TWG XL: Mall Madness

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At exactly thirty nine minutes past twelve, Iggy, Wilkin and Hans strolled up to Fran’s Fashions, in the southern wing of the mall.

“With a mall wide sale,” Wilkin said, chomping down on another handful of popcorn he had picked up only moments before at “Colonel’s Kernel”, “you want to buy underwear? There’s something seriously wrong with you.”

Iggy ignored the comment and continued into the store as Hans and Wilkin snickered.

“Try getting a girlfriend someday,” he sneered, after the comments behind him grew louder.

“Well, I’d rather not have one,” Hans began, trying not to laugh, “than one who couldn’t fit into any two pairs of panties in this place.”

With that, Iggy threw down the selection of thongs he had picked out for his girlfriend and stormed out of the store. When the laughter of the two others finally died down, thirst kicked in. They left the store in search of Iggy, and something to quench their thirst as well.

“He’s probably over at the electronics store now,” Hans said, taking his change from a rather creepy looking man who had set up a hot dog stand in the middle of the food court. “Yeah,” Wilkin chimed in, “hopefully he gets a better TV; that way he’ll be able to see the porn better and he’ll stop complaining.”

The two shared a chuckle again. After a minute, Hans broke the silence.

“Okay, this is boring. We’ve almost been here an hour and nothing exciting has happened. I was hoping there’d be at least one fight over those digital cameras in the Photo room, or even some harsh words exchanged; this town is way too nice.”

“I agree,” Wilkin said, pushing his empty soda cup aside, “If we could just-”

Just then a scream echoed through the corridor. It came from Fran’s Fashions. Hans and Wilkin both jumped up and bolted toward the store.

A large crowd had gathered around one of the dressing rooms. Hans tried to push through the crowd, but to no avail. Wilkin hand craftily grabbed a stepping stool from under one of the clothing displays and was looking over the crowd.

“What do you see, dude?” Hans asked, trying to pull himself up to Wilkin’s height. “Well? What is it?”

But a frozen look of horror had crossed his friend’s face. “D-de-dead,” Wilkin stammered, suddenly looking sick.

“What?!” Hans cried, pushing his friend out of the way.

Finally getting some footing on the top of the stool, Hans looked over the crowd. Sitting inside changing room number two, sat the body of Chromer, covered in blood, a terrified look etched into his now lifeless face.

“Holy Sh-” Hans started, but was cut off by a loud crash, just to his right. He looked over to see what had caused the noise and nearly choked.

Wilkin had passed out and fallen off the stool onto a rather large glass container displaying cheap jewelry. A large shard of broken glass had basically split his entire neck wide open, and he was writhing in horror, grasping it. Within a few seconds, the movement stopped and Wilkin was dead.

An eerie silence filled Fran’s Fashions for a few seconds. Then all hell broke loose.


Chromer is dead. He was GREEN.

Wilkin is dead. He was BLUE.

It is now day 1. Day will end MONDAY NIGHT @ 11:59PM.

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Can't win 'em all.

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"Wilkin is dead. He was BLUE."

What a great way to start it off, eh?

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well that screws things up.

a public alliance is still definitely salvageable, but there's some risk involved. man. Best way to work it would be to have the bane come out (assuming the bane is still alive) I think. that way there's at least some uncertainty on the part of the wolves/sk about the remaining blues. The risk involved is if wilkin was the guardian, in which case the bane would be a sitting duck for the sk, if the sk were to go for him.

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****. Losing a blue on Night 1 is not fun, especially since we have two deaths a game. The only blue we can really afford to lose this early is the seer... we're in deep trouble if the guardian or wolfsbane is gone.

If you are the seer and happen to be alive, DO NOT come out in the thread. If our guardian is gone, you are not safe.

Okay, we need to talk strategy. If we can't pull together and form a decent plan, luck is our only chance of pulling off a human victory. First order of business is the wolfsbane. If the wolfsbane happens to still be alive, I recommend that he always protect himself, because unless the SK attacks him, his protection will cause a wolf to be killed. This only will hold if the wolfsbane keeps his identity 100% secret. If you are the wolfsbane, do not tell ANYONE your role.

With that in mind, we must remember that the death reports have almost no indication of who killed who. We can never be certain that the SK or wolves made an attack on a certain person.

Thinking of that reminded me of one more thing... the wolfsbane will potentially get one kill on the wolves unless they are ridiculously stupid.

Sorry that my post jumps around a bit. Anybody have any other ideas, or counters to mine?

EDIT: Talisman got in before me. I want to emphasize that the wolfsbane NOT come out until we weight the pros and cons of such a move.

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I signed up without looking at the actual specs of this game.

The wolves are pretty much set up to win without much effort. Four wolves with around two kills every night with only 13 humans (11 now)... So we have like 3-4 days before we lose?

