FFRmas Day 12

[_Zenith_]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

either sdg or % based systems are superior

aaa ratings place a greater emphasis on ntrials versus actual skill level

in other words

its a shittier measurement of skill

% based system in fiffer is currently broken (AA is something like 99+% which is janks while A is anything from 90-98%)

it's true that SDG based system would outrule AAA here although switching the entire system would take a large chunk of time as there are 1900+ songs in-game with more definitely coming between now and projected time of finishing the system switch; not in the least to say it wouldn't be worth it.

@sweet, I look at Gunkienen Tarasuigin when I look at Azul, both are roughly the same sketch of each other with the exception that Azul is broken JS while Gunk has more of a defined burst-JS section spread throughout entire chart.

at the lowest Waltz would be 77-78 still because of how the intro is fast and dense while the trilling section asks to be extremely technical (in terms of D5 skill) even if the outro is stupid simple

[ssbmchamp]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

% based system in fiffer is currently broken (AA is something like 99+% which is janks while A is anything from 90-98%)

it's true that SDG based system would outrule AAA here although switching the entire system would take a large chunk of time as there are 1900+ songs in-game with more definitely coming between now and projected time of finishing the system switch; not in the least to say it wouldn't be worth it.

@sweet, I look at Gunkienen Tarasuigin when I look at Azul, both are roughly the same sketch of each other with the exception that Azul is broken JS while Gunk has more of a defined burst-JS section spread throughout entire chart.

at the lowest Waltz would be 77-78 still because of how the intro is fast and dense while the trilling section asks to be extremely technical (in terms of D5 skill) even if the outro is stupid simple

I agree that 77-78 would be a more appropriate rating for Waltz

[_Zenith_]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

am awaiting rob to come in here and go

"quit bickering nerds"

"walts is 79 deal with it "

<3

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

you don't need to take a class to look at hard, factual data, to say "hmmmm this song is harder than that one" and make an educated guess on what the rating should be.

the songs may have different skill sets but if on one song 10 people AAA it and on the other 40 people AAA it, common sense tells me that one skill set is much easier to acquire than the other, therefore justifying a lower rating. sometimes common sense is better than trying to sound like some mathematical genius that's over analyzing the shit out of something that doesn't need to be this complicated.

do you really want to get into this with me

@zenith technically no development or effort being put into ffr is "worth it" from any conventional standpoint but that certainly hasn't stopped people from spending hours working on it and it's no reason to cling to an antiquated rating system that can be vastly improved with minimal effort

[One Winged Angel]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

either sdg or % based systems are superior

aaa ratings place a greater emphasis on ntrials versus actual skill level

in other words

its a shittier measurement of skill

AAA-based difficulties may not be as desirable for the algorithm used for skill rating, but when the end goal for scoring on a file for 95+% of players on FFR is to AAA it, and token content unlock conditions are predicated on AAA'ing files of specific difficulty, it certainly seems to be the most appropriate way to ascertain difficulties. If neither of those two conditions existed, and if the FFR difficulty ceiling wasn't so piss poor, I would be much more in favor of a % based system.

Given the nature of files on SM it makes a fuckton more sense to create an algorithm that assesses difficulty based on how hard something is to AA or reach whatever %. FFR apparently has letter grading conditions for scoring too. AA is 99% raw score, A is 90 or 95% idfk, the point is literally no one gives a shit and I've seen maybe three people post about breaking a certain percentage threshold on a file. They all play to ultimately AAA it.

[hi19hi19]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

I suggested waltz at 78. Does feel easier than Azul to me, but since this is FFR and FFR only cares about AAAs, I admit it's harder to reliably AAA.
If you're fast enough to do Azul, you pretty much can AAA it no problem, which isn't really what's going on in waltz


Besides ratings on FFR ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ anyway lol

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

yeah the problem with % ratings in ffr is you'd have to redesign the entire scoring system from the ground up to make it worth using so i wouldn't advocate that particularly

i still think moving to sdgs makes more sense than not doing so even without implementing an automated system; it aligns with the somewhat shifting focus away from AAA focused meta, and also is healthier in the long term.

[YoshL]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

I think in the end, the community has grown small enough that a change like moving away from AAA based score mindsets to SDGs or even 99% raw score isn't that bad. Sure, many skill token unlocks and other such things are based on AAAs, but I think in the end, dwelling on the past and making attempt to keep things the same as they always were isn't necessarily the right way to do things?

starting with a 60 fps engine that converts directly from the .sm to get accurate charts (hue)

[One Winged Angel]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

also I replayed waltz and I'm changing back to 78

I have a ton of things I could talk about for a proper way of structuring and assessing difficulties on FFR but quite frankly (and other people are well aware) I don't care that much at this point and a large reason as to why I'm even still here is because I haven't found anyone to pass off doing song difficulties to (although corn and I tend to rate unreleased files under 89ish nearly identically a large majority of the time but I'm sure he also doesn't care). Changing to SDG-based difficulties wouldn't result in more than a +/-2 change for the hardest third of files in game, obviously barring any files with extreme spike spurts for 50 arrows or something. They would just need to be combed through again which really wouldn't be that time-consuming by anyone competent (read: unbiased). Under 66 is a fucking mess like I've said many times before and needs a complete restructuring anyways.

[psychoangel691]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

Yeah all the lower ratings are really screwy. I don't think anyone really wants to devote the time right now to try to adjust everything.

[_Zenith_]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

Yeah all the lower ratings are really screwy. I don't think anyone really wants to devote the time right now to try to adjust everything.

I combed through at something like 9-10% of the lower difficulty ratings and made some notes but it would still take me time to finish the rest of them

I still have the spreadsheet for when I did this too (this was months ago)

[psychoangel691]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

Found an easier file for the event \o/ It's not going to be till day 11 though cause I had to swap with a later file since others are ready to go.

[rzr]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

Yesss!!!!!!!!

[smartdude1212]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

corn and I tend to rate unreleased files under 89ish nearly identically a large majority of the time

We make a g team too but I also don't care. \o/

[ULTIMEGA]

Re: FFRmas Day 6

Would have to agree that waltz is a 78.

Azul feels like an 80 to me. But maybe that's my ass talking to me again.