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  • Netjet!
    Sic itur ad astra
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Jan 2008
    • 4701

    #4096
    Re: Ingame Song Information

    Max Forever isn't really hard, but it's definitely not an 8. I'd agree and say a mid-to-maybe-high-9.
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    • hi19hi19
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      FFR Simfile Author
      • Oct 2005
      • 12194

      #4097
      Re: Ingame Song Information

      Is there a list anywhere of what number corresponds to what difficulty? I sometimes get confused... yes I'm dumb, don't have to tell me


      Like 8 = Very Difficult and 12 = For Guru's Only
      Seems like a smart thing to have in the first post, for reference.


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      • Netjet!
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        FFR Simfile Author
        • Jan 2008
        • 4701

        #4098
        Re: Ingame Song Information

        True enough.
        Here's a quick one:

        Code:
        [B]Song Difficulties:
        ---------------[/B]
        [B]1 [/B]- Easiest
        [B]2 [/B]- For Beginners
        [B]3 [/B]- Very Easy
        [B]4 [/B]- Easy
        [B]5 [/B]- Standard 
        [B]6 [/B]- Tricky 
        [B]7[/B] - Difficult (D)
        [B]8[/B] - Very Difficult (VD)
        [B]9 [/B]- Challenging (C)
        [B]10 [/B]- Very Challenging (VC)
        [B]11[/B] - For Masters Only (FMO)
        [B]12[/B] - For Gurus Only (FGO)
        [B]13[/B] - For Stepmen Only (FSO)
        RIP Steve Van Ness <3

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        • Darkbreezee
          FFR Player
          • Aug 2009
          • 455

          #4099
          Re: Ingame Song Information

          lol for Stepmen only .., kinda funny since those files do not feel that "steppy" at all .., should be "FFR" -> "For Freaks Recommended"

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          • rayword45
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            FFR Simfile Author
            • Feb 2007
            • 3212

            #4100
            Re: Ingame Song Information

            Very Difficult's acronym sounds like Venereal Disease.

            Also, just saying, NO WAY IN HELL TTE is harder then FN or Tageri.
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            • bballa48
              FFR Veteran
              • Jan 2007
              • 1496

              #4101
              Re: Ingame Song Information

              Originally posted by rayword45
              Very Difficult's acronym sounds like Venereal Disease.

              Also, just saying, NO WAY IN HELL TTE is harder then FN or Tageri.
              Tageri is a mid ish FGO, so um, yes.

              But FN? Come on, that song is a freakin joke. It is the easiest FGO, and I would say that 90 percent of the population would agree with that. Of course I haven't AAA'd it because I suck, but whatever.

              I am so sick and tired of people rating songs based on the average difficulty. I don't care if the last half of TTE was freakin Trip to the Moon-esque, the hard section(s) alone make it a FGO.

              Wowzers, I am in a bad mood I see. Sorry for the harsh tone, but seriously... this frustrates me.
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              • Emithith
                FFR Player
                • Sep 2008
                • 1784

                #4102
                Re: Ingame Song Information

                I'm a bit surprised there isn't a definite, non-negotiable rule for difficulty, like if the nps is higher than a certain amount, or if the notes ÷ song length is high enough it's automatically a ____.

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                • Netjet!
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                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 4701

                  #4103
                  Re: Ingame Song Information

                  Originally posted by Emithith
                  I'm a bit surprised there isn't a definite, non-negotiable rule for difficulty, like if the nps is higher than a certain amount, or if the notes ÷ song length is high enough it's automatically a ____.
                  There are too many factors to be able to make a definite song "equation" for difficulty placement. It would be VERY useful if we did have one, but there are simply too many things that play into what difficulty a song is. If you can somehow figure out a way to incorporate everything into an equation, or something along those lines, that will let us decide the difficulty of a song, go ahead.
                  RIP Steve Van Ness <3

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                  • rayword45
                    Local Teenage Wastebasket
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 3212

                    #4104
                    Re: Ingame Song Information

                    Originally posted by bballa48
                    But FN? Come on, that song is a freakin joke. It is the easiest FGO, and I would say that 90 percent of the population would agree with that. Of course I haven't AAA'd it because I suck, but whatever.

                    I am so sick and tired of people rating songs based on the average difficulty. I don't care if the last half of TTE was freakin Trip to the Moon-esque, the hard section(s) alone make it a FGO.

                    Wowzers, I am in a bad mood I see. Sorry for the harsh tone, but seriously... this frustrates me.
                    Trip To The Moon-esque? lolexaggerate. I don't see how the hard parts make it an FGO? As TC_Halogen already stated, several 11's have sections equal to those (If you're talking about the 48th walls/12th jacks+bs). If that's the case, Crowdpleaser could get away with a 14.

                    Also, according to the scale, Reality is the easiest FGO (if we're talking about PASSING, I say HELL NO)
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                    • bballa48
                      FFR Veteran
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 1496

                      #4105
                      Re: Ingame Song Information

                      Originally posted by rayword45
                      Trip To The Moon-esque? lolexaggerate. I don't see how the hard parts make it an FGO? As TC_Halogen already stated, several 11's have sections equal to those (If you're talking about the 48th walls/12th jacks+bs). If that's the case, Crowdpleaser could get away with a 14.

