TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game Thread)

[Red Blaster]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

from that, nothing: possibilities being that the jailed target couldnt make a kill, or that (this is getting redundant lol) remaining wolf opted for no kill to incriminate the jailed player

I believe if they try to kill but get blocked its still a trackable action.

[YoshL]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

Votes from post 3607 to post 3811
Night in 0:05:33
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 3 -- MixMasterLar -- Gradiant (34), Red Blaster (22), botchi246 (11)
• 3 -- not voting -- MixMasterLar (14), rzr (69), thesunfan (49)

:00 good :01 bad

5 minutes til eod, phantoms in effect (oooooo)

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

[twg]sunfan[/twgv] never been on a wagon here, not about to start now. I built a case on MML long ago so I don't wanna hear shit. Sorry I had to sign in to post this - viewing from logout till Weds - cya! (;

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

fuck me sunfan

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

fuck it, this is everything I've reread and commented on up to page 167, I don't see the point n going on another 20 pages when nobody listens anyway so here (I'll re-quote the more important things):

People are listening, I know you know that.

Given the set up we know now, I regard this as more of a town slip

Thanks!

I don't know what to think of this. I don't think botchi would be a busser, again especially in this case. And given the no kill possibilities, I think botchi posting 3/4 wolves as his top scum leads (and him being a wolf) is slim to none odds.

You talk about not knowing what to think about it, then draw a conclusion that botchi is unlikely to bus, and not only that, but falsely conclude that he is unlikely to read both of the other wolves as wolves, which scum has the easiest job of doing in the game. He also would be bussing his only teammate, which I agree is not too likely for him, so I can use this against you, same way you're using it against me.[/quote]
[QUOTE=rzr;4402975]
Minor data point here that I believe I've mentioed already

I don't get why people think being emotional in this instance is alignment indicative I really don't. I really, really, don't.

This was in regards to Zenith clearing MML. I don't take this as very genuine
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=2766 - as much as I want to take this is as genuine, I don't it feels forced. Particularly things like "I am just an ordinary citizen." and "me saying rb is a wolf was just shitposting. " and saying I'm scummy, but leaving me completely out of his reads list.
Page 139 is chock full of examples why if MML/DBP, I would never ever vote for botchi. If MML/Zenith I could still be inclned to see the partnership between the other two. That and the following page, that is clear Zenith tunneling on Botchi - not bussing, not distancing. And botchi seems to get pretty irritated with Zenith. If MML/DBP, then I would bet my next paycheck it'd be Zenith/sunfan
Town points for botchi here http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=2810

I agree that it does not seem very genuine to me. Its not the worst thing that's been said but I do somewhat agree here.

This pisses me off cuz I've been going out of my way not to say things like this

(yes)

Redirect to here so that you guys remember if I'm jailed tonight and sunfan or whoever opts for a no kill, I'm probably getting lynched out of convenience, but just remember this, and this:

I feel like its stuff people knew already but ok

This deserves special attention as it's been addressed a little bit

@the hidden comment, I think that it was just an accident... I think that he tried to post it before the phase ended its not really relevant.
@DBP's vote... a vote doesn't really matter... he had claimed scum... no one should look at the vote to look for information.

The only living non vote is botchi. I think DBP's implication refers to the actual people who voted for him. In this particular instance I would say that avoiding a vote on DBP, as his partner, would almost be detrimental to it.

@DBP's vote... a vote doesn't really matter... he had claimed scum... no one should look at the vote to look for information.

Another data point. Seems like sunfan has thought out the no kill in detail

I was not the only one talking about it, I was nowhere near the first person to bring it up. I was the only one talking about how stupid it is to no-kill there, especially considering that its better to make the follower use their role AND make their kill, because a tracker outing their results likely condemns a wolf who makes a kill, or slightly less-so but still likely using the follower power.

This definitelymakes me feel stronger about Zenith/MML
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

Its like, just a comment, I don't particularly care about it one way or another.

