TWG Turbo 41: Trust Fall! [GAME THREAD]

[Hakulyte]

Watch me being in the Final 4 in this game.

[FreezinIce]

Watch me being in the Final 4 in this game.

Theoretically anyone who trusts sunfan should have a trust read on you by proxy since you could've left with sunfan if you were a wolf but didn't

So I think there's basically 0 chance you end up in final 4

[FreezinIce]

Alternatively later if Haku ends up leaving later and is revealed to be a wolf then sunfan is HEAVILY implicated as his partner unless Haku decided to not accept town!sunfan trust fall just to sow discord later.

Lots of interesting wrinkles this game that while not strictly necessary to know make it more interesting

[FreezinIce]

For this reason I think failed trust falls are pretty valuable, obviously not as valuable as a successful T/T trust fall but they open the door for trust falls to happen by proxy.

Example: I trust Haku but have a null/wolf read on Lar. Haku tries to trust fall with Lar but gets rejected. If I trust Haku, I am forced to accept that Lar can be trusted since there is no mechanical reason why he would not be town in this situation unless wolves are playing against their win condition. That sets up a possible Freezin/Lar trust fall that couldn't have existed otherwise even if Lar trusted me before because until then I had Lar as null/wolf.

[Shadow_God_10]

Watch me being in the Final 4 in this game.

I do not see any universe where you are in this game for THAT long, bud. As much I love you and want to yap...I can always just reach out on Discord or something. You are almost certainly leaving sooner rather than later given the current state of affairs

[Shadow_God_10]

I am simply too tired at this point to get to work on a reads list.

Future Lewdy will be taking care of that. I'm just marking this here to remind myself in the morning when I am coherent

[FreezinIce]

Game starts getting pretty deterministic when you think in those terms. Hmm...well based on what I've seen nobody will likely be thinking about the game like this so probably a largely moot point

[FreezinIce]

I am simply too tired at this point to get to work on a reads list.

Future Lewdy will be taking care of that. I'm just marking this here to remind myself in the morning when I am coherent

Don't post a reads list. Read what I said before. Unplug yourself from the matrix!

[Shadow_God_10]

As an off topic question regarding forum usage: I've bookmarked my post (#545)

Can everyone else see that bookmark, or is it only me?

I'm assuming it's only me, but I just want to be sure

[Shadow_God_10]

Don't post a reads list. Read what I said before. Unplug yourself from the matrix!

One moment here...Let me go back and ISO you to find that post and see if I can swallow it with how much longer I have brain power

[FreezinIce]

One moment here...Let me go back and ISO you to find that post and see if I can swallow it with how much longer I have brain power

Uh oh. I'm happy you are listening to me and reading it but probably not a good post to digest with limited brainpower lol

[FreezinIce]

If this was an experiment I'd want to feed you a food pellet to give you positive reinforcement that a reads list wouldn't be necessary this game

[Twgv]I trust Shadow_God_10[/twg]

Feel free to reject this if you don't trust me back.

I'm showing you that you can get positive results without playing to the paradigm of traditional TWG aka reads lists which are largely pointless.

I've just generated a data point and give town valuable information without posting a single reads list and you can too

[FreezinIce]

Oops I can type on my phone properly

I trust Shadow_God_10

[Shadow_God_10]

I'm not really trying to be read town here. That's just going to be a consequence of my actions that will come naturally if I want it to or not.

Time for me to give a hot take that will cause me to get hit by hammers

If we arnt going with my Quarantine idea I'm on the borderline of thinking a reads list seems kind of whatever, it's just a tool to air out suspicion and subtly point the finger of shame (tm) at specific people. The issue is without the threat of a lynch this means nothing, and socially it only means as much as each individual person is willing to give it credence.

To puf it a different way, no matter how much you think someone is or isn't wolfy in a normal twg, the end result of a end of day vote for a lynch is a universal constant in TWG. Death means the same thing no matter what the reasons are or what people think about it. And death is universally undesirable in TWG as either faction 99 times out of 100 so the threat of it keeps people in line

Without that threat in this game, what is considered normal TWG play becomes an invisible fence, a toothless threat. I could just sit around and do nothing all day or act in a way that seems extremely shady by the common metric of TWG play and as long as 1 person isn't bothered by it my behavior won't be punished. That's the main difference that people don't seem to be grasping here.

So Toko, no I will not be giving a reads list. Not now. Maybe not ever, who can say? Why does it matter that everyone knows who I'm suspicious of? Free your mind

This is the post that you're referring to, yes?

If so, this is a brand new way of thinking about this game that I honestly never even considered... I guess I'm too used to the whole routine of "Oh shit, we're in a TWG game! I need to get some reads going at some point"

I want to try to use my own words here to digest what you're saying so here we go....

What I believe you're getting at is a reads list would only do nothing but satisfy the general court of public opinion looking for who people think are towny vs who is not. This game essentially breaks those constraints because, as has been mentioned, no matter what we do, we're stuck with two wolves and can't get rid of 'em, so we may as well just post however we please and if trust comes, it comes.

I think that's my basic understanding of this wall you made

[FreezinIce]

This is the post that you're referring to, yes?

If so, this is a brand new way of thinking about this game that I honestly never even considered... I guess I'm too used to the whole routine of "Oh shit, we're in a TWG game! I need to get some reads going at some point"

I want to try to use my own words here to digest what you're saying so here we go....

What I believe you're getting at is a reads list would only do nothing but satisfy the general court of public opinion looking for who people think are towny vs who is not. This game essentially breaks those constraints because, as has been mentioned, no matter what we do, we're stuck with two wolves and can't get rid of 'em, so we may as well just post however we please and if trust comes, it comes.

I think that's my basic understanding of this wall you made

That is a good summary of what I was trying to get across and very accurate. Thank you for reading it