TWG XXVII: Art Causes Harm to the Body (Really)

[Tps222]

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*revives*Yesterday was Ash Wednesday, so I was forced to go to religion on top of being at my fathers. Today I had track.

This is annoying me, because so far the beginning of this day seems no different than the beginning of day 1(except the whole Jurs bit).Wilkin makes a post that sums everything up, a couple people comment on that. Tass, I expect and figure that your post will have some decent reasoning behind your vote. Personally, I'm not seeing anything. I read through the thread specifically focusing on Afro's, EB's, and Meads post, and compared them to some of there past games, and saw absolutely nothing different.

I think I'm going to take a closer look on the whole mini-vash thing though, it just seems that they are getting a free pass for being new and not knowing any better. I know I used that as an excuse my first game, and I snuck under the radar easily. I highly doubt they are just idiots. More to come from me later, I'll be on aim for a bit as well.

[Wilkin]

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Well, Vash, I find it funny how I never mentioned any sort of revenge vote. And trying to save a fellow wolf would hardly fall into that category. You quoted yourself in order to show that you did in fact have reasoning. What exactly was it? That Afro changed his vote, and you didn't want it "to go undetected?" For one, lots of people changed their votes, including you, which brings me to my second point - you jumped on Afro for changing his vote, making you no different. It reminds me of when Guido jumped on Hans for Hans jumping on the alliance idea. You did the exact same thing you voted Afro for. If you have a better explanation, I'll be glad to hear it. Until then, I'll make sure your suspicious activity doesn't "go undetected."

Afro: I know I can be wordy. Sorry about that. Kinda goes with my overanalysis. My summarizing of info is basically me trying to sum up my feelings on certain issues all in one post. Up until now, I have not felt or have had no reason feel strongly about anything, leading to some passive posts. Now that I've found something, expect me to be much more active.

[Wilkin]

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(Sorry for the double post, missed something while reading Afro's post)

I don't understand how I'm "going after" the weakest players. If this is your logic, then should I be going against you, Talis and Hans (pre-wolfing), the stronger players, with no real reason? My suspicions on Vash have nothing to do with his experience, but solely on his actions during the game. You can't question someone based on the strength of their player they're suspicious of. I've already stated all my reasons, and that's it.

[MilfeulleSakuraba]

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Jurs will be allowed to stay in the game until she misses an entire game day.

[vashthestampede0987]

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What I was trying to get across was he changed his vote like twice in a single hour. It seemed out of character for Afro. Btw, I just don't like you very much kthxbi.

[JurseyRider734]

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Btw I can start getting online normal times on Monday because my dad is going to Europe for a week and a half (thank god) and my mom is nice.

Thanks for the warm response, guys. (especially talisman)

[Wilkin]

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At least Afro supplied more reason for his votes than "out of character." With all the information out there by lynch-time, I'd think something more substantial would have come out of the voters. Hence my suspicion.

[Tasselfoot]

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OK... Here goes, then paper time...

Wilkin... we here at FFR TWG base ALOT of our decisions on someone's actions compared to their past actions. I think that is what Vash was saying, albiet I disagree with his logic. Also, I don't get how you said you should be attacking Hans/Talisman etc instead of Vash/Mini when going for weak players, as you even stated the 1st group was the stronger players... going for the weak is completely opposite to what you said. BUT, I'll give you the credit of being new and not even knowing who is a strong player vs a weak one (although it would have been easy to ask Hans).

Now... TPS brings up me giving alot of insight into my post/vote. Well, here goes...

Jurs. Two reasons:

1. Whorli was driving back from the Flyers game tonight, and I was talking out loud about TWG to her. I thought about who would benefit from Hans dying, and why he would be wolfed. Few reasons. Most obviously... blue hunting. But, there would seem to be better choices for that, considering Hans was still under ALOT of scrutiny.

But who else would benefit? To me, Wilkin would seem to benefit if he was a wolf, because Hans is the ONLY person who knows him at all and has any kind of idea as to how he plays. I'm surprised this wasn't brought up by anyone at all. The only other person to benefit (IMO) is Jurs. This also wasn't brought up, but the only person who was defending Hans die-hard all day was Jurs. I even attacked her about it. Hans dying makes her appear human, for defending him.

And between Jurs/Wilkin, as someone already said... I'd rather have Wilkin than Jurs. Wilkin is proving active and seemingly helpful... Jurs is not doing much more than name calling.

2. Jurs' lack of a computer will limit her activity even more. Clearly not a prominent reason, but it is certainly a factor to be considered. I'd rather not have her replaced, but I don't want her coasting by without activity either.

