TWG XIII - Dark Matters: Crow's Best (Game Over) [Archive]

Kilgamayan

03-24-2005, 11:05 PM

A far-off region of space lay perfectly still. Out of nowhere, Dark Matter zoomed by, with a Warp Star not far behind. As quickly as they appeared, the two objects vanished, and the emptiness became still once more.

Kirby sighed to himself. This chase had been going on for what seemed like hours. Dark Matter's persistence sure was annoying.

Space is a pretty big place, and suddenly Kirby realized he wasn't sure where he was. He looked around for some celestial body, and his eyes came to rest on a large blue planet. He recognized it instantly, and almost lost control of his Warp Star.

Corneria?? Good gravy, have I really traveled that far?

While realizing he was in the Lylat System was a shock, it instantly brought an idea to his head. He quickly scanned the surrounding area for the Great Fox. And what luck! There it was, idling in orbit above Corneria, and right his flight path.

It was time to bring out the big guns. Kirby concentrated and thought as loud as he could.

---

In in the main bridge of the Great Fox's cockpit, all was at peace until Krystal was jolted out of a half-nap by a mental alert.

"Guys, I'm detecting something out there in space! It's...Kirby!?"

The name brought Fox to attention as well. "Kirby? What the hell is he doing here?"

"Apparently he's chasing something...something evil."

"Well, what is it?"

As if in response, a loud bang was heard as Dark Matter ran into the head of the Great Fox, not particularly caring that it was there as long as it got out of the way.

"I'm guessing that's it!" Falco said.

ROB immediately got to work, and in a few seconds, had Dark Matter on scanner. "Sensors indicate presence of an entity of unknown energy composition. Entity is traveling at high speed and was likely the cause of the earlier collision."

"ROB, that thing is apparently called Dark Matter. Kirby wants us to shoot it since the Warp Star is weaponless."

Peppy took command. "ROB, you heard the lady. Open fire on that thing!"

The Great Fox locked onto Dark Matter, charged up its lasers, and let loose. The hit was direct, and Dark Matter exploded into many smaller pieces that were flung in all directions. The Great Fox was hit by a few, and Kirby himself was nicked by a piece while swerving out of the way of another one.

"Damage report, ROB!"

"Great Fox appears undamaged by all impacts."

"Well, good, guess that's all over with," Slippy said.

But Kirby didn't share the same sentiments, and let Krystal know it.

"No, it's not over yet. Those shardes were still partially sentient. Even worse, Dark Matter can possess other beings, and that will likely be its best course of action now that it is greatly weakened."

"We've still got them on scan, right? ROB, get to work on calculating the trajectories of those things and let us know what you come up with." Fox said.

"Affirmative." A few seconds later, ROB was finished. "Trajectory analyses complete. Display results and most likely candidates for targets."

The situation didn't look good.

Falco whistled. "Damn, they went all over the place! There's one heading over to Brinstar, several to Earth, one to the space region of this year's F-Zero Grand Prix..."

Fox looked grim. "Krystal, tell Kirby to dock that star of his here. It looks like we're going to visit some old friends."

---

After traveling to various planets, the Great Fox population boasted an increase of 13. There was much discussion before Fox quieted everyone down.

"Okay, everyone, looks like we have a good-sized crisis on our hands. You've already all been informed of the situation, so it sounds like we've got some cleaning up to do. Slippy, Peppy and ROB are going to need time to do some investigation into how to solve this matter, so I invite you all to stay the night."

Roy spoke up. "Sounds like detainment to me."

"Well, the last thing we want is this Dark Matter guy wandering around while we're sitting around unable to do anything, right?"

With that uneasy thought in everyone's minds, they went to bed.

---

DISCLAIMER: The story has no bearing on who has what role. Note how I oh so cleverly left open the possibility that Kirby/Fox/Falco got possessed just so people wouldn't go "well he was never touched so he must he human". Yeah, you like that, don't you?

I apologize that the PMs aren't custom like I said they'd be, but I have to get up in less than 6 hours and I have an Engineering Analysis exam today.

Flux has been approved, 3 votes to 2, so he will play.

lightdarkness (Yoshi) - lightdarkness42
nforcer06164 (Roy) - nforcer06164
blahblah18 (Fox) - mastr414
flypie743 (Captain Falcon) - flypie743
JurseyRider734 (Peach) - Xtrialan Derrorx
Lupin_the_Third (Donkey Kong) - LEGAT0Bluesummrs
HansSky (Falco) - NotSoFarOff
Tasselfoot (Bowser) - Tasselfoot
evilbutterfly (Kirby) - evilbutterfly87
Tps222 (Ganondorf) - Tps7910
alainbryden (Ness) - NEIGH006
flux_ (Dr. Mario) - iunh606t6
QreepyBORIS (Pikachu) - QreepyBoris
deltro300111 (Zelda) - IlIke2SuCKchEeSE
stretchypanda (Samus) - iikearitz
Kefit (Ice Climbers) - Kefit42

It is now Night 1. Requesting PMs from all whom I require them of.

Look at that, flypie, you could've been a central figure in the story, but no, you had to go and change to a bit character. :p

Kilgamayan

03-25-2005, 02:52 PM

Please note that I have come home for the weekend. If you wish to contact me over AIM, send a message to RabiEnRoll, because bjstrattonIM won't give you a response until Monday.

Kilgamayan

03-25-2005, 04:56 PM

The new day began, and 13 guests slowly gathered into the main bridge.

Ganondorf was first to notice that 13 wasn't 14. "Wait, where's Bowser? If I have to be dragged along on this stupid expedition, then so does he!"

"He probably forgot to get up this morning. I've had days like those before," Donkey Kong said.

Peppy was on the situation immediately. "ROB, scan this ship for Bowser's location."

"Scans indicate that target is no longer aboard this ship."

Everyone was shocked by this news. Fox came to his senses first. "What? How? Check last night's activity log, ROB!"

"Affirmative." A few moments of typing passed by, and the bombshell dropped.

"Log indicates use of air-lock system. Unknown sentient being was jettisoned from the ship. All space suits remain in the ship - proper protection was not used."

"..."

Zelda voiced everyone's thoughts. "Look like this Dark Matter is willing to kill others to survive this ordeal..."

"Krystal, can you run a telepathic scan on everyone? Maybe you can tell who's been infected."

"Sorry, Fox, I did that once already when everyone arrived. All 14 scans came up clean. Whatever this thing is, it can hide itself from me."

Panic swept the room. Who was infected? Who wasn't?

Peach offered a solution. "Well, if we can't figure out who's infected the easy way, why not do it by trial and error? Get rid of potentially infected people until we're sure they're all gone."

Falco was not happy with the plan. "Wait, you want us to kill MORE people? What are you, nuts?"

"How else can we ensure the threats are removed? If you've got a better plan, I'd like to hear it."

Peppy spoke up. "She's right, Falco. As much as I don't like it, this looks like the best course of action..."

---

It is now Day 1.

lightdarkness (Yoshi)
nforcer06164 (Roy)
blahblah18 (Fox)
flypie743 (Captain Falcon)
JurseyRider734 (Peach)
Lupin_the_Third (Donkey Kong)
HansSky (Falco)
evilbutterfly (Kirby)
Tps222 (Ganondorf)
alainbryden (Ness)
flux_ (Dr. Mario)
QreepyBORIS (Pikachu)
deltro300111 (Zelda)
stretchypanda (Samus)
Kefit (Ice Climbers)

Tasselfoot has been killed. 15 players left, 8 votes is an insta-lynch. You have 72 hours to vote.

By the way, Peach saying "trial and error" was not an intentional pun.

lightdarkness

03-25-2005, 05:03 PM

Holy shit.

alainbryden

03-25-2005, 05:08 PM

wtf

I can see two things wrong with this.

1) After what happened last week the best players should have been guarded first day.
2) After what happened last week the wolves should have assumed 1 and not even tried.

I can't decide whether it's more likely this was done by a player with alot of guts or someone who didn't think any further than their nose.

~Ness

flypie743

03-25-2005, 05:10 PM

Look at that, flypie, you could've been a central figure in the story, but no, you had to go and change to a bit character. :p

I couldn't betray CF. He is my favorite character.

EDIT: He is my best character, too :>

lightdarkness

03-25-2005, 05:13 PM

Jay: EB
Jay: ATTENTION
Neigh006: yeah...
Jay: I'M GOING OFF OF THE FIRST
Jay: LIST
Jay: OK?
evilbutterfly87: hahahaha
Jay: //roll-dice1-sides16
Jay: lightdarkness42 rolled 1 16-sided die: 8
Jursey: o_O
evilbutterfly87: me!
Flypie: *hopes 8 is LD*
evilbutterfly87: how ironic
Jay: lol
Jay: it's tass
Neigh006: hehe
HansSky: haha that's Tass, isn't it?
Jay: re rolling
Jursey: Yes it is XD
Jay: //roll-dice1-sides16
Jay: lightdarkness42 rolled 1 16-sided die: 11
Neigh006: omg
Neigh006: he rolled tass
Flypie: *hopes 11 is LD*
Jay: lol
Jay: it's neigh

Ness, you get YOSHI!'s random vote.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-25-2005, 05:28 PM

I suppose it was about time that the wolves got past that whole reverse psychology thing on wolfing the best player.

I have to disagree with you Alain, when you say they didn't think farther than their nose. There are 3 wolves, so it's safe to assume we have an experienced wolf "group". Obviously a veteran player isnt likely to be led by a newer player, so what the better/more experienced player says goes. This being said, it's likely that it was a good player who is willing to take a risk. This ought to narrow down the possibilities a small amount.

nforcer06164

03-25-2005, 05:40 PM

I don't completely agree, Lupin. Any player, veteran or newbie, could've seen Tass's recent first-day strategy: tell the seer to see him as soon as possible to confirm his humanity. Now, in TWG XII, when he used this strategy and was a wolf, it would've been wise for the seer to see him first, but unfortunately, the seer was bumped off night one. Tass, who we now know is human, could've given the wolves an extra day to kill others while the seer wasted a day on him, if he or she chose to buy into his strategy.

I don't quite think you are right in saying whoever it was had to be a better or more experienced player, but whoever did it was, indeed, taking a risk. However, I think the wolves may have made a small error in wolfing him when they could've let him lure the seer into using up one night, as he usually does.

evilbutterfly

03-25-2005, 05:41 PM

nforcer06164

03-25-2005, 05:48 PM

Lupin_the_3rd

03-25-2005, 06:01 PM

Also, anybody that may have caught onto the idea of wolfing Tass night 1 could easily use that information to frame one of you that had discussed it.

I don't think would be really practical to place a vote for that reason, making that idea of framing them not the brightest one. Doing so makes you look suspicious, not to mention the fact that no wolf will get a lynch on one of the more experienced players this early in the game without a hell of a lot of evidence.

blahblah18

03-25-2005, 06:08 PM

Tasselfoot

03-25-2005, 06:44 PM

GL Guys... just gotta say that this is some unlucky bs for me:

Kilga told me the wolves initially picked someone else and switched to me.
Kilga told me the guardian initially guarded me and switched to someone else.

GL. See y'all in TWG XIV.

evilbutterfly

03-25-2005, 06:58 PM

Oh, and I'd just like to say: Tass is not the god of TWG. Losing him does not mean we're screwed. In the past, sometimes people will lose a power player and feel lost and hopeless because they rely on them way too much. Don't take this loss as any different from the loss of another player, it's just as bad. As long as you people don't give up now, we can win this :P.

t wouldn't be smart to throw around wolf strategies and then use them

Seriously, I would have killed him. You thinking that is what makes presenting strategies you'll use such a great thing. Tass dying shows that the wolves have progressed to like...triple reverse psychology, so what makes you think they'd stop there?

stretchypanda

03-25-2005, 07:34 PM

Hm.

So, there's a lot that I could say, but I'd hate to be yelled at for repeating what's already been stated.

We've got a good enough mixture of vets and newbs that ANYONE could have gone for Tass, whether knowledgeable of his high status or not, so there's actually not a lot to go on there, but I have to say I definitely expect this more from our vets (such as a certain someone who keeps pointing out that he and a few others have said they would go for Tass first).

SIGH, I finally get to play a game with Tass and you people kill him. Jerks.

EDIT: Slightly related: If there is a chat going on on AIM, I don't think Trillian will allow me into it. :/

deltro300111

03-25-2005, 07:34 PM

JurseyRider734

03-25-2005, 08:06 PM

Well I guess after seeing in the last TWG that a huge player was wolfed night one, I guess the wolves tried to do it again. Although they lost last game, I don't think it will do that much as long as some type of alliance is formed.

Eb, you would have killed Tass? Maybe you did.

evilbutterfly

03-25-2005, 08:17 PM

May be. I'm not one to act like it couldn't be me. I tend to present possibilities (even if they're self-damning) and nothing more. I'm surprised more people don't already know this about me.

Kefit

03-25-2005, 10:57 PM

Well, Tass is dead. I'm not all that surprised, especially after last game.

I'm thinking this move was made by a long time player. Why? Well, look back at the first few TWGs that were won by the humans (specifically, the games that were held before the introduction of the master wolf). If memory serves me correctly, all of those games were won by the seer forming an alliance with Tass, and letting it grow from there. As far as I could tell, that sort of alliance, when properly run, is pretty much uncounterable by the wolves. Maybe I am missing a key flaw in that strategy, in which case this whole post is pretty much worthless, but I don't think that I am.

Now look at this game. We have no master wolf. In other words, an alliance like the ones in our early games is a perfectly sound strategy. How does the seer start this alliance? By seeing Tass, of course. It could be that a successful seeing of Tass as a human would be all that is needed for the wolves to be screwed. It is imperitive for the wolves to stop such a thing from happening, so they go after Tass. It's unlikely that he will be guarded anyway, as even if the guardian decides to guard one of the "valuble" players (ie, Tass, blah, alain), which itself is unlikely, the guardian will still have only a one in three chance of guarding Tass. If the wolves manage to kill him, then yay, they get an actual game to play. If they don't manage to kill him, then they were probably screwed anyway.

Now I know that I have expressed my annoyance with the view that Tass is TWG god or whatever, and that this post seems to contradict that. However, the fact is that Tass knows what he is doing in a basic game like this. Furthermore, he has the experience necessary to avoid making mistakes. Sure, others would be capable of leading an human alliance with the seer, but I doubt that any would do it nearly as well as Tass.

Besides this though, I am not ready to start speculating on who among the vets I could suspect. I think I'll let things go on for a bit more before looking into that.

nforcer06164

03-26-2005, 06:11 AM

I'd bet it was somebody who knows what they're doing rather than some newb who just saw that the top dogs could die. People who have said in the past that they'd kill Tass night 1 (me, blah, alain I think) are most likely behind this. Of course, we can't instantly condemn all of those people because it would only take one of them being a wolf to get Tass killed. It's just something to keep in mind.True, but the logical converse of that is that you are all wolves, and we should condemn you all. It's just something to keep in mind.

It's possible, deltro, but I doubt even if one was a wolf that eb would post all three names of the wolves in this game.

But there IS one more possibilty I thought of, and remember that I'm just throwing out ideas here... suppose eb is a wolf. Now, naturally, without a psychic, it's impossible to tell, but if eb goes, and we could prove he was a wolf, and the other two are left, we would jump on them, assuming eb really did post all three names. Then, the wolves would get two extra nights to pick people off while we systematically lynched those two, and when the game didn't end after lynching the third, we'd wonder what the hell was going on.

Now I know that I have expressed my annoyance with the view that Tass is TWG god or whatever, and that this post seems to contradict that. However, the fact is that Tass knows what he is doing in a basic game like this. Furthermore, he has the experience necessary to avoid making mistakes. Sure, others would be capable of leading an human alliance with the seer, but I doubt that any would do it nearly as well as Tass.

Remember the fastest game here, TWG VIII, had eb as the leader of the human alliance. Of course, it could've been a fluke, what with LD being kicked out and all, but I really have to give eb more credit than that. eb is right. Tass is a good player, but he's not the TWG god. Just because the wolves got lucky picking him off Night 1 doesn't mean we're screwed, we just don't have Tass's mind to work with. This game is far from over for the humans right now.

deltro300111

03-26-2005, 06:40 AM

But there IS one more possibilty I thought of, and remember that I'm just throwing out ideas here... suppose eb is a wolf. Now, naturally, without a psychic, it's impossible to tell, but if eb goes, and we could prove he was a wolf, and the other two are left, we would jump on them, assuming eb really did post all three names. Then, the wolves would get two extra nights to pick people off while we systematically lynched those two, and when the game didn't end after lynching the third, we'd wonder what the hell was going on.
There is no way he posted all three names of the wolves- I was just trying to keep anything from getting solidified so near the beggining of the game.

flypie743

03-26-2005, 07:35 AM

Tps222

03-26-2005, 08:00 AM

It's possible, deltro, but I doubt even if one was a wolf that eb would post all three names of the wolves in this game.

But there IS one more possibilty I thought of, and remember that I'm just throwing out ideas here... suppose eb is a wolf. Now, naturally, without a psychic, it's impossible to tell, but if eb goes, and we could prove he was a wolf, and the other two are left, we would jump on them, assuming eb really did post all three names. Then, the wolves would get two extra nights to pick people off while we systematically lynched those two, and when the game didn't end after lynching the third, we'd wonder what the hell was going on.

Heh, that's what happened in the last jTWG.

Seems to be a trend of power-players dieing. Could have been a new player, or a vet, my gut tells me a vet. I was talking to Tass before the day started, and he said he was human, nothing special, so I don't know what that counts for. There really isn't too much more to say that wouldn't be stating past idea's, so I will wait for more to develop.

flypie743

03-26-2005, 08:40 AM

EDIT: Slightly related: If there is a chat going on on AIM, I don't think Trillian will allow me into it. :/

Yeah, you can join chats in trillian. Right click your screenname on your buddy list then click "Invite to a Chat Room" then at the bottom of the invite in the slot called "Chat Room" type TWG XIII and you will be in it.

evilbutterfly

03-26-2005, 10:11 AM

There is no way he posted all three names of the wolves

This is why I hate when newbs play. Never say "well a wolf would NEVER do this" because saying that is why a wolf would do such a thing. When I was a wolf a few games ago, I said jokingly in the chat that I was wolf, I condemned TPS of being a wolf (and he was), and joked around about me and Cypher being wolf buddies (which was also true). If there had been some slight evidence against them, I would have posted it. There is no such thing as something a wolf wouldn't do. Stop being ignorant.

