jTWG IV – Level 4 “Level 4" HUMANS WIN Day 4

[Spheroid]

Welcome to the second jTWG IV. It's the same story as last time, just a few lines have been edited due to different players.

jTWG IV – Introductory Level “Field of Flowers” Night 1

Ah, what a marvelous sight! A beautiful field of flowers rests in an ever cherry atmosphere. Pacing onwards through this grand scene is a group of 18 people, all trained professionals, on a serious mission.

Yet the gloomy feeling of the impending work has been has been lifted on this fine day. Even Snapps, who usually can’t stand such surroundings is less tense than usual. Gamepro even recalls him complementing the scene, yet Snapps will not admit to it.

“If only we could stay here forever” Evilpeer mutters.”

“Yeah, but they ain’t paying us to go on no picnic,” replies AasumDude.

“We could always abandon the mission,” suggests Slacky, “and just stay here.”

“We actualy could,” states Vash. “There’s enough food growing here to feed all of us.”

“But no,” concludes Ddrruler. “We’re on a serious mission, and a field of flowers isn’t going to stop us from completing it. Besides, have any of you seen the size of the paychecks we’re getting?”

“I think they were just kidding anyway,” replies Rsr2

The group continued along in a half silence through the picturesque landscape, each member savoring the delightful aroma, the vivid vista, and the clear blue sky. It was heaven on earth, yet no person dared to break from the orders to enjoy it.

“What exactly is our mission anyway?” asks Daniel_lewis20.

“Important,” responded Psychic25, and the whole group broke out laughing.

“But seriously,” interjected Lupin_the_3rd, “The whole explanation of what we’re supposed to do was quite confusing. None of it made any sense.”

“Oh it wasn’t confusing at all,” Bullettime commented. “The directions were clear as a bell.”

“Yes, agreed Danceguy. “Our directions were fairly simple”

“Yet completing them is near impossible” Akorn comments.

“Come on, stop stalling and just explain it,” Rye interrupts, in a quite annoyed tone.

“Ok, I’ll say it in simple English,” responds Freak. “Our mission is simply to kill our host, Spheroid.”

A silence fell over the group. The sheer impossibility of killing their host rang through their heads. And then they saw it. Ahead there was still a field, yet no flowers. . .

It is now Night 1. I need pm's from the wolves, gaurdian, and seer asap. 24 hours to get them in. Exceptions will only be mad under just reasoning.

Here's the aim list. I still need some names, so if your screen name isn't listed, than please post or pm it. (Thanks to bullettime90 for making it.)

eVILPeeR -- hxcvb
Gamepro17616 -- Gamepro17616
VashtheGunman7 -- VashtheGunman7
Rye_Bread -- ryanjakubek
Freak83 -- Real Freak83
ddrruler -- blueflame0000001
Lupin_the_Third -- Legat0bluesummrs
slackygorgeking -- Xenofixus88
psychic25 -- ilseruus
daniel_lewis20 -- DANLEWIS2005
Snapps -- Snapps50
akorn -- AkornPT
bullettime90 -- bullettime90
rsr2 -- (SN NEEDED)
dAnceguy117 -- P337teh1337
AasumDude- (SN NEEDED)

[Spheroid]

jTWG IV – Level 1 “Expanse of Fog” Day 1

It was a miserable hour in which the group had to part from the field of flowers. All that was happy left them, leaving them with the ever worsening sense of what this mission would entail. It puzzled a few how the break between the two lands was so sudden – as if a straight line divided them, yet the ghastly feeling of the new land kept all silence. One by one, each person crossed the border, leaving more than they could imagine behind.

The path from here on was rough. In a vast expanse of fog, the endless field rendered everyone all but lost. The gloom and silence was all but unbearable, and for a few hours, no one dared speak. Finally, one person decided to break the silence.

“How much longer will this field last for?” gasped Evilpeer.

After a long silence, Dan_Lewis replied by saying “It doesn’t look like anytime soon.”

The deathly marched continued on, with the incessant sound of pacing to accompany it. And when each and every person felt they couldn’t continue longer, the conditions worsened. The shrouded sky grew darker, the silence went deeper, but worst of all, the fog thickend.

And it thickend quickly. Within the length of time it takes TWG to fill up, everyone’s vision was clouded to the point of blindness. Hysteria broke loose among group , and in this confusion, a cry for help was heard.

“Help, I can’t move” shouted a desperate Snapps, but he was drowned out by the sound of gunfire.

Soon enough, the fog cleared, and the commotion died down. Snapps stood unmoving; three bullets hovered near his head.

“Is he – is he dead?” stammered Slacky.

“Only one way to find out,” said Rye_Bread as he walked over to Snapps

As soon as he made contact, Snapps reawakened.

“This was the work of Spheroid. He tried to have me killed” said Snapps in a disgusted voice.

“Who saved you by stopping those bullets then?” questioned Akorn

A pause followed this, as people began to consider what it meant.

“Spheroid did,” Gamepro stated plainly

“But if Spheroid wanted Snapps dead, why did he save him?” asked Rsr2.

“It appears as if Spheroid’s power is not infinite as we thought,” said Freak.

“Yes, but he is still powerful, “warned Danceguy. “Remember, he does write all of our lines.”

“By the bullet shots, it appears that Spheroid has sent minions of his to join this group,” said Bullettime. “Three to be exact.”

“If we want to complete our mission and claim our checks, we’ll have to get rid of these three minions,” said Ddrruler.

“But how do we know who they are?” questioned Vash. “There’s no way to tell the difference.”

“We’ll have to find a way,” said Lupin, “Or else we’re all dead.”

“How about we all vote on one person to kill,” suggested Psychic. “Every time a person dies we’ll do this. It’ll at least give us a chance.”

“Sounds good to me,” said Aasumdude.

And so through fear, they forgot the misery of the land they still walked in. As they continued down the fogged trail, they contemplated who they would all kill that day.”

In short: Snapps was gaurded



48 hours (Saturday 7 C, 8 E), 9 votes to instalynch

List of remaining players (and aim names):

eVILPeeR -- hxcvb
Gamepro17616 -- Gamepro17616
VashtheGunman7 -- VashtheGunman7
Rye_Bread -- ryanjakubek
Freak83 -- Real Freak83
ddrruler -- blueflame0000001
Lupin_the_Third -- Legat0bluesummrs
slackygorgeking -- Xenofixus88
psychic25 -- ilseruus
daniel_lewis20 -- DANLEWIS2005
Snapps -- Snapps50
akorn -- AkornPT
bullettime90 -- bullettime90
rsr2 -- (SN NEEDED)
dAnceguy117 -- P337teh1337
AasumDude- (SN NEEDED)

Happy Lynching :D

[Snapps]

As always the person who dies gets one last sentence.

GUYS K ITS OBVIOUS ITS FREAK


EDIT: wait what the hell i was gaurded? makes no sence XD

[ddrruler]

GJ guardian!!!Also dont capitalize the first d in ddrruler.:)

[ddrruler]

Wait doesn't this mean we win...

[Kilgamayan]

...

And you wonder why your application for TWG got rejected.

[psychic25]

Snapps is alive.

ALL SPECIAL ROLES, IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY, CONTACT SNAPPS AND TELL HIM YOUR ROLE. HE IS A GUARANTEED HUMAN.

And as for the possibility that he is a wolf killed by his own team, I HIGHLY doubt it. I doubt that the wolf team would risk killing Snapps in order to throw people off (especially because there's no reason to divert people's attention).

[ddrruler]

*Cough* psychic don't bring up memories of last game...and kilga I HAVE A MAJOR CHOICE TO MAKE WHICH WILL REFLECT MY WHOLE LIFE,****ING BACK OFF.

[ddrruler]

Snapps Since your a human 100%.I'll place my vote on you untill someone arouses suspicion untill then my vote remains as I might not be able to get on the forums again tonight.

[dAnceguy117]

Uh, ddrruler, self-votes are always the better way to go. And besides, you don't need to get on again tonight, voting ends in 40 hours >_>

Awesome job guardian ^_^ This is looking good. And remember, Snapps, a strong HA is the last thing the wolves want. Be on the lookout for fake special roles.

Unfortunately, I gotta go do homework. I'll take a quick shower after I get done, and hopefully I can get on AIM for a little while.

[psychic25]

Guys, I think the best thing to do today is hold off voting.

We can have an extremely productive Day 1 (with Snapps being guarded and all), and I don't intend to waste it. If we all vote, we're more likely to instalynch somebody, thus ending the day early.

Also, note how in TWG, nobody votes until almost halfway through the day, until they are forced to.

[Rye_Bread]

Psychic25 is right. Just like we discussed in post game, instalynching is BAD especially when there are no major clues. All we know is that Snapps is almost definetly a human, and now he knows the roles of all the special humans. DDrruler why would you vote? Why?

Cheers,
Ryan

[Spheroid]

I made a mistake on the times. It's 8 eastern, not 9. I edited it above but I need to make sure people know. As long as I'm posting.

Spheroid's Voting Guide

Snapps -- 1 (ddrruler)

[ddrruler]

DONT PUT ANY CAPITALS IN MY ACCONT NAME...

[Lupin_the_3rd]

Be on the lookout for fake special roles.

Anonymity is key. The roles must go to snapps, but there is no need for the guardian to know the seer, psychic to know the guardian, etc. In this way, a wolf faking a role has no benefit to being in the invisible alliance. Snapps will be the pivotal person in this game in terms of special roles.

[Freak83]

As always the person who dies gets one last sentence.

GUYS K ITS OBVIOUS ITS FREAK


EDIT: wait what the hell i was gaurded? makes no sence XD

Uhh, no. I would have no reason to wolf you if I was a wolf.

slacky on the other hand, I do recall talking to him after the game got restarted and I told him that snapps was a wolf from last game. He did say something like "We would have got owned, Snapps is good." or something like that.

I'm not casting a vote yet though without hearing anything first.

(I'm also in a cross between pleased and surprised the wolves didn't try to kill me night one for once)

[dAnceguy117]

That is very true. However, at the same time, there are benefits of sneaking in an alliance as a special role (well really as a wolf). The wolf gives Snapps the wrong information, stuff like that, and bad things could happen. And anyways, you'll know something is up when you have two people telling you they're the same role ;D

Oh, by the way. DDrruler why would you vote? Why? ddrruler's vote was just basically the equivalent of a self-vote to make sure he avoids a phantom in case there is no instalynch (which is pretty foreign to jTWG). However, like I said, there's no need for that yet.

Gotta go take showar :O Be on AIM in like ten minutes.