                      Also, according to the scale, Reality is the easiest FGO (if we're talking about PASSING, I say HELL NO)
                      Name me an FMO with a tougher section than the jumptrill/burst/megaburst combo.
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                      • TC_Halogen
                        Rhythm game specialist.
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        FFR Music Producer
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 19376

                        #4106
                        Re: Ingame Song Information

                        just because there's nothing comparable to a certain file doesn't mean it's FGO; there is a such thing as the highest of a difficulty, like Over a Frail Dream being the only 9 with huge extended 200 BPM 16th runs.

                        and Tageri is not a mid-12, not even close. sorry, but TTE isn't a 12; the 48ths are implied jumptrills at 185 BPM, which really isn't horribly fast for something that's only 7 notes. If I were to take TTE's patterns and change it to what most people are cheating the patterns as, it would look absolutely nothing like a 12.
                        Last edited by TC_Halogen; 10-19-2011, 05:49 PM.

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                        • bballa48
                          FFR Veteran
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 1496

                          #4107
                          Re: Ingame Song Information

                          Originally posted by TC_Halogen
                          just because there's nothing comparable to a certain file doesn't mean it's FGO; there is a such thing as the highest of a difficulty, like Over a Frail Dream being the only 9 with huge extended 200 BPM 16th runs.

                          and Tageri is not a mid-12, not even close. sorry, but TTE isn't a 12; the 48ths are implied jumptrills at 185 BPM, which really isn't horribly fast for something that's only 7 notes. If I were to take TTE's patterns and change it to what most people are cheating the patterns as, it would look absolutely nothing like a 12.
                          Mid-12 wasn't the right term. I guess I meant "low 12", but clearly above the lowest 12s.

                          And by jumptrills I was referreing to the one handed jump trills that precede the burst. That is very difficult to time correctly, and then immediately you have to hit those awkward "burst like" patterns before the fast "roll", aka jumptrill.

                          I dunno..... screw terminology and numbers, all I know is that I have a ton of trouble with the song despite it having a lot of patterns I would consider myself pretty good at.
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                          • krunkykai22
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                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 5436

                            #4108
                            Re: Ingame Song Information

                            If you want to talk about how TTE's hard parts aren't enough to make it a 12, then For FFR isn't a 10. Strangeprogram isn't an 11. Going on Spring Wind isn't an 11. the list goes on and on and on.... Hard Parts are what make the song hard. I don't care if its for 5 seconds to 5 minutes. The fact that TTE's beginning to middle section of the song is incredibly difficult to master. Just like 4 Chord Touhou or He's a Rad Rat. He's a rad rat is by far harder then TTE (imo) but that stays as an 11 (for some odd reason) If you want to base off of players scores, Reality I have gotten a BF on it. He's a Rad Rat my best is like 8 goods recently. Frictional Nevada - 3 goods or lower. TTE - 6-1-0-1. So basically that's saying Rad Rat is the hardest based off of my scores. Which, honestly, might not be far off to be truthfully honest.

                            Just like Kanon Kanon. The BPM and chart style make that song hard enough to where it could be an 11. Since that song to me is harder than GoSW/Choprite.... imo.

                            Either which way, the hard parts make the song difficult. AJ, look at Byrons song in the first round "Crimson Crescent" That song is a FFR scale 9. Just because of the trills, it was brought up to what a 35/36? Point proven. Hard parts jack up difficulty, as they should.


                            Originally posted by rayword45
                            They said all opinions are allowed :P

                            As you can see on the list, Over The Frail Dream is like a top-level 9 already.

                            Also, it's been stated 1,000,000 times, but:
                            Time To Eye - 12 -> 11
                            Also, Jurs OP - 8->9
                            Death Piano should be higher then RATO, but nobody else agrees with me on that XP
                            As for this: no.
                            Last edited by krunkykai22; 10-20-2011, 12:01 AM.

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                            • bmah
                              shots FIRED
                              Profile Moderator
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              Global Moderator
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 8448

                              #4109
                              Re: Ingame Song Information

                              Not to mention, the hard parts of TTE occurs within the first half of the song. Hard climaxes in the latter half of songs tend to be more difficult to play through perfectly.

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                              • psychoangel691
                                Retired Staff
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Dec 2004
                                • 10438

                                #4110
                                Re: Ingame Song Information

                                Originally posted by krunkykai22
                                Either which way, the hard parts make the song difficult. AJ, look at Byrons song in the first round "Crimson Crescent" That song is a FFR scale 9. Just because of the trills, it was brought up to what a 35/36? Point proven. Hard parts jack up difficulty, as they should.

                                Our system accounts for files that are border and such. With a 1 - 13 scale you can't achieve this. And I'm sorry but I don't believe a 5 second difficulty spike means that a file should go up in difficulty.

                                Now as for why I came into this thread, I lost the list I had started for a 1 - 100 scale when my harddrive had it's freakout. So I'll have to start all over again.
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