That said, I don't think you guys should try to read too far into what I say. I just throw stuff out there. Of course, of the 3 people I said, I know I'm gonna appear the most wolfy. I can almost gaurantee that somebody will vote for me today. It almost always happens. Just don't only analyze one thing that got said, throw some stuff out yourself. If we all get stuck talking about one thing, nothing good will come of it. We need to bring up new stuff, accuse people, and get them nervous so they'll slip up and show their wolfiness.

Oh, and the chatroom is already pretty much dead. I'll be in there today, but I may be away from the comp so I can read this book for school. Guys, feel free to invite yourself to it and talk about the game all you want.

HansSky

03-26-2005, 10:37 AM

Remember the fastest game here, TWG VIII, had eb as the leader of the human alliance.

I believe manhunt was the fastest TWG.

But anyway...

I don't think we should be underestimating ANYBODY in this game. I mean, going so far as to saying that anyone here would've killed Tass? I won't lie to you, that's not true at all. But we're limiting it to a handful of people, and that is never good. It very well could have been ME that did it, or what about Lupin? Don't you think he has the balls enough to do it? I'm just trying to open up the venue a little bit, that's all. I like to consider all possibilties, as I said last game, and the game before that. If we want to win, then we can not single out people this early in the game.

Kefit

03-26-2005, 10:58 AM

You guys are missing the point of everything I wrote.

The game we are playing now is a very basic one. One of the reasons we moved on beyond this basic setup was because the human alliance strategy that came up in TWG 2 and 3 was far too powerful. It's not a complicated strategy - I'm sure any of the good thinkers here could pull it off. The thing is, Tass has experience doing it, and experience >> no experience.

Basically, I believe someone familiar with these older games (ie, someone who played in them) is a wolf, as such a person would be quite fearful of a Tass alliance.

blahblah18

03-26-2005, 11:00 AM

JurseyRider734

03-26-2005, 11:58 AM

Yeah, I agree, blah. But seeing as from the last game they could pull off wolfing a power player the first day, don't you think that would give somewhat newer people some kind of confidence to do it?

Lupin_the_3rd

03-26-2005, 12:39 PM

Yeah, I agree, blah. But seeing as from the last game they could pull off wolfing a power player the first day, don't you think that would give somewhat newer people some kind of confidence to do it?

I just reviewed the list, and the only people who haven't played in an FFR TWG are deltro (who seems plenty competent) and the guy from bemanistyle. This leaves one opening. Look at the remaining players. All of us have a good amount of experience, meaning, it would be likely that even if deltro and the other guy were wolves, one of us would be the leader (having the best background of playing here), and ultimately the ones making decisions. This means that this is definitely not a wolfing by means of imitation. There was at least one wolf who knew what they were doing.

stretchypanda

03-26-2005, 12:40 PM

Well I've already said that I believe Hans would do it... My list of people that would kill tass first based on previous facts is
hans,kefit,eb,alain,me,LD

no particular order to that list

that doesn't even tell us much since 3 wolves 16 people, odds normally woudl say at least 1 from tht subset was a wolf

=( I feel left out.

EDIT: Blah has pointed out (and I already knew this) that this post is the "most telling" of all.

I've also been told (several times) I should talk to people more. I go to the chat, and nothing of any importance is ever discussed. I'd much rather read what everyone has to say in the thread than carry out six hundred AIM conversations, but anyone is welcome to contact me, and I have already tried talking to a few of you regarding the game. I'm really busy a lot of the time, and I like talking about things other than TWG on AIM. Sorry if that bothers anyone.

As for conversations, Alain, where have you been? I've grown to expect much more from you by now -- even on day one.

evilbutterfly

03-26-2005, 01:36 PM

But seeing as from the last game they could pull off wolfing a power player the first day, don't you think that would give somewhat newer people some kind of confidence to do it?

Really, because a power player got hit last game, I would have expected that Tass would be guarded in this game. I'd bet either him or blah got guarded last night, but I guess we'll have to wait until postgame to know for sure. Really, the wolves took a huge gamble by offing Tass. Whoever did it was quite ballsy.

But is this really all we have to talk about? In the past we've always said that analyzing the Day 1 kill does very little for us, and that it's better to analyze people's actions than the kills. We're going to need more evidence than this kill before the day is over, so let's get working on it.

I've got nothing, though....

Tps222

03-26-2005, 06:22 PM

Well then, not to over-analyze the kill, I'm voting QreepyBoris . My innactive strategy, he has been around the forums long enough to know tass, but not the recent events of the game.

deltro300111

03-26-2005, 08:05 PM

I dunno, Eb's activity seems moderatley suspicious, that's all I've got now. Someone needs to start a chat.

flux_

03-26-2005, 08:46 PM

Well, this being my first game here, I'm trying to pick up on everything everyone says to get a feel for this place. It seems like there's a lot of over analyzing right now. With 3 pages, all that's come up with is that tass is dead, there are 3 wolves at least one has played here before, and anyone could be a wolf.

Although it didn't have much to do with the actual game, blah's post put up a red flag for me for some reason. There doesn't seem to be much else real being said that can be concrete for a vote.

evilbutterfly

03-26-2005, 11:33 PM

I know I'm gonna appear the most wolfy. I can almost gaurantee that somebody will vote for me today.

And somehow, I just knew it would be somebody who doesn't know me at all!

Oh and deltro, if you actually read some stuff, you'd know that there IS a chat. It's called TWG XIII, and you can invite yourself to it anytime you want. The chat is pretty much dead, though, and has been since before the game started. I'm almost always in there, though, because I have no life and rarely close AIM.

nforcer06164

03-27-2005, 06:48 AM

I dunno, Eb's activity seems moderatley suspicious, that's all I've got now. Someone needs to start a chat.

Deltro, if you have read any past TWGs, you would know that eb always acts like this. I'm not saying that it's a crime to vote him Day 1, but he always looks like a wolf early on. If you haven't read any past TWGs, read a few, especially the last one, XII, to get a good idea about the way some of us act during games.

blahblah18

03-27-2005, 06:58 AM

that doesn't acquit him... not that I think he's guilt of anthhing but I sa while you're going back, read the TWG where he IS a wolf, get a fiar and balanced opinion at least.

nforcer06164

03-27-2005, 07:17 AM

Ok, the wolves want to take this risk, good for them.. but let me say several things for future reference to maybe stop the bleeding in the future...
If the wolves want to try and take me or tass out night 1, so be it... lets agree that one of us should be guarded, and that it shouldn't be said who..
they have a 50 % chance of killing a main player, but that only helps them a lot, it doesn't guarantee a win (see last game)
On the other hand, they'll have a 50 % chance of GIVING THE GAME TO THE HUMANS... all roles will go to the acquitted and the game will be a cakewalk (see me guarding EB)

so although this sucks, and nothing can be done about it., hopefully this post will offer some protection to us in future games...

More to come when I have more to say

I just re-read the thread, and this jumped out at me for some reason. blah, you already brought this up in the TWG XII postgame. Plus, now, it's too late to really discuss it. This is something best left for the postgame or chat. And, what makes you think that the wolves will undoubtedly go for you or Tass on Night 1 in future games? Again, it's not something to be discussing now.

Maybe you posted that without thinking for emphasis on what you've said in the past, but I found it strange to be bringing it up midgame. You know very well that the guardian most likely guarded another "power player", like you or alain, rather than Tass. I don't think you were trying to draw attention away from the kill, but the post seems far out of place to me.

nforcer06164

03-27-2005, 07:38 AM

Sorry to double-post, but does anyone know exactly when this days ends? I know Kilga said 72 hours, but he never gave a definite time.

evilbutterfly

03-27-2005, 09:04 AM

Tomorrow at 7 PM, I think. Unless my FFR clock is wrong, then it's at 6. Whatever, we have another day to vote. Speaking of voting, I have no idea right now. I always forget how we come to lynch anybody Day 1. Hopefully this ridiculously long amount of time will make it easier to get evidence, but I doubt it at the slow rate we're posting. Seriously, more people need to say stuff, even if there's nothing to say, just so we can see how people are talking. That's one great way to get together a list of suspects. Please, if everybody talks, it makes this game a lot easier.

Of course, some of you will be inactive regardless, but you people who are often inactive, think about this: if everybody posts a bunch, we will see if they look suspicious. If you are human, you have nothing to worry about, so you won't look suspicious. Wolves may look susupicious, however, so they may refrain from posting and try to hide. If we can all just agree to post a lot, 2 things could happen. 1) The wolves also post a lot (to seem human) but they will slip up and we're able to catch them more easily. 2) The wolves, scared to let #1 happen, don't post at all. This makes them ridiculously obvious to us. Now, I'm not one to vote for people just because of inactivity, but maybe if we all agree to be active that could work?

C'mon guys, I'm just trying to get things moving.

nforcer06164

03-27-2005, 09:20 AM

eb, there's a few flaws in your plan. Getting people to post as much as possible is a good idea under the right circumstances. But, when there's nothing to say pertaining to the game thus far, we'll all will be posting stuff that looks odd. A supposed "slip-up" could be a post that looks funny just because the poster was reaching for something to carry on with your plan. Plus, remember, we can't all be expected to be incredibly active. People have things going on in their lives that take precedence over TWG, so under your plan, they're suspected as wolf when in reality, they had real-world issues to attend to. It's a good idea, but I doubt we'll have to right circumstances to make it effective.

Kilgamayan

03-27-2005, 09:25 AM

The day will end at 8:00 PM EST on Monday.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-27-2005, 10:23 AM

Quite frankly, at this rate, we're likely lynching a human by tomorrow. I don't know whether it's just me, but aim pms are few and far between and the chat room is usually home to 7 or 8 people at peak times, with a maximum of 4 people talking at once. I just feel that there is just piercing silence. The majority of what people even have to talk about in the chat room is "people need to start talking more". Whatever the problem is, be it easter weekend, or the beginning of spring break for some, let's just hope we can solve this soon.

As for me, I have been neglecting to talk on aim (albeit there isn't much to talk about), which is not only hurting me, but the entire human team. I realize day one is tough to decipher, and yes, we are likely going to lynch a human, but if we all talk, we'll at least be able to use posts for future evidence. I'm sure that it'll be a lot harder to pin a wolf if all the posts consist of "we need to be talking more"

Personally, I think we're looking at a veteran wolf. I disagree with your list of 5, however, blah. I believe that a good majority was capable of that, though I must say that chances are one of you is a wolf. This being said, we're obviously not going to start lynching the best players on that, but I'm sure the seer should know what their job is right now.

What's really going to be a nuisance is inactives later in the game. I don't care if you post once, just post something of substance we can work with. Also, if there is a slight chance you don't think you'll be able to vote by tomorrow, vote now. Vote anyone, but just make sure you vote.

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 11:25 AM

Well then, not to over-analyze the kill, I'm voting QreepyBoris . My innactive strategy, he has been around the forums long enough to know tass, but not the recent events of the game.

O_o?

I'm not even going to try to understand that, sorry. :P

Sorry about the absence, too. I forgot I was playing. -_- We had guests over and I was basically really busy, and so I did not realize the game was on by now. :P

My gut says Flux_ is the guardian. Juist cause ANYONE less new to the game might have protevted Tass. Yes, yes, I know, there is very little chance that that is actually TRUE, but...It's just my gut.

As for wolves? I don't know. I'm going to wait it out a while before voting definitively.

HansSky

03-27-2005, 11:35 AM

Well then, not to over-analyze the kill, I'm voting QreepyBoris . My innactive strategy, he has been around the forums long enough to know tass, but not the recent events of the game.

O_o?

I'm not even going to try to understand that, sorry. :P

He means that he's going to try and vote off inactive people who won't help any, to put it bluntly.

At least that's what I think he meant by his "innactive strategy". Anyone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

evilbutterfly

03-27-2005, 11:54 AM

Yeah, TPS was in the chat and tried to explain the reasoning to me, but it didn't make any sense. Then he got offended and said I was an elitist jerk and thought I was super awesome at the game and I shouldn't call him stupid, or something like that. I guess I won't criticize him anymore o-O;;

And Qreepy, for future reference, it's not good to point out who the guardian may be, as this may tip off the wolves who hadn't noticed and get a special role killed. That said, you may be right or wrong. Tass isn't the only top tier player that we'd want to keep alive. The guardian may have been experienced enough to know that blah and Tass are both pretty damn good, and they just happened to pick blah when the wolves picked Tass.

And yeah, my thing I posted before really wouldn't work, it was just my way of doing what I said in that post by just posting anything I could. And thinking about it, I see that it would only generate false suspicion. After all, I do what I suggested, and people always suspect me (yet I've only been a wolf once). So yeah...scratch that plan.

stretchypanda

03-27-2005, 12:03 PM

Okay, I hate to do this, but at this point, I would have expected much more from Alain. I've seen you online, and I've seen you post in other threads, so you can't tell me you're too busy to check TWG (especially as slow as this thread has been). You've also posted once, so you can't say you forgot you were playing.

I really don't want to use a person's inactivity as a reason to vote, but I'm trying to get something going here. You are usually all kinds of helpful in this game, and this time around we've heard narry a peep from you.

So, let's go. Prove me wrong.

lightdarkness

03-27-2005, 12:04 PM

Voting chart please!

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 12:08 PM

I donno, I think voting off people who are SPORADICALLY inactive is stupid. And even highly inactive does not get you very far, either, since statistically you are lynching a human.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-27-2005, 12:34 PM

since statistically you are lynching a human.

Considering it is night one, I'd say either way, chances are we're lynching a human. This is what they are getting at- it is a lot easier to get a read from an active human than an inactive one. This is where the question comes- Would you rather lynch an active or inactive human. Granted, we still have time to find enough evidence to incriminate someone as wolf, but complete inactivity is almost as bad as an extra wolf.

Voting for inactives can work wonders, as we've seen in your case, qreepy.

flypie743

03-27-2005, 01:19 PM

The only thing that has caught my eye is in the chat. Alain said something like "I hope I get wolfed tonight". I don't know his exact wording, but yeah. And Hans and I both asked him why...I never heard him say anything besides "because" or something weird like that. So what's your explanation Alain?

evilbutterfly

03-27-2005, 01:26 PM

Voting just for inactivity is bad, but voting for uncharacteristic inactivity isn't so terrible. It's pretty common that you act different, just slightly strange, when you're a wolf. If someone is always active then suddenly drops off the charts one game, they must be hiding something. Of course, I'd like to think Alain knows better. The comment flypie just said about hoping he is wolfed may mean that he doesn't want to play again. As such, may be he isn't being as active. Praps the game isn't as interesting to him anymore? We should wait for an explaination though, I guess.

stretchypanda

03-27-2005, 01:49 PM

I'm only voting for him in hopes of drawing out an explanation. If he wants to be removed from the game, he need only ask.

stretchypanda

03-27-2005, 01:54 PM

DOUBLE POST!

I present a totally ripped off voting chart:
AlainBryden (2): lightdarkness, stretchypanda
evilbutterfly (1): deltronumbernumber
BlahBlahnumber (1): flux_

EDIT: Forgot Qreepy (1): Tps

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 02:15 PM

since statistically you are lynching a human.
Voting for inactives can work wonders, as we've seen in your case, qreepy.

Wait, what'd it do in my case? Bring me in the game? Nah, that was actually coincidence. :P

But I do agree that round one has generally terrible chances of getting wolves. But still, It's better to go off on a limb than to kill someone useless.

On the other hand, killing deadweights in round 1 has its advantages--namely, you can't really get away with it in any other round.

But, still. I'd rather have evidence than this.

Tps222

03-27-2005, 03:25 PM

Ok, going wit the statistics, we lynch a human on day one most of the time. Much doesn't usually come out of day 1. So, I think it would be a good idea to lynch an innactive player because

1. They aren't contributing to the conversation
2. The more active people we keep, the more conversation and the chance of a wolf slipping up there is.

I voted for Qreepy mainly because

1. At the time, he hadn'y posted. (obviously I'm changing it now)
2. Qreepy knew that Tass was a power player. He wasnt around the last few games, so he wouldn't know the change in guarding/wolfing patterns. If he had some newb wolfs around him, he could easily persuade them.
3. So, to try and incorporate some idea's in my innactive vote, I included that theory.

Thus, since Qreepy has posted, and I have reconsidered my view on that idea, mainly because of thinking over what EB said, and some doubts in my own mind, I am sticking to my above stated innactive strategy, I'm not going for a wolf on day 1, like most of you are, I'm waiting for the game to develop more, with more evidence, seerings, and slip-ups for voting seriously on someone. Thus, my vote goes to Flux. He onlu has 1 post, and in that post, he gave no credible information for voting for Blah. He is the least active, so nothing personal.

stretchypanda

03-27-2005, 04:02 PM

Tps, you are a freaking idiot.

You do not WANT to go for humans, no matter what.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-27-2005, 04:17 PM

Tps, you are a freaking idiot.

You do not WANT to go for humans, no matter what.

How do you know for sure that flux is human? How many day one wolf lynches have there been? Not too many, that's for sure. Since statistically we're lynching a human tomorrow, why not vote off the weakest link? Because there's still a 3 in 14 chance we're lynching a wolf, why not run with those odds. I'm not condemning flux in any way, it's just that if no better evidence is brought to the table, then that is probably the best course of action.

evilbutterfly

03-27-2005, 04:31 PM

This is another case of "TPS isn't too great at saying what he means and therefore comes off very badly." He doesn't mean he's aiming for humans, he just worded it badly or something.