[Freak83]

I'm probably paranoid

Xenofixus88: ... your logic is sad
Xenofixus88: Everyone knows snapps
Real Freak83: am i supposed to know this?
Xenofixus88: spheroiddice: if you think about it, psychic and snapps are the jtwc council
Xenofixus88: ilseruus: yeah basically :P
ilseruus: it seems that say
ilseruus: *way

Not gonna vote for him.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

That is very true. However, at the same time, there are benefits of sneaking in an alliance as a special role (well really as a wolf). The wolf gives Snapps the wrong information, stuff like that, and bad things could happen. And anyways, you'll know something is up when you have two people telling you they're the same role ;D

I think we can safely assume Snapps wouldn't "pick" to trust one special role over another if two were to appear. Meaning either way, nothing bad can happen, only the wolves blowing their cover.

[dAnceguy117]

Good point yet again :O The only thing you've left to cover for is if an inactive happens to get a special role :X But that probably won't be too much of a problem even if it happens. So this is looking awesome =D

K I gots an idea. (btw if you're just skimming and need to save time this isn't important)

P337 teh 1337: “Ok, I’ll say it in simple English,” responds Freak. “Our mission is simply to kill our host, Spheroid.”
Xenofixus88: ahh
P337 teh 1337: Let's lynch him
P337 teh 1337: ^_^
Xenofixus88: yeah
Xenofixus88: lets
P337 teh 1337: we win
P337 teh 1337: :D

[Lupin_the_3rd]

Good point yet again :O The only thing you've left to cover for is if an inactive happens to get a special role

Yeah, this definitely poses a problem (and has in the past). Not to mention the fact that 2 of the players don't even have aim- shouldn't that be a requirement or something? If these people don't start posting soon, we're in serious trouble.

[ddrruler]

ChromerIf you don't post tommorw you should be lynch'd for being inactive 3 games!!!

[Freak83]

Uh, Chromer isn't in this one I believe.

[Spheroid]

Hope you're kidding ddrruler, cause Chromer isn't playing in this game. Anyway, I sent out pm's to the two players who we don't have aim names for. Hopefully they'll listen to me and get one.

EDIT: Someone always has to beat me to it

[ddrruler]

lol I forgot we restarted X_X LOL stupid moment I really should start trying now...OK i will :)

[Lupin_the_3rd]

If we don't see adaquate posting from these people in the next two days, we have a problem on our hands

eVILPeeR -- hxcvb
akorn -- AkornPT
bullettime90 -- bullettime90
rsr2 -- (SN NEEDED)
AasumDude- (SN NEEDED)

Is chromer even playing, ddrruler?

[slackygorgeking]

evilpeer is playing he was in the chat....
no leads so far so I'll hold my vote..
be weary people I'm watching you DON'T slip up wolves :)

[VashtheGunman7]

GJ Guardian, that is the first time I have seen someone be guarded.

[eVILPeeR]

Hi sorry guys, sorry for being inactive there. I had an open house and other things to do today, I was away ALL day =(
It's nice to see that there was a guard on the first night, wow. From all the TWG's I've read, this is the first I've EVER seen of this.
Anyways, I think I'll just randomly vote. That's probably the best way to go, I would think.
Again, sorry for being inactive. It's nice to say we made it past Night 1 without any casualties.
Kudos to the Guardian

[Rye_Bread]

Slacky I am on to you like flies on ****. Having the (dis)pleasure lol of knowing you, I can tell when you're pulling any crap! On top of it I have a bull**** sensor better then Judge Judy! If i see you pulling any excuses out of your ass like last time, or being an eager beaver with days ending, or anything! Your toast!!!

Cheers,
Ryan

[Snapps]

Yeah same with me I was out of the house at Karate, pretty tired.

I guess I am very vital to the game now. I thought about laying low because I thought it would be funny to hear the n00bs suck but I think they need me.

And also the reason I blurted out Freak was the fact that I was the Wolf in the JTWG before this (the one that just got deleted and restarted into this). I told the other wolves it would be funnt to get Freak voted off because he has never really been able to play a game because he is always voted off first. So the plan was to vote him off and before the night was over he would have been dead.

Well I did get the wolves to vote for him and before you know it the game is deleted to start up into this. I was then entered into a chat room where Freak was. I told freak that we decided to all vote for him for laughs. He seemed pissed.

So now you can see why I voted him and why I blurted Freak.

[ddrruler]

10$ on ryan is a wolf *signs* [/sarcasm]

~ddrruler

[Rye_Bread]

You're avatar is hot. If it was you I might like you.

EDIT: Ugh, ddrruler i thought we said that sarcasm was bad. Are you incapable of learning from other's mistakes, or do you just want me lynched?

[Snapps]

You're avatar is hot. If it was you I might like you.



Too bad I'm a guy. I would so be all over you if I was her.

[Rye_Bread]

No sex for you!

But if you were her, I would drill you before you could say "drill me."
http://cheston.com/pbf/PBF011ADHammerScrewed.jpg

[ddrruler]

BACK ON TOPIC!!! >_<

[psychic25]

Yes, please get back on topic :P

I'll be glad when all the nonspeakers show up. If you haven't posted yet, I highly suggest you do, as inactivity is now (for this situation) a TREMENDOUS problem.

[AasumDude]

Hope you're kidding ddrruler, cause Chromer isn't playing in this game. Anyway, I sent out pm's to the two players who we don't have aim names for. Hopefully they'll listen to me and get one.

EDIT: Someone always has to beat me to it

I downloaded aim 3 mins ago and added all the players here. My name on it is "XCI 01".

[slackygorgeking]

Lance your message proves my point even more that your a ****. In this game you should be watching everyone.
Anyways look forward to the chat tonight

[ddrruler]

Ryan no editing your posts!!!Its in the rules...

[akorn]

Ok, so I check this thread yesterday and it's still night one, and now it's 3 pages long? xD I might not post at the same time as you guys though, because of time difference (+5 hour time
fuse).

So yeah, not much to go by yet... Hopefully we can get a nice chat going later and some ideas come up.

[daniel_lewis20]

hey, I don't really have anything to say or any evidence to incriminate anyone. But everyone be warned, I'm watching each one of you very carefully, DTA!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lupin_the_3rd]

In fact, if nothing arises, and nobody is incriminated (which most likely will be the case), I think that the best course of action would be to vote off an inactive. I think out of all twenty TWGs and jTWGs, there has only been a wolf lynching day one a couple of times. Voting off an inactive would not only benefit the humans by getting rid of someone who wouldn't contribute, but would hurt the wolves, because the wolves want to silence people and keep these unknown variables as possible suspect wolves alive.

[daniel_lewis20]

In fact, if nothing arises, and nobody is incriminated (which most likely will be the case), I think that the best course of action would be to vote off an inactive. I think out of all twenty TWGs and jTWGs, there has only been a wolf lynching day one a couple of times. Voting off an inactive would not only benefit the humans by getting rid of someone who wouldn't contribute, but would hurt the wolves, because the wolves want to silence people and keep these unknown variables as possible suspect wolves alive.

Hmm... That doesn't seem like such a bad idea

[ddrruler]

rsr2...post and ill change my vote you need too start posting...I hate inactives.

[Rebirth0]

Ok guys, this is the first I've seen that the game started. If there's a chat up right now please invite me.

You guys have always voted on the inactive people, I have doubts that rsr2 is a wolf. You guys are almost never correct when lynching inactive people, and that would be -1 humans for the wolves to kill.

I have no vote to cast as of this moment but I'll be watching some people.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

You guys have always voted on the inactive people, I have doubts that rsr2 is a wolf. You guys are almost never correct when lynching inactive people, and that would be -1 humans for the wolves to kill.

You're right, there's a very good chance rsr2 is human, but the only wolf lynching on day one that I've seen (TPS) was a slip up on his part. A wolf is not very likely to be in the spotlight at all right now . I'm just saying that as a back-up plan, if we cannot find any incriminating evidence, we get rid of someone who's just going to hurt the humans. Inactives are more detrimental than you think.

[dAnceguy117]

That plan sounds good, but there are some things that could go wrong. The things that worry me would be 1 - if they're a special role, or 2 - if they're actually someone who would be active but didn't know the game started. Still, if there's nothing better to go on, then I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

Oh, by the way ruler, I'm pretty sure you're allowed to edit your posts, just not change your vote when you edit it. Then again I'm not sure, but whatever, heheh.

[Rye_Bread]

I only edited in some extra sexual humour. Snapps did the same thing before me. Chillax

[ddrruler]

AHEM:"Specific Rules:

1. Players are not allowed to edit/delete their posts for ANY reason. Moderators are not allowed to edit/delete anyone's posts for ANY reason. FFR members not playing in the TWG are not allowed to post in it for any reason and may be subject to penalty for repeated violations. Moderators are allowed to delete posts by users not in the current TWG who post in the thread. "Please read the rules before signing up.:P

[eVILPeeR]

I don't think we should go after the inactives. Leave them there, they're like spare lives for us all. We should really focus on who IS a wolf and IS playing.
I still don't have much of a lead however, I'm going to decide after my nap (headache and stomach cramp ><).

[dAnceguy117]

They're not like spare lives, they're like spare **** we have to waste valuable time cleaning up >_< And if we carry this plan out, go for the one with no AIM :O

K I guess I remember'd wrong. Not like that doesn't happen often.

Get on AIM y'all. Need to get some evidence from something, it's not gonna find itself :O

[Freak83]

I vote lupin for pointing fingers at inactives who many - including himself says are likly to be human.

[psychic25]

Guys, to get in the chat, go to the AIM window, hit Chat, and invite yourself to the room jTWG IV. I assume somebody will be in there most of the time. This is probably the best way to communicate over AIM- go in the chat.

[ddrruler]

Freak thats worse than my plan...and WTF trying to of the strongest player this early in the game thats very stupid if you have read any twgs...my vote will probley be changed very soon so it is useful

[ddrruler]

No wait nevermind my vote is fine! :/

[Lupin_the_3rd]

slacky on the other hand, I do recall talking to him after the game got restarted and I told him that snapps was a wolf from last game. He did say something like "We would have got owned, Snapps is good." or something like that.

I'm not casting a vote yet though without hearing anything first.

(I'm also in a cross between pleased and surprised the wolves didn't try to kill me night one for once)

I'm probably paranoid

Xenofixus88: ... your logic is sad
Xenofixus88: Everyone knows snapps
Real Freak83: am i supposed to know this?
Xenofixus88: spheroiddice: if you think about it, psychic and snapps are the jtwc council
Xenofixus88: ilseruus: yeah basically
ilseruus: it seems that say
ilseruus: *way

Not gonna vote for him.