I mean, I guess an alliance would push the end of game back a bit, but even with a strong alliance (is there a such thing in a game with MW?) I don't foresee any outcome besides wolf victory. Really, I'd say our only good chance is to hope for luck; luck in that maybe we'll take out a few wolves quickly, or a better outcome: the wolves killing the serial killer or us mistakenly lynching them.

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nforcer is right. This is going to be pretty much a pure luck game since we already lost a blue. Just hope the wolfsbane knows what he's doing.

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seer vs bane is a relatively straightforward argument. whether or not there should be a public alliance head in the first place is a whole other issue.

but here's why the bane would be better than the seer at this point:

1. bane is PROBABLY still alive... I can't see four wolves debating and deciding amongst themselves to kill chromer (which is what would have had to have happened if wilkin was killed by the sk). only way wilkin is both the bane and killed by the wolves is if he decided to protect someone else, which I don't see him doing.

2. assume the worst case scenario: wolves killed wilkin. That means they (and the sk, since the sk knows who the wolves target obviously) know that either the guardian or the seer is dead.

so then if

3. the seer comes out, we're boned, as both sk and wolves would know then that the guardian is dead, and the protection of the bane would mean nothing.

but if

4. the bane comes out, then there's at least a 50/50 chance that the guardian will be there to protect him, a chance the sk may or may not respect.

5. assuming worst case scenario again, the sk would choose not to respect those odds, and therefore it's essentially a coinflip for us to decide whether to have a public bane or have another dead blue.

given all that, I'd say it's probably not worth it. in fact, what am I thinking? of course it's not worth it. bane being public does nothing but make both the bane and guardian (they would presumably be guarding each other) worthless.

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Just for clarification, "Serial Killer - your card will be flipped and say "Green."

"The wolves are pretty much set up to win without much effort. Four wolves with around two kills every night with only 13 humans (11 now)... So we have like 3-4 days before we lose?"

Chromer could have been the SK, but it's HIGHLY unlikely (I don't know what happens if the wolves kill the SK and the SK sends a kill too).

Also, sticky please.

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If Chromer was the serial killer, then that means that the wolves wolfed him.

Maybe we stand a chance if the wolves are that stupid, eh?

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I have to question the idea that the SK would kill a public wolfsbane. The SK needs to work with the humans, because eliminating all the wolves still allows him a win but eliminating all the humans puts him at great risk to lose. Killing the bane means that all of a sudden the humans are down two blues and need to blindly pick off three wolves in order for the serial killer to have a chance to win.

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good point. I was just assuming the sk would work against the humans until later in the game.

doesn't change the fact though that the bane being public isn't really advantageous. (especially if wilkin was the seer).

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It would depend on whether or not a human alliance is advantageous. Recent games has proved that it might not be the best for a human alliance to form, because it's very easy for the wolves to infiltrate it. Which is why I'm kind of reluctant to say that a human alliance is going to be good for us.

About the kill: I don't see the wolves killing Chromer. Why would they? Wilkin's way more experienced and seems more of a plausible kill for the wolves. But then again, why kill Chromer if you're the SK? Either way, the kill is perplexing.

I'm about to throw out a vote on someone just to get some discussion going. Right now all it's been is people bitching about a blue being dead. It's over, it's happened, yes it sucks a GREAT deal, but it just means we need the blues to SHUT THE **** UP unless explicitly told not to by multiple people. If you're the seer, do not come out unless the wolfsbane goes public, and if you do, only to him. The guardian should NEVER come out (sup FFR) but that goes without saying.

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Chromer is the wolf kill and Wilkin is the SK kill. This is bad. Why do I know this? Think about it.

The wolves must avoid two snare traps, the first is the guardian, the second is the wolfsbane. They realize the wolfsbane will be guarding themselves unless the wolfsbane is a very poor player who thinks they have no chance of dying and thus risk placing the wolfsbane on a high level player to try to guard them night one (this is a sub-optimal move, the wolfsbane should never do this, but dumb ones will). Therefore, they have two threats against going for players likely to be in the standard guard / wolfsbane pool. Additionally they want to ensure that their kill does not overlap with the SK. Now, given that there are THREE preventative measures the wolves definitely want to make a safe play and take out a green... After all they get to watch two motherfucking players die a day, and on this day there's an 80% chance that both players are human (the SK only hits a wolf 20% of the time). With this in mind, raw attrition is enough for the wolves, and they are going to go for the safe choices: Absolutely random players that no one thinks about.

Furthermore, assuming Wilkin has a brain (which I think he does), if he is the wolfsbane he will mark himself. Therefore, there is a 33% chance that a wolf dies instead of a blue when they peg a blue. This alone makes it more likely that the SK hit a blue than the wolves did.

Put both of these together, and I think it's pretty obvious which kill is which. Therefore, there is an even chance that it is the wolfsbane, guardian, or seer which died last night.

I would put my confidence in this prediction being correct as high as 85%, it really looks obvious.