TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really)

[talisman]

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and here I was wondering if blah and hans were wolf buddies and blah orchestrated all that last minute mayhem to save him. Have to agree with blah now though, only really logical reason for them to kill hans was that they thought the last minute switch off of him somehow made him more human. either that or bluehunting, always a possibility (though somewhat remote based on that convo with tass, assuming the seer had come out to tass at that point).

at wilkin: I kind of disagree. "Influence" can have different forms... last game he had a very powerful positive (except for wanting me dead all game) influence. This game, if he had any influence, it would be a distracting influence, and (normally) wolves tend to let distracting influences live (for obvious reasons). So like I said, I think it's something to do with everyone switching off of him at the end that made the wolves think that for some reason he wouldn't be as much of distraction later in the game.

[talisman]

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hmm, another possibility that just occurred to me (after I already hit the submit button, ugh):

1. guido was a wolf and his wolf partners assumed that everyone would think he was and therefore it would be a good idea to just go ahead and off the guy guido was pushing for as everyone would see him as human the rest of the game.

or

2. a post-mortem frame by the wolves to make people think it's case 1.

Kind of far fetched and convoluted, but possible. On the topic of guido, I kinda doubt that he was a wolf, but I've been known to have bad instincts regarding day one lynchings (sorry mead). I mean, I see what blah and tps are saying, but I also think that guido acts that way alot of the time anyway, not posting much, but posting fairly thought out responses when he does.

[Tasselfoot]

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It doesn't matter if Guido was a wolf or not. We have no way of telling without a psychic.

What seems more important to me is voting patterns (as always).

I wish this wasn't Wilkin's first game. I have no way of judging whether he is an idiot, a genius, somewhere in between.... nor his tendencies at all.

I also wish there was no game called MapleStory. It is such a real distraction to Afro and eb, that I find it very difficult to judge their behavior appropriately, because of their addiction.

I do find it odd that this is the 1st game in about 8 where Afro didn't jump and accuse me right after my 1st post. Doesn't mean he's a wolf, as he did it one game as a wolf. Maybe it just means his hard-on for me has faded, or something.

*sigh*

Just sucks, cause I never really suspected Hans at all. *raises his fist in the air* damn you wolves!!! except, y'know... I'm not that dramatic.

[Tasselfoot]

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Also, I'm going to be gone all weekend... up in Troy NY. I will almost certainly be socializing with TPS in person for a few hours. So, oh no! RL interaction. Tough.

But, I have no idea whether I'll be around when the day ends (or even awake). I think I'll just post something big at the last possible time before I know I won't be around. *sigh*.

[Wilkin]

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I find Talis' last post to make a lot of sense, and, regardless of likeliness should be taken into consideration.

(Note: Whether or not Guido was a wolf may not matter at the moment, but I find the subject important to my analysis below.)

Now about Guido. In retrospect, it seems more to me like he was a wolf. Why? Because, looking back a few pages, it occurred to me that Guido was the first to jump on Hans about jumping on the alliance idea, using Hans' "sketchy" behavior to cover up his own. With that post, he started the voting that almost got Hans lynched. Two of these voters were Vash and Mini, whose voting posts went like:

Okay, skimming through this thread (sorry for business =<), I just find Hanssky's behavior quite different from what he acted like last game. Sorry Hans =<

and

Something about hans's is really bugging me and I don't know what it is.

Between all of the vote changing and time running out, I think we overlooked the "sketchiness" of these votes, especially since both gave very vague reasons. Skimming through the entire thread and commenting on only Hans' posts doesn't sound quite sincere.


Getting back to the story. After the plan to lynch Hans failed, Guido tried to save himself by voting Afro (which Vash also happened to do two posts after Afro voted Guido), hoping for the KiB (probably didn't see Tass' vote that pretty much sealed Guido's fate). So, after being lynched, Vash and Mini decided to do away with Hans, as their lynching plan was already foiled. Why Hans in the first place? I don't know.

By the way, Vash's switch from Hans to Guido went something like:

Afro...What is with this constant switching of votes? I can't really tell if it's a bandwagon or if you're purposely kind of drawing attention, but it's not going to go undetected.

No explanation, and done two posts after Afro's vote on Guido. Coincidence? I don't think so.