I vote lupin for pointing fingers at inactives who many - including himself says are likly to be human.

Looks like we both have a knack for pointing fingers.



I realize that I am being very blunt with my theory of voting off likely humans. However, realize that 95% of the time, night one lynchings are humans. On the other hand, voting at random for people who will only hurt us could possibly result in killing a wolf.

Killing an active player
Pros: ? Small chance of being a wolf
Cons: Likely human, Less information is spread. Less talk occurs on aim. Could have been in a human alliance.

Killing an inactive player
Pros: One less "unknown" player (quiet person who you can't get a read on), wolves can't use them as bait later on in the game, information is still being spread and aim is still strong
Cons: Possibility of being a special role, or most likely, human

I strongly recommend waiting to hear Snapps' input on whether he has received word from the special roles yet.

Unfortunately, I must be brief with my vote, as my wireless internet has been faulty lately (as some of you have probably noticed on aim). This is a preliminary vote in the event that I lose internet later tomorrow (I've lost it at days at a time during TWGs : \ )

I temporarily vote rsr2

(ps: rsr2. this means get in the game immediately)

[Freak83]

I got the information I needed for voting Lupin. I change my vote to Gamepro. (No reason for him, I'll probably change it later, it's just a "must have a vote to avoid phantom")

[daniel_lewis20]

This is a convo I just had with Freak83, note that is first response was 10 minutes after mine:

DANLEWIS2005: hello Jon, or should I say "wolf"
DANLEWIS2005: if you don't respond, I take it you're a wolf
Real Freak83: i don't respond because i don't appriciate you im'ing me and calling me a wolf for no reason
DANLEWIS2005: dude, you've been acting very hostile lately, that leaves suspicion
DANLEWIS2005: look man, just talk to me, we can talk right?
Real Freak83: what do you want to know
DANLEWIS2005: I wanna know why you keep changing your vote and accusing people
Real Freak83: umm let's see
Real Freak83: slacky said something earlier that i related to snapps getting wolfed and guarded
Real Freak83: i voted lupin for my own reasons
Real Freak83: i changed it to someone who doesn't have anything against them now
Real Freak83: because i got what i needed to know
DANLEWIS2005: which makes you look suspicious
DANLEWIS2005: it seems you're voting for random people just to get info from them, Slacky pulled the same tactic last game
Real Freak83: i'm not slacky
DANLEWIS2005: no, but you're acting like it
Real Freak83: whatever though, if i get lynched it's not like you'd lose a role at least
DANLEWIS2005: dude, I'm not accusing you of actually being a wolf, I just think you're acting suspicious enough to be called one
DANLEWIS2005: well dude, since you're not responding, I think people have the right to know of your behaviour. Sorry man
Real Freak83: ok if you say so

Now Freak, I don't know why you're acting like this, but it's very suspicious and is making me eye you even more for my vote. I'll hold off on my vote for now until you explain yourself or until I see more information that shows your humanity.

[bullettime90]

I temporarily vote rsr2

this will most likely be changed if he eventually posts. He is probably not a wolf, because we may have at least seen some activity if he had a special role like that. Moreover, PMing Spheroid (if he indeed is a wolf) would have made him more active by now.

[Snapps]

So far the evidence is blan to me. I won't accuse of anyone so far.

Also guys you can't automatically state that inactivity will mean wolf. A wolf can be anyone. Just a hint.

[bullettime90]

snapps, I hope you realize that that last post does make you look wolfish, but I don't believe you are.

[Snapps]

bullettime90, I hope you realize that I am 100% human. Read the beginning and if you don't understand why think about it.

[slackygorgeking]

Lupins knowledge is sound on the inactives. I agree with it totally. I have been saying (thinking) along the lines the whole time of my jtwg career.
rsr2

[Lupin_the_3rd]

snapps, I hope you realize that that last post does make you look wolfish, but I don't believe you are.

what the hell...

Due to your inactivity, I can't tell whether you're even joking or not.

[daniel_lewis20]

Ok, as of right now because of his weird (possibly wolfish) behaviour, I'm going to vote for Freak83. But I'm only voting for him because he won't respond to anyone civilly. Please give him the opportunity to respond to the allegations and know that my vote can change.

[Snapps]

Freak83

I feel he is being a bit jumpy, not a ton of evidence, but a vote to see where this goes.

[daniel_lewis20]

Freak, please defend yourself, I have a bad feeling about this

[Rye_Bread]

Daniel I'm not even going to bother saying it again. That's a whole lot of crap that could easily be based on the fact that he is pissed off at you - which seems to be a common occurence in this game. Once again, let me say this. POINTING FINGERS AT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE POINTING FINGERS IS POINTLESS. How about you wait till someone dies, then go back and check their motivations. Or find some proof, or any evidence. not this bull****.

Cheers,
Ryan

[Freak83]

sigh, the wolves probably love me right now taking all this attention to myself. Well vote me off if you feel you must. The good thing is that I don't have a role, so when the Psychic hears that I was a human then my name will be cleared. If you're going to lynch a human round one then at least it won't be one with a role if it's me.

Anyway, I'm not a wolf. I try to find anything suspicious about anyone and point it out. Since there's no point in hiding this part, I decided I would temporarly vote lupin to see who would side with him. ddrruler did. I don't know if he's a wolf but I just wanted to see who would defend him. Like I said, right now I was voting Gamepro just because I had to vote for someone and I just chose him at random.

Yay for pointing fingers, I guess I'll change to rsr2 for the whole being inactive thing. That seems to be a popular majority right now. (Gasp I changed my vote again, better lynch me)

[ddrruler]

Freak sarcasm doesn't help you out and I would side with lupin so?....he is the best player in jtwg right now...I wouldn't let him get lynch'd

[Freak83]

Could be a great human or a great wolf. Who knows? Not me. (could be a great choice to Seer if you haven't done so already whover you are)

[Rye_Bread]

Wow Snapps that was INCREDIBLY suspicious. It's a bull**** bandwagon started by one man, and you jump on it? See where it goes??? Are you people illogical morons? BY VOTING, it is the same thing as condemning someone to death (you must assume that you are the judge). IT MEANS that if it were your choice that person would be LYNCHED. Don't just "see where it goes"!! That's practically saying you want to see how voting for someone will influence others to pull out crap on the accused.

Daniel you are just doing what you did last game (moronic crap based on the fact that people don't like you), so i don't suspect you as a wolf. BUT SNAPPS. What the hell are you doing? And after you know all the special roles on top of it? The fact that you haven't taken any steps to using the information you acquired is suspicious. Why don't you at least tell us if you've received it.

Snapps, because of your silence after such a pivotal moment, and then hopping on a ridiculous band wagon, I strongly begin to believe that there was a pre night1 alliance with a wolf and guardian in it, who convinced someone to protect Snapps, while his wolf friends killed him knowing he would be protected, as probably the best feint move of all time - letting snapps (one of the wolves) know all the special roles. That would be an excellent ploy. I think it's a possibility, but i'm not sure. SO

I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE (I don't want to "see where it goes")

Cheers,
Ryan

[daniel_lewis20]

You know what, I reaffirm my vote to Freak83. You just have to continue with your rotten attitude and start accusing random people. And Rye, you are also looking very suspicious and I wouldn't be surprised if you were lynched in the future. And further more to Rye, I'm not the one who's going to have a problem staying alive this game, just remember that wolf

[Freak83]

You're annoying me... Accusing me for no reason. I change my vote to daniel_lewis20. (lol I changed it again, let's see how long I can keep this up)

[Freak83]

Maybe it's actually a good thing if I get lynched. Heaven forbid I make it longer than Night Two.

[daniel_lewis20]

wow freak, what a WOLFish thing to do, come right out and change your vote to the one person who was trying to help you out. Smart...yet stupid at the same time.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

Well, as you can see what just occurred, Daniel Lewis' beautifully executed tactic of drawing out one, if not two wolves just worked.

He was trying to draw a response from freak by voting for him, and damn did it work.

I'd also like to present to you this aim conversation, with the seemingly irrate tone apparent in Daniellewis's conversation as well

Legat0bluesummrs: hey, how's it going
Real Freak83: fine
Legat0bluesummrs: Do you have any speculation on why snapps was guarded/attempted to be wolfed?
Legat0bluesummrs: I'm at a loss as to why snapps would be a prime wolfing
Real Freak83: according to slacky snapps is a good player
Real Freak83: that's about it
Legat0bluesummrs: according to slacky?
Legat0bluesummrs: but I find it odd that both the protection and the wolfing coincided with snapps
Real Freak83: it doesn't seem that odd to me
Real Freak83: from what i heard, snapps is a good player. the more people that know this, the more likly he is to be wolfed/guarded
Legat0bluesummrs: hmm, I suppose. But what foundation do they have? The only TWG game he's been in, I'm sure nobody here has witnessed
Real Freak83: then the guardian and at least one wolf knows what they're doing
Legat0bluesummrs: not to mention getting booted for cheating last game
Real Freak83: OH
Real Freak83: i just realized you were lupin
Real Freak83: i thought i was talking to ddrruler, i read the list wrong
Real Freak83: ok ok, so in that case i'm guessing you're either the guardian or a wolf. i'm definatly not voting for you now though, i think it's more likly you're the guardian
Legat0bluesummrs: and what makes you assume so
Legat0bluesummrs: I honestly don't view snapps as a good night one kill/guard
Real Freak83: nothing really, i'm just guessing that for now
Real Freak83: there's not exactly a lot of info to go on for day 1
Real Freak83: so you have to make some basic assumptions
Legat0bluesummrs: I suppose
Legat0bluesummrs: quite frankly, voting off one of the inactives is more beneficial than trying to guess a wolf
Legat0bluesummrs: two of the players dont even have aim
Real Freak83: well if you're trying to dismiss that he was a good kill or guard that kind of throws my assumption out the window alltogether
Legat0bluesummrs: then again, I could be a wolf trying to lead you away from that idea
Real Freak83: i know
Real Freak83: i don't like day one, never enough info
Legat0bluesummrs: I'm just glad that we have two definite humans right now for the seer to go to
Real Freak83: 2?
Legat0bluesummrs: whoever he seered, and snapps
Real Freak83: what the poo are you talking about
Real Freak83: oh
Real Freak83: well that's only 2 definate for the seer
Real Freak83: and only 1 definate if he seered a wolf
Legat0bluesummrs: true
Legat0bluesummrs: but I have a feeling an alliance could spring up very quickly

The things that he says serve no relevence.



