinced there's a red here. I really am not.

And it sucks, because your entrance and mention of the two is making me think that this could be possibility two villagers.

Charu for weird lack of progression and unwillingness to push d1. After soft defending the two lead wagons, you were reluctant to lynch me, yet today you're still referring to me as being wolfy based on the same read you had d1. Only new thing you've said since is it's sketchy that Backpack is still alive. Not gonna lynch him today though. Might lynch you.