TWG CV SIGNUPS: Christmas in the Clink

[FoJaR]

Re: TWG CV SIGNUPS: Christmas in the Clink

yeah but fouling is very physical, not talking about some things is very hard to do in a game that expects you to do just that. When you set those sort of parameters you also affect how people think. You might have someone who writes something contrived because they have to work around something that, had it not been banned, would have communicated an idea better. That is frustrating because I am being controlled and that, I think, is against the spirit of TWG although it is in the spirit of this specific game.

TWG is like poker where revealing your cards to be a jackass would ruin someone else's bluff - but it seems that in this game revealing your cards would ruin the game. And that's just not great design afaic

no, you're completely allowed to interrogate people about why they made their choices in the dilemma, you're just not allowed to go "everyone do this and humans win GG"

there's a huge difference.

[FoJaR]

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Also Foj I think TWG signups threads are one of the few places where Afrobean being nitpicky as hell actually makes sense as he's generating discussion and potentially finding flaws/etc in the game. just saying.

he wasnt finding flaws in the game. his post made it so that he would not have been able to post in the thread, by the rules.

he was just being a dick.

[FoJaR]

Re: TWG CV SIGNUPS: Christmas in the Clink

I completely agree with this post. I think Afro's post was fair (even though it was written in the most infuriatingly-Afrobean style possible). Not being allowed to talk about meta is an interesting mechanic for sure, but it's also insanely limiting and I'm guessing it will be pretty difficult for players to communicate their ideas correctly without it.

I think this game will be good either way don't get me wrong. But I think if meta discussion were allowed we could have a CRAZY high activity game, I think limiting the amount of topics people can post about with also limit the number of posts.

it's not, all you're not allowed to do is come up with strats that revolve around predetermined choices in the dilemma, that's it.

[FoJaR]

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i mean i really dont understand why this is so difficult! dont try to break the game, anything else you want to talk about is fine

[cedolad]

Re: TWG CV SIGNUPS: Christmas in the Clink

Regardless if he's finding flaws or "being a dick" (haven't paid too much attention to the discussion), but discussions like this should have really be done before the game sign ups were posted. Honestly I'm tired of walking into a sign up thread, and reading 20 some posts about game mechanics. If there's a problem with a game, discuss and fix it before sign ups. It's really discouraging watching people bitch and moan about mechanics and setups.

[FoJaR]

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oh no, this was all resolved beforehand, i clearly set something off limits and afro crossed the line for whatever reason.

[cedolad]

Re: TWG CV SIGNUPS: Christmas in the Clink

It's really discouraging watching people bitch and moan

for further emphasis

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

Re: TWG CV SIGNUPS: Christmas in the Clink

it's not, all you're not allowed to do is come up with strats that revolve around predetermined choices in the dilemma, that's it.

So I could say "Depending on your level of suspicion, you should do x/y in the dilemma" and because I wasn't naming anybody or even referencing a universally constant thing (different people have different suspects), it would be allowed?

[mellonxcollie]

Re: TWG CV SIGNUPS: Christmas in the Clink

I think this is why BDN was pushing for a new system for host/signup threads. We didn't really have time to do this before.

[cedolad]

Re: TWG CV SIGNUPS: Christmas in the Clink

oh no, this was all resolved beforehand, i clearly set something off limits and afro crossed the line for whatever reason.

Understandable. My point in case being, aspects of a game that could potentially "break" the game, or game breaking strats or whatever, shouldn't be discussed in the sign up thread.

[FictionJunction]

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no, you're completely allowed to interrogate people about why they made their choices in the dilemma, you're just not allowed to go "everyone do this and humans win GG"

there's a huge difference.

then make a game that doesn't encourage that.

I just don't want to feel perpetually blueballed in order to make a fantasy game come true.

You're asking people to walk across 45 miles when they could easily climb a fence and get to the same place. At that point the experience of your 45 mile walk ceases to matter.

[FoJaR]

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does it break the game? no. it's fine.

[FoJaR]

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then make a game that doesn't encourage that.

I just don't want to feel perpetually blueballed in order to make a fantasy game come true.

You're asking people to walk across 45 miles when they could easily climb a fence and get to the same place. At that point the experience of your 45 mile walk ceases to matter.

or you could just not try to actively break the game?

[FoJaR]

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Understandable. My point in case being, aspects of a game that could potentially "break" the game, or game breaking strats or whatever, shouldn't be discussed in the sign up thread.

yeah, you're right. talk to afrobean.

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG CV SIGNUPS: Christmas in the Clink

don't make a game that has flaws.