Funny how my theory of voting off inactives suddenly appealed to Freak as he started to gain votes. It seems rather odd that two humans would work with such zeal together, to the point of personal insult, in Ryebread's case. The fact that Rye bread not only defended Freak, but offered some crackpot theory of Snapps being a wolf crosses the line. Good game, Freak83.

[Freak83]

You're not helping me, you're accusing me and trying to get my lyched. :D

[Rye_Bread]

I have seen you play for two games, and everything you do seems to be on the relationship that you have with that person. "I don't like you, i'll ban you. I don't like you, I'll bandwagon you." Just because i don't like you and now freak83 thinks your being a turd in this game also, does not mean you can take the liberty of attacking us. If you were any good at bandwagoning or making up evidence, u might actually have some real power in this game. You don't. You suck at logic, period.

Due to the way you acted last game. Literally admitting that you were voting people off because you didn't like them! You SAID THAT exactly! Due to this behaviour, and your constant threats (as if you were a big shot instead of a pretentious little ****), I think this game would be better without you for two reasons: IT WOULD BE MORE FUN, IT WOULD BE SMARTER.

Your logic sucks. Also, this game is not about you taking your little veangence on people, its for logic and purely for the game. I vote daniel_lewis20, for making this game less enjoyable and logical then it should be. whether you're a wolf or not, you make me lose the motivation to play this game. Get out of here. Hopefully you fellow players will see the patterns of dan's behaviour. Plz vote with me, simply based on your own opinion of his posts.

Cheers,
Ryan

[ddrruler]

Ryan why are you defending freak even before the pressure is on? Trying too save your wolf partner and its not bs its more than you have come up with...why ridicule something when it is the best we can go of off at this time?Also your other post he seems to be hostile to everyone or doesn't respond...

[Freak83]

I can't wait till the Psychic tells you guys I was human. I think I should vote Freak83 because I'm so suspicious.

[ddrruler]

I have seen you play for two games, and everything you do seems to be on the relationship that you have with that person. "I don't like you, i'll ban you. I don't like you, I'll bandwagon you." Just because i don't like you and now freak83 thinks your being a turd in this game also, does not mean you can take the liberty of attacking us. If you were any good at bandwagoning or making up evidence, u might actually have some real power in this game. You don't. You suck at logic, period.

Due to the way you acted last game. Literally admitting that you were voting people off because you didn't like them! You SAID THAT exactly! Due to this behaviour, and your constant threats (as if you were a big shot instead of a pretentious little (#$%), I think this game would be better without you for two reasons: IT WOULD BE MORE FUN, IT WOULD BE SMARTER.

Your logic sucks. Also, this game is not about you taking your little veangence on people, its for logic and purely for the game. I vote daniel_lewis20, for making this game less enjoyable and logical then it should be. whether you're a wolf or not, you make me lose the motivation to play this game. Get out of here. Hopefully you fellow players will see the patterns of dan's behaviour. Plz vote with me, simply based on your own opinion of his posts.

Cheers,
RyanI highlight'd something which screws you both over nice cracking under the pressure guys :P Oh yea freak83

[Freak83]

Ryan why are you defending freak even before the pressure is on? Trying too save your wolf partner and its not bs its more than you have come up with...why ridicule something when it is the best we can go of off at this time?Also your other post he seems to be hostile to everyone or doesn't respond...

I don't know if Rye's a wolf but I'm not. (You're just mad cause you made yourself look like a noob on NS forums and I backed everyone else up).

Anyway, we're definatly not wolf partners :D

[ddrruler]

freak83 :P bold didnt work in my other post for some reason...

[Freak83]

Wait I'm changing my vote to ddrruler, such a wolf.

[Freak83]

(btw it seems no-one likes me so I'm just having fun while the day lasts)

[ddrruler]

Haha not mad about ns they are just retarded and they all suck at twg!

[Freak83]

They're better than you :P What does that make you?

[ddrruler]

Im better than you and they are all worse than you so its actually what does that make you?

[Rye_Bread]

[/quote]I highlight'd something which screws you both over nice cracking under the pressure guys :P Oh yea freak83[/quote]

Wow maybe you didn't realize the CONTEXT in which I am speaking. GO BACK ONE PAGE, and you will see that Daniel accuses freak for not giving "civil responses." Go back one game and see daniel accuse dotc (and others) for being "jerks to him." When I say us, the us includes people who think daniel is an ass, people who he therefore trys to lynch.

Read it again, dumbass. And I got the link to you being a total ****head on the ns forums. In your first post you suggested that you be the head member of twc (which you claimed is your invention), and named yourself "TWG GOD." I think we have a contender pretentious enough for Dan.

[Freak83]

Much better than you :D

[ddrruler]

http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89954 that link :P and no freak if you were able too make it past day 5 maybe you might be better than me...

[ddrruler]

AND I DIDNT CLAIM TOO MAKE IT ****ING RETARD

[ddrruler]

And one last post my sn on that place is a joke but since your to slow i had to explain it to you...

[daniel_lewis20]

Rye, you just can't seem to get over the fact that people trust me more than they do you in this game. And to back up a page to where you said for me to "Get out of here", I'm not going anywhere regardless of what you say. You don't like it, you leave. Either way, you lost this game.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

Alright enough of this bull****. Let's just play the damn game.

[Spheroid]

Spheroid's Voting Guide (9 votes to installynch):

1. Freak (4) -- dan_lewis, Snapps, Lupin, ddrruler
2. rsr2 (3) -- ddrruler, bullettime, slacky
3. dan_lewis (1) -- Rye_Bread
4. ddrruler (1) -- Freak

[dAnceguy117]

Wow Snapps that was INCREDIBLY suspicious. It's a bull**** bandwagon started by one man, and you jump on it? See where it goes??? Are you people illogical morons? BY VOTING, it is the same thing as condemning someone to death (you must assume that you are the judge). IT MEANS that if it were your choice that person would be LYNCHED. Don't just "see where it goes"!! That's practically saying you want to see how voting for someone will influence others to pull out crap on the accused.

Daniel you are just doing what you did last game (moronic crap based on the fact that people don't like you), so i don't suspect you as a wolf. BUT SNAPPS. What the hell are you doing? And after you know all the special roles on top of it? The fact that you haven't taken any steps to using the information you acquired is suspicious. Why don't you at least tell us if you've received it.

Snapps, because of your silence after such a pivotal moment, and then hopping on a ridiculous band wagon, I strongly begin to believe that there was a pre night1 alliance with a wolf and guardian in it, who convinced someone to protect Snapps, while his wolf friends killed him knowing he would be protected, as probably the best feint move of all time - letting snapps (one of the wolves) know all the special roles. That would be an excellent ploy. I think it's a possibility, but i'm not sure. SO

I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE (I don't want to "see where it goes")

Cheers,
Ryan

Alright. There's really a lot screaming at me in this post.

First off, you're forced to vote. Therefore, logically, you vote for whoever you think has been acting most like a wolf. I agree with some of the points made against Freak and disagree with others, but you have to vote. You can't accuse someone because they voted.

Second, that thing about not voting just to see where it goes was total crap. It's easy enough to make a vote on one person and switch it later, just to see a reaction. Obviously, Dan thought Freak was acting differently than usual. It looks like he made a vote to see what kind of reaction he would get from Freak, especially becuase he told Freak to back himself.

Now. It really looks to me as if you're overreacting to Dan's vote. He posted his vote and also put why he was suspicious of him in his post before it. He's really not pulling anything out of his ass. I can understand you disagreeing with him about whether or not certain evidence is strong enough to make a vote, but calling his reasoning bull**** isn't really justified.

Your accusations at Snapps almost made me lol. Really. I honestly don't see why someone would be persuaded to change their guardian pick just by being told to. That theory is so farfetched.. it's just not an option. If somehow the wolves pulled that off that would be fricking amazing. But WHY WOULD THEY RISK IT? There's the chance that the person they're talking to is lying (would you come out as the guardian to someone random during night 1?), there's the chance that they don't guardian you, etc. And I just don't see why wolves would take that chance. Or how they would get in contact with the guardian.

Now, one last thing. Freak, revenge votes aren't going to help you. Like I said, Dan posted reasoning. You voted for him just because 1 - he voted for you and 2 - you said he had no reasoning. Look back though, you'll find it. He said you were acting differently than usual and showed what he meant by posting the AIM convo.

Arright, after this huge ass post, I'm not going to vote for anyone yet. I'll vote for someone tomorrow, after I've seen all that happened on the forums.

[dAnceguy117]

Sorry for the double post, but WHOA THAT WAS A FAST TWO PAGES O_O

[Freak83]

Meh, changing to rsr2 to even it up.

[akorn]

Ok, after reading all this thread and spending some time on aim I'm gonna vote on Rye_Bread... I have my reasons, so feel free to question them, etc, but I wont be able to answer until tomorrow morning.

Mainly I think it's kind of strange the way he got that theory on Snapps, seeing as in every situation except for that farfetched wolf/guardian alliance, keeping snapps alive would be beneficial to every human player.. And since Snapps will most likely be guarded during the night, the wolves either try to get him lynched during the day (what rye_bread did) or wont be able to get him at all. But hey, maybe I'm totally wrong xD

[psychic25]

The wolves have basically no chance of getting Snapps lynched today.

Nobody is going to think that Snapps is a potential wolf. Why? Because almost positively, Snapps is NOT a wolf.

If Snapps is a wolf, this means that the wolves were willing to risk Snapps. I do believe that risking Snapps's death is a HUGE mistake. He is one of the most experienced people here. If the wolves wanted to kill one of their own to throw people off, don't you think they would choose someone less valuable? And also, WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO MISLEAD ANYBODY ON NIGHT 1?

And also, guys, we should wait until everybody can talk before we accidentally instalynch. We have until four o'clock tomorrow. I don't know if Snapps has gotten into touch with all the special roles, but we'd BETTER NOT cut him off before it can happen. We still need communication from several of the players (rsr2 is the only one that comes to mind right now), and what would happen if he couldn't get on until... say... tomorrow? We run the risk of losing a role before they can make themselves known to Snapps.

So basically, roles, if you haven't revealed yourselves to Snapps yet, DO IT NOW. If he's not on, PM him.

psychic25 because I'd like to read again before forming an opinion, and I won't have much (if any) time tomorrow during Day 1.

And by the way, everybody should vote. At least do a self vote if you're undecided. Not voting results in a phantom, which screws the human team over in EVERY SINGLE GAME.

[Freak83]

Ok, let's go over everything I've done here. Basically I started by wanting to be useful, so I offered the only bit of information and insight that I could in fact offer. The little thing about slacky, apparently people didn't like that and started pointing fingers at me. Namely Dan.

