jTWG XXIV: iTWG

[thunderstrike687]

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Alright, so Fiction provided us with a number of events that could have happened. What seems to be going on in the game/chats right now revolves around a conversation that pnt and flaw had the night before pnt was wolfed. Only a few lines of the conversation has been revealed to me by Fiction, who was given it from manti. Manti received it from flaw. This is bringing up a big question as to what flaw's role actually is. Here is the conversation:

merlonifan28 (5:51:37 PM): but, anyways, i know what you are
merlonifan28 (5:51:51 PM): and i will convince others to think the same, when the time comes
RedRumForTheRich (5:52:12 PM): Psh, what am I?
merlonifan28 (5:52:27 PM): you know i cant tell you, why even askl

So the Seer should seer flaw. Then follow the steps of what Fiction posted. If Flaw is a blue, then form the alliance. I think the same should be done if he's a green to.

DO NOT SEER FLAW.

I think everyone should take into consideration what I am about to post about.

I think that Flaw is a possible MW and Farka would therefore be a wolf assisting in the infiltration of any human alliance.

Lets begin.

First off, I would like to lay out the general idea here.

I think that Flaw is the MW, and Farka and possibly Manti are both wolves as well. If this proves correct, Farka would be assisting Flaw into getting into the human alliance.

merlonifan28 (5:51:37 PM): but, anyways, i know what you are
merlonifan28 (5:51:51 PM): and i will convince others to think the same, when the time comes
RedRumForTheRich (5:52:12 PM): Psh, what am I?
merlonifan28 (5:52:27 PM): you know i cant tell you, why even askl

So the Seer should seer flaw. Then follow the steps of what Fiction posted. If Flaw is a blue, then form the alliance. I think the same should be done if he's a green to.

this is the really important part to read.

In the little bit of the log there, pnt expresses knowledge of flaw's role. Flaw, in my mind, then answers in a ****y way, which would indicate to me that he thinks that he could not know his role. If he was a MW, YOU WOULD NOT FIGURE THIS OUT THROUGH A SEERING!

Then Farka goes on to suggest a seering, as if to say he thinks he is a possible blue.

But read carefully.

So the Seer should seer flaw. Then follow the steps of what Fiction posted. If Flaw is a blue, then form the alliance. I think the same should be done if he's a green to.

If you were thinking he was a blue farka, why bother mentioning if he was a green? Your theory was based around Flaw being in a possible role of some importance, why even address this theory?



I have also heard that Flaw has expressed to a number of you that he wants to be seered. IF HE HAS ASKED TO BE SEERED IN YOUR PRESENCE, PLEASE CONSIDER THE MOTIVATION BEHIND IT!

Any normal green would not be so persistent in being seered. They wouldnt care either way.

Please take this into consideration.

With this being said, my vote is for Flaw.

[T3hDDRKid]

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If what Fiction has told me is true, this is certainly most important - not releasing these documents could possibly mean that flaw is wolf [I've been told MW, even.]

But why would pnt be stupid enough to go "HEY, I'M THE SEER! KILL ME!"? Forgery, possibly? That would be very much against Flaw. But why would he forge a convo possibly incriminating himself? There are holes in my thinking, and posting this convo could help fill them in. Until that time, I am changing my prior safety vote from yess to Flaw.

[Yesssss]

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I would like to clarify something. My vote against thunder was something to just stir up some more activity. It may have been a bad decision but I just wanted to see what the responses would be. Thunder got bandwagon voted on, and bandwagoning is a very big plus towards the wolves (at least I think it is).

There was little to no evidence against thunder and I now switch my vote to manticore simply to prevent bandwagoning.

I still need to think it through but I need to leave right now. I might change my vote again.

[T3hDDRKid]

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My post looked like a bandwagon, but thunder simply ninja'd me. The link to Farka is a stretch, but if Flaw was indeed a MW, I would find that more than likely. I would suggest, in my opinion, that the seer [assuming he is alive] seer farka. If he turns out to be red, then we have one wolf and almost certainly the master wolf, Flaw.

[FictionJunction]

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If what Fiction has told me is true, this is certainly most important - not releasing these documents could possibly mean that flaw is wolf [I've been told MW, even.]

But why would pnt be stupid enough to go "HEY, I'M THE SEER! KILL ME!"? Forgery, possibly? That would be very much against Flaw. But why would he forge a convo possibly incriminating himself? There are holes in my thinking, and posting this convo could help fill them in. Until that time, I am changing my prior safety vote from yess to Flaw.

this is pretty much Manticore's channel of thought, though he voted for Thunder.

by "If what Fiction has told me is true" he means, the log between pnt and flaw, and him not wanting to share it; this is why I made a demand earlier in the game.

[Yesssss]

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It doesn't seem likely that manticore would be lynched due to my vote, and I don't have too much suspicion on him either, but then again due to the evidence put out now and the soon deadline, it looks like flaw is getting the lynch.

You may think that I would be a fellow wolf for not voting against flaw but agreeing with everyone else, but any wolf would vote against a fellow wolf in this case to try and prevent suspicion (at least that's what I think).

[FictionJunction]

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I HEREBY DEMAND THAT FLAWOFHUMANITY RELEASE THE LOGS OF HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DECEASED, PNTBALLA:

merlonifan28 (5:51:37 PM): but, anyways, i know what you are
merlonifan28 (5:51:51 PM): and i will convince others to think the same, when the time comes
RedRumForTheRich (5:52:12 PM): Psh, what am I?
merlonifan28 (5:52:27 PM): you know i cant tell you, why even askl

IT IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS VILLAGE (lol rp) LACK. IT WOULD SURELY HELP IN OUR DECISION TO KILL THE RIGHT PERSON.

