jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

[Little Bear]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

The reason I brought it up was because if I was a seer/coroner I wouldn't have claimed.

[j-rodd123]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

Lolwut manti? Well that means two things to me. Manti and his plan wasn't as full proof as he claimed it to be or he could have had his team kill him to keep suspicion off of whom ever but with activity at a premium, it could be any number of people that are wolves. If we work under the assumption that we did lynch a wolf, then we only have two less. The blues need to stay together and I hope for our sake that manti had a contingency plan in place for such things. Wouldn't be like him if he didn't. If they don't have a back up plan in place, they need to find someone they can trust. If you hit a wolf in your seering, find a way to get it to us, if you hit a human, figure out if you are willing to trust them to be the voice of the alliance now.

Yes I asked him the other night if he even introduced the blues to each other, and he said he was waiting on the coroners report to do that. So hopefully he ended up setting up that alliance since I didn't get a chance to follow up on that question

[rzr]

Lolwut manti? Well that means two things to me. Manti and his plan wasn't as full proof as he claimed it to be or he could have had his team kill him to keep suspicion off of whom ever but with activity at a premium, it could be any number of people that are wolves. If we work under the assumption that we did lynch a wolf, then we only have two less. The blues need to stay together and I hope for our sake that manti had a contingency plan in place for such things. Wouldn't be like him if he didn't. If they don't have a back up plan in place, they need to find someone they can trust. If you hit a wolf in your seering, find a way to get it to us, if you hit a human, figure out if you are willing to trust them to be the voice of the alliance now.

on this note I'm gonna assume now that manti was right so whatever seer seered me, as long as this all really went down come out, unless the coroner sees that dance was a wolf. then when you do seer another wolf or some shit tell me, ill be the martyr now lol


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[Gun92]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

Tell me something rzr. Why did manti say that both you and he were immune to wolfings? Sounds to me like you guys had some contact about something. Unless it was going purely on that manti was green and so were you so be figured they wouldn't bother with confirmed greens, even tho you both need to die, along with all the humans for them to win the game, so I don't quite get the logic here I suppose. Enlighten me please.

[j-rodd123]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

the only logic i saw behind manti's post was that according to him, he and rzr were confirmed greens so maybe the wolves would try to go for a blue, which would've made more sense.

[j-rodd123]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

I really don't think there was anything else to his post

[Gun92]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

I figured as much. I'm just hoping at this juncture that manti gave them some form of instruction in the event this happened. I can't shake the feeling that manti thought he knew something else that he thought would prevent him from being killed. He is too smart to sit here and think that he wouldn't die just because he was as confirmed a green as anyone else at that point. He was the head of the alliance, how could he not expect to not be attacked and killed.

[Krauthammer]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

Story for Day 1 added.

[rzr]

I had no communication with manti outside the thread, gun, if that helps


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[Gun92]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

Then do you have any additional insight as to why he might have claimed you guys to be unwolfable?

[Little Bear]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

If Manti was a wolf and wolfed himself he may have done so to try encourage a seer/coroner to come out.


If you're a seer/coroner and didn't go to Manti or have no idea whatsoever who your partners are, come to me and I'll help you!

[Little Bear]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

And in the end it was infact Manti that picked the seer to lynch.

[Gun92]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

Manti let us come to the conclusion ourselves. We chose to lynch dance. It's that simple. I also don't think the blues need to come out at all unless something needs corrected in the thread or they hit a wolf. Otherwise, there is no reason for them to put themselves in harms way. Who ever they chose to seer is who they should figure out if they can trust. They shouldn't be runnin out to people with out thinking. Them being annonomas is their best weapon right now. Unless they have valuable, game changing info like they got a wolf, dance wasn't a wolf or manti was something else, they should stay back

[James May]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

Tell me Little Bear, did you and danceguy ever talked before he died on Day 1? Because if you think about it, throughout Day 1, YOU and HIM were viewing the thread together. And the matter of fact is that you were one of the few who pushed for an insta-lynch. On another note, your behaviour have been rather strange. Perhaps danceguy told you to vote for him to possibly eliminate any suspicions that you were a wolf? Tell me then, how can you guys be so sure that Manti was a red? Because I can say this, and I am saying this out of common sense and logic, danceguy was red and Manti was one of the seers. And I know that because the behaviour that danceguy was putting out when Manti figured out that he was a phony. Also, the way that manti had posted so far in the game has never given off such a slight hint of wolf.