DANLEWIS2005: hello Jon, or should I say "wolf"
DANLEWIS2005: if you don't respond, I take it you're a wolf
Real Freak83: i don't respond because i don't appriciate you im'ing me and calling me a wolf for no reason

Dan has this habit of IM'ing me at the start of TWG's, or even partway through and just calling me a wolf at random. Needless to say it get's rather annoying. The rest of his convo, I wasn't keen on continuing it since he basically was choosing to believe I was a wolf and not changing his mind otherwise.

Prior to this I also decided to cast a vote for lupin, I was hesitent to post this as I knew people would think I was an idiot for voting off one of the best players so early. My intention was to find out who would defend him on this exact basis, therefore making themselves seem normal and human. The perfect defense to back up a wolf companion in the case that lupin is indeed a wolf. Let's get something straight though, I wasn't accusing lupin of being a wolf. I was taking percautions and seeing who would ally him in any way at all if I did vote for him.

Soon I have two votes on me. Starting to get a bit pissed off here as I just last night had to go through hell in another TWG to save my ass, I didn't quite feel like doing it again. So if people want to point fingers at me because Dan has decided I'm suspicious (dan the person who allied a wolf to the end last time around lets not forget). If people want to lynch for me for redicious claims and no real evidence then let them lynch me for rediculous claims and no real evidence.

It's a joke really at this point.

Maybe it's actually a good thing if I get lynched. Heaven forbid I make it longer than Night Two.




Just before I made this post dan said:

You know what, I reaffirm my vote to Freak83. You just have to continue with your rotten attitude and start accusing random people. And Rye, you are also looking very suspicious and I wouldn't be surprised if you were lynched in the future. And further more to Rye, I'm not the one who's going to have a problem staying alive this game, just remember that wolf

Then me:

You're annoying me... Accusing me for no reason. I change my vote to daniel_lewis20. (lol I changed it again, let's see how long I can keep this up)

The next thing dan says:

wow freak, what a WOLFish thing to do, come right out and change your vote to the one person who was trying to help you out. Smart...yet stupid at the same time.

Saying I am now voting for Dan, the one person who was protecting me? I don't know how he figured that since he just reassured his vote on me.

Lupin the third then chose to accuse me based on a convo me and him had earlier.

Real Freak83: ok ok, so in that case i'm guessing you're either the guardian or a wolf. i'm definatly not voting for you now though, i think it's more likly you're the guardian
Legat0bluesummrs: and what makes you assume so
Legat0bluesummrs: I honestly don't view snapps as a good night one kill/guard
Real Freak83: nothing really, i'm just guessing that for now
Real Freak83: there's not exactly a lot of info to go on for day 1
Real Freak83: so you have to make some basic assumptions

Legat0bluesummrs: but I find it odd that both the protection and the wolfing coincided with snapps
Real Freak83: it doesn't seem that odd to me
Real Freak83: from what i heard, snapps is a good player. the more people that know this, the more likly he is to be wolfed/guarded

It seems more likly to me people are trying to corner me and make me say something suspicious rather than even attempting to believe I'm a human.


This whole escipade with ddrruler. He basically went onto the NS forums where I'm running TWG, made an account called "TWG GOD" and started telling everyone what they need to do to run it. Again this sort of pissed me off because I know what I'm doing there and I don't need people telling me what I already know.

Lastly, dan chose to IM me again while I was playing NS and on the phone.

DANLEWIS2005: we need to talk
Real Freak83: ok
DANLEWIS2005: why are you accusing me unjustly
Real Freak83: i'm not
Real Freak83: you accused me unjustly
DANLEWIS2005: I gave you the opportunity to explain your behaviour towards everyone. Then your boy spoke up, then you spoke without even giving one word of evidence to support your humanity which screwed both you and Rye over
Real Freak83: ok
DANLEWIS2005: and I said that my vote could change
Real Freak83: quote rye (i'm on the phone with him) - "The only reason I posted what I said was because you are accusing people of no reason. And it pisses me off."
DANLEWIS2005: not accusing people of no reason, check pg. 4, everyone who followed my vote went with that and your suspicious posts
DANLEWIS2005: which will screw Rye over next round
Real Freak83: not when the psychic reveals that i was human
Real Freak83: quote rye again - "Don't spout all this evidence bull**** when it's day one. The seer will prove us right"
DANLEWIS2005: you don't even know who the seer is, he has no proof period that you and he are humans. Regardless, you are either stupid wolves or stupid humans
DANLEWIS2005: if Freak and Rye are wolves, you'll see them both vote for rsr2 just to save freak
Real Freak83: or he could just be supporting me in a human alliance (*GASP ABSOLUTLY UNTHINKABLE*)
DANLEWIS2005: or you're both wolves
Real Freak83: or neither of us are
Real Freak83: of course i don't know if he is
Real Freak83: but i'm not
DANLEWIS2005: well, we'll only know for sure if or when you get lynched. And the same goes for Rye
DANLEWIS2005: well, I know exactly what's going to happen. Your pal Rye will vote for rsr2 just to save you, exposing you both for wolves
DANLEWIS2005: and if he doesn't, only he will be exposed as a wolf, it's a no-win situation for you, if only you would've told the truth instead of flaming people
DANLEWIS2005: wow, one vote for Rye_Bread, not good to accuse... the human with a plan
DANLEWIS2005: and that human is...me
DANLEWIS2005: g2g, hopefully you'll try to save yourself
DANLEWIS2005: if not, then you're a wolf
DANLEWIS2005: bye

Bolded line: WTH, where did that come from?

Anyway read the last three lines,

DANLEWIS2005: g2g, hopefully you'll try to save yourself
DANLEWIS2005: if not, then you're a wolf
DANLEWIS2005: bye

Guess that's what I'm doing. Though chances are it won't make a difference.

The thing with Rye_Bread and me by the way. We've been talking on the phone for a couple of hours now, making fun of certain posts and laughing at a bunch of the retardedness going around. There is no alliance between us, rather we're just thinking along the same lines.

[ddrruler]

Gj making a post that wasted my time and Idont care about the ns crap and i didnt't tell you what to do i susgested it but you guys are slow and flamed me for trying too help you guys out ;p so your twg probley wont last long ;p

[Rye_Bread]

I am telling you guys right now, that the last few hours have been spent (by dan and ddrruler) convincing everyone to either vote for myself or freak. If you look at all the posts over (which are the ONLY source of any information), you will see that all this crap is based on really nothing at all. It starts with dan pointing a finger at freak83 because he didn't get a "civil response." I strongly disagreed with that. And now I'm just telling you guys to keep an open mind and don't let somebody convince you into bandwagoning, because you'll regret it. Remember it's night 1 and nothing is really out. Making these rash and stupid decisions is definetly detrimental to the Human side, and is definetly good for the wolves. If for nothing else, don't instalynch someone just for that.

I'm just trying to win for the humans.

Cheers,
Ryan

[ddrruler]

Yea but your not human so your lying...so how is that making the humans win?...no wai....you never said you were human!

[eVILPeeR]

Listen guys, the chances of the people arguing here NOT being a wolf is probably pretty good. I don't see many wolfish attempts here, and if there are any super-obvious ones, it wasn't done because they're a wolf. NOBODY is stupid enough to reveal something like that so easily, and I think everyone is jumping the gun here.

Snapps is definitely a human.. how could he not be? The wolves aren't about to risk one of themselves to throw us off, especially first night. I'm going off on a limb here, and I don't have much to back up on for this. I'm going to vote for ddrruler. What are my reasons? I honestly have not much to back up on here, like I said.. but I'm not sure, something says he isn't who he is.

The main role of a wolf is to act like a human and stay hidden. Most people will probably go under the philosophy that if you stay hidden, nobody will notice. ddrruler feels to me that he's trying this.. although, it's just more of a feeling and nothing else. Plus, I don't think we want an instalynch.

[ddrruler]

HAHAHA read last game thats how i act when im a wolf dumbass...

[eVILPeeR]

I don't think it's such a good idea to come out like that - I'm keeping my vote on you.
You just pretty much said "I'm a wolf."
Good job..

[Snapps]

No. ddruler doesn't re-read what he writes. I don't think he understands what he just said sounded extremely stupid.

ATTENTION I WILL NOT BE ON ALL DAY TOMORROW LIKE I WAS TODAY I WILL BE OUT AT A BAR MITZVAH.

I am so sorry. So many pages within a few hours. I will really need to catch up tomorrow and come out with some evidence. As for now I will say what I have said again to a few people: My voting for the first day in the JTWGs ive been in are all random, yet educated guess. I do not want to start out with a bad swing in the game.

Most people who have played a game of J/TWG and win try different techniques in different games. They do this so no reoccurence will happend and it could be a safer way to live. Try to connect that with a person who was in JTWGs. It might help, i'm not sure.

[Rebirth0]

Gamepro17616

I'm doing like psychic25 does, I came in too late in the game to know anything. So I'm voting myself so I don't take sides with anyone, or get a phantom vote. I'll be MUCH more active on Day 2 if I survive.

[ddrruler]

Everyone I realize I may be being very stupid today.....Once the stress is of and im not sick anymore I should be back to normal. :(

[Lupin_the_3rd]

Freak, that post of mine in no way completely justified my vote. I voted for you because of the way you've been acting. I've never seen you act like this as human. Reaching for ridiculous logic in the beginning of the story is not like you, and I have the feeling that you've been trying to pin evidence onto people. The reason why there appears to be an 'alliance' against you is because I contacted everybody online at that point, and everybody shared the same viewpoints as me. danlewis and I were not 100% on this, and decided to test the waters by voting on you. After changing your vote no less than 4 times in a minutes, I had decided that you had crossed the line. Not only did you react wildly, but gained the whole-hearted support of somebody who claimed snapps was acting wolfish. Now I'm all for alliances, but rye_bread took the votes upon you as personal, and started yelling at us violently (being sure to include the fact that snapps was probably a wolf).

The reason you're getting voted instead of ryebread is simply because ryebread did us a favor by screaming wolf. You weren't as easy to determine, but now that we're 90% sure you're a wolf, we're not letting those suspicions go.

[dAnceguy117]

Well crap. That hurts the alliance when the guardianed person is away for the last 12 hours of day 1 >_< But enjoy the Bar Mitzvah. *coughIbetit'sJake'scough*

Anyway. It looks like things slowed down after I left. We've still got some time to work with, and I don't want an insta. danceguy for now, but will most likely change before day 1 ends.