In the chat:

evilbutterfly87: it's not so much that you're aiming for a human
evilbutterfly87: it's that you're aiming for useless people
Tps7910: Yes

See, he's not aiming for a human, he's aiming for useless people and hoping they're a wolf. He just didn't word it so well.

Tps222

03-27-2005, 04:40 PM

evilbutterfly87: and man, you shouldn't aim for killing a human
Tps7910: Were going too
Tps7910: Most likely
evilbutterfly87: no
Tps7910: Statistics show
evilbutterfly87: we've killed wolves on day 1 plenty of times
evilbutterfly87: stats mean crap in TWG
Tps7910: Well, I'm sticking with my idea unless I see some incrimnating evidnce
Tps7910: My vote is subject to change, but there are more pros then cons in the strategy
Tps7910: We dont need to get a wolf on day 1
Tps7910: It would be better to scarifice a innactive human
evilbutterfly87: it's not so much that you're aiming for a human
evilbutterfly87: it's that you're aiming for useless people
Tps7910: Yes
evilbutterfly87: and hoping that you get lucky, maybe
Tps7910: If a wolf is active
Tps7910: He has a chance to slip up
Tps7910: Exactly
evilbutterfly87: you just word it badly
Tps7910: The only thing that can go wrong is if the innactive person is a sp role
evilbutterfly87: in your post, you basically say "i dont wanna kill wolves, i wanna kill inactives"
Tps7910: Well, are people that dumb to honestly think I meant that
Tps7910: What wolf would say that
Tps7910: Too obvious
evilbutterfly87: but still
evilbutterfly87: it makes you come off as stupid
evilbutterfly87: what you're saying isnt so bad
evilbutterfly87: it's just how you say it
Tps7910: Well, how can I fix it
flypie743: lol
evilbutterfly87: idunno man, you just have trouble communicating your ideas
Tps7910: Did my last post help at all
evilbutterfly87: well your new idea in that post, it wasnt very clear
Tps7910: How so
evilbutterfly87: you have alright ideas, you just gotta be clear and careful with what you so
Tps7910: Ok
evilbutterfly87: "I'm not going for a wolf on day 1, like most of you are"
evilbutterfly87: things like that....makes you sound bad
Tps7910: But thats how i feel
Tps7910: I dont neccesarily need to get a wolf on day 1
Tps7910: It would be nice
Tps7910: But it is not my main goal
flypie743: what is your main goal?
Tps7910: My main goal is for us to win
flypie743: and you can win
flypie743: by getting rid of the wolves
flypie743: the sooner the better
flypie743: the less humans dead the better, so the goal is to lynch a wolf
Tps7910: That is true
Tps7910: But what if you go of a hunch
Legat0bluesummrs: the thing is
Tps7910: And some evidnce points a fairly active player, that is decenty
Tps7910: and turns out that he is human
Tps7910: Not only do we lynch a human, we lynch a usefull one
Legat0bluesummrs: flypie, what makes you think flux, or anyone else we lynch is human for sure?
flypie743: eh?
evilbutterfly87: lupin, we're not debating flux's humanity
flypie743: when did I say flux was human
Legat0bluesummrs: neither am I
evilbutterfly87: we're debating that tps doesnt care if he lynches a human
Legat0bluesummrs: well obviously nobody cares day one
Legat0bluesummrs: considering it happens 9 out of 10 of the time
evilbutterfly87: no, see, thats terrible thinking
Tps7910: As long as he or she is innactive
Tps7910: There not helping
lightdarkness42 has entered the room.
Tps7910: only hurting
lightdarkness42: hi
Tps7910: they wont slip-up
flypie743: hi LD
Legat0bluesummrs: fact is, we're not going to get a wolf unless we're damn lucky
Tps7910: Or
Tps7910: Someone slips up
Tps7910: only active can slip up
Tps7910: so, we want to get rid of all innactive
evilbutterfly87: Kilga slipped up last game
evilbutterfly87: he's inactive
evilbutterfly87: people talked to him on AIM
evilbutterfly87: he couldnt stay concealed
evilbutterfly87: otherwise, you're pretty much right
Tps7910: This gives us a chance to collect seer info, evidnce, and with more active people around, more conversation and a chnac for someone to slip up, if the person is innactive, they cant slip up
evilbutterfly87: yes they can, but it's harder
Tps7910: Yea, so lets make it easier
evilbutterfly87: but still, we're not aiming for a human
flypie743: I agree with eb
Legat0bluesummrs: exactly
Legat0bluesummrs: we're not aiming for a human
Legat0bluesummrs: because we dont know
Tps7910: Yes, I know, but we really dont hav e agood shot at getting a wolf
Tps7910: So, I would rather lose a bad human instead of a helpfull one
Tps7910: Unless I have complete evidnce of wolfiness
Tps7910: THeres no point in risking a helpfull human
Tps7910: or person
flypie743: yeah, but still. we aren't aiming for a human
flypie743: we are aiming for a wolf
evilbutterfly87: indeed
flypie743: but on day 1 its kind of hard
evilbutterfly87: TPS's post made it seem otherwise

flux_

03-27-2005, 05:01 PM

I've been quiet in almost every game I've ever played; I tend to see what everone else says, and make my votes based on that. I'm trying to be more active here since FFR games are more conversation oriented, but I really have nothing to say. I've never played here so I can't look at past experiences and talk about how people aren't acting like they usually are or anything.

My vote for blah wasn't based on anything real, but seeing as how this is the first round and no one has made any real accusations, and little has been said other than speculating who could have killed Tass (which it seems the result came out 'anyone') I had little to make my vote on.

HansSky

03-27-2005, 05:02 PM

Tps7910: This gives us a chance to collect seer info, evidnce, and with more active people around, more conversation and a chnac for someone to slip up, if the person is innactive, they cant slip up

Whoops!
We lynched the seer.
Whoops!
We lynched the guardian.
Whoops!
We wasted a kill on someone because they were inactive.

I've expressed my views on this before, and they remain the same.

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 05:15 PM

We need the other SEVENTY THOUSAND people who are inactive to post in this before the day closes, or else we are not doing too much good conversing without them.

Tps222

03-27-2005, 05:16 PM

JurseyRider734

03-27-2005, 05:29 PM

First of all, sorry about being so inactive. I went out riding earlier, came home, showered, then went right out again.

I have to agree with Lupin, though. He said to vote of the weakest link. If they aren't going to make a good contribution to the game by talking at all, then they most likely aren't going to help in the future. Chances are, they could be a wolf, and are trying to fly under the radar so that no one will suspect them. I know that i haven't been contributing that much, but see the reason above ^. I'll be able to do a lot for the next week considering I don't have to go to school. The only one that's standing out is TPS, but that is to be expected considering he acts stupid every game. It would kind of help if more people were talking so that we could have more opinions, and maybe something to go off of.

I'm not going to vote at the moment because I haven't seen enough input from everyone.

HansSky

03-27-2005, 05:35 PM

Your taking things to the extreme Hans. It's not wasting a kill, would you rather kill an active helpfull person, and leave a bunch of innactive people around, I wouldn't. This is just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it, it's just an idea.

If you vote for someone who you think is a WOLF, you have a better chance of lynching a WOLF. If you vote for someone who you think is HUMAN, regardless of activity, you have a better chance of lynching a HUMAN.

And now to recap the goal of the game:

To lynch all of the WOLVES.

Tps222

03-27-2005, 05:50 PM

Lupin_the_3rd

03-27-2005, 05:51 PM

If you vote for someone who you think is a WOLF, you have a better chance of lynching a WOLF. If you vote for someone who you think is HUMAN, regardless of activity, you have a better chance of lynching a HUMAN.

Unfortunately in the past games, it hasn't worked out so easily day one. Things that "look" suspicious or "sound" wolfish are often performed by humans. Our definition of "wolfish behaviour" is hardly accurate. Besides the luck you had with TPS one game, how many times have you heard something "wolfish" coming from an actual wolf? Not often, and especially not on day one. Day one is a free day for the wolves. We run around with our heads cut off and lynch each other until we become organized. The wolves are the calm and collected ones. They are the ones who are watching us argue our points back and forth without drawing too much attention to themself. Unfortunately, we have the preconceived notion that suspicious activity stems from wolves. It's time we erase those stereotypes.

Oh, and we don't know flux is a wolf or a human, so assuming that lynching him is lynching a human is overlooking the fact that there's a 21% chance he's a wolf. However, in no way is flux condemned. He's merely a target to provide a warning to other inactives.

stretchypanda

03-27-2005, 05:53 PM

I recall a game where a wolf was lynched night one. OHWAIT, THAT WAS TPS.

Hans is completely right. I did not mean in any way that I feel flux is human or wolf. I meant that Tps's strategy of seeking out useless humans rather than wolves is STUPID, be it day one or day six.

Kefit

03-27-2005, 06:03 PM

What the hell is wrong with you guys.

Lynching an inactive player on the pretense that you are getting rid of someone who isn't an assest is bullshit. We have gone over this before in past games. It is NOT a good strategy.

Yet people are trying to push it AGAIN. From what I have seen, specifically Tps and Lupin, with a bit of defense from eb.

Right now Lupin gets my vote, due to the amount of bullshit in his last post combined with his continued push to lynch Flux (by the way, humans usually don't have a good reason to strongly push for a specfic lynch day one, whereas a wolf, who knows who all the humans and wolves are, does). We should ignore wolfish things he says? So we should ignore everything which allows the humans to win this game? The only people that such a strategy helps is the wolves.

I still think that the reasoning I used in my early post is mostly correct, so I'll review it combined with this later. For now, Disgaea calls.

nforcer06164

03-27-2005, 06:05 PM

Okay, guys, riding on TPS is just going to make him say something more stupid. Remember last game; he talked about lynching alain, and he worded it wrong. It got him lynched. He says stupid stuff he doesn't mean to say every game, and it gets him killed. I'm not saying he isn't a wolf, but this is expected of him.

I'm particularly looking at flux_ right now. He's only posted twice, once to throw in a vote, once to explain himself, to save himself from being killed. He's been staying out of the way WAY too much for Day 1. I think forcing a second vote on flux_ will make him talk a little more.

Now, about alain. I talked to him about this privately, because I was wondering why he had not been posting, because he had obviously been available. The reason is, eb, Kefit, AND blah have all brought his name up as a potential wolf that could've killed Tass. This strategy, as well as this finger-pointing, has pissed him off to the point where he does not want to play this game anymore, at least for now. He got fed up after blah reiterated what had already been plainly stated. I'm going to get the blame if you guys spam him with messages now, so just give him his space to let him cool off.

flypie743

03-27-2005, 06:10 PM

Why does he care if they bought up his name? No one ever voted for him for it. The two votes for him are based off of randomness and inactivity. And LD always ends up changing his vote and I bet Stretchy will change her vote when an explanation comes from Alain, or someone who has talked to him. =/

nforcer06164

03-27-2005, 06:14 PM

I already told you why he cared. He didn't like a finger being pointed at him, if only casually, three different times. Maybe he overreacted, but that is what he said, plain and simple.

Okay a bunch of posts went in before mine, so I will clarify something I meant to say about flux_. I was getting a bad vibe from him after his second post, which looked like a little cry just thrown in to say, "I'm new, I'm innocent, there's no reason to look at me." The fact that he can't look back and see how people act is bull. There are plenty of games he could look back on to at least get an idea of behavior and get even a loose idea of how people act when they have certain roles. He has no excuse for saying (or, more accurately, implying) that he should be given a little room for not playing here before.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-27-2005, 06:21 PM

Right now Lupin gets my vote, due to the amount of bullshit in his last post combined with his continued push to lynch Flux

Ok first off, I'd like to point out that I have no intention to lynch Flux, and that is solely a last resort if we do not gather any evidence. I have not, and I will refuse to put a vote on flux if he becomes more active. I am still looking for evidence, and the controversy that TPS and I have started has been a great way to get conversations and opinions flowing.

Secondly, you have failed to tell us why you think I'm spewing bullshit. Yes, finding wolves through suspicious behaviour works to an extent in jTWG, but come on...wolves don't come out and say incriminating things day one in a game of this calibur. The majority of "wolfish" behaviour will be coming from confused and scattered humans- has this not been observed in the past? I believe that there very well could be a wolf on your side, or my side of the argument- maybe even both. But the thing is that wolves have no need to really expose themselves this early on. There's no benefit for them to be in the spotlight. This being said, why is my speculation that wolves act normally so invalid?

Lastly, I realize my logic on day one wolfings are flawed. I didn't realize there were so many in the earlier games. Then again, wolves learn from their mistakes.

flypie743

03-27-2005, 06:23 PM

JurseyRider734

03-27-2005, 06:24 PM

Jurs, me and Lupin said the SAME EXACT THING. SAME IDEA. How am I acting stupid, it's an idea that could work.

Tps7910: If tass brought it up, or blah
Legat0bluesummrs: everyone has to participate
Tps7910: We would hav been using it games ago
Legat0bluesummrs: hah yeah

I meant, the reason you're making yourself suspicious is because the way you word it makes you look stupid. That's why you're standing out. You get into arguements over stuff (see:eb) and it makes you look like an idiot.

flypie743

03-27-2005, 06:25 PM

Oh, and nforcer, I am not really saying this stuff to you...like why he isn't posting, etc. I'm just putting it out in the open because I know you are only repeating what he said :P

stretchypanda

03-27-2005, 06:40 PM

I'm definitely going to be the first person to tell you not to underestimate the newbs (and possibly the best example of why you shouldn't -- not to be cocky, olol), but I want to give flux_ the benefit of the doubt for now. If there had been opposition to me joining a game, I'd be very hesitant to say anything, too. I think we have a much better chance of analyzing those among us who have played on this forum before (which is everyone except flux_). If flux is a wolf and we take out his two partners, he will be easy to get.

As for Alain, I do plan on changing my vote. Not just yet, as nothing has really come along...

I'm going to pull a Tass and ask to be seered. Please.

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 07:15 PM

Pulling a TASS?!

You're pulling a fucking QREEPY, my friend. :)

I am going to go ahead and say Kefit, just because he is trying really hard to get people to gather on his opinion. That wasn't worded terribly well, but I think you might get the idea.

Also, were he a wolf, which I think he is, he has SO much experience in being a wolf without being noticed. He has what it takes to be a wolf, and he's bloody dangerous.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-27-2005, 07:18 PM

Also, were he a wolf, which I think he is, he has SO much experience in being a wolf without being noticed.

Well I think he just got "noticed" by completely contradicting me. Regardless of whether I respect his statement or not, he isn't trying to stay out of the spotlight.

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 07:21 PM

Not without being noticed in the GAME. That should be clear.

I mean that he has expertise in looking like a human when he really is not. And my gut tells me he is not. And if my gut is right, big win! If not, then ah. Well, that would suck a goood bit. But I am still convinced I am right.

HansSky

03-27-2005, 07:28 PM

flux_

03-27-2005, 07:37 PM

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 07:51 PM

Qreepy, don't. Just don't.

Go ahead, call me a pompous, arrogant jerk...

But I think my "gut feelings" are starting to be taken seriously now, since I'm always right. Do I say them? No. Because I don't want to involve them in the game, because I could be wrong. Besides, it doesn't look good on your part to throw that out as your evidence.

I don't, you won't. So don't.

Telling me not to think the way I do? Are you afraid that I am right?

I have no reason to believe that you are not a wolf, either, you know. Especially the way you tooted our own horn, "...since I'm always right". Can you back it up with facts? Yes? Fine, all the more reason I should think you are a wolf. The way you flaunt how often you are right would make so many people follow you, that if you were a wolf (and it is possible you are!), what would be there to stop you from killing everyone?

I do not mean to sound accusatory, exactly. But I do not see any other reason you would so swiftly and willingly try to shut my opinions down.

And also, are you trying to set yourself as an example for me? I do not know whether that is benign or malevolent--if you were a hman, all the better, if you were a wolf, then it screws me over, eh?

My vote stands.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-27-2005, 07:52 PM

HansSky

03-27-2005, 07:59 PM

...Qreepy...any vet here can back me up on this. Any at all. All I'm saying is that its not very smart to base your vote off of instinct. That's all.

evilbutterfly

03-27-2005, 08:00 PM

Is anybody else thoroughly pissed off at this game right now?

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 08:01 PM

...Qreepy...any vet here can back me up on this. Any at all. All I'm saying is that its not very smart to base your vote off of instinct. That's all.

Odd, you said yourself that you did that and people trusted it....

Kefit

03-27-2005, 08:07 PM

Also, were he a wolf, which I think he is, he has SO much experience in being a wolf without being noticed.

I have been a wolf in exactly one game. In that game, Alain nailed me on the second day. I don't think that that really counts for much experience.

Anyway, Lupin, the problem with your logic is that we have absolutely nothing to go off of besides people looking wolfish. Telling us to ignore that is more or less equivalent to telling us to vote randomly, or to vote for other bullshit reasons, such as inactivity. Even if acting wolfish might not mean much on day one, it is all we have to go off of right now.

Oh, and you guys who are getting pissed off at this game are taking it way to seriously. Comon, the point of this game is to have fun, not to get mad at eachother and have hissy fits and such. I know, I probably am not helping things with the somewhat offensive tone of some of my posts, but this is just the way I act when I am really laid back :p

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 08:09 PM

*too. ;)

By the way, I may sound angry, but that is just the natural passive-aggressive tone I take. K.

HansSky

03-27-2005, 08:11 PM

Ok. After this I am done talking about it.

You can not base evidence off of a feeling. Why? Because it could be wrong. If I talk about this anymore I will get more pissed off than I already am.

QreepyBORIS

03-27-2005, 08:17 PM

Uhm.

We ahve had literally DOZENS of examples where people (evidentally) had evidence, and were wrong wrong wrong wrong WRONG.

So, how about we don't have any evidence, either?

Lupin_the_3rd

03-27-2005, 08:40 PM

Anyway, Lupin, the problem with your logic is that we have absolutely nothing to go off of besides people looking wolfish.