[mead1]

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Ok, It's really a shame we know Hans to be human now, he was still high on my suspicion list. Oh well.

Wilkin the points you make on Mini and Vash are valid, but jTWGers are mostly retards, and don't follow the same logic. Or, I know Vash is a retard, I don't know Mini at all. But if they are working together, retards or not, I doubth they would vote together with no reasoning. That's just something they would know would draw a large amount of suspicion, and with neither of them on the chopping block, it probably wouldn't be worth it.

However, and this came to me as I was typing this post, maybe they acted together to save whoever the third wolf is. I think this theory would point to eb or Guido.

[JurseyRider734]

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Yeah I IM'd Wilkin this morning (don't know if he got it) and told him that the reason vash and Mini are posting vague posts with no reasoning and pretty much bandwaggoning is because they're idiots.

[Wilkin]

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Yeah, I got the message. Thanks for the info, guys. Even so, my suspicions remain on Vash for the abrupt change of vote to Afro, described in more detail earlier (for those who didn't see).

[mead1]

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Well, like I said, I'm not saying their definately not wolves, I'm just saying if they are, the third is someone mighty crafty.

[vashthestampede0987]

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My vote on Hans was because I thought I was running out of time when tass told me "You only have an hour left" so I went off a gut feeling. If you also look back I posted that Hans' post looked like one of those "oh look at me I'm a wolf jk but I'm really not jking." It's kind of like igotrhytm's idea but with more thought into it and more reverse psychology. Mini's vote simply seems like a "everyone thinks vash is a retard so I'll make him out to look like a wolf." Guido's posting after me voting for Afro is just coincidental and now all this "Vash didn't back up his vote" **** from wilkin is pretty stupid seeing as I wrote

Afro...What is with this constant switching of votes? I can't really tell if it's a bandwagon or if you're purposely kind of drawing attention, but it's not going to go undetected.

If I were a wolf I'd play it a lot smarter than going "OSHI REVENGE VOTE" because that's just plain out retarded.

[JurseyRider734]

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Hey guys my dad took my laptop away so I don't really have any computer access. I don't go on the computers at school either because I have chorus and I can't go to the library and I have no classes where we use computers. My dad won't let me go on this computer unless I need to do schoolwork so i'm kind of cheating right because he's gone. I asked Hans (even though he's dead--he's like the only one who texts me sometimes) to keep me updated on what goes on in the thread. I guess if any of you really needed to contact me he could give you my cell number if you ask him.

I'll definitely try to get on before Saturday to make a vote, though.

[Afrobean]

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I really don't like the way Wilkin has been posting. He's stating the obvious, agreeing with people, and being over analytical of irrelevent happenings. His only behavior that might indicate humanity is his accusations on vash and mini (in my experience humans are more agressive against people and wolves are more passive with things like "I don't know who to vote for, but I guess I'll vote xxx", especially in less experienced players). However, any person can clearly identify that it seems as though he's going after the seemingly weekest players.

He's also being quite wordy about it, perhaps to disguise the fact that he's not actually helping.

PS jurs, if you really can't access the game, you should probably think about pulling out and having Kilga give the role to someone else.

[blahblah18]

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ewwwww I agree with afro

[Tasselfoot]

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I'd appreciate a ruling from Kilga on Jurs' status. Let her stay and be inactive, or boot her and replace her. If she is replaced, make sure the person replacing her doesn't know what is going on with the game (aka, not Fish etc... panda perhaps, if guido didn't talk to her about it? or nForcer?)

I have a retarded amount of work to do this weekend in addition to being on a weekend road trip... *sigh*.. so, I'll be making my vote later tonight while writing a paper. It will be my final vote for the day (most likely), and will almost certainly lead to that person being lynched.

Blah, what part of Afro's post do you agree with?

[talisman]

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I'd assume it's the wilkin part...

From my perspective, on wilkin: I'd rather have fourteen wilkins in a game than fourteen jurses (just using jurs as an example since she's apparently going to be more inactive than usual now). And I kinda think behavior judgments on wilkin are going to be rather baseless, since like tass said we don't have any idea how he plays "normally". He could be this analytical as a human, or only as a wolf... no way to tell for sure.

PS where are tps and eb? It's like they got off the hook yesterday and decided never to post again...