TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really)

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  • GuidoHunter
    is against custom titles
    • Oct 2003
    • 7371

    #31
    Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

    Hans, that was the first thing I looked for (the players who were in last game, too), but I determined that it just isn't likely that we can glean anything from that, at least at this point. There are four people in this game that weren't in the last one, and I followed it. So unless our wolf team is the three other people, the one or more people who played last game could easily have convinced any others that iggy can prove to be useful.

    And, as I write this, I realize I'm surely thinking exactly what the wolves want me to think. Iggy's not a surprising kill to me because of how active he was, he was killed last game to shut people up and avoid discussion, etc. Assuming iggy didn't talk to anyone last night (he sure didn't talk to me), there's an equal chance for everyone for blue fishing. Iggy just has a reason to be expected.

    I've gotta say, though, I'm in favor of the bane coming out, but the prospect of an invincible blue + seer might be enough to get a fake blue to come out. Sure, if a fake seer is pulled, we can lynch both as a precaution, but what if a fake bane comes out? Is there any way to prove this? Neither of them would ever get wolfed in order to prove his humanity.

    I know this is just me being paranoid like I do every time a blue coming out is discussed, but once the bane comes out, we lose all chance of a guarding, confirmation of the bane, and the prospect of an extra day. I know that the bane coming out successfully would be great for us, but what do the wolves have to risk by faking it? Like Kilga said, we're not stupid enough to lynch the bane, so trading one-for-one isn't nearly as beneficial as doing so with, say, the seer or psychic.

    --Guido

    Originally posted by Grandiagod
    Originally posted by Grandiagod
    She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
    Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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    • mead1
      Cerebellumberjack
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Aug 2003
      • 3960

      #32
      Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

      Actually, I think that was more truth than excuse. eb and Afro are distracted by MS at all times.

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      • MilfeulleSakuraba
        Ryoko Shintani is #1!
        • Feb 2006
        • 403

        #33
        Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

        Not to derail good conversation, but, as already demonstrated, I am all for the avatar switch thing like what people did for Dark Matters. >_>

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        • evilbutterfly
          FFR Player
          • Apr 2003
          • 5784

          #34
          Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

          Won't happen EB. When there are 3 people left, it's human bane wolf. The wolf will get voted, not the human obviously.
          It's possible if the bane doesn't come out. Since the bane will most likely come out today. I was mostly just wondering about it, just as a "what if..." type question. It's not like I really expect it to come down to that...

          Uh, who the hell is Wilkin and how'd he evade jTWG? I mean, from what I see so far I don't have a problem with it, but wtf did I miss in the signup thread!? o__O

          Mead's post of defending himself when there has been no accusation made seems off.
          I agree, but I'll admit that I don't know TWG-mead well enough to remember if he usually is like "I ain't not wolf lol" or not... =\

          Tass says all sorts of stuff about how it won't happen and that it never has.
          1) Aren't you one of the people who is always trying to tell us that statistics don't matter, that no matter how unlikely something is statistically doesn't mean it won't happen? Numbers you pull out based on past games have **** to do with this one, and you know it. There's nothing stopping the wolves from pulling some crazy stuff.
          2) You're the only one to pull a fake seer? Are you 100% sure on that? I know I've done fake seer in jTWG before (barely counts) and I could have sworn other people did fake seer in TWG also...

          Jurs... don't resort to name calling in TWG just because you're stupid.
          Sup hypocrisy, how's it going?

          I'd like to point out that eb used maplestory as an excuse to be "inactive" when he was a wolf.
          Actually, the only reason I knew anything was going on was because Chris was the host, and he'd mention having to update it. If he hadn't said that, my phantom that I had got on purpose that day wouldn't have been on purpose at all. Until he's dead this game, though, he'll prolly mention the day ending or we'll discuss stuff, so I'll be a bit more active until he dies.

          Actually, I think that was more truth than excuse. eb and Afro are distracted by MS at all times.
          Bingo, we have a winner. I can't remember when the last game was before the most recent one, but I'm fairly sure my activity had dropped a ton in that one, too, thanks to Maplestory. Last game I was more inactive than I normally would have been, but wolf or no wolf, I would have been inactive either way. I'll try to be better this game, but you guys gotta remind me. =P

          Oh, and on that subject, I seriously wasn't paying attention to the game last time, so I didn't really notice iggy. Tass will most likely confirm this, cuz when he came to me asking about kills I was always like "whatever rofl I'm not reading the thread" cuz I seriously wasn't paying attention. If I were to kill iggy as a wolf, it'd prolly be because I'm all about random wolfings. I would totally randomize all my wolfings if it weren't for wolf partners always being like "omg let's think this over and make smart choices!" Screw that, I say. Random deaths are way more confusing.

          But uh, yeah, I dunno. I never suspect people Day 1 (and I say this every game). Somebody IM me when the day is almost over and I need to bandwagon onto the bane's vote. =P
          So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =(

          In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz.

          So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright.
          And I write the blog for their website.

          Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

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          • talisman
            Resident Penguin
            FFR Simfile Author
            • May 2003
            • 4598

            #35
            Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

            I wouldn't be so certain that the bane will come out. Guido makes a really good point in that it's easily faked... and I agree that it might not be to our advantage to trade the bane for a wolf, if two were to come out.

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            • Tps222
              FFR Player
              • Nov 2004
              • 6169

              #36
              Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

              I've pulled fake seer via PM in TWG 19. Got guarded as wolf etc.

              Anyways.