I consider there to be a difference between hard evidence and suspicious behaviour. I consider "wolfishness" to be something like bandwagoning onto a vote- something that isnt necessarily wolf behaviour. Then there's hard evidence, where the wolf messes up when saying something and finds themself in a pickle. Though wolfishness works sometimes, I don't even consider it during day one. I don't believe there would be any reason why a wolf would be obligated to do something suspicious day one.

Kilgamayan

03-27-2005, 10:05 PM

Guys, tone it down a bit, okay?

alainbryden

03-28-2005, 03:11 AM

Hey. I'm sorry for being so uninvolved. Ashamed really. I'll try to be better from now on. I'll leave it at that.

The first thing, is that I don't know where nforcer got his ideas from. I'm sorry if I agreed to something and wasn't paying attention, but I really was not hiding and upset from pointed fingers. As many mentioned, this certainly isn't me, and it's part of the game. I don't know what gave that impression or what made him think that I was "very clear" about it, but I'm not upset that I was brought up as a Tass killer.

I'll be honest, I've found it difficult to keep up. I've never seen such a fragmented day one. People aren't even all following the same trail, and are all off on their own arguments or being ignored.

I'm glad you're read into TPS' misrepresentation properly, although Lupin's pursuaision of the idea seems innapropriate to me. Lupin is the type of person who can make any idea sound good, because he's really spoken quite eloquently, but there's just no way that it is a good idea to get in the frame of mind of merely voting for the least active player. I know however that Lupin doesn't intend to hold onto this strategy because he's usually pretty good about being helpful to the humans and going with something when there's something to go on.

As far as the opinions on Kefit, so far he has been better about making himself clear and only as active as he normally is. I see an improvment in his readability and I don't see how you are coming up reading him as a wolf Qreepy. Perhaps it is because you haven't been in recent games to see everyone's latest game stlyles. I also agree with Hans that you should ignore your gut, because there are some players, like Kilga, Kefit and Jursey that just always set off my gut a little bit, and since it happens even in games where they aren't wolves, it's safe to say that it's just a result of their gameplay and you sould look for something better to work with.

Flypie if you were waiting for my answers to that comment you quoted, there really isn't one. It wasn't really twg related. Deltro, it seems to me popped in for a second, somewhat ruined my expectations for him, then dissapeared again so I'll wait for him to bounce back before considering his position.

I believe that's what I wanted to cover in reading the thread. I won't dissapear this time.

http://img32.exs.cx/img32/5913/15ly.jpg

nforcer06164

03-28-2005, 08:27 AM

How was I saving myself from being killed? I only had 1 vote against me when I posted. I remember something like this happening to me a while ago. People started bandwagoning me, and when I tried to defend myself, everyone said HE'S DEFENDING HIMSELF ONLY A WOLF WOULDN'T WANT TO GET LYNCHED. A human's role in the game is to find the wolves, and not get killed.

It seems that the main accusation on me is my post count, which has been mentioned several times. Is that really enough to have me condemmed?
I was trying to condemn you, flux. I wanted to get you out into the open and get you to TALK. You're new, you should try to have some input to help get things going. Lupin was right, all I was aiming for was getting you to talk. That's pretty much all the vote was for. I have no problem with your postcount.

I am going to go ahead and say Kefit, just because he is trying really hard to get people to gather on his opinion. That wasn't worded terribly well, but I think you might get the idea.

Also, were he a wolf, which I think he is, he has SO much experience in being a wolf without being noticed. He has what it takes to be a wolf, and he's bloody dangerous.
Evidence?

Not without being noticed in the GAME. That should be clear.

I mean that he has expertise in looking like a human when he really is not. And my gut tells me he is not. And if my gut is right, big win! If not, then ah. Well, that would suck a goood bit. But I am still convinced I am right.
Gut?

His subsequent posts have not struck me well, either.

What the hell, qreepy. If you're going to vote on someone with a bad reason, at least be consistent. You're intention on voting on "gut" does not seem right to me. You refuse to listen to Hans, who know very well what he's talking about. So what if you think Kefit is good at looking human when he's a wolf? Did you stop to think hemight look human because he might actually be human? You're reasoning and "gut" is completely unjustified.

nforcer06164

03-28-2005, 08:32 AM

Oh, and is it just me, or did anyone else forget blah was playing? He hasn't said a word since page 3.

flypie743

03-28-2005, 08:53 AM

And what about LD? He hasn't posted since page 1? Unless I am missing a random post from pages 2-7 :P

blahblah18

03-28-2005, 09:14 AM

Normally I would keep this to myself, but since I feel I've been so quiet so far, that I should allow all my ideas to be open to the public and then dissected so hopefully a wolf can be found.

My choice for who I'm going to vote for today rests in Four(4) people.
alain
amanda
lupin
nforcer

alain: Has been away, offers an excuse of personal problems... my issue isn't that he's been inactive but that he's personally stated that he hopes he gets wolfed... and now he's back in playing like everything's fine... you all my say i'm too critical, but that soudns like a guy that just got a free pass from day 1 voting and it doesn't sit well with me AT ALL
by the way, notice how alain's post was large but actually said nothing, notice that and think on it.

amanda: Has had a really funny and awkward vibe in all AIM convos i've had with her so far. She's coming off slightly odd, and made the point to mention that she wasn't listed initially in the people that i thought would kill tass, but then she feigns ignorance as to the reasoning or the implications of the list in conversation with her. She tried to convince me that she thought the list was a list of the best players and she felt shunned for not being on it, but that's complete bullcrap and I think that's fairly obvious. What really got me was her whole "seer me" comment. she's the player that won't be seered for a while, and I think she knows that. Hopefully I will be seered tonight still. But amanda knows she won't be seered tonight or for several nights, so by asking (dare I say pleading) to be seered, it is really just an INNOUCOUS little comment that shouldn't make one think "oh noes, she's def human" So her saying it works 2 ways as a wolf.
1. Seer sees her say that, takes it as value that she's human and doesn't seer her
2. Seer sees that, still realizes there are better people to seer anyway and doesn't seer her.
And even if her plan doesn't work out like that, well on the assumption that Tass was seered night 1 (Since no one has come to me and been like "hey i seered you you're human") if she is seered as a wolf, there's not much the seer can really do about it without having at least 1 other human in on it, and then not any human would do, it would have to be one smart and capable enough to influence voting to a known wolf without raising suspicion of a seer.

Lupin: Lupin is playing really stupidly and saying foolish things and then trying to stand by them religiously. Anyone that was in the chat last night also knows what i'm talking about. He mentioned that his whole "vote inactives" thing was to be a last-ditch effort but had no response when i said that it seemed that for a last-ditch effort it was all he was pushing and fighting for.... His only response was ot message me on AIM and say this

(PARAPHRASED)
(Lupin talking)
Well I know you're going to vote for me and knowing you, you'll try to get others to do the same. I just wanted to let you know that if I was a wolf, I'd be smart enough to not say so many stupid things already. Yes, there is evidence against me for you to use to get others to vote, but remember that if I was a wolf I wouldn't leave such evidence behind
(Me Talking)
That's your problem Lupin and what makes me suspicious of you. As a human I don't need to find reasons to get other people to vote you, I just need to try and find a wolf, NOT to try and find a reason to lynch you. Remember that, a wolf needs to find reasons to convince others, a HUMAN just needs to gather as much information he can glean and share it with everyone, exposing it to the light.
(END PARAPHRASE)
I think anyone can see some serious problems in this convo here and maybe someone smarter then myself can discern lupin's true meaning and objetive, but like I said, I just give you all the informatino I've gathered and let you all do what you will with it.

nForcer: He's been acting so odd, and there seems to be some fakeISH tenstion between him and Lupin that I can't decipher 100% yet. Lupin keeps mentioning nForcer's name as a scapegoat whenever anyone blames him for something E.G During flux's voting, lupin says "I didn't tralk about your inactivity, only nforcer did" etc... nForcer hasn't said anything contradictory about Lupin though, even while he's been attacked subtly MULTIPLE times... so regardless of lupin being human or wolf, this is definately suspicious behavior that I feel should be addressed. His vote for Qreepy also seems a bit sketchy as if he was waiting for an "obvious" reason to vote someone and then do it... its JUST LIKE BANDWAGONING, only a lotmore subtle... he's bandwagoning on an idea rather then on a person, because he knows most no one will disagree with the fact that what qreepy's doing is stupid... BUT REMEMBER THIS PEOPLE, wolves just need to kill any old human, Humans HAVE TO FIND THE WOLVES... so by qreepy taking a stand and placing a vote on kefeit when he has no votes on him and no suspicion or anything and offers a reason (his instinct) as to why he voted kefit.. that makes me think Qreepy is QUITE HUMAN. Its nforcer that took this as an opportunity to cast an easy vote that wouldn't (or so he thought) have any suspicion on it....

so there you go, the first post of the game that actually gives you all any informatino... I wish you guys would do some investigatory work of your own from time to time, but for now this is all I can present you. Use with it what you will, but please, I hope EVERYONE comments on it and begins to discuss a little more deeply the actions taken.

Also things to look for as future thought
1. Where has LD been and why hasn't he been more involved
2. Why is Hans getting so bent out of shape over something that shouldn't bother him at all?

EDIT: Also the reason I didn't vote is because I want people to take this information and decide for themselves what they think of it, not to be just herded around by my vote on it.

lightdarkness

03-28-2005, 09:45 AM

Just so you all know i'm not dead, i've been very busy with FFR stuff, and flypie can vouch for some of that stuff.

I'll re-read the entire thread and see if I can pull up something to go on.

HansSky

03-28-2005, 09:45 AM

Things that have been bothering me this game:

1. I think you guys should really try and back off of alain. He's likely been having difficulties outside of TWG, and really just hasn't found the mental time for it. He made a post, said he'll do better...hold that as evidence for tomorrow, if you will. But I think we have bigger fish to fry right now.

2. TPS/Lupin. Blah used a very good adjective to describe how determined they are to stay with this strategy. "Religiously". They have not changed their viewpoints one bit, and are pretty god damn stiff when it comes to changing their minds. TPS...I wouldn't expect anything less. Lupin, on the other hand, surprises me. I find him to be very smart, but this strategy is not smart. If you vote on(and god forbid LYNCH) inactives, then you have wasted a day. You get nowhere at all. You draw no reactions from anybody, simply because you have no reasoning at all. The reaction you draw is one you already have, by me/blah/amanda(maybe more, but I don't recall). We just sit here and call you stupid, and THAT gets us nowhere. Frustrating.

3. Qreepy, qreepy, qreepy. I offer you one bit of advice, and you call wolf on me? I told you anyone can back me up, you just have to ask. There's not much more I can say about this, except that you should probably take heed to what I have said. See: nforcer's vote.

That was really there to answer blah's question:

2. Why is Hans getting so bent out of shape over something that shouldn't bother him at all?

Maybe more to come later, but I want other people to post first.

Go.

stretchypanda

03-28-2005, 10:02 AM

It's interesting, Blah, because you fall at the top of my list of suspects. I'm not sure if making such a statement will condemn me further in your eyes or in the eyes of those who would follow you, but I have definitely received the same "vibes" from you as you have from me. I should clarify that my comment was a little joke, as I assumed you would guess, since you've known me long enough to know I am one hell of a smartass.

The other thing about you is something you mentioned over AIM. That you would most definitely not let Tass get off so easily. I'm sure you were being honest, but I have learned the hard way not to place my trust in you (Infiltration, anyone?)

However, you are following your usual pattern of calling people out (in hopes of provoking a slip? I'm not sure why you do it), so I'm inclined to believe you are just being suspicious, which I expect.

I need to change my vote, because I certainly do not want to see a strong player go quickly, so I'll toss a vote at Jursey, and look into some of my own "gut feelings" before the day ends.

EDIT: Good to see you back, Alain. Don't think this takes you off the hook. ; )

JurseyRider734

03-28-2005, 11:07 AM

Pander, I don't love you anymore :C

In response to blah's post:

I agree about alain's actions being weird, but I guess if we wanted to find out his alibi we could AIM him, but he wasn't able to follow and I don't think it's striking as "wolfish."

I haven't really talked about TWG much with Pander, so I wouldn't be able to tell if she was acting oddly or not. You're really the only one who can see this in the way she acts because it was a one on one convo with you and her. Maybe if you posted one of the convo's, it would be more informative. Her little joke about not being on the list just came across as a joke and I really don't think that there's much to go on for her.

TPS/Lupin...ah..Tps. What have we seen in the past? TPS screws himself over on Day 1 because he acts like an idiot and can't get his words out straight. I really don't think we have much to worry about on him because this is how he normally acts. Lupin, on the other hand, is acting oddly. I've played jTWGs with him before and he has never talked about voting off inactives. It does come across as strange and perhaps he is just looking for people to follow his lead and bandwagon off people who aren't talking.

nForcer, you don't talk to me on AIM anymore, you suck. Yeah, I see a lot of his posts and him and Lupin seem to be buddy/buddy on a lot of ideas, but I believe in some of his posts he comes up with good points and the only thing that comes across as wolfish to me is him following along with Lupin. Nothing terrible to worry about here, they are probably allied together on AIM or something. Or they could be wolf partners looking for an easy way to vote off inactives, but I really haven't seen that off of nForcer as much as Lupin.

Since I don't want to get a phantom, i'll just go with my highest instinct and vote for Lupin. It's my "gut feeling" that everyone else seems to have about someone combined with his sketchy behavior.

nforcer06164

03-28-2005, 11:10 AM

The reason I placed a vote on qreepy, and I think I mentioned it, that qreepy DID NOT even listen to Hans. Hans was, in fact, giving some very good advice on gut feelings. Qreepy's impled response was, "You're wrong, screw you, I can do whatever I want." If I was in his situation, I would have at least acknowledged his advice, and said something to the effect of, "You have a point there. I'll think about it some more and try to come up with something more solid." I don't know how placing a vote on qreepy because of his absurd behavior makes me suspicious.

Plus, there is no tension between me and Lupin, from what I can see. I've seen what he's said where I was involved, but I didn't see any kind of accusing behavior in what he said. Why respond when there's nothing to respond to?

alainbryden

03-28-2005, 11:35 AM

Me: As I said blah, my personal statement saying that I hope I get wolfed had nothing to do with the game and I understand that the statement cannot follow, therefore you should not be basing your suspicion on it. You, infact, did not make it clear to me how you that statement was such a fundamental part of your suspicion, just that it was in and of itself an off thing to say and I agree. In addition to this, I do not say nothing in my post. I say plenty, and plenty valid. If there is going to be someone like you finding every hint of misbehaviour in anyone, I at least balance it by giving plausible excuses for the most possible misconceptions, thus clearing a few names and adding a bit more order to the dissaray of mistrust.

Amanda: I can't say much about whatever your private conversations with stretch have told you except that it's evident that she wouldn't come off as particularily comfortable with you with the wolf vibes she openly says she gets from you. It's understandable, thus, that your conversations with her seem conceiling. She clearly would not share too much in terms of opinions with someone who she feels is her enemy. As for the pulling a tass thing, as Stretch, I believe, mentioned above, it was more of a statement of flare, as asking to be seen has never really been a tactful thing to do, and I'm sure, if asked, no seer has ever heeded such instructions as to alter their plans.

Lupin: For the amount of credit that you say you give to Lupin, I don't believe you actually do. You would see that this is a variation of other TWG strategies and what he is saying is not all that unreasonable at all. I know this is somewhat contradictory to what I have just said in my previous post but if you do think in terms of giving Lupin credit, nothig he has done will be detrimental to the humans, and certainly doesn't qualify him for a wolf list on its own. I would agree, however on your further suspicion placed in his confrontation with you claiming initially that he "knew you were going to vote for him," as though making out any such decision you make to be a predictably unreasonable one. This is, of course, presuming your paraphrasing is correct. Quote's are preferable as everything is dependent on context.

Nforcer: Much of what you say about nforcer's actions being suspicious in your topic are circumstantial under the initial presumption that he is a wolf. If you describe it in a different light it does not have to seem that way. The effect of your topic is to say, [if nforcer were a wolf, then he would be doing this for these wolfish reasons. That makes him seem like a wolf.] Your illustrated connection between him and Lupin is also circumstantial on the supposition of them perhaps being wolf partners, and pointing out ways that they could be attempting to seem unconnected, but not really damage eachother. I also think this is not reasonable if presented under more objective premises, so I'm let to conlude that most of your suspicion for nforcer, as many of your suspiciouns for other characters, is largely gut feeling drawn from ambiguous connections you have made in the progression of the thread by the frame of mind you read it in.

I will vouch for LD's business with other FFR mattrers as well, although I do not know the specifics of them, I've encountered him many times in the process of working, and know he's been doing lots of it.

What hans is bent out of shape about is how he more or less had to repeat himself in three subsequent posts, each time trying to be more concise so that he would actually be read. Even I noticed this. Those involved in the argument were reiterating their point in new detail each time without answering to the one point he was trying to make:

If you have a feeling, don't just vote from the feeling, at least try to identify what it is that gives you this feeling.

Hans, You should also heed the advice I gave on Lupin. As for TPS, I'm pretty sure everyone's on the right track. We've had enough experience with that.

*For timing reference this post was compiled only with consideration to coments preceding Jursey's post.*

QreepyBORIS

03-28-2005, 11:40 AM

Ah, actually, there was no real implied response. It was pretty direct: "I can basically do what I want."

And there is no real way to just up and "come up with something more solid", last time I checked. Someone has to say something that is not. And someone did, and I used the opportunity.

Unless you do not think it is solid enough. But wait a sec, nforcer, look around you. ALMOST EVERY PERSON HERE has voted against someone because they were simply AWAY and BUSY. One or two people are voting Lupin because he is "sketchy". That is not fucking specific, man. Are you just trying to single me out to jump on an easy target, or what? If not, what else could it BE?

Consider it, and I also suggest you think about it more, and come up with something more solid.

nforcer06164

03-28-2005, 12:14 PM

Ness, you get YOSHI!'s random vote.

Not because of away or busy. LD's typical first-day random vote.

I dunno, Eb's activity seems moderatley suspicious, that's all I've got now.

