TWG Turbo 41: Trust Fall! [GAME THREAD]

[Hakulyte]

Anyone coming back to this thread, please reread the thread assuming the wolf team dynamic is Shadow_God/MixMasterLar.

I think it will help you make sense of what's going on exactly in the game and why everyone is acting the way they do in relation to their posts.

[Hakulyte]

If I'm wrong, I think Roundbox/Raeko always town.

I do have to concede that DucDucGoos is a wild card based on iso. I like to think laying low has some town merit in this specific game tho and that isolated town makes more sense than wolf here.

Char could be a deep wolf on paper as well and is in direct conflict with MML imo as to who is T/W.

[Hakulyte]

Do not despair just yet MML. I have found a potential escape rope for you in this game in the form of this post while isolating Toko.

Fuck, man. I really don't want to do this, but with Freezin's offer to Lewdy on the table, I feel like I don't have a choice.
I trust Hakulyte.

I'm sure this may ruffle some feathers, given all I've said in this game so far is that I want to go to the end. I really, truly do. But that was in the context of a new player seeing how long it took this game to fill up and not knowing when my next opportunity to play would arise, as well as me wanting to help town out with various reads throughout the game. Clearly there are some here that do not want that, and after sleeping on it, I feel like it's something I should respect. Given how the game is designed, I could stay here until it's myself, another town, and a wolf, and I still wouldn't have any control over what that other town player does. At some point, all I can do is offer my own reads, leave the game, and let my role flip validate my point of view on things, encouraging others to use it as a point of reference, not an end-all be-all guide for who to trust. And unfortunately, that has to be sooner than later for me, because I won't be around tonight. I have a previous commitment that I need to be present for.

I also understand that even if Haku accepts this, it doesn't stop Lewdy from trusting Freezin in any way, shape, or form. The thing is, I just don't want that to feel like the only option to avoid the first checkpoint. Lewdy is currently bottom three in my town reads, hovering on the edge of being wolf. Thing is, I have to imagine that even a sleep-deprived, delirious wolfLewdy accepts the trust fall from Freezin immediately, assuming they aren't wolf partners. That also leaves Freezin, who I initially had as null town lean, but given the chaotic nature of their posts, I also don't trust them fully atm. I don't feel like a wolf would draw so much (negative?) attention to themselves, but I also don't know how Freezin usually plays, given I've only ever paid attention to the previous game that was played, and one game is not a big enough sample size to form an opinion on.

Even given my reservations, I take a chance falling with Haku here over a potential Freezin/Lewdy fall to get past the first checkpoint 99 times out of 100.

I do agree with Haku that if we don't at least try for a town/town trust fall here, we throw the game. If we wait until the last minute to try and figure something out, there's more likelihood for a wolf to sneak out. I know I'm town, and Haku is my strongest town read right now. If I'm wrong, then I'm truly sorry. But this is where I feel things stand, and as much as I may not like it, I think this is the right move for town to have a good foothold in the game.

Knowing that Lewdy was wolf this game, posts like these are giving me mixed signals.
More important, there's a crucial point I didn't consider that just popped in my mind.

Lewdy got trust fall by Freezin and he didn't instantly leave. Why ?
I think the answer is because he wanted his partner to escape at same time.
Toko tried to trust fall me after I refused Sunfan's trust fall.
MML did -NOT- trust fall anyone I believe.
Which implies that planning wise, it would make sense that Toko is the last wolf in terms of "escape plan".

[Hakulyte]

Regardless, I'm concluding that everyone else should trust fall and exit this game leaving both Toko and MML together.

[Hakulyte]

What's funny is that if the last wolf is between MML/Toko, we don't need to solve it. We can just win with parity.

[Hakulyte]

Now it begs the question. Was Toko's trust fall before or after Freezin's trust fall on Lewdy ?

Open Trust Offers thru Post #719:

• FreezinIce offers trust to Shadow_God_10 in post #553
• Charmoeleon offers trust to Hakulyte in post #579
• Galaxink offers trust to the sun fan in post #692

A Trust Fall must be executed by 10:00PM server time today, or in approximately 5 and a half hours, for town to avoid a forced Trust Fall with a randomized wolf.
All open trust offers remain open through the checkpoint and do not get overwritten by other Trust Falls.

It was after and really soon after as well ! It checks out !

[Hakulyte]

So, based on what I see, I think Toko is our last wolf and he unfortunately pushed a little too far on the "too good to be true" side.

I wouldn't have found this if Lewdy didn't end up in this strange situation and Sunfan lived long enough to tell the story.

[Hakulyte]

Mathematically speaking, I would suggest Roundbox/Raeko to trust fall each other here and then I'll trust fall DucDucGoos unless something crazy happens.

[Hakulyte]

"Fuck, man. I really don't want to do this, but with Freezin's offer to Lewdy on the table, I feel like I don't have a choice."
- Toko

What did you not have a choice for ? Freezin leaving with Lewdy didn't end the game and I cannot even invent a reason why you would have said that as town.