I am certain that you are a wolf LB.

So following this: danceguy would pretty much be confirmed red. cedolad died on n1 so that pretty much chalked him up as a green. And then we have Manti who was wolf'd because of maybe a wolf seer or that somebody had noticed that Manti had spotted danceguy trying to get into his alliance so that he could seep off whatever info the alliance Manti had assembled to the wolves. And as such, he told you to vote for him as a last-minute plan in case he was going to get insta'd.

Now then, there's a reason to as why the Coroner & the other seer haven't revealed themselves to the public yet, that is because they don't want to be risking themselves to be wolf'd on the night phases. They want to keep it in the dark and be alligned to each other because there's only one possible solution: The real seer has seer'd the Coroner and both of them role claimed to each other and kept it tight-knit with Manti. Now, I'm talking with Bynary now and this is interesting to say the least:

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:45:18 PM] Bynary Fission:
But I guess it's not too surprising since he did make himself a target by openly forming an alliance with the blues

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:47:03 PM] Bob Barker: Look, I am going to be honest here, I think that Little Bear's one of the wolves. Pete's a wolf for sure because if you think about it, he pointed out the Coroner said that the real seer haven't revealed himself correct?
[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:47:19 PM] Bynary Fission:
actually, I share your thoughts

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:47:30 PM] Bynary Fission:
the thing is

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:47:40 PM] Bynary Fission:
Little Bear mentioned that Manti has spoken to him personally

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:47:53 PM] Bynary Fission:
so he was one of the people Manti contacted (or he contacted, but either way)

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:48:01 PM] Bynary Fission:
The next day, Manti ends up dead

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:48:07 PM] Bynary Fission:
And now, he is asking all of the seers to come to him

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:48:13 PM] Bynary Fission:
And reveal their identities to him

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:48:19 PM] Bynary Fission:
That is very suspicious if you ask me

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[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:49:36 PM] Bynary Fission:
Lemme review some of Little Bear's earlier posts, because I know he has asked this before

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:49:44 PM] Bynary Fission:
So before you post I'll get some of his quotes

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:50:35 PM] Bynary Fission:
okay, post 194

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:50:44 PM] Bynary Fission:
he asks twice for blues to claim to him

[Sun Mar 10 2013 08:51:29 PM] Bynary Fission:
So he's insistent upon it

So in a nutshell, it does make it a plausible theory that you are a wolf, wolf'd Manti because there was a possibility that he was a Blue and the fact that you're insistent on the other blues to reveal themselves to you, making them easy targets and thus, screwing over the greens and giving the wolves another easy victory.

So guys, instead of us being suspicious on Manti, why don't we question LB on why he's being insistent on wanting the blues to come to him? What's his reasoning and motif behind it? I hope you have an answer soon LB.

[Bynary Fission]

Re: jTWG LXIII. Good Morning Benjamin

I gotta say, midigami has a pretty convincing hypothesis going - Danceguy was already shown to be a wolf, and since the two non-assassin wolves are aware of each other, it stands to reason that they would work together from the beginning. Furthermore, it stands to reason that LB would make few, if any substantive responses outside of asking the blues to reveal himself to them - it helps keep him under the radar and avoiding suspicion.

Remember - the Assassin Wolf doesn't know who his partners are, so it's almost certain that danceguy and LB would be the non-assassin wolves (save for the very slim chance that the wolf seer found the assassin wolf on the first night - but that is unlikely so I am going to assume otherwise). So of course, this would mean that the wolf seer would be among them (danceguy was proven to be the bogus seer earlier, so this almost certainly makes LB the wolf seer). Furthermore, as was mentioned by Manti, a wolf seer would have to be suicidal to risk coming out to Manti and BSing their way into convincing the others that they were not the wolf. Midigami proposed that danceguy would have been the fall guy in case things went bad - this makes sense, especially if LB is the wolf seer amongst the two, since the wolves would be harmed substantially more by the loss of a wolf seer rather than an ordinary wolf.

I'll wait for the others to give their input (and for Little Bear to give a response), but I'm leaning towards lynching LB.