TWG XXXII - Game over (Wolves win)

[nforcer06164]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

Changing my vote to Kefit for the moment. I have a conversation and some thoughts to discuss. Don't lynch ddrdanc3r just yet. If we do, we're causing more of a problem for ourselves. You'll see when I post in the next few moments.

[ddrdanc3r55]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

Placing a placeholder vote on Jurs, so I don't get a phantom.

[nforcer06164]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

Okay, I had a conversation with ddrdanc3r which has made me rethink the whole situation. He did remind me of something I forgot: the lynchee with the statue gets to kill somebody else. Now, if ddr is a wolf, he has no choice but to listen to our alternate choice, because we'll lynch him if he doesn't. This not only allows us to kill off another suspicion for today, but also lynch ddr tomorrow if we still believe he is a wolf. If he doesn't have the statue, it changes nothing. Here's the convo...

randumb lol: Hey.
nforcer06164: hey
randumb lol: Uhh, I don't know how I'm going to talk you out of this, but I think lynching me would be a mistake.
randumb lol: First off, two days is two humans, plus me.
randumb lol: But, that only really matters to me, because you can't possibly know that I'm human.
nforcer06164: Of course.
nforcer06164: You'd have to be pretty convincing at this point to prove you're not a wolf.
nforcer06164: Because if you really are human, and do have the statue, you said all the wrong things.
nforcer06164: You took far too strong a stand.
nforcer06164: You NEVER ask to be seered as proof when a Master Wolf is in the game.
randumb lol: I read talismans posts.
nforcer06164: EVER.
randumb lol: This game would be so much better for the humans if we had a psychic...
randumb lol: And do you think a master wolf would tell his fellow wolves first?
randumb lol: Should I ask the humans who they want me to kill if I get lynched today?
randumb lol: Or, well, the players.
nforcer06164: I don't really know how much that could do.
randumb lol: Well, I want to do it for the humans, anyways.
nforcer06164: Because any level of reverse-psychology the wolves use (if you happen to not be a wolf) can be turned against you.
randumb lol: We still should win, no matter what they think of me.
randumb lol: That's what you guys are doing right now, haha.
nforcer06164: "Are doing right now"?
nforcer06164: what do you mean?
nforcer06164: Oh, and about the master wolf thing... how can we be sure you're not the last wolf?
randumb lol: You can't.
nforcer06164: Exactly the problem here.
nforcer06164: What do you expect to gain by taking "kill recommendations"?
nforcer06164: How can that help the humans?
randumb lol: There is more humans than there are wolves right now.
randumb lol: So, if the humans tell me to kill a wolf, we knock off one.
nforcer06164: You know what? It's like you just told me you ARE a wolf.
randumb lol: What are you talking about?
nforcer06164: "If the humans tell me to kill a wolf, we knock off one."
nforcer06164: How?
randumb lol: The statute holder can kill somebody when they're lynched.
randumb lol: If the humans are correct, adn tell me to kill the right person, a wolf is gone.
nforcer06164: Oh my God.
nforcer06164: You're right.
nforcer06164: I forgot about that.
randumb lol: Haha.
randumb lol: I was gonna say...
randumb lol: I think me killing any person, regardless of what you guys say, would be enough to prove.
randumb lol: *prove that I'm human.
randumb lol: But, again, you won't know what I would do in different situations.
randumb lol: Or I could be the only wolf left, but that isn't the case.
randumb lol: If I don't get any info on who to kill, I'm probably going to kill Kefit.
nforcer06164: Well, if you are the last wolf, than the game will be over in this situation.
nforcer06164: By tomorrow.
nforcer06164: So it doesn't change much.
randumb lol: Well, if I was the last wolf, I wouldn't be so wreckless, I know that.
randumb lol: Unless I'm stupid.
randumb lol: But then again, I did make that stupid post.
nforcer06164: Well, your suggestion to kill whoever you want really does make me want to rethink this...
nforcer06164: Er, whoever we want.
nforcer06164: That does change a lot in this situation, though the evidence is heavily against you.
nforcer06164: As I did unearth quite the convincing stuff from day 1 and 2
randumb lol: I don't even get it.
randumb lol: Two of those posts were iggy's.
randumb lol: And the posts I made was when I was uninformed from my inactivity on D1.
nforcer06164: Well, acting clueless about the MW does double for a newbie wolf.
nforcer06164: You don't understand the role, and you act like it's something foreign to you.
randumb lol: Well, I didn't know what the hell it was.
nforcer06164: Therefore, you distance yourself through ignorance.
randumb lol: I thought it was something like a vigilante wolf or something.
nforcer06164: iggy's votes could've been distance votes.
nforcer06164: i.e. a wolf votes for another wolf, because on the first level, a wolf would never do that
randumb lol:
The Lone Wolf is a wolf that is known to the four wolves, and is part of the wolf "pack". The only difference is that it is not seen as a wolf to the seer.
randumb lol: My word on didder.
nforcer06164: Yeah, I understand that. I can see why you asked.
nforcer06164: I'll post our conversation in a bit. I'm a bit more inclined to believe you, but keep in mind I'm still wary.
randumb lol: Which is understandable.