ALL IN FAVOUR (british spelling lol) PLEASE AGREE AND, IF YOU ARE ABLE, ADD TO THIS REQUEST.

THAT IS ALL

quoted for attention.

[thunderstrike687]

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My post looked like a bandwagon, but thunder simply ninja'd me. The link to Farka is a stretch, but if Flaw was indeed a MW, I would find that more than likely. I would suggest, in my opinion, that the seer [assuming he is alive] seer farka. If he turns out to be red, then we have one wolf and almost certainly the master wolf, Flaw.

Farka isn't my main concern. It would just be a likely tie in the event of this being true.

[FictionJunction]

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Hi wilkin.

[kentbball]

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Safety vote vash because I'm exetremely unsure of both flaw, and thunder.

[flawofhumanity]

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Ok, I'm going to put a rest to these comments. You want a log? Too bad, I already told someone I will give it to them on Day 2. No one, and I repeat, no one will be getting the full log before then, and if I die tonight, it's probably going to die with me. That's fine though, because I'm the MW, and this log is worth lynching me, right? Well, before my lynch, let me give you some what I consider useful information.


Between these logs,there are two lies. At the heart of both lies stands Manti. Let me first establish a time line between everything that has happened.

Pntballa is lynched.

I mention to Fiction my suspicions that pnt was a possible blue.

We argue for a little bit.

We pass the issue, and begin to talk about things of another nature.

I lightly mention to Farka that I have had conversation with ptnballa while we are talking about his death.

Me and fiction get into it again, it settles.

I tell manti about my suspicions, and then he throws a **** fit and pastes the portion I gave to him in trust, and telling him that he would get more of the log on day 2, and gives it to multiple people right away.

Fiction then proceeds to say something he can only know by receiving the log.

I ask fiction how he figured it out, and he claims he 'deduced' it from my conversation, which is severely doubtful, but I decide to not argue assuming I can't prove it at the moment.

During all this, while I'm talking to farka, Farka mentions the conversation, and states that Fiction learned of the conversation from manti.

I ask for logs, and he claims he has exited out of the IM and did not log it.

I decide this is enough information, and confront Fiction.

Fiction fervently denies receiving ANY information from Manti in any way, shape or form.

Fiction gives me logs and SS of his whole conversation with Farka, in which he NEVER mentions learning anything from Manti. At this point, I ready logs and begin to post.

At this point, Farka changes his story and says that MANTI told him he gave the info to Fiction, not that fiction stated it. He still has no logs because he exited the conversation.

After this, we enter a chat. In this chat I state my intentions are to post all the information above, possibly incriminating one of the three of us. At this point Fiction fesses up, saying that he did in fact talk to Manti, and that is where he received his information.

Now then, they have been trying to sway me away from posting this information all day, and I guess they want it to die with me. This could be a huge misunderstanding, but it could be two wolves, or possibly one trying to distance themselves from another, Manticore, to be specific.

Again, this may or may not change anything, but for my own reasons, I'm not releasing the log for at least one more day. This information should be useful to someone, and may play a part later in the game, which I suppose can be worth my lynch. In my opinion, the seer should NOT seer one of these players tonight, as they are likely a wolf, and at this point in the game seering a wolf is not our main objective, especially if we want to start an alliance. However, after the alliance is safely formed, these players can possibly give a wealth of information.

And with that, good luck guys, you'll need it.

[FictionJunction]

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I would like to state that my lie is justified.

I lied because the topic of discussion between manticore and I was, indeed, flaw. I spoke of how flawed his [flaw] argument as to pntballa being a seer was, because from a logical perspective, it really wouldn't make sense. I didn't want to break the trust between me and manticore, so I told flaw I 'deduced' it in order to protect manticore. Afterwards, I soon realized I'd be caught in a lie sooner or later and confessed what I had done. I broke my trust with Manticore and flaw, and that's better than keeping one that may or may not be harmful and breaking another under the same circumstances. Breaking both is only fair for myself.

There you have it.
My little excuse. ~ryoo

[Farka]

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After Fiction had described to me about how flaw could be the MW, it'd be smart to say that the seer should not form an alliance with him if he's seered green. This point in made obvious by thunder in his post. The seer should remain cautious with flaw if he's seered green.

Realize that I wrote that post BEFORE the possibility of flaw being the MW occured.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Right, lets get started -

When flaw came to me I was not suspicious of him at all, but he gave me a log of him and pnt talking night 1 and I didn't understand why he would incriminate himself. I don't believe a wolf would do that, but a human would if he was looking for a partner. We had a long talk, and from that I'm deducing he's simply a human with some good info. I happen to think that info may be valuable. I do not think it would be in our best interest to have this info lost.

The reason I shared that info with people is because I was focusing too much into the convo he had with pnt. What's done is done I suppose, but neither of us are wolves.

My vote still remains on thunder, I do not come to the conclusion that flaw is a wolf. Remember, I had all this info before I made my vote on thunder, I do see thunder as a possible wolf threat. flaw, however, is not.

[Farka]

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I can also justify my lie. I exited out my conversations because I switched from my pc to my laptop. I forgot that manti explained it to me, and I said fiction did instead. It was a misquoting. We justified that in the chat, flaw, and yet you failed to justify it in public.

Flaw told Manti about the conversation with pnt. Manti told Fiction. Fiction told me. I told manti. Somewhere I misquoted because I closed out my conversations(which occured about a half hour before) and I had forgotten where I got the real source of information from. Which I got from Fiction.