Not because of away or busy. Deltro did ignore our warning on how eb always looks suspicious, but I don't blame him for voting on odd behavior.

Although it didn't have much to do with the actual game, blah's post put up a red flag for me for some reason. There doesn't seem to be much else real being said that can be concrete for a vote.

Not because of away or busy. He saw something strange about blah's post. Funny, the same thing happened to me, because it seemed out of place. He decided to vote on it, though I didn't think it was condemnable.

Thus, since Qreepy has posted, and I have reconsidered my view on that idea, mainly because of thinking over what EB said, and some doubts in my own mind, I am sticking to my above stated innactive strategy, I'm not going for a wolf on day 1, like most of you are, I'm waiting for the game to develop more, with more evidence, seerings, and slip-ups for voting seriously on someone. Thus, my vote goes to Flux. He onlu has 1 post, and in that post, he gave no credible information for voting for Blah. He is the least active, so nothing personal.

Not because of away or busy. TPS believed flux did not give credible information for voting blah. I agree with him. That was the basis for his vote. The fact that he is inactive was an afterthought, obviously. That no longer applies because flux has posted since then.

Right now Lupin gets my vote, due to the amount of bullshit in his last post combined with his continued push to lynch Flux (by the way, humans usually don't have a good reason to strongly push for a specfic lynch day one, whereas a wolf, who knows who all the humans and wolves are, does). We should ignore wolfish things he says? So we should ignore everything which allows the humans to win this game? The only people that such a strategy helps is the wolves.

Not because of away or busy. Kefit voted for Lupin because he was saying things he normally doesn't say, and some bad strategies he presented.

I need to change my vote, because I certainly do not want to see a strong player go quickly, so I'll toss a vote at Jursey, and look into some of my own "gut feelings" before the day ends.

Not because of away or busy. Stretchy had a vote on alain previously, revoked because she did not want to see someone like alain die. Jursey has practically no chance of being killed, so, to avoid killing off a "power player", she switched to one with zero suspicion in case he is in danger. Understandable.

TPS/Lupin...ah..Tps. What have we seen in the past? TPS screws himself over on Day 1 because he acts like an idiot and can't get his words out straight. I really don't think we have much to worry about on him because this is how he normally acts. Lupin, on the other hand, is acting oddly. I've played jTWGs with him before and he has never talked about voting off inactives. It does come across as strange and perhaps he is just looking for people to follow his lead and bandwagon off people who aren't talking.

Since I don't want to get a phantom, i'll just go with my highest instinct and vote for Lupin. It's my "gut feeling" that everyone else seems to have about someone combined with his sketchy behavior.

Not because of away or busy. Lupin, in her view, is acting odd. He's not behaving like himself. The "gut feeling" was added in because of this evidence she found. Justified.

Okay, nobody has been voted for mainly because they are away or busy. Only one person voted for Lupin because of "sketchy" behavior, which was obviously just a poor choice of words, if you actually read the post Jursey made. Obviously, you only assumed, and you were wrong. Unless you thought nobody will call your bluff and counter you.

Well, way to back yourself into a corner, qreepy. You have a bit of explaining to do.

evilbutterfly

03-28-2005, 12:22 PM

Well, I'm not really sure when the day ends, and I'm about to walk off and do some stuff, so I better get my vote in now. Lupin has been bothering me for quite some time. I can't remember who it was I was talking to (I think it was Amanda, we were complaining about stupidity in the chat), but they said that TPS's not-so-great idea could easily be picked up by a wolf and used to try and hurt the humans. I think that may be what's happened with Lupin. He's taken TPS's idea and pushed it like crazy, despite everybody saying it's not good. And then the excuse of "well a wolf would be more careful" is complete crap. Knowing that means you know that if you act crazy as a wolf you can use that as cover, which you seem to be doing. Also, Lupin pissed me off right away by saying how we'll never get a human day 1. As you may know, I hate defeatism, so I really hate Lupin's attitude right now.

Not the best reasons for a vote, but what the hell, it's Day 1. I'm just voting now so I can walk away and do homework and play games (if I ever finish my work =\ ) and not have to worry about maybe getting a phantom if I don't come back in time.

QreepyBORIS

03-28-2005, 12:23 PM

Note how you omitted about have of the OTHER votes cast by the players.

Trying too hard to win an argument? What have YOU got to lose?

evilbutterfly

03-28-2005, 12:27 PM

Also, Lupin pissed me off right away by saying how we'll never get a human day 1

never get a wolf**

And I'd just like to say, Qreepy is super-combative in TWG, or so it seems. I find it amusing.

nforcer06164

03-28-2005, 12:28 PM

Note how you omitted about have of the OTHER votes cast by the players.

Trying too hard to win an argument? What have YOU got to lose?

Sorry, that's all the votes that stand right now, qreepy, minus the one eb just cast. Maybe you're trying too hard to win an argument. Remember that squabble with Hans?

QreepyBORIS

03-28-2005, 12:32 PM

Yes, and what was wrong with that squabble?

Oh, and another thing: You are saying I am wrong, right?

Well, the person who is wrong has no explaining to do. They cannot explain how and why they are wrong, right? So, get to explaining.

Oh, I love the omission of TPS's vote for me.because I was away. And those for alain because he was away (seriously, when they say that he is SUSPICIOUS because he is away means that they are voting because they are away).

And also, voting for someone because they are "suspicious" is as bullshit a reason as, say, voting for someone because they are black. Poor analogy, but I am sure you get the idea.

nforcer06164

03-28-2005, 12:49 PM

Yes, and what was wrong with that squabble?

Oh, I dunno. You refused to listen to Hans who had some good advice. What appalling attention skills you have.

Oh, and another thing: You are saying I am wrong, right?

I couldn't have made it any clearer, could I? How perceptive.

Well, the person who is wrong has no explaining to do. They cannot explain how and why they are wrong, right? So, get to explaining.

You haven't explained anything. Good job.

Oh, I love the omission of TPS's vote for me.because I was away. And those for alain because he was away (seriously, when they say that he is SUSPICIOUS because he is away means that they are voting because they are away).

Wow, noticed how I was only using currently standing votes? And before, you said NEARLY EVERY VOTE. How many is that if I included past votes, 2? Out of how many qreepy, how many? Not to mention they don't even COUNT anymore?

And also, voting for someone because they are "suspicious" is as bullshit a reason as, say, voting for someone because they are black. Poor analogy, but I am sure you get the idea.

We vote for people because they are suspicious. We are suspicious that someone may be a wolf, and we vote for that suspicious person in hopes that their suspicious behavior indicates that they in actuality are a wolf.

Your ignorance is absolutely horrible. You did not respond to my accusations at all. I did not omit any votes, save past votes, and that was certainly not "have". You're trying to turn everything I say around on me, and if you're trying to make me look like I'm wrong, well, you're doing a horrible job. But your absolutely blatant ignorance is now thoroughly pissing me off, so I refuse to argue my points any further with you after this. All I wanted to do was make sure everybody else saw that, and the fact that they will is comforting enough to me.

I won't be pushing you to explain yourself any further, so calm down, read everything over thoroughly again, and for all our sakes, THINK before you post again.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-28-2005, 01:10 PM

I've played jTWGs with him before and he has never talked about voting off inactives. It does come across as strange and perhaps he is just looking for people to follow his lead and bandwagon off people who aren't talking.

Uh yeah, the premise of day one of last jTWG was to "lynch" rsr2 because he was dead weight. I got the contradictions I knew would come, and I saw patterns with voting and bandwagoning. Notice how I also didn't lynch rsr2 that game. I figured the small chance that it would get him playing would be worth it (luckily he was replaced). Daniellewis sided with me, which got me rather suspicious. Well as it went, that night I seered Danlewis as a wolf, and then the game fell to pieces for the wolves, with only 2 humans dying the entire game. Me using this tactic is not new.

I think you're still misunderstanding, blah. My original "plan" was to lynch an inactive if we didnt have anything better to go on. I thought that this would help to discourage a wolf for remaining in the shadows for the rest of the game (and don't tell me it hasn't happened before).

I only mentioned Nforcer once, maybe twice at most, and I certainly did not make him a scapegoat. I merely stated that it was odd that Nforcer thought flux was a wolf, after only two posts.

Religiously committed to my plan is hardly the adverb I would use to describe my actions. I put out my opinions about what to do day one, I get attacked (expected), create controversy. People finally started talking and posting their opinions/taking sides. If anything, if I am a wolf, you have me to thank later on in the game. Hans, how can you say I evoked no emotional response by putting out that theory? 4 or 5 pages have been written since I first brought that out, mostly about my "plan". If that's not a response, I don't know what is.

Blah, paraphrasing is a terrible way to portray information, as we're seeing your interpretation of the conversation, twisting things ever so slightly.

Well I know you're going to vote for me and knowing you, you'll try to get others to do the same. I just wanted to let you know that if I was a wolf, I'd be smart enough to not say so many stupid things already. Yes, there is evidence against me for you to use to get others to vote, but remember that if I was a wolf I wouldn't leave such evidence behind

Actual conversation:

Legat0bluesummrs: because I have a feeling you're going to rally to lynch me
Legat0bluesummrs: well, you actually already said you were going to vote
mastr414: i say a lot of things
mastr414: there's a rela interesting dichotomy
mastr414: centered on you nforcer kefit and hans
Legat0bluesummrs: I know there's a wolf out of one of us
Legat0bluesummrs: either that, or a bunch of completely polar humans
mastr414: i know figuring the right side can give me all3 wolve
Legat0bluesummrs: well not quite
mastr414: yes
mastr414: for me
Legat0bluesummrs: You honestly think that a wolf sticks side by side with their buddies?
mastr414: im' not sayign 2 or 3 are wolve
mastr414: i'm saying only 1 can be
mastr414: but knowing one
mastr414: can make it esy to figure out the rest
Legat0bluesummrs: even after just day one?
mastr414: it helps a shitload
Legat0bluesummrs: I would think you need more history
mastr414: you'd be surprised
Legat0bluesummrs: well anyways, if you do intend to take me down, know this
Legat0bluesummrs: I could have easily avoided this whole thing as a wolf
mastr414: i don't intend on taking you down
mastr414: i intend on finding a wolf on day 1
mastr414: i seem to be one of the few oens trying to do that
Legat0bluesummrs: yeah, but even I admit there is some decent evidence you could use against me
mastr414: sure therte is
mastr414: but
mastr414: i'm not a wolf
mastr414: so i'm not looking for evidence to swing votes on you with
mastr414: i'm looking to find a wolf
mastr414: not find someone i can lynch

You're not looking for evidence to swing votes, but...you are. I seem to be the center of this whole contraversy, and the majority of your post just seems awkward. I would think you would realize the subjectivity of paraphrasing.

So basically in conclusion, if I was a wolf, would I honestly put myself under this amount of pressure? I'm getting voted upon, and being attacked. Is this really a good plan for a wolf on day one? Hell, if I was a wolf, this would be my free day off. Watch the humans bicker with a smile on. People that know how I play know that this is not unusual behaviour for me. Unusual behaviour? Yes. Uncharacteristic? No.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-28-2005, 01:24 PM

nForcer, you don't talk to me on AIM anymore, you suck. Yeah, I see a lot of his posts and him and Lupin seem to be buddy/buddy on a lot of ideas, but I believe in some of his posts he comes up with good points and the only thing that comes across as wolfish to me is him following along with Lupin. Nothing terrible to worry about here, they are probably allied together on AIM or something. Or they could be wolf partners looking for an easy way to vote off inactives, but I really haven't seen that off of nForcer as much as Lupin.

Unfortunately, the first time I've imed nforcer this whole game was about 5 minutes ago. What you say about nforcer and me being wolf pals is the equivalent of saying that kefit and I being wolf pals due to the disagreement we had on wolfish behaviour.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-28-2005, 01:32 PM

This day is ending soon, so I might as well submit the only true evidence I have before I get a phantom.

I have to agree with Lupin, though. He said to vote of the weakest link. If they aren't going to make a good contribution to the game by talking at all, then they most likely aren't going to help in the future. Chances are, they could be a wolf, and are trying to fly under the radar so that no one will suspect them. I know that i haven't been contributing that much, but see the reason above ^. I'll be able to do a lot for the next week considering I don't have to go to school. The only one that's standing out is TPS, but that is to be expected considering he acts stupid every game. It would kind of help if more people were talking so that we could have more opinions, and maybe something to go off of.

Next day

TPS/Lupin...ah..Tps. What have we seen in the past? TPS screws himself over on Day 1 because he acts like an idiot and can't get his words out straight. I really don't think we have much to worry about on him because this is how he normally acts. Lupin, on the other hand, is acting oddly. I've played jTWGs with him before and he has never talked about voting off inactives. It does come across as strange and perhaps he is just looking for people to follow his lead and bandwagon off people who aren't talking.
nForcer, you don't talk to me on AIM anymore, you suck. Yeah, I see a lot of his posts and him and Lupin seem to be buddy/buddy on a lot of ideas, but I believe in some of his posts he comes up with good points and the only thing that comes across as wolfish to me is him following along with Lupin. Nothing terrible to worry about here, they are probably allied together on AIM or something. Or they could be wolf partners looking for an easy way to vote off inactives, but I really haven't seen that off of nForcer as much as Lupin.

Since I don't want to get a phantom, i'll just go with my highest instinct and vote for Lupin. It's my "gut feeling" that everyone else seems to have about someone combined with his sketchy behavior.

awww, I thought you liked my idea before Jursey. I guess things change when someone's popular opinion is going down.

blahblah18

03-28-2005, 01:49 PM

based on my post and responses to the post and my own personal thoughts and opinions, I'm actually going to vote nForcer

HansSky

03-28-2005, 01:49 PM

Totally ripped off guide from stretchy's totally ripped off guide version 1.4

Lupin (3): Kefit, Jursey, eb
Jursey (2): Lupin, panda
Qreepy (1): nforcer
AlainBryden (1): lightdarkness
evilbutterfly (1): deltronumbernumber
BlahBlahnumber (1): flux_
flux_ (1): TPS
Kefit (1): Qreepy
nforcer (1): blah

Not voted yet: alain, hans, flypie

blahblah18

03-28-2005, 02:11 PM

NotSoFarOff: nforcer06164 (5:17:31 PM): it looks like blah and qreepy are connected
nforcer06164 (5:17:34 PM): o.o
NotSoFarOff (5:17:41 PM): How so?
nforcer06164 (5:18:00 PM): well, notice how he condemned me in his post on page 7 for voting qreepy
nforcer06164 (5:18:16 PM): because voting on a gut feeling makes qreepy human somehow.
nforcer06164 (5:18:27 PM): Now, I pulled a crapload of stuff on qreepy
nforcer06164 (5:18:45 PM): and people have analyzed blah's accusations and defended me left and right
nforcer06164 (5:18:51 PM): and he just places a vote on me
nforcer06164 (5:19:07 PM): like, with almost no explanation
nforcer06164 (5:19:36 PM): I have the feeling that maybe both are wolves.
nforcer06164 (5:19:39 PM): any thoughts?
mastr414: ha
mastr414: that's so hilarious
mastr414: god i have to tell hiim he's not fucking around with a 4 year old
NotSoFarOff: Its not completely proposterous.
mastr414: yes it is
mastr414: he misses the reasoning
mastr414: the erason for his vote is this
mastr414: what i posted before
mastr414: and the fact that he continues to attack qreepy
mastr414: of course qreepyt is comepletely wrong
mastr414: but we all fuckign see that
mastr414: why is he BEATING A DEAD HORSE
mastr414: that's the key idea
NotSoFarOff: You make me happy.
mastr414: he's only doing what in his mind would be the MOST HUMAN characteristic he can find
mastr414: how so?
NotSoFarOff: You reassure me of your humanity every time I talk to you.

HansSky

03-28-2005, 02:58 PM

::sigh:

I've been holding back my vote, trying to get the best possible candidate, hear everyone's side of the story. Its been one hell of a day, the most productive day 1 I've ever seen. But I've had my eye on Lupin since he started defending TPS. His defense seems solid enough...

But anyone can defend themself. What's important is how he acted before he defended himself, and that's all that matters.

QreepyBORIS

03-28-2005, 03:03 PM

Haha, I am not connected with blah, unless he hijacked LEGO's account and all the running stuff we talk about is TWG slang, somehow. :P

I have not talked to ANYONE about TWG on AIM, at ALL. Which is kinda making me nervous, to be honest. All the other times that I got left out of the AIM convos, well, it wasn't great for me, to suffice.

And I may be wrong. But it is the least risky vote I can make, thanks. Because see, I think I may be right, and I have very, very VERY mixed feeling about all of the other people--Even much more than with Kefit.

K.

This horse ain't dead yet!

JurseyRider734

03-28-2005, 03:05 PM

Yeah Lupin, nice job trying to get a revenge vote on me. Notice how I somewhat defended your point of view BEFORE everyone started stating what would happen if we did go along with your plan. Its called CHANGING YOUR MIND. I saw Han's point in the "Woops, we killed the seer! Whoops, we killed the psychic!" thing and realized that voting off inactives would hurt more than help.

awww, sorry that I don't agree with you anymore Lupin.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-28-2005, 03:05 PM

I see where you're coming from, hans, but I definitely would not have clung to TPS if he were in trouble, and I were a wolf. Why would I, as a wolf, ride upon TPS's previous failures in order to...succeed? Truly, I believed there was some merit to what TPS had to say, though there is one small discrepancy between the two of our ideas. While I admit, this is the most "wolfish" I've ever acted, I scoff at the idea of me defending a doomed human as a wolf.

evilbutterfly

03-28-2005, 03:09 PM

I have not talked to ANYONE about TWG on AIM, at ALL.

Go in the TWG XIII chat that has been mentioned several times. It's dead a lot of the time, but sometimes it gets busy and helpful.

stretchypanda

03-28-2005, 03:51 PM

One hour left, let's see some votes, people.