Anyway, my thoughts on the matter. Of course, I can't speak for Dan, but this is what it looks like to me. Dan looked at Freak's first few posts, and he thinks he's acting a bit unusual. So he uses the accuse them just to see a reaction technique, and Freak acts in a way Dan thinks wolfish. I'm pretty sure it didn't start with your vote for Lupin, Freak.

There's something wrong here. I'm assuming you just typo'd, but I'm not quite sure.
"Don't spout all this evidence bull**** when it's day one. The seer will prove us right"
Since when? I thought it was the psychic you wanted to prove you human after you got lynched. On that topic, here's something I've been wanting to say for a while. You really can't say US. HAs with no foundation are just too risky, as proven last game. On top of that, say we end up lynching Freak and the psychic says he came up human, that doesn't prove Rye Bread human, that just helps his case.

Well, due to Snapps being gone today, we're in a bit of a sticky position. We'll have to hold out on the alliance for now.

[Freak83]

Freak, that post of mine in no way completely justified my vote. I voted for you because of the way you've been acting. I've never seen you act like this as human. Reaching for ridiculous logic in the beginning of the story is not like you, and I have the feeling that you've been trying to pin evidence onto people. The reason why there appears to be an 'alliance' against you is because I contacted everybody online at that point, and everybody shared the same viewpoints as me. danlewis and I were not 100% on this, and decided to test the waters by voting on you. After changing your vote no less than 4 times in a minutes, I had decided that you had crossed the line. Not only did you react wildly, but gained the whole-hearted support of somebody who claimed snapps was acting wolfish. Now I'm all for alliances, but rye_bread took the votes upon you as personal, and started yelling at us violently (being sure to include the fact that snapps was probably a wolf).

The reason you're getting voted instead of ryebread is simply because ryebread did us a favor by screaming wolf. You weren't as easy to determine, but now that we're 90% sure you're a wolf, we're not letting those suspicions go.

90% sure? lol you're going to be surprised when you hear from the psychic. Since it's jTWG I figured I would just try something different. Obviously you guys don't it when people try something different. If I were a wolf I wouldn't have done anything differently because then I would have wanted to blend in.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

I am telling you guys right now, that the last few hours have been spent (by dan and ddrruler) convincing everyone to either vote for myself or freak.

I think its time you've stopped spewing bull****, ryebread. Both you and freak have incriminated yourselves. I thought freak was acting weird to begin with. Then Danlewis makes a post about this weirdness and I'm like, "oh, maybe it's not just my imagination." I ask for ddrruler's opinion on freak, and he thinks Freak is acting weird, but not enough to prove he was a wolf. Snapps had the same opinion as I did as Freak (basically, I was talking to everyone online about it except ryebread and freak).

Danlewis then decides that he's going to test out the waters by putting a vote on Freak, knowing very well he could be human. Snapps does the same on his own volition, and not even realizing danlewis was voting for him.

Then everything blew up, and I realized Freak must be a wolf. He went into ultra alert mode and started getting really defensive, then evolving into a state of apathy. He went on a ridiculous posting spree, and now he's back in defensive mode. In the midst of this, my doubts on his wolfishness were cleared up, and the way ryebread defended him with ridiculous theories made it all the more convincing.

To those who haven't read the last 4 pages, do so. You'll realize why everyone voted Freak if you do so. This was not a bandwagon to the extent that Freak basically incriminated himself. I've never seen him act this way at all during a jTWG, and guess what, he's also never been a wolf.

[Freak83]

Actually I'm a wolf in another TWG and I act nothing like this. If I live I highly suggest you seer me for proof. If not, well the Psychic can prove me right.

[Freak83]

By the way. Nice logic lupin, too bad it's wrong.

To the Psychic: The two people most bent on getting me lynched based on a few early posts and AIM convo's are Lupin and daniel_lewis20. Keep an eye on 'em when I'm gone. By that point you'll know I wasn't the one lieing.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

By the way. Nice logic lupin, too bad it's wrong.

yet you fail to point out any flaws.

To the Psychic: The two people most bent on getting me lynched based on a few early posts and AIM convo's are Lupin and daniel_lewis20. Keep an eye on 'em when I'm gone. By that point you'll know I wasn't the one lieing.

At this point in time, I seriously doubt you're human, but if you are, you sure as hell aren't doing a good job of proving your innocence.

[Freak83]

"yet you fail to point out any flaws. "

There are none. Everything is true except the part about me being a wolf.

"At this point in time, I seriously doubt you're human, but if you are, you sure as hell aren't doing a good job of proving your innocence."

There's a method to my madness, there always is. I just can't say what it is yet :(
It'll either have to wait until Day Two or Postgame, whichever comes first for me.

[Rye_Bread]

Look wolves don't act! Unless you are a totally moronic player, you are not going to "act" any differently whether your a wolf or not! It's so stupid to read a post and be like "this is how a wolf acts." Look at motivations and logic, not how they "act." Maybe if you were playing mafia in real life and someone asked you if you were a wolf and then you s******ed that would be a form of guilt. But on the computer forums that kind of stuff just doesn't happen. Everyone regulates their posts unless their totally stupid. So stop pretending that you have a plethora of evidence. No one does.

But what i said about the slim chance that Snapps or the gaurdian was convinced to protect snapps. And the same person who did the convincing was also a wolf who got the other wolfs to vote him, therefore creating a wolf or person in an alliance with a wolf who knows all the special roles. That is a great move

[Lupin_the_3rd]

First off, no guardian will come out night one, ever. There is absolutely no need, and doing so makes him extremely vulnerable due to the fact that he can't guard himself. Secondly, it would require a massive amount of coordination, and reason behind snapps being guardianed. Even if the guardian comes out, you have to persuade him to guard you in some way.

According to Snapps, there is only one seer contacting him, so I assume that there is no fake "I'm the seer, protect me" crap. Therefore, this guarding was purely coincidental, and trying to put blame on snapps is ludicrous.

stop pretending that you have a plethora of evidence. No one does.

Care to reread the thread? We posted plenty.

[ddrruler]

But what i said about the slim chance that Snapps or the gaurdian was convinced to protect snapps. And the same person who did the convincing was also a wolf who got the other wolfs to vote him, therefore creating a wolf or person in an alliance with a wolf who knows all the special roles. That is a great moveOnly one problem with that though if that did happen then the wolfs would try to wolf the guardian not snapps so thats the only problem I see with that logic plus the unlikly chance that would happen...

[dAnceguy117]

Rye, there is NO chance that Snapps is a wolf. NONE. The guardian would not reveal themselves to anyone on night 1, period. The wolves would not risk that. And especially would not risk Snapps, of all people.

I know this is kind of an odd vote, but day 1 is winding down and I'd like to make a real vote. Rye_Bread, for trying too hard to protect Freak and trying to do it with ridiculous theories and lots of insults.

[psychic25]

Hey everyone, look at this:

Just before I made this post dan said:

You know what, I reaffirm my vote to Freak83. You just have to continue with your rotten attitude and start accusing random people. And Rye, you are also looking very suspicious and I wouldn't be surprised if you were lynched in the future. And further more to Rye, I'm not the one who's going to have a problem staying alive this game, just remember that wolf

Then me:

You're annoying me... Accusing me for no reason. I change my vote to daniel_lewis20. (lol I changed it again, let's see how long I can keep this up)

The next thing dan says:


wow freak, what a WOLFish thing to do, come right out and change your vote to the one person who was trying to help you out. Smart...yet stupid at the same time.

Saying I am now voting for Dan, the one person who was protecting me? I don't know how he figured that since he just reassured his vote on me.

As far as I can figure, NOBODY else noticed this, because nobody else mentioned it. BTW, if you want to look, it's on the bottom of page 5 and the top of page 6.

I believe that daniel_lewis20 is a wolf. He finds evidence that makes Freak look wolfish, and then jumps all over it.

I would do this, too, but then he also completely ignores Freak's attempts to defend himself. He is trying to launch a massive tirade against Freak by making up evidence (the last quote in the quote above), and he is trying to take as many shots at Freak as he can. Has anybody noticed that most, if not all, of Freak's posts are met by "stfu wolf"? Nobody's even trying to take his side- except for Rye.

When a wolf sees that a bandwagon is going to work, he does everything in his power to make it work. If you'll take a look, at the beginning of the bandwagon, he said:

Freak, please defend yourself, I have a bad feeling about this

Testing to see if the bandwagon will work. He asks for rebuttal, but then ignores it. When he sees that people suspect Freak, he throws himself into this bandwagon.

Daniel, I would like to see your response to this.

EDIT: quote tag issues

[Spheroid]

Spheroid's Voting Guide (9 votes to installynch):

1. Freak (4) -- dan_lewis, Snapps, Lupin, ddrruler
2. rsr2 (3) -- bullettime, slacky, Freak
3. dan_lewis (2) -- Rye_Bread, psychic
4. Rye_Bread (2) -- akorn, danceguy
5. ddrruler (1) -- eVILPeeR
6. Gamepro (1) -- Gamepro

[bullettime90]

one problem with that spheroid- ddrruler is posted twice

[ddrruler]

yea i voted and i have a vote on me...

[bullettime90]

no, no
you were up there for voting for two different people
he edited it already

[Freak83]

Changing my vote to daniel_lewis20. This will probably be my last change for the day unless I have some incredibly good reason to change it again. Now I feel I'm voting someone who's actually a wolf.

[daniel_lewis20]

Ok, to answer you post Psychic. I posted the convo I had with Freak because of my own suspicions that he was acting weird. Then I got advice that I should vote for him to see how he would react, even when I didn't want to. Then when he went on a complete defense and blamed me then voted for me without any evidence, that's what reaffirmed my vote. And the reason why no one is taking his side is because he's spitting in the face of everyone who's trying to help him, including me.

[Freak83]

The Wolf Theory (Not going down without a fight :D )
Night One the wolves manage to get in touch with the Guardian. How is completely unknown. The possibilities are limitless. They convince the Guardian to vote for Snapps, as he is a good player and is likely to be wolfed. Little does the Guardian know he is being convinced to Guard Snapps by other wolves. The wolves vote to kill their own Wolf Snapps, and he is guarded. Snapps finds out the roles of the Guardian, Seer, and Psychic.


Snapps is alive.

ALL SPECIAL ROLES, IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY, CONTACT SNAPPS AND TELL HIM YOUR ROLE. HE IS A GUARANTEED HUMAN.

And as for the possibility that he is a wolf killed by his own team, I HIGHLY doubt it. I doubt that the wolf team would risk killing Snapps in order to throw people off (especially because there's no reason to divert people's attention).