I think it's a good idea to still lynch ddrdanc3r, but first, let's decide who else we would lynch so we don't just lose our lynch. Underline and italicize your alternate choice. After we reach a majority, we can insta ddr and he'll pick our alternate choice. The next day, we can decide if we can trust ddr, or if he deserves a lynch himself.

Sound like a good idea, everybody?

[stretchypanda]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

I don't know. Who's to say ddrdancer won't just lynch whomever he pleases (say one of the blues DID go to him)? While it's true that we can still lynch ddr the next day, the statue would be gone, we would be down a human, and the wolf(ves) would get another night to take out ANOTHER human.

Not to say that I can think of a better idea, but I guess it's something to think about. I'm certain we've gotten at least one wolf, if not two -- which would explain ddr coming out and requesting seering. If the other two are dead, no one could tell him not to be so rash (as I'm pretty sure nforcer said in his IM).

So, really, this is only a horrible idea if we've been totally off and there are still three wolves.

[nforcer06164]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

The problem, though, Amanda, is that we really don't have a choice. I think it's better that we take our time and give a little bit of faith to ddrdanc3r, because if we do just lynch him right away, we won't get to lynch another suspicion; he'll just pick someone himself (I believe he said Kefit would be his top choice).

Here's the thing: we could just ignore him and lynch somebody else, but what if he is the last wolf? Then we have a mighty big problem on our hands. Because if he is, he gets a free kill, and then yet another kill during the night before we can lynch him. In fact, short of today, I don't think there's any way at all to get away with lynching him.

If we do "lynch" him today, we can "lynch" somebody that we'd lynch anyways, and we don't have to worry about the statue falling or remaining in the hands of a wolf.

This reminds me of another problem: if ddrdanc3r is not a wolf, and the real wolves are ballsy enough to go for him tonight in the case we don't "lynch" him, and the channeler is dead, we are mortally screwed. The wolves will have the statue, and the game will basically be over.

If you have a better plan, Amanda, I'm ready to listen. But I can't see any other possible option right now. If we're going to do this, we have to do it fast. We have less than 24 hours, and we need to be sure we know what we're doing long before deadline.

[stretchypanda]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

Like I said, I don't have a better plan. I pretty much say whatever pops into my head with these things. If I can think of a problem but not a solution, maybe someone else could.

[ddrdanc3r55]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

the statue would be gone

It would already be gone if I was a wolf.

Who's to say ddrdancer won't just lynch whomever he pleases

You'll know that I'm the master wolf - one of the biggest pains in this game.

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

I am in support of lynching randumb and him vigiing someone of our choice.

My vote is remaining on ddrdanc3r, but I'm voting blah for his vigi kill.

And by the way guys: the statue being destroyed is preferable when there's a good chance it's in the hands of a wolf. If randumb does not kill who we decide on, he'll be instantly dead tomorrow. And if he does kill who we choose: Whatever. Doesn't prove anything (even a wolf would kill another wolf in this situation because if he doesn't he'll be guaranteed lynch the next day), but at least we don't lose a day.

And one more thing to notice: IF randumb does NOT kill who we choose, that does NOT necessarily mean that the person who he DIDN'T KILL is a wolf. It does, however, basically guarantee that randumb himself is a wolf.

In short:
if: randumb's kill == the people's choice
then: nothing really. The statue is possibly removed from the wolves, but it does not prove randumb's humanity. Also, we don't lose a day because we'd simply be killing who we'd kill tomorrow today.

if: randumb's kill != the people's choice
then: randumb is a wolf but the people's choice that he refused to kill is not necessarily a wolf.

ps

It would already be gone if I was a wolf.

what do you mean?

[nforcer06164]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

I'm going to place my randumb kill on kefit. He's been a lot less helpful this game than he has in the recent past, where he was human. His contributions have been lukewarm at best. His hasty bandwagon didn't sit well with me, either.

[blahblah18]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

kefit's human he'd make time for the game otherwise... i'll vote ddr and say jurs has got to go

[User6773]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

DDR: Afro, Kefit, Blah (3)
Jurs: DDR (1)
Kefit: Nforcer (1)

Hasn't voted:
Jurs, Matt, Mini, Stretchy

Day ends @ 8 PM tonight.

[ddrdanc3r55]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

what do you mean?

That means if I already had it, the humans would already have lost the statute. Assuming I 'm a wolf.

[JurseyRider734]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

For now i'm putting my vote on panda because i'm not really sure whether I want to aid in ddr getting lynched. Him having the statue makes things a lot more difficult and i'm not sure whether or not he should go.

Right now i'm debating between blah and kefit for the other kill. I guess i'll initially go with Kefit* because he was one of my top suspects.

*Likely to change because blah is annoying me.

[stretchypanda]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

Okay, if you're choosing between two top players for who to kill, don't choose someone "because he annoys you". That's awful, terrible, bad, bad voting.

As far as I'm concerned, lynching ddr is the best thing we've got right now. I'm not entirely sure about the other kill. I'll figure that out later.

Where are Matt and Mini?

[MiniNeo]

Re: TWG XXXII - Day 4 (Sorry, Wilkin)

I'm here.

I am voting kefit because I agree with the other points that makes him a wolf, and because I probably won't be able to get on the computer in time to make the day-end vote. So I will have one of you guys switch or have matt insta lynch ddr.