I'm going for flypie. She's been relatively active in the thread, but hasn't contributed a damn thing, to my recollection. I could be totally wrong, but whatever. Last vote change of the day.

flypie743

03-28-2005, 03:57 PM

I'm going for flypie. She's been relatively active in the thread, but hasn't contributed a damn thing, to my recollection. I could be totally wrong, but whatever. Last vote change of the day.

I think I have contributed what I felt needed contributing. Did you want me to repeat everything that everyone else said?

So heck why not, Stretchypanda

alainbryden

03-28-2005, 03:59 PM

God damn flypie, if you're going to play like that, don't play at all. What a shitty shitty revenge vote. If you were really using your head you might point out, as blah has to me, that what stretch did very subtly puts Lupin ahead in the race 4 to 1. It seems manipulative.

flypie743

03-28-2005, 04:14 PM

I know. She said in the chat she wasn't going to keep her vote on Jurs and it was a joke vote or something I dunno.

Why not vote for her? I don't feel that anyone else deserves my vote and I was going to throw it away anyway.

alainbryden

03-28-2005, 04:20 PM

That's absurd. Read the thread. The only thing you're throwing away is your chances at future TWGs.

flypie743

03-28-2005, 04:31 PM

I have read the thread. Multiple times. Her vote was a throw away vote, too. I feel that I have contributed a fair amount and not many other people contributed more.

My vote stands unless you want me to bandwagon.

deltro300111

03-28-2005, 04:36 PM

nForcer Due to his overly active prescence in/on obvious issues.

evilbutterfly

03-28-2005, 04:42 PM

Talked to some people....nforcer seems more bad than Lupin. I don't like his strat, which he says he's used in the past (in jTWG, no doubt, which I wouldn't know about). Plus, the whole nforcer Qreepy thing has been distracting, which is bad for us, and is what a wolf would wanna do. nforcer seems to be pushing that more, Qreepy seems to just be pushing EVERYTHING....

I think I may just be way too easily convinced of humanity. I don't wanna vote for anybody anymore ;_;

I think this just ties things though, so we'll let chance decide, I guess.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-28-2005, 04:42 PM

Ok, I'm voting nForcer. This may look like bandwagoning and saving my own skin, but you know what, I'm human, and people have neglected to look at the evidence that I'm human, rather than wolf. It happens in every game, and it's important that you look at both sides of the story. I have my own personal reasons for voting him, including a conversation I had with him where he suddenly liked all my ideas. His persistance on the idiocy of qreepy isn't helping us, and it's quite clear we know qreepy is acting strange, but not like that of a wolf.

Kilgamayan

03-28-2005, 04:43 PM

5 minute warning.

lightdarkness

03-28-2005, 04:43 PM

I haven't been able to read over the entire thread, but I think i'm going to keep my vote on my random vote. I've been so busy that I can't keep up with this game, but i'll try to be more active on day 2 :-)

nforcer06164

03-28-2005, 04:44 PM

Well, I can't let myself just die. Sorry, Lupin, I guess this is up to chance.

alainbryden

03-28-2005, 04:45 PM

I've been with eb and Lupin on this one. Lupin acted exactly human and now it's time to save his ass. I find nforcer has been active as always but as an exception lacks purpose and clarity in his posts. They are more long for the point of being long. Thus I'm in on nforcer

Kilgamayan

03-28-2005, 04:48 PM

Time's up!

flypie743

03-28-2005, 04:49 PM

Sums up my feelings:
flypie743: you have 2 minutes to convince me you are not a wolf
nforcer06164: I can't that's the thing
nforcer06164: go with your gut
flypie743: but I don't think Lupin is a wolf either
flypie743: that's the thing
flypie743: I don't feel right voting for either one of you. I think both of you are human

nforcer06164

03-28-2005, 04:49 PM

Nice job, guys. Give the wolves a better chance at a win. You'll be sorry in the end.

Kilgamayan

03-28-2005, 05:13 PM

nforcer (5): blah, deltro, eb, Lupin, alain
Lupin (4): Kefit, Jursey, Hans, nforcer
Qreepy (1): nforcer
alain (1): lightdarkness
blah (1): Flux
Flux (1): TPS
Kefit (1): Qreepy
flypie (1): stretchy
stretchy (1): flypie

---

Roy backed himself into a corner and drew his sword. "What the hell, guys! First detainment, and now this? I don't think so! I'll get out of this crazy place if I have to kill everyone who gets in my way!"

Ganondorf raised his hand, and a bolt of dark lightning struck the sword, knocking it out of Roy's hand. "Pfft, pathetic. I have too much experience against that type of weapon for it to be of any use to you. You got picked, so out the door your ass goes."

Roy made a lightning dash for a door out of the bridge but Falco tripped him and pinned him to the ground. "Where do you think you're going, huh?"

Roy was furious as he was tied up. "Damn every last one of you! You'll all regret this, I guarantee it!"

However, no one seemed to be in a rush to kill him. "Um, I don't think I could bring myself to do this...", Zelda said, and most everyone agreed.

Fox decided their captor's fate. "Guess it's back to the air lock. Miss Aran, since you're already in a suit, would you do the honors?"

Roy's eyes went wide, and he made muffled noises against his gag as Samus dragged him to the air lock. She opened the door, and told him "Sorry, but we have to do what we have to do." Then she unceremoniously threw him into space and closed the door.

Samus came back to the main bridge, where everyone was waiting. "Well, I didn't like doing it, but it's done."

There was an awkward silence, and Peppy decided the best course of action. "I think you all need to get around the ship and do something to take your minds off what just happened. Take a nap, find something recreational to do, just don't stand here and mope. You'll only feel worse."

Everyone agreed, and the crowd scattered all over the ship.

---

lightdarkness (Yoshi)
blahblah18 (Fox)
flypie743 (Captain Falcon)
JurseyRider734 (Peach)
Lupin_the_Third (Donkey Kong)
HansSky (Falco)
evilbutterfly (Kirby)
Tps222 (Ganondorf)
alainbryden (Ness)
flux_ (Dr. Mario)
QreepyBORIS (Pikachu)
deltro300111 (Zelda)
stretchypanda (Samus)
Kefit (Ice Climbers)

14 of you left. Let's hope you made the right choice.

It is now Night 2. PMs from all that I require them of, please.

Kilgamayan

03-28-2005, 05:44 PM

Also note that nforcer is still offering the full SSBM soundtrack to everyone who wants it.

Kilgamayan

03-28-2005, 08:16 PM

After spending some time on an exercise bike, Captain Falcon grabbed a towel and wiped the sweat of his face. He decided that a quick nap felt like a great idea right now.

Upon reaching the bedroom hall, he found out that taking a nap hadn't been the best idea for everyone on board.

Ness lay unmoving in the hallway a blank look in his eyes, all life seemingly gone from his body.

"Whoa, holy shit!"

Falcon's cries alerted the two or three other guests that were currently taking naps, and as each of them came out their shock was no less than his.

Several minutes later, everyone had reconvened on the bridge.

"I'm not picking up anything at all. No thoughts, no life signs, no nothing. He's nothing but a shell now." Krystal said. "And this boy was a powerful psychic, wasn't he? What in the world kind of power are we dealing with here?"

Popo spoke up. "Great, now what do we do?"

"It seems our job's not done here. We're still got some dark matters to attend to." Peppy said.

---

lightdarkness (Yoshi)
blahblah18 (Fox)
flypie743 (Captain Falcon)
JurseyRider734 (Peach)
Lupin_the_Third (Donkey Kong)
HansSky (Falco)
evilbutterfly (Kirby)
Tps222 (Ganondorf)
flux_ (Dr. Mario)
QreepyBORIS (Pikachu)
deltro300111 (Zelda)
stretchypanda (Samus)
Kefit (Ice Climbers)

It is now Day 2, and alainbryden has been killed. There are 13 remaining players. 7 votes for one player results in an insta-lynch. You have 72 hours to vote.

Good luck.

Tps222

03-28-2005, 08:22 PM

He asked for it, which was weird. Was there supposed to be a guardian protecting him, or did he really not care about the game. The wolves are obviously going after power-players.

blahblah18

03-28-2005, 08:24 PM

ugh... and wtf TPS... you disappear and are now magicallllly back

Kilgamayan

03-28-2005, 08:27 PM

OOC:

And because I forgot to mention it, this topic title was for you, Qreepy. ;D

lightdarkness

03-28-2005, 08:40 PM

Holy crap.

Whats the deal with the seer this game, has an alliance started?

Tps222

03-28-2005, 08:51 PM

No, it's called having a life there Blah. I was out all Easter with relatives, then I had school today, track, followed immediately by religion, then having to go straight to my mom's work to get something, then getting home to see the round over, I have been on AIM all night.

flypie743

03-29-2005, 05:56 AM

I hope an alliance has started. It would be pretty bad if the seer decided to see Tass Night 1 and Alain Night 2 since they are both "power players". Even though alain is a power player, he wasn't very active until the last few hours of Day 1. If I was a wolf it would seem to me that he wasn't really involved with any type of alliance. However, maybe they wanted to kill him off before he got involved in an alliance. Or the wolves could've thought that alain was hiding something (this was bought up before from someone, I don't remember who).

HansSky

03-29-2005, 09:19 AM

Great. Now one of my better alliances was killed off. Fantastic.

evilbutterfly

03-29-2005, 12:27 PM

QreepyBORIS

03-29-2005, 02:18 PM

OOC:

And because I forgot to mention it, this topic title was for you, Qreepy. ;D

Hunh? :(

And alain geting wolfed does not really bring up any obvious people, or eliminate any possibilities, either.

Kefit did it. D:

blahblah18

03-29-2005, 04:16 PM

ok, here's how its going down... lots fo lying, lots of messed up stories i've unraveled... all involving HANS and PANDA... the biggest lie caught though comes from JURS I'll figure out who's the originator of it soon enough... if any of you 3 have anything more to add please tell me... guardian, keep me alive please... oh shit , actually guardian, I beg of you to contact me... if you feel you can trust me... god damn this is absurd

blahblah18

03-29-2005, 04:31 PM

ok, in summation...
STORY LEAKED DURING DAY 2, STORY WAS THAT AMANDA WAS THE SEER.... THIS WAS A FABRICATION.
SHE TOLD HANS AND HANS ONLY. I GO TO JURS AND BE LIKE "HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME.. .THE SEER TOLD ME YOU'RE A WOLF"
SHE'S LIKE "THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT... THE SEER MUST BE A WOLF" i RESPOND... "EVA ITS TRUE... I'M THE SEER" SHE GOES
"BULLSHIT, PANDA'S THE SEER"

SO NOW I'M LIKE WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON. I GO TTO PANDA AND HANS, THEY BOTH SWEAR THEY TOLD NO ONE ELSE.
JURS SAYS SHE OVERHEARD IT IN A CHAT... I ASK WHO'S IN THE CHAT, SHE SAYS IT WAS SMALL AND SHE CAN'T REMEMBER BUT SHE THINKS ALAIN WAS IN IT... CLEARLY ALAIN COULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN ANY CHAT DISCUSSING PANDA BEING A SEER SINCE WE CREATED THIS STORY TODAY, AFTER HE DIED..

SO JURS IS LYING TO ME, AND ONE OF PANDA OR HANS IS LYING TO ME...
THAT EXPLAINS MY VOTE

Edit: vote is still jurs obviously, i'll unbold Alain's name

flux_

03-29-2005, 04:42 PM

Ever think that maybe Alain was the seer, and his "I hope I get wolfed" comment was to make the wolves not want to kill him? In my experience with the game, the wolves always go for people who beg not to die (like me :P). Also, Alain has a habit of doing strange things to avoid wolfings, like when he purposely acted very suspicious so that he'd get a votes and make the wolves hope he'd be lynched off. Maybe this was another strange strategy of his to stay alive because he had something to protect? I'd like to think otherwise, but it's possible he was a special role =\

I really hope that if Alain was the seer, he wouldn't do something to radical to severly jeopordise the existence of the seer, especially if there wasn't really any suspicion on him and if he has a history of trying to avoid being killed by using tactics like that.

Sorry I haven't posted for a few pages. I was in DC all day yesterday and school today. I read through all the pages and I have a few suspicions.

lightdarkness

03-29-2005, 08:41 PM

I'm not really sure what to make of blah's accusations. I'd like all parties involved to post their side of the story before I make a vote.

blahblah18

03-29-2005, 08:43 PM

I would too, but guess what ALL went silent... I wonnnnder why

flux_

03-30-2005, 03:58 AM

It seems the guilty party(ies) are hanging back to see everyone else's reaction to the accusation, while everyone is hanging to back to make a decision/vote after reading the accused's responses.
SOMEONE is going to need to do some explaining soon.

HansSky

03-30-2005, 06:28 AM

Alright, someone needs to post something, so I guess I'll go first.

YESTERDAY, Panda tells me she's a blue. Not what, just a blue. I tell alain, and that's it.

Blah tries to pull this last minute shit(or was completely screwing with my head, one or the other) to try and lynch panda. He asks my opinion on it, and naturally, I am very reluctant to tell him anything, because I'm wary of his humanity. He finally asks me if I would be willing to lynch her, I said no. He asks why, I finally tell her because she says she's a blue(I'm sorry I don't have the exact conversation, but my history is really screwed up right now with AIM+, so bare with me).

Then he starts saying stuff like "Oh, she told you too?" Immediate WTF sign. As far as I know, she told nobody but me. Unless she is creating the biggest lie conceived in TWG, I'm very sure I'm the only one she told. So I start accusing blah, and then he backs off, saying that alain told him.

Today, panda tells me she's the seer. I tell blah.

Now, what's going on with Jurs, I think this is damning enough evidence for a lynch. IF blah is right, then either me or panda is a wolf. I only told blah and alain of her being a role of any type, and that's it. Panda swears that she told nobody else, also.

PROBLEM: Somehow Jurs thinks that panda is the seer?

DEFENSE in BOTH my and panda's case:

Blah is not definitely right. If Jurs is a wolf, she would do ANYTHING to cover her ass. Blah pulls fake seer shit on her, and she pulls panda out of her ass. Not quite. Remember the other part of this equation before today? ALAIN. Alain knew, and I am very sure that they were in contact. Alain could have told Jurs that panda was a blue, and Jurs used that in her defense, as I'm sure any wolf would do they when they know their fucked. Without even knowing if panda really was the seer or not, she took any chance that she could to save herself.

But if I'm completely wrong about this, then blah is right. And if blah is right, then either panda or myself is a wolf.

Now I'm done.

stretchypanda

03-30-2005, 06:53 AM

WAITAMINUTE.

So, Blah's working with me against Hans, and with Hans against me?

Okay, kids, I have an hour between classes, during which I need a shower and have to finish some homework. When I get back, I'll have something worked out.

stretchypanda

03-30-2005, 10:20 AM

OKAY.

So, I'll come right out and confess that I am the guardian. The only person who I've actually told is Blah. Hans guessed that I was blue, but I would not tell him what blue I am.. Hans apparently passed this information on to Alain.

The other day Alain came to me saying Hans had a feeling Alain was the next wolf target. He did not come right out and say, "Hey, Amanda, guard me," but that was his subtext.

log4u:
[17:30] NEIGH006: Chris said his spidey senses are tingling on me dying tonight
[17:31] Iike a ritz: You mean getting wolfed?
[17:31] NEIGH006: That what chris said he was thinking
[17:31] NEIGH006: He usually only tells me his gut feeling
[17:31] NEIGH006: or so he tells me
[17:31] Iike a ritz: Yeah.
[17:31] Iike a ritz: Interesting.
[17:31] NEIGH006: and I don't like that one

So then I go to Hans, who up until very shortly after this exchange I have trusted in the game. Hans expressed surprise that Alain would come to me like that. This gets me thinking a little. I know Alain and I know his style. He's very good at making rash decisions, taking risks. I really could not see any reason for him to tell me this (especially with his alleged earlier mention that he hoped he was wolfed) unless he himself was a wolf and was hoping to convince me to guard him so that he could have free range of any human whom he perceived as a threat, so I didn't guard him. Then he died.

Well, fux.

Then I begin to wonder at the possibility that Alain WAS wolf, and that the plan was to convince me to guard him, so that he would APPEAR human, thus forming a false alliance (why would the seer look at someone who'd been attacked and guarded?). It seems like a perfectly feasible idea, and I'd especially expect it of Alain -- he's bold, and he's good.

So at this point I'm suspicious of Hans, because both Hans and Alain were pressuring me to guard Alain.

And now we come to Blah, with whom I've been working out ideas throughout the game. I confessed being the guardian (until now he had no idea I was even blue) to Blah AFTER Alain was wolfed. Hans would have been the first one from whom Blah would hear that I am blue, yet according to Hans, he acted as if he already knew.

Blah has been carrying out conversations with both Hans and I, and Hans and I have been sharing information about each other with Blah. He seems to have us wrapped around his little fingers.

Blah has also told me that were he a wolf, I would be dead, since I am blue. This is not necessarily true, as Blah could gain my trust and get me to guard him nightly, so he can have free pick of any human.

Now, there are a couple logical reasons for Blah's behavior:
1) He is being hyper-paranoid and cannot decide whether to trust Hans or me
2) He is a wolf, and is doing his best to turn Hans and I against each other, breaking up a possible alliance

It is suspicious that Jursey heard that I was the seer, but it is quite possible that Alain mentioned to Jursey casually that I was blue, and that I had been asked to guard him. When Alain died, it would be logical for Jursey to conclude that I'm not the guardian but the seer.

Which reminds me: the idea to tell Hans that I was the seer was originally Blah's. At first he wanted me to say that I was the seer and Blah the guardian, and then I would guard Blah, but he decided Hans would not believe it. We wanted to trap Hans, though, so I told Hans I'd been pretending to be the guardian so the real one could be protected. Hans then came to the conclusion that I was the seer and asked who I'd seen. I decided to take a risk, and I told him I'd seen Tass and Blah, and that I was going to seer Hans next. The idea was that if Hans was a wolf, he'd kill me before I could see him and reveal this information (making me the night 3 kill). Blah seemed to like this idea, but then stumbled upon Jursey's little slip and blew my cover. He did ask my permission, with the possible threat that if I was human, I wouldn't care if he revealed the lie. I told him my only qualm was that my lie could easily be turned against me, to which he had no reply.