[Wilkin]

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Just to clarify on what I said, I meant that if Afro was becoming suspicious of me for "attacking" the weaker players, then would his opinion of me have been different if I went after some of the stronger ones instead.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Tasselfoot]

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If all of you would humor me....

please PRIVATE MESSAGE (as I'll be on and off AIM all weekend... I will have my computer with me in Troy) me ASAP. I want you to tell me who the 3 wolves are (on the assumption that Guido was not a wolf). Perhaps I can discern something from all of this data collectively. And, I would highly advise against not PMing me. That would not make Tass happy.

[talisman]

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wait... do you want us to pm you or not? I'd guess yes, but that "I would highly advise against not PMing me" would suggest otherwise...

On the topic of jurs, I think that's an interesting possibility, although when I was considering the hans-jurs connection I went the other way with it. I didn't think jurs would want to kill hans simply because she's idiosyncratic enough to want him around as long as possible anyways and probably thinks she can fool him. The making her look human because she defended him makes alot of sense though... guess it depends on how crafty you think jurs would be. I don't really see her thinking to the third level like that, but that could be an underestimation.

Going to go reread the thread (now that my day is winding down) and see what I can see (and also to answer tass' question).

[Tasselfoot]

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TasselFoot: you need to learn how to read.
*** Auto-response from stressreliefball: dinner and then to work on final paper for psych
TasselFoot: advise against not PMing me = double negative = PM me.
stressreliefball: oh
*** Auto-response sent to stressreliefball: Arcade games with rankings! http://www.ffrcade.com
stressreliefball: right

hope that clears that up.

[evilbutterfly]

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Sorry, Ludi came out today and I was exploring. >___>

And uh, I dunno, Jurs never seems like a wolf to me cuz she's never around. And I know this is gonna sound weird, but Wilkin just rubs me the wrong way. I'm not sure what it is but he just seems weird. It's prolly just his style and I'm overreacting, but I have a strong feeling that something is going on there. Hans dying would help him, too, and he's proven (with some of things he's said that think on a higher level of whatifs) that he's not a complete moron, and that he may think up something like that.

Although, he does seem to completely overlook certain things, like how Hans had a huge influence last game because he got guarded and was a guaranteed human. It's not that we all wanted to listen to Hans, it's that we all kinda had to. Any other TWG newby and I'd be like "oh well, he's just stupid" but Wilkin has said things that make me believe he's not just another TWG newby.

And yeah yeah yeah, nobody knows him but Hans so we can't effectively judge his behavior, but it just seems off to me. This is the first time I've ever had a real gut feeling just from reading somebody's posts, so I'm acting on it immediately.

And as for Tass's PM idea: Screw that. I don't know who the 3 wolves are. I never have been able to say something like that and I suspect I never will. Get mad at me for not PMing me, I don't care. If I gave you three names they'd be completely out of my ass (or random.org's), so I'm not going to bother.

[talisman]

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what I just sent to tass (written before I saw eb's post just now, not that that changes anything):

finished rereading. my top three:

1. still eb. everything about his posts day one up through his vote post on afro seem off to me... overly defensive, forced, etc. The posts after that seem more natural, but still rather defensive. I want to see what he posts today.

2. mead/blah. I had to willfully force myself to overlook mead's posts yesterday based on how I messed up last game... but that doesn't change the fact that they're all way off sounding (see afro's vote justification post). still giving him the benefit of the doubt, for now.

On blah, all that last minute stuff made me really reconsider him. My only experience of him (that I can remember right now) as wolf was when I was a wolf with him, so I'm not really sure what he's like as a wolf from a human perspective. but I'm also leery of the apparent illogicality of the wolfings... blah has already played the "I'm too logical to do that" card and that would be my first assumption as well... but how easy would it be for him to cash in on that? sort of like ld cashing in on his inactivity.

3. mini/vash - there's no way these two are together, that's for sure (unless they're really really bad, and I don't think they are), but they definitely both made some seriously weird votes. Wilkin already pointed out the way vash could have possibly been setting up for a last minute save for guido by voting afro, and mini's vote on hans was an incredibly blatant bandwagon.

I realize this is 5, not 3. If I had to strictly 3, I'd probably go for eb/blah/mead or maybe eb/mead/mini.

[Tasselfoot]

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well eb, you obviously came up with ONE person of the three....

give me 2 others.

this is not really a question. this is a demand for everyone to do. so, please stop with the MS for another 2 seconds and humor me. and please do not just random.org it, as that would not be useful towards trying to use all of your information as a collective.