TWG is not normally "solved", but I just cannot unsee this and I feel like Freezin accidentally made the game possible to solve by leaving with Lewdy who created a question for town by not immediately leaving like Sunfan mentioned earlier.

It's like breaking the fourth wall for me. I cannot assume anymore. Even if I left with you and you were town, it wouldn't have changed the outcome and even in that world, the premise still doesn't make sense.

I'll stop here because I honestly think you played well and this sequence of events almost feels like a loophole in this game.
The game was about doing trust falls between players and it ended up being about taking advantage of trust falls to gain information.

Still, the double escape plan really felt like a good plan worth trying. I think it had a good chance to work. I'm just really paranoid with trust by default in every game. I wasn't the ideal target here despite the town read part.

For me, I think this game is over.

[Hakulyte]

I was going to trust fall DucDucGoos here and leave, but I guess you guys can proofread me first before I do anything. I've loss enough games over silly things like that before to not at least wait for a second opinion this time.
Gotta let the team be a team.

[MixMasterLar]

I am literally trying to walk out the door to work and I legit do not have the time to respond to....to all this but

Do not despair just yet MML. I have found a potential escape rope for you in this game in the form of this post while isolating Toko.


Knowing that Lewdy was wolf this game, posts like these are giving me mixed signals.
More important, there's a crucial point I didn't consider that just popped in my mind.

Lewdy got trust fall by Freezin and he didn't instantly leave. Why ?
I think the answer is because he wanted his partner to escape at same time.
Toko tried to trust fall me after I refused Sunfan's trust fall.
MML did -NOT- trust fall anyone I believe.
Which implies that planning wise, it would make sense that Toko is the last wolf in terms of "escape plan".

Fuck that makes a lot of sense. Lewdy would also be mindful of a new wolf player

[MixMasterLar]

Yeah I think while I slept Sunfan and Haku solved the game, damn

Will post from work later

[Charmoeleon]

So I woke up about an hour ago, and have been catching up on things. Reading through this feels like watching a car crash in slow motion. This sucks. But I have to say one thing real quick:

I am not Lewdy's partner, but that genuinely does not matter right now. I implore everyone still in the game to not initiate any trust falls.

Leave me as one of the last two in the game, I don't care about that. But if you do so content that you've solved this game, you're making a mistake.

[MixMasterLar]

At work getting prepared to clock in for the day

If it's Lewdy and Moe then I have laughably had both towns in my trust circle for like the entire game lmaoooo

I really should do my due deligency and verify Haku's work but that's gotta wait until tonight sadly. Again, I shouldn't have signed up for this I think. I'm too use to games here being slow and inactive

But I'm also low on enthusiasm and drive here because A I've been so wrong this game it's a sin and B Lewdy would have absolutely dipped the first time had his partner been a seasoned player, even an inactive. Haku's making a lot of sense here for once in his TWG Career

Sheeping Haku feels a little gross but if I start looking at ISOs later and it's remotely as he reports, I think it's solved game ggs

[TWG Michael Scott]

Okay, so, we have a bit of a situation.

-Michael Scott is standing to the side of the door, watching paramedics wheel someone out-

So DucDucGoos is... she's being "taken care of". The paramedics are very good at their jobs and they said that they would "take care" of her and I am sure she is going to be completely fine and I am not going to get into the specifics of what happened becauuuse... honestly I am still processing it myself and also HR has advised me not to. What I can say is that I felt horrible. Absolutely useless. As useless as I did when Stanley had a heart attack back in Scranton, which basically means we spent all that money hiring the first aid trainer for nothing! And we had to pay like five thousand dollars for her stupid dummy, too. I feel... awful.

Now, normally this is the part where we wish her well and move on. But here is the thing. And I did not write these rules, I just agreed to operate within them, BUT HR's onboarding contract is very clear that participation in this exercise is MANDATORY for each new employee, or their agents. It's in section four. Paragraph nine. There's a footnote. It is a very thorough document, as you may remember from signing it. Anyway, the consequence of breaking that clause is apparently even worse than the liability waiver I read earlier, so yikes!

So... About thirty seconds after the ambulance left, this gentleman walked in.

-gestures to a man in a dark suit and sunglasses standing very still near the door-

He says his name is Charu. He says he is DucDucGoos' legal representative and that he will be participating in this onboarding in her place, in all capacities, for the express purpose of ensuring she does not violate the terms of her HR contract and end up in litigation. I tried asking her if he was being honest and she kind moved her eyes up and down a little, so I can only assume that's a "yes".

I have a lot of questions. So many questions. But I... I am going to be professional and I am going to be a leader and I am not going to ask any of them. Except, why are you wearing your sunglasses indoors? and how much do you charge? because boy I would hate to be the one paying you at the end of this 10 day event.

Anyway, anyway, it's time to lead because that's what I do. I am a leader. So I would like to say, on behalf of everyone, welcome, Charu.

There is a name tag on the table. It says DucDucGoos on it. I understand if that can be complicated or difficult, but I will need you to wear it and participate as best as you can.

-watches Charu sit down without saying a word or removing his sunglasses-

...This'll be one expensive legal fee.

DucDucGoos has been replaced for Charu, effective immediately.