Now I will express my hope that some of you who have remained silent will participate a little more. Blah, Hans, and I are all suspicious of each other, and if none of us are wolves, then our suspicions are going to make things outrageously easy for the real wolves to win this. We NEED people to begin presenting information, participating in things. I realize you are all busy, but a human victory requires human participation.

evilbutterfly

03-30-2005, 12:29 PM

I'm so confused. Too many people were let in on this one thing. But I guess voting for Jurs is the way to go here? I'll at least keep that vote until she shares HER side of things.

And I won't be back for a while today because Dad is home and wants yardwork done (boooooo). Just a warning in case I'm not here.

Lupin_the_3rd

03-30-2005, 12:43 PM

Like EB, I've been left out of this whole thing, so I'm having a hard time figuring this out. I've had suspicion for Jurs since the middle of the first day and would be interested in seeing what she has to say, considering its been a good day since this accusation has been made, and not a word from the lynchee.

JurseyRider734

03-30-2005, 04:15 PM

To tell you the truth, i've been really suspicious of blah for a while now. Not just a gut instinct, but just the way he talks and presents ideas. He also always tries to trick you in to things, and the way that he plays these mind tricks on you somewhat alarm me. I didn't save the convo, but this is kind of how it happened:

Blah: Eva, i'm leaving Team Jurs, you were seered as a wolf.
Me: Ever think that this seer you are in contact with was a wolf?
Blah: Eva...i'm the seer.
Me: I thought panda was the seer?

etc.

Blah continued to ask where I found this out from. Naturally, since I was suspicious of him to begin with, and for fear that he was a wolf, I didn't want to tell him where I heard it from so I said that I overhead some people talking about it in a chat because there were only a few people in there.

Yeah, blah, that was a lie. But you're guilty of the same crime, so you have no right to get on my back about it. You lie about me being seered, that you're the seer, then you come out later that it was yours and panda's plan to pretend that she was the seer etc.

Alain told me she was blue. Alain wanted to be guarded that night because he and Hans thought he would be wolfed, and since alain apparently was talking with panda, I was hoping that she was the guardian and that she would be able to guard alain, but then alain died. I guessed panda wasn't the guardian then, but alain still said she was blue so i thought that she was the seer.

It just seemed kind of sketchy to me that panda and blah got together and decided to try and fool people in to thinking that panda was the seer. I think blah has explaining to do, instead of just trying to condemn someone so they can lynch that person and not put out an explaination for HIS actions.

Tps222

03-30-2005, 05:15 PM

Ok, I don't know who to believe right now. There is so much going on, with so much confusion.
People are saying people are blues and then they deny and say it's someone else who says it was someone else who then says it was the original person. If that sentance is as confusing as this whole situation is. Blah has been pushing pretty hard for some votes on Jurs, and people are going along with him, and then Jurs and Panda are switching it back on Blah, then Alain gets thrown into the mix.

I don't want to vote yet, I want to see how this develops, since I feel as an outsider to this whole situation;any clue on when this day ends, we need all the time we can get.

lightdarkness

03-30-2005, 05:29 PM

deltro300111

03-30-2005, 05:43 PM

Ok, I'd like to apologize for my silence for this day, my computer got spywar'd, and I had to reformat- but I am back, so hi2u.

JurseyRider734

03-30-2005, 05:59 PM

Lupin_the_3rd

03-30-2005, 06:36 PM

I don't know...I had the same thought as LD when I first read your response. Granted, people change from game to game, I still thought there was something odd about how little you allowed your emotions to influence your posts. It seemed tremendously structured as well, and very organized. It did sound like you were reiterating points...somewhat like you were running down a list of things to say rather than saying what was on your mind at the time. I suspect there was external input involved, but then again, you could just be getting better at providing argument. This kind of evolution I find drastic however, as compared to this quote from the last game:

Eb, Tass,

The reason I am ACTING different is because I am trying to act smarter, which is what I had in mind from Day 1, no matter what role I had. I wanted to prove people that I can play this game as well as others, and prove that I can handle playing even in this specific game which is supposedly more "taxing". So sorry that me trying to act smarter is coming off as "different" and "wolfish". I also wasn't even having my vote on Hans as a defense vote, as I stated to Alain on Day 1, I had a weird feeling about him. Even ask Alain.

I realize this isn't a great example, but it does accentuate some things that were lacking in her post in this game. Instead of approaching each person individually, she addresses the issue as a whole to provide condolence. The only person she even mentioned was blah, who appears to be an intended target. Personally, I've had my doubts about blah this game, but overall, I've been much more skeptical of your appearance in this game, jursey. Empty posts, subtle contradictions, bandwagoning, and now this change of behaviour (which suddenly was conjured up by the threat of a lynch) has led me to believe you're a wolf.

Kefit

03-30-2005, 06:42 PM

flux_

03-30-2005, 06:50 PM

I'm not sure someone's emotion in posts is really enough to make judgements on them since other things going on in one's life may change how he/she feels about the game or just how he/she chooses to respond, however the points blah brought up may be. like most of the people who weren't a part of it, I'm a bit confused as to what exactly went down yesterday. I'm going to try to read over the posts just dealing with the exchange again tonight and maybe tomorrow.

Side note: is the TWG XIII chat room still going? I went in there today and it was empty.

flypie743

03-30-2005, 06:51 PM

The chat room usually dies.

Does anyone know when the day ends?

blahblah18

03-30-2005, 06:52 PM

tomorrow at 11:41 PM EST I believe

evilbutterfly

03-30-2005, 06:54 PM

It is suspicious that Jursey heard that I was the seer, but it is quite possible that Alain mentioned to Jursey casually that I was blue, and that I had been asked to guard him. When Alain died, it would be logical for Jursey to conclude that I'm not the guardian but the seer.

Alain told me she was blue. Alain wanted to be guarded that night because he and Hans thought he would be wolfed, and since alain apparently was talking with panda, I was hoping that she was the guardian and that she would be able to guard alain, but then alain died. I guessed panda wasn't the guardian then, but alain still said she was blue so i thought that she was the seer.

Um...

JurseyRider734

03-30-2005, 06:58 PM

I've been talking to blah and Jursey, and after talking to them all, I don't think Jursey wrote that post. I think she is being too calm in her reactions. I believe if she were a human, she would be flipping out as I was in the previous game.

No, I did write it all myself. Sorry that i'm not as eccentric as you, but I have to do a lot of things and I didn't have time to start flipping out and cursing at people.

At lot of things to do would mean that you would write out a quick, flippant reply in your usual style, instead of laboring over a calm, collected piece with which to clearly explain yourself.

Personally, your post at the top of this page strikes me as something written by Stretchy, with perhaps a concious attempt from her to make the word choice and tone dumbed down just a bit from what she would normally write.

Alright, whatever. Think what you want, but I'm not in the mood to start flipping out and attacking tons of people just because thats what I did in other games. Sorry that i'm not acting dumb and eccentric like I "normally do". I wrote the post myself, and obviously you guys are retarded enough to think that I would have someone else write a post for me. Seriously, get a clue.

blahblah18

03-30-2005, 07:00 PM

there, that sounds more like you...
"obviously you guys are retarded enough to think that I would have someone else write a post for me. Seriously, get a clue."

Lupin_the_3rd

03-30-2005, 07:03 PM

Xtrialan Derrorx: I just wanted to clear that up, because thats the most stupid thing i've ever heard in my entire life.
Xtrialan Derrorx: Because it pissed me off?
Xtrialan Derrorx: You're a retard Kefit.
Kefit42: Because you would have been pissed in your post
Xtrialan Derrorx: Well I wasn't.
Xtrialan Derrorx: I really don't care.
Kefit42: As you were in your responses to the first accusations
Kefit42: I have seen you play this game enough
Kefit42: If you don't care, then shut up and stop screaming at us
Xtrialan Derrorx: Shut up and stop saying i didnt write it.

Compared to what she wrote earlier solidifies my vote: Jurseyrider734

flux_

03-30-2005, 07:49 PM

Between that exchange on the previous page and the convos and posts that have been brought up since then, I'm almost positive in my vote for jurs. If you really need me to reiterate everything, I will, but right now I need to go to bed and I don't find it necessary to explain things that have already been said.

QreepyBORIS

03-30-2005, 07:55 PM

That was pretty clearly not written by Jursey.

She's usually wayyy over the top when it comes to arguments. If you were to think I am wrong, I guess I could bring Arch in here....

Point being, I think Jurs is a wolf. Stretchy might be, even.

And Kefit, of course.

JurseyRider734

03-30-2005, 07:58 PM

Good job, NOW i'm pissed so now maybe i'll act more like myself. Yeah, you guys are all retarded.

HEY GUYS LETS JUMP ON TO THE "JURSEY IS TOO STUPID TO WRITE THAT POST" CHAIN AND THEN BANDWAGON VOTES ON TO HER, BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE POINTED OUT IT WAS TOO WELL THOUGHT OUT FOR HER TO WRITE SO SOMEONE ELSE MUST HAVE WRITTEN IT FOR HER.

That's retarded. It's bandwagons like THESE that make me remember that it's only a game and start to make me not care. Like I said before, Get a clue, and think for your own selves instead of all saying that i'm not smart enough to write something like that. I'm sure you ALL MUST KNOW my mood when I was writing it, RIGHT? So now i'm not allowed to take things seriously just because I'm Jursey.

You guys are all so very retarded.

JurseyRider734

03-30-2005, 08:05 PM

By the way, good job coming in from being inactive Boris just so you can bandwagon on to me with the whole "Jursey didnt write that, she's a wolf!" shit. Asshole.

lightdarkness

03-30-2005, 08:10 PM

HEY GUYS LETS JUMP ON TO THE "JURSEY IS TOO STUPID TO WRITE THAT POST" CHAIN AND THEN BANDWAGON VOTES ON TO HER, BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE POINTED OUT IT WAS TOO WELL THOUGHT OUT FOR HER TO WRITE SO SOMEONE ELSE MUST HAVE WRITTEN IT FOR HER.

Baybay, you are too smart enough to write something like that... it's just many of us find it odd that you didn't flip out. A perfect example would be what I did last game (e.g. flip out). I'll admit, there is a ton of stuff surrounding panda, hans, and you. Someone is a wolf, and it seems to us you're most suspicous.

evilbutterfly

03-30-2005, 08:21 PM

I think the part I quoted says it all. You didn't even bother to say "Amanda hit the nail right on the head, that is indeed what happened. Wow, she just knows me too well!" or anything like that. You just rehashed what you said. I don't question your ability to make the post yourself, but I am suspicious of how you used a defense somebody pretty much handed to you and didn't give them credit or anything.

Also, after talking to Amanda, I feel she is definitely human. I'm like...95% sure of it. As such, I would think that Hans and blah must be human, since a wolf would have killed her (unless I'm misunderstood and this all happened today).

Kilgamayan

03-30-2005, 08:32 PM

Jurs has 6 votes. Instalynch at 7.

Just under 24 hours to go.

JurseyRider734

03-30-2005, 09:25 PM

Okay, eb, here. This is for you.

Amanda was basically right with what happened, I admire her brilliance for not only knowing what went on, but knowing other things as well.

It's obvious that I will most likely get lynched, so I don't believe there's much else I can say at this time from what I've said before. In the post that made all of you point fingers, I was just trying to write out an explaination as to why I shouldn't be lynched, I never expected it to cause more suspicion on me. Sorry that I started acting smart for you all. I can assure you, though, I wrote the whole thing by myself. Take of it what you want, you can decide to believe me or to not, but I guess i'm really the only one who knows if I wrote it or if I didnt, and trust me, i'm pretty sure I wrote it ;)

flypie743

03-31-2005, 06:17 AM

I am leaning towards voting for Jurs, but I will wait until later to cast my vote. We don't need an instalynch.

lightdarkness

03-31-2005, 08:18 AM

I'm voting flaipai just because I don't want a phantom. I would vote for jurs, but I don't want an instalynch.

So lets recap.

My vote for Flypie means nothing, it's just a proxy vote, because we don't need a instalynch.

flux_

03-31-2005, 12:16 PM

Jurs, don't forget that there has already been evidence brought up against you before your posts that people claim most likely wasn't written by you. Everyone's not jumping on you just because of that one post; that was just the final straw that made them choose you.

evilbutterfly

03-31-2005, 01:41 PM

Well-said, flux.

JurseyRider734

03-31-2005, 01:56 PM

You know what, I don't care anymore. You are all idiots and are going to make a mistake, so I'll speed it up for you. JurseyRider

Kilgamayan

03-31-2005, 01:58 PM

Done.

It might be a while before I get a story up, I wasn't expecting the day to be finished this early and thus I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to write.

Everyone act as if it's now night. This includes all special roles, if they want to send me their choices now.

Note: because there was an instalynch before the proper day ending time, no phantom votes will be doled out to anyone.

Kilgamayan

03-31-2005, 06:53 PM

JurseyRider734: 7 (blah, Hans, eb, Lupin, Flux, Qreepy, Jursey)
flypie743: 1 (lightdarkness)

---

All eyes turned to Peach, who was noticably irritated. "Whatever, I've had enough of this anyway. Roy was right, you guys are nuts. I'm outta here." With that, she walked off.

After she had left the room, Dr. Mario said, "You know, if she's infected, she's not going to just kill herself without someone making sure she does it. DK, why don't you go watch her?"

"Hah, don't need to tell me twice! Be right back." DK ran off after the Princess.

Almost as soon the ape left, the entire ship was suddenly rocked with a power outage. The bridge was left pitch black, and everyone went into a panic.

"What the hell's going on? ROB, get power back online!"

"Unknown error in system. Unable to restore power."

"This has to be a set-up! There's no way this wasn't planned!" Samus shouted.

After a couple more of minutes of panicking, as suddenly and inexplicably as it had gone out, the power came back on. There was much rejoining when Zelda spoke up.

"Why hasn't Donkey Kong come back yet? Surely it wouldn't take this long for him to shove Peach out the door, would it?"

The crowd moved to the airlock, but no one was there to greet them when they arrived. Everyone was looking around for any sign of what happened when Falco happened to glance out into space.

"Look, there is he! Out in space! Damn it, I bet whoever set up the power outage came here in the confusion and threw him out!"

Fox was less than pleased. "Looks like this still isn't over. We've got more work to do."

---

lightdarkness (Yoshi)
blahblah18 (Fox)
flypie743 (Captain Falcon)
HansSky (Falco)
evilbutterfly (Kirby)
Tps222 (Ganondorf)
flux_ (Dr. Mario)
QreepyBORIS (Pikachu)
deltro300111 (Zelda)
stretchypanda (Samus)
Kefit (Ice Climbers)

It is now Day 3, and Lupin_the_Third has been eliminated. 11 of you remain, so 6 votes is an instalynch. You have 60 hours (10:06 AM EST Sunday).

QreepyBORIS

03-31-2005, 07:22 PM

Wait, what do you mean he was "eliminated"? Was he Donkey Kong, or what?

Kilgamayan

03-31-2005, 07:23 PM

What do you think?

QreepyBORIS

03-31-2005, 07:24 PM

I think I thought that he was disqualified, but it meant he was wolfed.

:sheepish:

Tps222

04-1-2005, 03:53 AM

When I first read that, that's what I thought too, untill I looked at his avatar.

Tps222

04-1-2005, 03:36 PM

A whole day without posting, come on you guys, get some communication going on here.

Lets hope that Blah has been telling us the truth, it seems that Stretchy and him will be paid close attention to. Personally, I had a feeling that Jurs was blue, but I sure hope not.

QreepyBORIS

04-1-2005, 06:31 PM

I vote Blah, because I have a feeling that we killed a blue.

...Hey, I don't like making instigations, but sombody's got to start, right?

Tps222

04-1-2005, 06:38 PM

I actually feel the same way, but I will wait for the day to play out.

HansSky

04-1-2005, 06:58 PM

That vote on blah is a little preemptive, no? But then again, I give you props for actually STARTING something for today.

Honestly, I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about blah right now. He's screwed me over one too many times this game. Nothing he's said to me has been completely truthful. He's played me for a fool the entire game. He's played with panda's head also, and turned us against each other for a little while. But I'm going to hold off for now, and wait for him along with everybody else to post.

lightdarkness

04-1-2005, 07:18 PM

I've heard several people now state they think Jursey was a blue, yet no one has been able to tell me why. When a blue in danger, they should come foward... I'm sure Jursey would've done that. Now... i'm not ruling out the possibility entierly, but I highly doubt it.

evilbutterfly

04-1-2005, 08:11 PM

Sorry, but I've been gone all day. School for most of the day, then straight to the gf's house. Just got home a little while ago, so sorry for being unavailable and for not posting. Here are my thoughts:

If blah was a wolf, he would have killed panda. Not only would it kill her if she really was the seer, but he could frame Hans for the murder and get off clean. I don't have any real evidence to prove panda's humanity, but I just got the feeling, from talking to her, that she's definitely who she says she is. Even if she is a wolf, though, she's leaving somewhere and isn't sure of computer access, so she may get phantomed out anyway. With those gone, the only person left in the "scandal" is Hans, who I really don't think is a wolf.

So with those off my suspicions list, all that's left is LD, flypie, tps, flux, Qreepy, deltro, and Kefit. Kefit, flypie and flux I have no idea about because I don't talk to them and they don't post much. Qreepy and deltro both seem a bit odd, but I think it's just in how they play (not that they play at all similarly). The Lupin kill might be to try and make TPS look human, since they seemed to be together and Lupin almost got lynched. Not to say that TPS is definitely a wolf, but just something that leaps to mind.

So, basically, I've got nothing right now, except loose "ohnoes TPS might be trying to trick us!" suspicions. But I really doubt those.

QreepyBORIS

04-1-2005, 08:23 PM

Okay okay guys I did a voting chart:

Qreepy's Russian Extravaganza Guide:
Blah (1): QreepyBORIS

Thank you, thank you.

