jTWG XXIV: iTWG

[FictionJunction]

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If flaw is a wolf, the seer (if he's the real seer) will die tonight.
If both flaw and the seer (if he's the real seer) there is the chance they're both wolves and are staging this, or that they both have a legit human-seer relationship.

We are unaware of the seer's reasoning, so we cannot necessarily trust it because we don't know why the seer (if he is the seer) spoke to flaw out of all people.

Flaw, you said you may be subject to death tonight, why is that?

[FictionJunction]

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Also, in Nija's derfense.. all he's been doing (I've been doing it myself) has been stating possible branches of what would happen given certain situations. I wouldn't call it planning, perse, but more of a 'hey, if this happens this should happen because of this, this, and this.' Thing is, Nija, or anyone else for that matter, expected the seer (if he's the real seer) to come out to anyone at this point.

In regard to your 'what's the point in planning and not putting it into action' retort, well, you jsut witnessed how none of us have any control over anything that'll occur, with the exception of the seer/wolves. Don't tell people to do things when you know no one can't do anything about it.

[FictionJunction]

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Thing is, Nija, or anyone else for that matter, expected the seer (if he's the real seer) to come out to anyone at this point.

I meant:

Thing is, Nija, or anyone else for that matter, never expected the seer (if he's the real seer) to come out to anyone at this point.

[flawofhumanity]

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Well, for one, if the human-seer relationship is legit, this would break it, basically wasting a night. Also, if the shaman is in contact with me, it would be best for him to wolf me before I come out with his name to anyone. Also, among other things, right now I'm in the middle of the controversies going on, and by eliminating me, it would bring everyone back to square one in a way, effectively nullifying any information we've came to throughout the course of these events. Also, like I said, when or if I die, someone will come out with more information on the possibilities of why I've been killed.

[FictionJunction]

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If you're not willing to mention why you're a probable wolf kill, then say why the seer trusts you.

If a wolf had any reason to kill you, he would not start a relaitonship with you. He would just kill you and avoid any trouble.

[nijatwo]

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Demon, your delusions of adequacy amaze me. Out of 100,000 sperm YOU were the fastest? Give me a break. Unfortunately I’m not the seer or a mason or a wolf so I can’t act on anything I’ve posted (obviously why it hasn’t happened). Nothing works unless people actually take the time to think and apply it. I still think you’re probably a wolf. Just because other people didn’t recognize it doesn’t mean you’re off the hook.

And must I reiterate- I really hope it was the shaman that came to flaw about the seering. A stillborn baby would know better than to go to him if they were the seer and they had NOT seered him night 1. The other case would be a green faking, which is TOTAL bull****. Flaw, BE CAREFUL OF WHAT HE ASKS/TELLS YOU.

[flawofhumanity]

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Nija - Will you be on AIM anytime soon? I have some thoughts I would like to discuss with you.

[nijatwo]

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More stuff was posted while I was typing:

Flaw-> What I'm seeing in your post is "this is why I'm hot, so you better not kill me and I know a seer". If that's the case and you really are in contact with the seer, the DUMBEST thing you can do is reveal that name to ANYONE since we don't know the other wolves are. Unfortunately, if you're being played by the shaman you probably WONT die because you'll be a great tool for the wolves. Regardless, since there is no carflipping we won't know how it plays out until later.

I really don't like the number of random variables right now, can we PLEASE try and narrow all of this down? It's a night phase, we've got a couple of days until the next lynch, so we shouldn't be thinking about that until we think of a plan. Remember, this game could potentially end in 4 days if the wolves get through clean- and the potentially fake seer would be the perfect conduit for that.

I'll be on aim around 7pm EST

[flawofhumanity]

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More stuff was posted while I was typing:

Flaw-> What I'm seeing in your post is "this is why I'm hot, so you better not kill me and I know a seer". If that's the case and you really are in contact with the seer, the DUMBEST thing you can do is reveal that name to ANYONE since we don't know the other wolves are. Unfortunately, if you're being played by the shaman you probably WONT die because you'll be a great tool for the wolves. Regardless, since there is no carflipping we won't know how it plays out until later.

I really don't like the number of random variables right now, can we PLEASE try and narrow all of this down? It's a night phase, we've got a couple of days until the next lynch, so we shouldn't be thinking about that until we think of a plan. Remember, this game could potentially end in 4 days if the wolves get through clean- and the potentially fake seer would be the perfect conduit for that.

I'll be on aim around 7pm EST

Nija I haven't posted anything about being lynched, and why I shouldn't be lynched. Fiction merely asked why I think it's a possibility that I will die, and I told him.

Also, like I said earlier. There's not a whole lot we can do to narrow down the situation we are in right now, which is a possible seer/shaman coming to an unconfirmed human. Now, from what I know MOST of his past actions reinforce the fact that he is the seer. The thing we do have to worry about is why he came forward to ME, and why he only did it when manti became in danger of being lynched.

[T3hDDRKid]

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I agree with Nija on this; I decide not to vote Flaw, change it to Mant, take a shower and sleep, suddenly Maik is jumped on a sketchy seer call overly late in the day.

If both flaw and the seer (if he's the real seer) there is the chance they're both wolves and are staging this, or that they both have a legit human-seer relationship.

But the seer could not have seered a human, then a red by this point - he's only had one crack at seering, and wouldn't have the ability to trust anybody with a red seering at this point.

[I'm pretty sure this is safe?] Flaw, could you tell me, did the seer come to you personally or was it a "I heard from somebody that the seer told him he was red" deal? It seems to me that a shaman may be playing you.

In addition to that, why would a seer check Maik? I would check somebody like Nija, pnt, Mamimi, one of the vets.. Not a first-timer. Unless the seer is very stupid and came out blindly after checking a noob who was red, I call that BS is going on here.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Look I know I'm not looking to hot right now and I'm willing to admit it. Most of the votes for me last night though were "Well, manti spread about information flaw gave him, and fiction lied about it and manti is as the base of that lie". I did the best I could to explain why I told fiction about flaw's im'img me the whole pnt conversation. If anyone needs clarification im willing to give it. Simply Im me tonight.

The thing I still don't get though is why Flaw gave me a completley useless peice of info, and led me to believe other people had peices as well. I went digging around for other info because I believed it might be a useful tool in getting a worthwhile lynch. Later, I found out that noone had gotten any other peice of that conversation, and the entire thing I had been searching for was for the most part a joke.

pnt: lol, I know your role
Flaw: O rly?
pnt: yeah, lolololo your green because your name on aim is green

Why would someone lead me to believe that this convo was important when we have all deamed it was not?

I will not fade into the background because of last night, and I will attempt to have the humans win regaurdless of what happens to me. If you do think I'm a wolf, and nothing will change your mind, vote me off ASAP so I can go and play in the TWG game.

[T3hDDRKid]

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Also, like I said earlier. There's not a whole lot we can do to narrow down the situation we are in right now, which is a possible seer/shaman coming to an unconfirmed human. Now, from what I know MOST of his past actions reinforce the fact that he is the seer. The thing we do have to worry about is why he came forward to ME, and why he only did it when manti became in danger of being lynched.

Just a thought, but perhaps a wolf faked seer to Flaw to protect Mant, a fellow wolf. I'm keeping this in mind.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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@ ddr

flaw said the seer told him it was a random seering because he thought the night kill would be random as well.

[T3hDDRKid]

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... That makes no sense. "Well, since the night kill could be anybody, I may as well seer a noob."

[flawofhumanity]

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He said since "roles" were randomly chosen out of a hat, he chose his seer in somewhat of the same way. Doesn't make sense to me either, but whatever works.