              I had some suspicions on afro and Hans, but there recent posts have settled that for me. I guess the overall verdict on the death of Iggy is a confusion kill, which derails me from looking into last game. It's probably would have been in vein anyways, I already see a few lists of who played last game, and I think it was guido who pulled that stats up on it that basically stated it wouldn't help us that much. No one has really jumped out at me yet, so I will wait.

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              • Afrobean
                Admiral in the Red Army
                • Dec 2003
                • 13262

                #37
                Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

                Originally posted by evilbutterfly
                You're the only one to pull a fake seer? Are you 100% sure on that? I know I've done fake seer in jTWG before (barely counts) and I could have sworn other people did fake seer in TWG also...
                I've faked seer twice. Human both times. Once against ap when I was sure of his being a wolf and no one would listen to me, and once simply to jumpstart discussion.

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                • GuidoHunter
                  is against custom titles
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 7371

                  #38
                  Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

                  Guys, can y'all read? Really...

                  Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                  I believe there have been ZERO instances over 26 games of 2 people going to 1 blue-who-has-come-out pretending to be the same person. Aka... only the real blue has actually gone to the known role.
                  He's saying that we've never had to go one-for-one to eliminate a red while sacrificing a blue.

                  --Guido


                  Originally posted by Grandiagod
                  Originally posted by Grandiagod
                  She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
                  Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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                  • talisman
                    Resident Penguin
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • May 2003
                    • 4598

                    #39
                    Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

                    Originally posted by tps
                    Won't happen EB. When there are 3 people left, it's human bane wolf. The wolf will get voted, not the human obviously.
                    Just noticed this... why is it obvious that the wolf will get voted, and not the human? Couldn't the bane pick wrong?

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                    • Tasselfoot
                      Retired BOSS
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 25185

                      #40
                      Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

                      To point out to eb... the hypocrisy was on purpose. Duh. Also... defensive much?

                      And, as far as everyone quoting their fake seerings... mine was the only one done as a wolf when the real seer was still alive, which is the only reason I mentioned it at all. Otherwise, Guido summed up my point perfectly.

                      And to Talisman... intelligent discussion should almost always lead to the correct choices in a one is blue vs one is red decision. Remember the game where Kilga (I think) hosted and on a certain night 2 people were revealed... one was a human, one was a wolf. BOTH were people everyone else suspected as being a wolf. In the end we correctly lynched Chardish. AND on day 1, we have very little prior evidence to sway our guts one way or the other, as opposed to the late-game situations where the wolf usually survives.

                      I'm all for the wolves trying a fake seering or fake wolfsbane this game. Will make it so very entertaining... AND it will likely fail.
                      RIP

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                      • Tasselfoot
                        Retired BOSS
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 25185

                        #41
                        Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

                        Also... so all you fags who don't read the god damn signup thread... and will stop IMing me or posting about this...

                        Wilkin is a friend of Hans. He is currently a college freshman (so he and Hans don't see each other IRL). He wrote a paragraph (as is stated in the rules) saying why he should be allowed to skip jTWG, including playing once live (or a few times?) in a class of his. TWC voted to let him in. Now STFU about it already.
                        RIP

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                        • GuidoHunter
                          is against custom titles
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 7371

                          #42
                          Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

                          Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                          mine was the only one done as a wolf when the real seer was still alive, which is the only reason I mentioned it at all. Otherwise, Guido summed up my point perfectly.
                          Except for the fact that I didn't say anything about that. 'member the game where alain and I were wolves, he fake seered and had you fooled up and down until someone miraculously told the real seer (blah) that the alliance had a seer right before they died?

                          Your earlier point was about a real blue and a fake blue coming out to a confirmed human never happening.

                          --Guido


                          Originally posted by Grandiagod
                          Originally posted by Grandiagod
                          She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
                          Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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                          • Tps222
                            FFR Player
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 6169

                            #43
                            Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

                            Last 10 or so posts have been completely pointless in helping us find the wolves. Stop with the e-penis games. I don't care if I'm a hypocrit.

                            Guido has been a lot more active than I remember. Looking back at some past games, this was a trait he displayed while he was a wolf, so it's something I'll watch out for.

                            Vash came back with his typical pointless post. C'mon man, do something productive this game.

                            I've talked to Tass, Afro, and Talisman thus far this game, I'd open for IM's anytime. I'd actually like to win this one.

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                            • GuidoHunter
                              is against custom titles
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 7371

                              #44
                              Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

                              Are you joking, Tps? My last games as a wolf have been my most inactive. And it's because I've been a wolf so much lately that it now seems that I'm super active.

                              Plus, I think the only person who's posted anything out of the ordinary was mead with his hastened defense. Like I said earlier, I doubt we'll get anything real from Iggy's death, and I just haven't seen anything out of the ordinary from anyone. Of course, I just have to remeber that three people who've posted are wolves. I'll be rereading the thread tonight.

                              --Guido


                              Originally posted by Grandiagod
                              Originally posted by Grandiagod
                              She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
                              Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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                              • talisman
                                Resident Penguin
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • May 2003
                                • 4598

                                #45
                                Re: TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really) (Night 1)

                                tps not sure I agree with that ten posts claim. (but I do agree the history debating probably doesn't need to continue). anyway tass brings up a good point in his post about what would happen if the wolves did try to fake it... I'm not sure it would be quite as easy as he describes (a lot would depend on who the bane was and who was doing the faking) but we would probably stand a good chance of getting it right.

                                The problem is that even if we do, we won't know for certain... and that would mean not encouraging the seer to go the bane (on the change that we picked wrongly) which would forestall the alliance and pretty much defeat the point in the first place.

                                I'm still slightly in favor of the bane coming out though... just to see if the wolves would be ballsy enough to fake it (would the wolves fake first or second?) and risk running the gauntlet of everyone's combined analytical forces.

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