I also notice after this AA calls out sunfan quite a bit - and then who dies in the night?

Again, Lar killed the cop... But even if that wasn't the case, I would HAVE to check him because I think it was pretty obvious he was trying to check.

Again the only person to bring up a no kill - http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=3188
follow up with post 3190 leads me to think 99% sunfan already knew people were suspcious of him, and he knew based on claims at this point that people would be seering him one way or another. If DBP was sunfan's partner a no kill from here on out seems to be (just about) his only choice for remaining UTR. Another reason for the cop to get killed before the tracker

Its pretty clear from that that I'm answering a direct question... and so its not really me being the only person talking about it...

AA makes a good point here, and it's quite a coincidence MML and Zenith are here along next to sunfan, and says it was to apply pressure which I don't really believe. AA already had the pressure - there was a solid lack of a death and he was jailed, already gaining attention and had 2 votes real quick. Pressure, or at least l-2 pressure, seems unwarranted in this instance and frankly opportunistic

Again, it was pressure, like I did on DBP, and l-2 means that there's probably not a rush. If he got one more vote, I was unvoting right with something like "Not time to lynch yet etc etc"

Again what? I just find this such an odd post to make - I am all for providing both sides of the situation, but this just seems so out of place

Just providing info, friend...

From here you can completely assume botchi is almost cleared - both followers are dead and the only way mml COULD "KNOW" BOTCHI WOULD FLIP RED WOULD BE TO HAVE FOLLOWED HIM. Which he obviously didn't - so I see 2 possibilities:
MML's partner followed botchi and found him to be the rival faction (though I can't explain why he would still be alive at this point) or botchi has to be town. I think there might be a small chance he is scum, but I don't think the evidence points that way here, and it's totally worth noting sunfan's reply to MML's statement:

I don't think that's likely, I mean its possible, but I think that Lar might out that botchi is the last scum in that scenario.

The only post in between these two is Gradiant asking Zenith the same question. Explain to me, sunfan, why you don't think Zenith would have been a better option considering this major slip? Of course, MML's tracker slip was already noted, but this would bring me closer to believing sunfan/Zenith combo is plausible

I've thought Lar was the best kill since before Ben lynched. I've been pushing him as scum for a good while now, so it lines up pretty heavily with my play. I even said two things earlier in the game about how Zenith saying stupid/cheesecake shit and still townread him, mostly for meta and tone.

Is this a small slip? Perhaps because sunfan would know why the wolves would no kill and botchi's statement irked him - either way leading me further away from botchi
Also, on page 165 just about everybody asks Sunfan to elaborate on when he said his top read was MML. Based on what I've already said, I would think that it's very possible Sunfan's follower partner followed MML and got that read, and with him gaining traction for a lynch there would be no point in killing him in the night. I'm starting to think the term slank was invented for you Greg

What?

No time to explain, posting now, can explain later if people want

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

lar

[YoshL]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

that is insta, please sxtop posting

[YoshL]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

Votes from post 3607 to post 3817
It is night
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 4 -- MixMasterLar -- Gradiant (34), Red Blaster (22), botchi246 (11), thesunfan (51)
• 1 -- thesunfan -- rzr (71)
• 1 -- not voting -- MixMasterLar (14)

final votecount

[YoshL]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

MixMasterLar has byyn lunched.

He was a Werewolf

To re-iterate, night ends in 24 hours, or when all parties have sent in PMs. If this happens after i fall asleep, I'm going to start the day around noon EST as a heads up. Regardless, the following day will be 24 hours long.

[botchi246]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

Werewolf is now lunchmeat. Good job team

[YoshL]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

Botchi has been modkilled, the game is over

Town wins

[Charu]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

Wow

[Charu]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

What a lame way to end the game.

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

wait wut?

[ejthedj00]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

omg I just said that to my wife wtf botchi but thanks anyway I juuuuust said that you getting modlled would make the game lol