TWG LXI: Back to our Roots

[flawofhumanity]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

I advocate the tried and true scenario that jwc proposed.

(I would like to assume from this point on I'm wasting my breath, but who knows)

The seer should come out. If only one seer comes out during the night, the guard should guard the seer. If two seers come out, we lynch them both (a wolf for a blue). The most important thing, and the thing that leads to **** going awry most often is not lynching both seers. What I mean is, I don't trust me, you, or any other players to make a judgment call on which seer is real (provided there is 2), and if we decide to and pick the wrong person, it's a guaranteed loss. The moral of the story is, if there are 2 seers we have to remain neutral and completely discount what both of them say.

Ideally, only 1 seer will come out and we won't have to worry about it.

That's just my two cents, and I leave you with the obligatory not seer

[Makilaz]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

Also not seer. Go with flaw's plan; it's worked beautifully in the past, so no reason why it shouldn't this time.

[rzr]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

If there's two seers or even if not I don't think we should have guardian come out. If there's two it's risky too NOT lynch them both given that seer A could be a wolf and e lynch seer B (human). So if the guard stays in the closet and we lynch both seers then the guardian can still guard random lives and we may get lucky and the wolves will attack that person proving the guard alive at the time and the humanity of that person.

[Litodude]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

The seer should come out. If only one seer comes out during the night, the guard should guard the seer. If two seers come out, we lynch them both (a wolf for a blue). The most important thing, and the thing that leads to **** going awry most often is not lynching both seers. What I mean is, I don't trust me, you, or any other players to make a judgment call on which seer is real (provided there is 2), and if we decide to and pick the wrong person, it's a guaranteed loss. The moral of the story is, if there are 2 seers we have to remain neutral and completely discount what both of them say.

If the seer does comes out during the day (hoping that the random wolf kill of Night 1 didn't accidentally kill the seer) everything should go smoothly: seer tells readings, guardian guards, etc. If, by chance, two seers come out during the day then we have a problem. Both parties would tell misleading seerings and cause -somewhat- of a confusion on who to trust. We can deduce on who real/who's fake later in that scenario, and as you said completely discount what both of them have to say.

Now if the seer comes out during Night 1, we have a bit of a problem. If there's only one seer coming out tonight, that leaves a small possibility for inactivity on the real seer, but this also means that the claimed seer is true. But if -two- seers come out we have a problem. One of the players is obviously a wolf and the other is the true seer. This give the wolf an upperhand already knowing one of the blue roles. It would be up to the guardian to decide on whom he wants to guard. If guarded wrong, the wolves pretty much have it in the bag (assuming the wolves are good at their role); if guarded right there's still a problem: the guardian will not be able to safely say that "I guarded player A, player B is a wolf" because then the guardian is exposed.

In order to -somewhat- prove the seer was successfully guarded, assuming that s/he was, a conversation between the two parties would have to be made while the name of the guardian's SN censored out. This scenario can also be flawed if a censored conversation with a FAKE GUARDIAN were created.

Benefits of the seer coming out AFTER the Night phase outweighs the benefits if the seer were to come out right now. The probably of wolves successfully killing the seer, randomly, is 1/16. The probability of the Guardian correctly choosing the right seer to guard, randomly after two seers came out, is 1/2. I like the first choice odds better. We can assume that - if a supposed seer were to come out right now - that person is a wolf.

Obligatory not seer. DUH



I'm not sure if the wolves will risk the possibility of losing a wolf or killing the seer, if they proposed to come out as a fake seer.

Lito, at school instead of AIM, use gmail and add your AIM username for chat or whatever it is.

I was just kidding and showing my distaste to my newly received role which a loathe so much.

[Litodude]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

I'm not sure if the wolves will risk the possibility of losing a wolf or killing the seer, if they proposed to come out as a fake seer.

This was supposed to go somewhere in one of the paragraphs. I forgot to put it in there.

[dooey100]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

Possible exploit involving the names? Based on the assumption that everyone who had the same role kept their name, and everyone who changed roles traded names with whoever they changed with, then if everyone posts their names, we can just have the people who were wolves last game tell us what they had, and whoever has that now is a wolf. If the wolves try to use their names from last game, we have 2 people with the same name, and one would be a wolf.

I know its not really how the game was meant to be played, but it should work.

Unless someone was a wolf both games.

Or that isn't how the names work.

But whatever.

Good|Bad iDea?

[rzr]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

So is it agreed that the guardian should NOT come out? And there's one problem with that, dooey, we can't share our host PMs. If we can, let me know I'll be the first to post my name (it's so awesome! Someone tell Synth to change mine to it). So, can we?

[Litodude]

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dooey, are you referring to my post using a rhetorical question, or is this your own argument?

[Litodude]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

Possible exploit involving the names? Based on the assumption that everyone who had the same role kept their name, and everyone who changed roles traded names with whoever they changed with, then if everyone posts their names, we can just have the people who were wolves last game tell us what they had, and whoever has that now is a wolf. If the wolves try to use their names from last game, we have 2 people with the same name, and one would be a wolf.

Each name is unique to each player. You should still have "your" name but in different colors. There is no exploit. A re-roll took place, and each player has a randomized role. You're just lucky (or unlucky) if you received the same role. For example: my name is "Leto" and was half-red half-green when I had my first role, indicating I was MW, but then change to a full green indicating my human role.

[dooey100]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

dooey, are you referring to my post using a rhetorical question, or is this your own argument?

Not talking about your post.

[meno_rocks123]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

@lito: I meant rzr but typed your name for some reason.

[meno_rocks123]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

So is it agreed that the guardian should NOT come out? And there's one problem with that, dooey, we can't share our host PMs. If we can, let me know I'll be the first to post my name (it's so awesome! Someone tell Synth to change mine to it). So, can we?

Double post because it's quicker for my wii.
20 bucks says rzr is guard after reading ^^^post.

PS: My name is menno which seems to be short for mennonite.
And if you want your name changed, get modded and then bug synth or LD to no end until they do it.
Worked for Squeek

[rzr]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

Wait, what was his original name? And the name in my PM is so close to my name her it's just got vowels, lol. I was originally going to make it razor falcon but I decided that was too poser-ish so I just made it this.

[rzr]

Re: TWG LXI2: Back to our Roots

P.S. I'm pretty sure they're not looking for any new moderators, and if they were there are many more qualified individuals than myself.
P.P.S. Lol @ post scripts.

[rzr]

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Sorry for the triple post (thouhg they are within 5 hours of each other) but I'll be online for the next 2.5 hours (on a computer instead of my phone) so I'll be able to be reached easier.