This was basically a bump, which I apologize for.

Tps222

04-2-2005, 08:35 AM

Why would I want to kill Lupin, people saw him going along with my idea in the beginning, if I wolfed him it would be obvious. I know I have played poorly in the past, but I would have made a better choice then that.

I'm getting a little suspicous of Qreepy, most of his posts have been stating the obvious, or posting up voting guides, this doesn't necessarily make him a wolf, since there really hasn't been much to talk about lately, but it would be good to keep an eye on him.

I'm pretty convinced that Blah is human, just from my conversations with him. I'm pretty sure panda is human. That leaves hans, flux, qreepy, eb and kefit on my suspect list.

lightdarkness

04-2-2005, 08:37 AM

People still need to tell me why they thought Jurs was blue, that will affect my voting choice.

evilbutterfly

04-2-2005, 09:17 AM

If she was blue, she would have used that to stay alive, I think. I seriously doubt that she was blue.

And TPS, here's why you would kill Lupin. People thought he was a wolf, and he shared your ideas. Thus, it looked like you were wolf pals. Let's say you are a wolf but Lupin wasn't (obviously he wasn't). If you kill him, it looks like you guys were a human pair who shared similar ideas rather than a wolf pair. Also, since you were close with him in idealogy, may be you talked to him some and he started to suspect you, so you killed him off. I'm not saying this is how it is, but it's just something to think about.

blahblah18

04-2-2005, 09:28 AM

I'm not saying this as a reason to vote for him, but only as something that has now made me have to put him on my suspicions list... When talking to kefit, I told him that I trusted lupin completely... then he died,

Tps222

04-2-2005, 09:33 AM

Yes, but I wouldn't have killed him because I would figure that people would think like that. No way two wolves would associate that obviously with a plan.

Lupin and I talked on numerous occasions, and neither of us were suspicious of each other.

EB, wolfing him would be a bad choice, I would want to keep him. People were suspcious of him, that's a good thing. I wasn't getting attacked, so there was no need to disassociate with Lupin.

evilbutterfly

04-2-2005, 10:15 AM

I'm not saying you did it, I'm just presenting a possibility, because other than that (and what blah just said about Kefit, which is also shakey) I have no idea who could be a wolf. The people left playing are mostly very quiet. I can't tell anything about somebody unless they talk, so I'm quite lost right now.

That makes me think, maybe they killed Lupin just because he posted enough to show how he was. They're leaving us with nothing but quiet people, it seems, which severely hampers our decision making.

blahblah18

04-2-2005, 11:50 AM

You konw what... I"m gonna have to stick with my original reasoning and thought process, and vote Hans

deltro300111

04-2-2005, 01:40 PM

Well-said, flux.Whoa, just whoa- I was re-reading the thread, and this post- for whatever reason just stuck out to me, not the fact that it was being complimentary of someone- but because it was a single sentence, that applied nothing to the game- and no evidence for or against anyone, a completely null post, and that seems very OOC of EB to me, tentative vote- but I still think it is strange.

QreepyBORIS

04-2-2005, 02:04 PM

Uhm, Deltro, that means he is agreeing with flux, and he thinks that flux put the words down very well. I do not PERSONALLY think that that is un-eb-ish. And even if it were, you must admit that this game can make people act strangely, wolf or not.

And besides, his thoughts concur with those of flux's, so I think that counts as evidence in the first place. :P Not new evidence, admittedly, but that is not the point, his post did have content.

I don't know how you could pull the idea that he is a wolf out of just that sentence, anyways. O_o

evilbutterfly

04-2-2005, 02:13 PM

I said that because he said what I wanted to say, and I wanted to show that he was right without repeating exactly what he said. Jurs was defending herself against just one thing that she did, when the real evidence was something else entirely. Rather than say that again, I just said that flux was right. I had nothing else to add at the moment, so I didn't.

Kilgamayan

04-2-2005, 02:50 PM

In order to conform better with my schedule, the deadline for voting is being pushed back 12 hours to 10:06 PM EST Sunday.

I can't 100% guarantee being there, but (a) it's a better time for people in general, and (b) I can guarantee I won't be around for 10:06 AM because I'll still be in bed.

Tps222

04-2-2005, 02:53 PM

evilbutterfly

04-2-2005, 03:43 PM

Seems to me more like he's just stupid. Err, TWG-stupid. No offense.

lightdarkness

04-2-2005, 03:58 PM

Ok, in case I forget to vote, i'm gonna vote for my girlfriend flaipai for phantom purposes.

HONESTLY, explain why you think jurs was blue, I've heard one side (my side :-P), i'm waiting for the other.

HansSky

04-2-2005, 05:10 PM

You konw what... I"m gonna have to stick with my original reasoning and thought process, and vote Hans

I knew it. Funny, even though YOU were the one screwed me over, lied to me, and beat me over the head with a hammer(<3 SSBM), you still insist on lynching me.

Oh, and anyone know where panda's been?

Tps222

04-2-2005, 05:15 PM

Someone mentioned earlier that she is away, and will probably get a phantom.

evilbutterfly

04-2-2005, 07:06 PM

When I was talking to her yesterday about the whole thing, she said she was going somewhere. Like, to another state. I don't know if she'll be able to get on, but she could always call somebody and tell them what to post for her.

flux_

04-2-2005, 07:34 PM

I, as wel as others, am waiting for an explaination as to why Jur's might have been blue. I'd rather not make my decision before hearing what could be vital information. I'm not sure I liked how deltro attacked EB for something so trivial as that, though.
I know I have been quiet, but I'm making sure to post whenever I have anything to say. My AIM name is on the first page, so if anyone feels the need to IM me and talk about the game, feel free. If I'm away, leave a message because I might be there anyway, or else I'll get back to you.

Kilgamayan

04-2-2005, 07:39 PM

According to Guido, stretchy will be back tomorrow morning.

deltro300111

04-2-2005, 10:06 PM

Thats why I wanted to kill the innactive people, but o well, i'm done with that.

Deltro, that was one of your first posts in a while, and you made up your whole voting evidence, are you trying to push for EB, and came up with desperate evidence? Well- I'm not entirely certain why that stuck out so much to me, but it still does, and it still is the only evidence I have against anyone- but I think that is the first time anyone I've seen has just sort of said "Yes. I agree" -and about the idleness, I've been sick and out of school, bogged with makeup work, had to format/backup my computer, and I've been trying to get up my fifty something in science. I personally think I am doing pretty well, as far as punctuality goes considering the circumstances. (My vote still stands.)

stretchypanda

04-3-2005, 10:00 AM

Wow, I'm gone for three days and somehow manage to not be phantomed. <3 4 Kilga.

Uh... I'm sort of bus-lagged, so I can't form real thoughts, but I found it a little strange that someone made a tiny, tiny suggestion that TPS could be a wolf and he immediately leapt on the defensive. Seriously, it wasn't some huge accusation, but he jumped all over it.

And for those of you who I'm pretty sure I told (AHEM: Hans!), I've been in Tennessee, sixteen hours away from Oklahoma City and internet. We raced against some HYOOGE schools and kicked their asses -- couldn't beat Georgia, though, so I've got two silver metals. It rained the whole weekend and was freezing, while everyone back at school enjoyed 80-degree weather. Forgive me if I'm not coherent or don't want to talk to anyone.

Tps222

04-3-2005, 12:33 PM

I wasn't being super defensive, EB brought up an idea, I read it, and then explained my side of the story. If someone has an idea with me in it, I like to respond to it honestly. I wanted to shut down that idea since i'm not a wolf, and any suspicions against me would waste time from finding the real wolves.

evilbutterfly

04-3-2005, 01:36 PM

JurseyRider734: 7 (blah, Hans, eb, Lupin, Flux, Qreepy, Jursey)

I just had a thought. The voting guide can help in one of two ways.

1) If Jurs was human, at least one of the people voting for her was a wolf, I would bet. Everybody there is off my list except Qreepy and flux. So...they could be wolves, may be.

2) If Jurs was wolf, she knew she was screwed and killed herself so her wolf friends wouldn't have to vote for her. Her wolf buddies could have switched off to avoid an insta. Thus, if she was a wolf, another wolf probably wasn't voting for her, so she killed herself so nobody would have to. People left who didn't vote for her: LD, flypie, TPS, deltro, panda, kefit. Not much to work with... =\

Also, I'm a bit suspicious of LD consistently voting for flypie. Sure, it's just to avoid a phantom, sure he's been busy and can't read the thread, suuuuuuuuuure.

Okay, so may be I'm just reaching for anything because voting ends in a little over 5 hours and we have nothing right now. C'mon guys, let's figure something out. I don't want to lynch any innocents just because people are being quiet. This is what the wolves want us to be doing: nothing. We must take action!

lightdarkness

04-3-2005, 02:29 PM

Also, I'm a bit suspicious of LD consistently voting for flypie. Sure, it's just to avoid a phantom, sure he's been busy and can't read the thread, suuuuuuuuuure.

Sure he just woke up from another nap because he is so tired from working.

Sure he keeps voting for flypie to avoid a phantom.

Sure I keep asking everyone to answer my damn questions (which no one hasn't)

Sure (insert random rant here).

Sure.

</lol funnay post>

QreepyBORIS

04-3-2005, 02:51 PM

I'm really suspicious that blah isn't dead yet, to be frank. He's a power player, he's acting "suspicious" (I hate using that word), accusatory, and I do believe he tried instigating a few things, and leading other people so they would agree with his opinions.

Not only that, but the wolves have not even TRIED to kill him--quite clearly, he is not dead. And personally, I don't know why they haven't tried yet. There are two reasons: The wolves are trying to frame him; or Blah is a wolf.

I don't want to take the chance, so my vote for Blah sticks.

Kilgamayan

04-3-2005, 03:13 PM

Votes:

blah: 1 (Qreepy)
Hans: 1 (blah)
eb: 1 (deltro)
flypie: 1 (LD)

Those that need to hurry up: flypie, Hans, eb, Tps, Flux, stretchy, Kefit

Less than four hours, people. Get ta' steppin'.

flypie743

04-3-2005, 03:34 PM

Sorry guys. I was away Friday --> Saturday and I have been busy finishing up homework all of today. I finally got a chance to read over the thread. A few things:
1. TPS and Qreepy: Is it just a gut feeling that you thing Jurs was blue or did you base that idea off of some actual evidence? I highly doubt she was blue. If she was, the smart thing to do would be to go to the main power player that was voting for her (blah) and tell him. Blah could probably get everyone to bandwagon off of her.
2. LD: He hasn't been nearly as active as he usually is. He has voted for me twice because he might forget to vote and get a phantom. Yes, I know the project he is working on, and yes I know he has been busy, but still. If he has time to play Halo with my brother (which he has the past few days) I think he has time to read this thread and come up with an actual vote.

That's all for now.

lightdarkness

04-3-2005, 03:40 PM

2. LD: He hasn't been nearly as active as he usually is. He has voted for me twice because he might forget to vote and get a phantom. Yes, I know the project he is working on, and yes I know he has been busy, but still. If he has time to play Halo with my brother (which he has the past few days) I think he has time to read this thread and come up with an actual vote.

That's all for now.

Ask him again. I think I played 5 minutes with him this morning.

flypie743

04-3-2005, 03:41 PM

You've played a lot with Synth.

lightdarkness

04-3-2005, 03:43 PM

You've played a lot with Synth.

Ask him again :-P Not at all this weekend.

Actually, I just looked, and I have played more than I thought I did this weekend :-P http://bungie.net/Stats/PlayerGameList.aspx?player=lightdarkness42

Regardless, I have been more active day 3, but no one has answered my question, so I'll post it again!

Why do you guys think Jurs was blue! One person who didn't have that view answered, but those who had that thought haven't come forward as to why. I've said it I don't know how many times, and it's becoming suspicious that you haven't answered

Tps222

04-3-2005, 03:44 PM

LD is never too active. My feeling that Jurs was a blue was just a gut feeling I had from reading her posts and talking to her on aim.

Qreepy, they may not want to kill him for the fear of him being guarded. He is also suspicious in many people's eyes. It seems as your pushing for Blah to get voted for. As of now, you are looking the most suspicious to me, there is no sense in voting off a power-player without decent evidence. Thus, my vote goes to Qreepy

stretchypanda

04-3-2005, 04:50 PM

Qreepy, I think that a smart wolf would leave Blah alive and let him continue to make accusations against Hans and me, because everyone can see that the explosion from the previous day did a damn good job of engrossing the players. I have to go ahead and agree with eb that I'd probably be dead if Blah were a wolf.

I want to know with whom Lupin had been talking. I haven't paid much attention to jTWG, so his death was pretty surprising to me (no offense, buddy). He had to have been on to something..

I'm still looking at TPS, but I'm also interested in LD and Kefit. I'll reread and post a vote soon -- got a busy evening ahead.

QreepyBORIS

04-3-2005, 04:56 PM

I only had the faintest feeling that she was blue because of the Blues' tendencies to be spiteful. It sounds lame, but they do a whole lot behind the scenes without getting a lot of credit, or really, a lot of people to believe them. So if one of them is accused as a wolf, they might get tired of it all and just vote for themselves. Jurs did that.

It sounds a bit far-fetched, I am sure, but it is certainly not impossible.

Stretchy: If Blah and you were both wolves, he would not have you killed. And he could think intuitively and not kill you, because that would give him away like *that*.

stretchypanda

04-3-2005, 05:06 PM

Stretchy: If Blah and you were both wolves, he would not have you killed. And he could think intuitively and not kill you, because that would give him away like *that*.

I've thought that, too -- why kill someone when you can get them to side with you? But I like to entertain possibilities.

EDIT: Changed my mind about looking in other directions. Right now I've got nothing but what has happened with Blah and it is just too much to overlook. If I am wrong, then I will give you that apology you expect from me, Blah.

I know I'm becoming bad at changing my mind at the last second, but there's one and a half hours left in the day, and nothing else has come up. Sorry.

evilbutterfly

04-3-2005, 06:18 PM

Well, since LD likes voting for people who won't die just to avoid phantoms, I'll follow him in it. I don't want to lynch blah on such little evidence. The discussion has whithered away to nothing, and he's not even around now to defend himself from this. Let's hope those people voting for blah aren't wrong. =\

I have to write a paper now. IM me if anything big happens that needs my urgent attention. I won't look at the thread otherwise, probably.

Kilgamayan

04-3-2005, 06:30 PM

Given I won't be able to concentrate on this for a while (and three people haven't voted yet), I'm extending it to midnight.

I hate to do this again but it's far easier on me. =\

HansSky

04-3-2005, 06:34 PM

I simply can't get over the fact the blah has lied to me ALL game. Nothing he has told me has had complete truth, and he's been playing games with me since TWG XIII started. If you're human, you should have NO reason to lie. If you're a wolf, you have plenty of reason to lie. Blah said that he didn't trust us(me and panda), so he tries to turn us against each other. It seems solid(sorta), but that is not any excuse for why he was messing with my head since the beginning, when he had no reason NOT to trust me. I know I've said this before, but I just wanted to reiterate it when I placed my vote.

Tps222

04-3-2005, 06:38 PM

Has anyone noticed that Kefit has no posts today, today's lack of conversation is hurting us, and we may either end up voting a powerful wolf or a powerful human, I don't like the odds :(

lightdarkness

04-3-2005, 06:46 PM

Has anyone noticed that Kefit has no posts today, today's lack of conversation is hurting us, and we may either end up voting a powerful wolf or a powerful human, I don't like the odds :(

It's my understanding that he works a lot.

Tps222

04-3-2005, 06:47 PM

Then why does he signup, takes spots away from people who want to play. I understand working, and people have lives, but it has been almost 72 hours since the last day began, and no posts.

evilbutterfly

04-3-2005, 08:00 PM

Because he wants to play. He's not the only one to not post, if I remember correctly. Nobody is posting very much at all, which is very much not good. Seriously, we're about to kill blah with 2-3 votes? That's ridiculous.

flypie743

04-3-2005, 08:07 PM

Well I am going to vote for LD because I think he might be trying to stay low. Yes yes, we all know you are busy, but you can try to make an actual vote that is not just to avoid phatoms. It was OK with me the first time you did it, but again?

Also, I don't think it is good that we have a strong human lynched without more conversation going. I think we should give blah a chance to defend himself before we lynch him. However, he could be a strong wolf =/

Kefit

04-3-2005, 08:22 PM

I apologize for my inactivity this day. My work schedule this weekend has been busier than I expected it to be. Right now I have just come back from what has been one of the most fucktacular shitty workdays I have ever had.

I'm just gonna make a few random comments before throwing out my vote, although I think I have mentioned them to a person or two already:

If Jurs was a blue, she would have come out about it in a desperate attempt to save herself. As to he being a blue because she is spiteful, well, Jurs is always spiteful :p

I'm fairly sure that Stretchy a human, and more specifically, the guardian. Generally, a wolf will only try and fake a blue role if they know that that role is dead; to do otherwise is just asking for a possibly catastrophic debate with the real guardian. I don't see any way that the wolves could have discerned that they had taken out the guardian (as none of us seem to have any clues as to who the guardian or seer this game are), so I think it is pretty safe to say that Stretchy is the guardian.

Blah has come off as odd to me the entire game, but he always gives me that vibe. I don't remember him telling me that he trusted Lupin completely - rather, I told him that I didn't trust Lupin at all, and he said that he was more inclined to believe that Lupin was a human than a wolf. Besides this, what I have seen him do all game is exactly what a skilled human player should be doing - trying his best to make a wolf slip up. The best way to accomplish this is to grill as many people as you can, with whatever you can get. Generally, a human will have an actual explanation for things, wheras a wolf might have to lie, which can easily lead to slip-ups.

In other words, I am not ready to lynch blah yet. It seems the only thing I can do to possibly save him is to vote for LD, which I believe will tie the number of votes for each. ACtually, my vote isn't quite as empty as that - LD's inactivity compared to other games I have played with him combined with the thought that he would fit perfectly with the logical train that I provided way back in my first post of this thread, just doesn't sit well with me.