In the morning everyone wakes up and sees that someone has been guarded on night one. A completely unbelievable thing, it is the first successful guard on jTWG and it has happened on the very first night. What are the chances? Not very good, unless it was planned out. And even having it planned out looks so completely unbelievable to everyone. As lupin has stated:


Legat0bluesummrs: but thats a different story
Legat0bluesummrs: a guardian has no protection
P337 teh 1337: But that was to the person you seer'd
Legat0bluesummrs: a seer can come out and say "guard me"
Legat0bluesummrs: the thought of snapps being a wolf is just ridiculous
Legat0bluesummrs: the coordination would not have been possible

It’s the absolute perfect strategy. It’s too good to be true for the wolves if it works, and it’s too unbelievable to be planned out for everyone who is watching.

Wolf #1: Lupin_the_3rd
Absolutely genius. He was most likely the person to plot all of this, and he’s also in the perfect position to deny this and dismiss it as a possibility. Being an experienced TWG player there’s no reason for anyone to disagree with him. Hell, people will defend him just because they want an experienced player in. After I voted for him:

Freak thats worse than my plan...and WTF trying to of the strongest player this early in the game thats very stupid if you have read any twgs...my vote will probley be changed very soon so it is useful

To anyone who believes lupin (pretty much everyone) they wouldn’t even begin to see him as a wolf. Everything he says just tends to make too much sense. A bandwagon begins to form on me, a small one. Based on the evidence that dan provided I believe.

Ok, as of right now because of his weird (possibly wolfish) behaviour, I'm going to vote for Freak83. But I'm only voting for him because he won't respond to anyone civilly. Please give him the opportunity to respond to the allegations and know that my vote can change.

I’m such a bad person, not responding civilly.

When I did bring this theory up in the chat…


Real Freak83: unless this is what happened and you're a wolf dismissing this possibility altogether
AkornPT: so
AkornPT: O_o
P337 teh 1337: Freak
Real Freak83: just saying
Legat0bluesummrs: you're making accusations against me?

So defensive isn’t he? Almost trying to put fear into anyone who dares to come anywhere near accusing him.

He also wrote in the chat some stuff here. Now think about it from the viewpoint of him being a wolf. He’d be reassuring that this theory can no way be true. When in fact, yes, yes it can. And lupin being such a talented player would be the one most likely to think of it and carry it out.


AkornPT: so
AkornPT: snapps is human xD
Gamepro17616: Was anyone asking to guard snapps?
P337 teh 1337: Yeah
Legat0bluesummrs: losing a wolf that early is not worth it
P337 teh 1337: no
Gamepro17616: Who
Real Freak83: not if they knew he would be guarded
P337 teh 1337: I said no :p
Gamepro17616: Oh
P337 teh 1337: How would they know?
Legat0bluesummrs: the guardian doesnt come out, freak
Real Freak83: i don't know
bullettime90 has entered the room.
Legat0bluesummrs: not day one
Real Freak83: i'm not saying he did
P337 teh 1337: not night one either
P337 teh 1337: Well
bullettime90: whoever invited me thx
Gamepro17616: heh
spheroiddice: me!
Legat0bluesummrs: so that means if the guardian doesnt come out, then the wolves would never wolf another wolf

Now this right here, oh this is my favourite part. Here Lupin literally tells people not to think so hard, heaven forbid they stop and consider him being a wolf.


Legat0bluesummrs: stop looking at this so in depth
Gamepro17616: I know that
AkornPT: and does he reveal who he'll protect?
Legat0bluesummrs: this is jTWG
P337 teh 1337: No
Legat0bluesummrs: and people in TWG wouldnt dare go near it

Most likely they wouldn’t go anywhere near it because it wouldn’t work in there. In TWG the Guardian would absolutely not reveal themselves to anyone Night One. In jTWG, who knows. They might.

Wolf #2: daniel_lewis20
Ah dan. My friend, and the one who originally suggested I could be a wolf. I’ll keep this short. Let’s start by showing a conversation with Psychic25.


ilseruus: hey, this is psychic25, got time for TWG at ffr?
Real Freak83: ok
ilseruus: all right
ilseruus: right now
ilseruus: i don't have much suspicion of you
Real Freak83: at least that's one person =/
ilseruus: i don't know how you acted previously, and i doubt you would be so stupid as to change it if you were a wolf
Real Freak83: right in one
Real Freak83: if i were a wolf i would try to blend in
ilseruus: right
ilseruus: day 1 diversions would be easy
ilseruus: and i don't see that your votes are suspicious, i would test the waters too
Real Freak83: well right now i would appriciate rsr2 getting out
Real Freak83: but that's looking less and less likly
ilseruus: and it seemed that nobody looked at the evidence that shows that daniel was contradicting himself
ilseruus: yeah that would be good
Real Freak83: wow someone else noticed that
Real Freak83: thank god
ilseruus: that was strange
ilseruus: nobody even took that into consideration
Real Freak83: i pointed it out
ilseruus: they're ignoring you and going WOLF WOLF WOLF
Real Freak83: he said, why are you accusing the one person of protecting you
Real Freak83: just after he showed evidence against me and reassured his vote against me
ilseruus: right i saw that
ilseruus: it seems like he's keeping up his tirade against you
Real Freak83: ugh... i have go try stuff on for vacation
ilseruus: ok
Real Freak83: not something i'm looking forward to doing :-(

Now go back and read Psychic25’s post, or the one where I pointed it out in the first place. Dan literally assured his vote on me. I voted for him. And then he accused me of attacking the person who was trying to help me.

Now dan has just recently posted:


Ok, to answer you post Psychic. I posted the convo I had with Freak because of my own suspicions that he was acting weird. Then I got advice that I should vote for him to see how he would react, even when I didn't want to. Then when he went on a complete defense and blamed me then voted for me without any evidence, that's what reaffirmed my vote. And the reason why no one is taking his side is because he's spitting in the face of everyone who's trying to help him, including me.

Not talking about what happened before you reaffirmed your vote, talking about what happened AFTER.

Wolf #3: Snapps
Snapps is self-explanatory and has been previously explained. Of course there is always the very likely possibility that Snapps is indeed human and just happened to be saved. In fact I do believe this is the most likely possibility. However, if the theory is in fact correct. Then Snapps would be a wolf.

Wolf #4: ???
I have suspicions but I’m not going to state them as they are nothing more than that, suspicions.

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Now… lastly, I’ll try to explain the reasons for my “weirdness”



Then everything blew up, and I realized Freak must be a wolf. He went into ultra alert mode and started getting really defensive, then evolving into a state of apathy. He went on a ridiculous posting spree, and now he's back in defensive mode. In the midst of this, my doubts on his wolfishness were cleared up, and the way ryebread defended him with ridiculous theories made it all the more convincing.

- I had just saved my ass from getting lynched in another TWG and just wanted to have some fun here
- I was on the phone with Rye and was having fun laughing at all my vote changes (completely unthinkable isn’t it?)
- I wanted to try something different
- I was upset me and slacky both didn’t get to play in TWG so I really didn’t think much about trying hard in this one. Instinct has taken over since.
- I didn’t feel like talking on AIM. Yet people kept IM’ing me. Dan caught me in the wrong mood.

Well I don’t know what else I can say. Those are all my current suspicions and theories. Either the Psychic will find out I was human if I’m lynched or the Seer can check me out if I live. Like I said earlier, there is a method to my madness and I haven’t even said what it is yet. So you can find out Day Two or Postgame depending on if you guys lynch me or if I live through today.

Oh one thing resting on why I could be entirely wrong on my wolf choices altogether. Dan, lupin, and snapps are all voting for the same person which is not something wolves like to do. But hey, nothing is impossible right? That’s what I am trying to make everyone realize.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

Do we really need to go back and see why the guardian never comes out night one?

There is no need, no reason, for the guardian to come out. I've made long winded posts explaining this, but I don't think you realize that the guardian remains anonymous for as long as possible.


And sorry for instilling fear in you guys. You know my motto- Heil Lupin! Now bow before me. :roll:

If you looked into things, you would understand them more clearly. The reason why ddrruler said that is because he believes I am a strong player and that voting me off because I want to get rid of inactives as a last resort would probably not be the best idea. He's not saying, "don't vote off the all powerful lupin!" Not by a long shot. For the longest time, I had weird vibes from you, but I didn't feel that it was enough to lose a good player like you, freak. It was until this evidence became undeniable that I started to believe the truth (to my own reluctance). Third, the only reason I said, "You're making accusations against me?" was not arrogance. At all. Maybe you shouldn't have left out the part where I thought it was ridiculous that you were calling me a wolf for dismissing an impossible idea (guardian coming out night one and having the incentive to guard the person who they happen to contact. Nobody else has been contacted by a guardian (if you have, say you have without naming names), making this even less likely.

According to you, night one, the guardian said, "hum de dum, let's find the seer" and proceeded to im somebody who just happened to be a wolf. "Hello there, I am the guardian." "Will you protect me?" "Yeah, sure!"

give me a break.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

Oh one thing resting on why I could be entirely wrong on my wolf choices altogether. Dan, lupin, and snapps are all voting for the same person which is not something wolves like to do. But hey, nothing is impossible right? That’s what I am trying to make everyone realize.

So first I'm this uber amazing player hailing from TWG, and then in the next moment, I vote three at a time with my other two wolf buddies. I realize you're getting desperate, but use evidence that isn't absolute crap just to fill up the page.

What I've been trying to get at is that the idea of the guardian and the wolves working together is so far fetched that it is detracting from the game. Instead of looking at possibilities, you're looking at near impossibilities. I find this whole argument a distraction, and even the fact that you contradict yourself several times is a testament to this.

[Freak83]

According to you, night one, the guardian said, "hum de dum, let's find the seer" and proceeded to im somebody who just happened to be a wolf. "Hello there, I am the guardian." "Will you protect me?" "Yeah, sure!"

give me a break.


Night One the wolves manage to get in touch with the Guardian. How is completely unknown. The possibilities are limitless.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

I think this is more a question of probability, and the probability of that happening ever, without anyone as a witness besides the guardian means that they contacted them directly.

Contacting the guardian himself, and not one other person: 1/13
Asking the human whether he is a guardian or not and getting the response, "yes I am" on the first night: slim to none
Telling the guardian you need to be seered because "I said so": slim to none
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Lynching Freak because of apparent suspicion: 1/15

I think I'm running with better odds.


I do realize you need to defend yourself, but obviously I cannot help by realizing your point if you're accusing me : ) . Nothing personal, I simply must defend myself if it comes to this.

[akorn]

Since I've been mostly active on the AIM chat, and not here on the forums, people might think I'm getting this out of nowhere... But this is my take on the game right now:

Theory 1: Conspiracy theory
-Snapps is a wolf, guardian revealed himself before 1st night, all that Freak posted... Honestly, this just seems way too farfetched to be true. Occam's razor anywone?

Theory 2: Freak is a wolf
-Basically, because of the way Freak switched votes around so many times, and how he responded to Dan's vote, his behaviour looked wolfish. This idea doesn't seem to have any solid base, besides from the fact that Rye_bread (who is Freak's friend irl) defended him.. Still, it's a possibility to consider.

Theory nr 3: My farfetched (or not) theory (I also have a right to make something up, right? =P )
Lupin is a wolf. My reason for thinking this is not because of the things Freak posted., but 2 main reasons...
-First, the vote on Freak on page 6 (which seemed to come out of nowhere.. at least I didn0t see anything suspicious in that chat, but maybe Lupin tried to follow on what Dan posted)

-Secondly, the whole Instalynch thing. Lupin was trying to organize an instalynch on Freak right before the day ended so inactives wouldn't get phantoms... Thing is, having phantoms on inactives is kinda inconsequential at this phase, especially because of the edge the humans have right now (Snapps being guarded, forming an alliance, etc.), but a good idea nonetheless.

My thought then was why would he want a insta on freak, and freak only, seeing as it wasn't really decided at that point who was gonna have the most votes at the end of the day. Maybe an inactive, like rs2, was a wolf, and he was trying to avoid a phantom for him (since they hurt wolves so much).

What made me really suspicious was this
[00:14] DanceGuy: I just thought of something
[00:14] Lupin_the_3rd: yeah
[00:14] DanceGuy: I'm not sure, it's just kinda a random thought
[00:14] DanceGuy: But remember how someone brought up seering rsr2?
[00:15] Lupin_the_3rd: not really
[00:15] DanceGuy: Say we lynch him today and seer Freak instead?
[00:15] DanceGuy: o lolz
[00:15] AkornPT: that'd be samrter than the 1st alternative
[00:15] Lupin_the_3rd: rsr2 could be the psychic. The psychic is probably the most important at this time

So yeah... Lupin is my vote for now.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

My thought then was why would he want a insta on freak, and freak only, seeing as it wasn't really decided at that point who was gonna have the most votes at the end of the day. Maybe an inactive, like rs2, was a wolf, and he was trying to avoid a phantom for him (since they hurt wolves so much).

This theory fails because I said, "whoever is the majority". So akorn, you're telling me that having 3 people with phantom votes doesn't matter? 3 phantom votes... Do you even realize what a phantom vote can do in the last rounds of the game? Instant elimination. Without a single vote placed upon them. The reason I say the majority is because if we do instalynch them (by which I mean minutes before the time ends) it doesnt effect the outcome of the vote, only the placements of phantom votes on THREE people.

What begins to worry me is the fact that 3 phantom votes seems "inconsequential". Sure, it may seem so at this point in time, but obviously you don't have any respect for the turnout of this game.

[bullettime90]

i change my vote to bullettime90.
i dont believe freak is a wolf but I don't want rsr2 to be voted off until we realize that he is inactive for sure.

[dAnceguy117]

K, I've posted lots of reasons, and I'm gonna be gone for the next few hours. I have to do this now. Freak83

[Rye_Bread]

As far as I can figure, NOBODY else noticed this, because nobody else mentioned it. BTW, if you want to look, it's on the bottom of page 5 and the top of page 6.

I believe that daniel_lewis20 is a wolf. He finds evidence that makes Freak look wolfish, and then jumps all over it.

I would do this, too, but then he also completely ignores Freak's attempts to defend himself. He is trying to launch a massive tirade against Freak by making up evidence (the last quote in the quote above), and he is trying to take as many shots at Freak as he can. Has anybody noticed that most, if not all, of Freak's posts are met by "stfu wolf"? Nobody's even trying to take his side- except for Rye.

When a wolf sees that a bandwagon is going to work, he does everything in his power to make it work.

Way to go Psychic25. In a time where everyone is so furiously defending themselves, i think we all needed you to clearly articulate what I tried to show immediately after the bandwagon. I am in exact agreement with you.

In respons to everyone thinking my earlier post (which has now become "the wolf theory"), either has a very slim chance of existing. At first i thought so to. It was such a slim chance I doubted even mentioning it. As I posted earlier, there are two reasons why I chose to let people know about it, accusing Snapps.

Snapps, because of your silence after such a pivotal moment, and then hopping on a ridiculous band wagon, I strongly begin to believe that there was a pre night1 alliance with a wolf and guardian in it, who convinced someone to protect Snapps, while his wolf friends killed him knowing he would be protected, as probably the best feint move of all time - letting snapps (one of the wolves) know all the special roles. That would be an excellent ploy.

For those two reasons I began to think this slim "wolf theory" was becoming more of a possibility.

Ok, to answer you post Psychic. I posted the convo I had with Freak because of my own suspicions that he was acting weird. Then I got advice that I should vote for him to see how he would react, even when I didn't want to.

That is a terrible reason. You have not given any remotely substantial evidence in you're defense against psychic's post, let alone either of Freak's or mine. If you go back to page 5, you will see that your "conversation evidence" consisted of (as you later admitted), him not "responding to you civilly." Then you bandwagoned against him ridiculously. Now I knew you were an ass who liked to do stuff like this, so it didn't surprise me. What did surprise me was when instantaneously Snapps replied supporting your ridiculous bandwagon. Hence me stating what has become the "wolf theory."

The fact that once I stated the possibility of the "wolf theory," certain people said their was a ridiculously thin chance, and others there was 'NO CHANCE." Well obviously there is a chance otherwise it wouldn't be possible, and I must agree with freak again when he says those people would should be suspect, as any wolf would immediately try to destroy the credibility of their theory.

The last thing and most important thing is, whether the wolf theory is correct (which I also believe is still an outward chance theory), Lupin and Dan have both behaved extremely suspiciously. Freak83 pretty much summed up all the evidence against them, and he did a damn good job of it. I will restate my vote for daniel_lewis20.

Hopefully you guys will start to see the truth like psychic25. Let's get the seer to confirm us. I know I'm a human, now you guys should know it.

Cheers,
Ryan

[akorn]

Meh, just realised that voting lupin, if I'm right, is the same as voting rsr2

[bullettime90]

i vote freak

[psychic25]

I'm voting Freak83, just so we can avoid people getting phantoms. Bullettime is doing it for the same reason, I believe.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

I hate to see this kind of bandwagonning, but freak is going down anyway. At the very least vote for him to avoid THREE phantoms, which have the potential to ensure a loss.

[bullettime90]

yes, as a matter of fact

[Rye_Bread]

I am changing my vote to rsr2. DON"T THINK FOR A SECOND THAT I AM DOING THIS BECAUSE I DOUBT MY LOGIC. I don't. I still believe Dan and lupin are wolves, with a possibility of danceguy and Snapps (if the wolf theory is correct).

Here is the dilemma right now. Unless we get another majority freak83 will be lynched, who I strongly believe is not a wolf (although there is a very small chance I'm wrong), but a no greater chance then with anyone else playing. If you guys don't get you're votes off freak83,

YOU ARE GOING TO KILL A GOOD HUMAN STRATEGIST BECAUSE OF ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE ON AN UNCIVIL RESPOND TO AN ANNOYING PRICK.

Plz. See sense before the postgame comes this time. (lol postgame will definetly be interesting, we'll see whether the wolf theory is actually correct or not).

Cheers,
Ryan

ACT QUICKLY

[akorn]

Freak83, because of the whole insta/phantom thing, but I'll have something to post on day 2...

[Freak83]

Wow vote rsr2 to avoid phantoms. Way to listen to Lupin_the_wolf guys. I've said everything I needed to, you're voting off a human. The psychic will confirm it. Kill lupin next.

[Rebirth0]

Damnit, I don't want to do this. But I have no choise.

I'm voting Freak83. It's to avoid Phantom.

Freak, I have a really strong feeling and I think this day was retarded.

[psychic25]

Rye, the reason we're doing this is so that the inactive humans avoid getting phantom votes.

Here's people's REAL suspicions/votes:

Akorn: Lupin/rsr2
Bullettime: bullettime
Gamepro: Gamepro
Psychic25: Daniel_lewis

[Lupin_the_3rd]

I take sole responsibility for all of these votes.

We waited as long as possible, and in the end, freak had the majority. These people voted against their will, only to uphold the lives of the damn inactives who are ****ing up this game.

The instalynch was purely to ensure that Vash, aassumedude, and rsr2 did not get phantom votes which would potential cause a human loss.

[Freak83]

The one person I do highly trust at this point is Rye_Bread (very high). Just for the sake of backing him up. I'm not a wolf, neither is Rye I really believe. See you later. Whoever is the psychic, own them for me and confirm my humanity. Now I can relax. :D

[Spheroid]

Ok, it's 7 and the day's up. Freak dies; I still need to check if it was an insta or not, but everyone says it was. Story will be up in the next two hours or so, hopefully just one.

[Freak83]

R.I.P. nubs :)

[Rebirth0]

I feel ready stupid and bad for Freak83, I was the guy that ultimately instalynched him and I wanted to give freak time to play in a TWG, Junior or not. This is the third game that he's died early in.

I'm sorry about this freak, but I didn't really have a choice. And I don't think there's a Psychic in this game, Spheroid never said there would be.

[Spheroid]

There is a psychic in this game. Although the story has not yet been posted, Day 1 has ended, so no more posting.

[Spheroid]

jTWG IV – Level 1 “Expanse of Fog” CLEARED Night 2

In the miserable plain of fog, the 16 person party fearfully discussed who to kill that day. Conflicting ideas and thoughts swirled about through the gloomy walk, and for most of the time, a definite choice could not be made. But they knew they had to kill someone if they wanted to ultimately live, and it was decided that the evidence was strongest on none other than Freak.

“But wait, you don’t understand . . .” pleaded Freak, but he was cut off as Lupin seized his throat.”

“Face it Freak,” he said vehemently. “The evidence all points to you. You dug your self in a hole too deep to climb out of.”

“Wait,” Freak gagged, but Akorn cut him off.

“There’s no time to wait,” he said.

And with that, the 15 of them took out their hunting daggers, and rushed at Freak with such vigor and velocity, that when they were all done, Freak was a bloody pile of flesh, and most everyone’s clothes were dyed red.

“So now what?” said rsr2.

A sound of th