Ingame Song Information

[Niala]

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A 1-20 or 1-50 rating system seems to be the way to go.
[1-20, I would assume, is more likely and would most definitely resolve most difficulty disagreements, while 1-50 is unlikely, but optimal for judging difficulty]

Also a half-mechanized & formulaic, half-humanized input system for rating difficulty would be perfect to rate files. I think we really need a "Great Difficulty Reform" since it's been chaotic and unorganized for quite a while now and things really need to happen to reshape and reform the system or even more confusion and uncertainties will spawn.

1-20 sounds both more plausible and more effective. I think having a system for 1-50 would cause more trouble than it would solve. Spreading difficulties that thin would probably make it even tougher to distinguish between each difficulty. As of right now, there's a pretty clear line, albeit, not perfect, between what should be a D or a VD, for instance. Can you imagine, however, trying to distinguish between a song being a 21 or a 22? I feel as though finding a proper mediation between number of difficulties and what each difficulty represents in a file, i.e., around 20, would be a lot more efficient.

Also, attempts have been made in the past to come up with some way to calculate difficulties of a file, but none of them have worked out very well. Not saying that this isn't a good idea, but coming up with a good mathematical formula would be really difficult.

And to go a step further, we could have a few skill tokens for FEO songs so those players have something to work for while they're improving for that solid FMO AAA.

EDIT: +1 smart idea. It'll stop players from thinking "omfg must get oni"

[who_cares973]

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15 difficulties at the most. Like qqwerf said. No reason to mess with the lower levels

[jimerax]

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If we're going with 1-20, difficulties will be like this.
In this case, we don't have to totally change current system I guess.

(new) - (old)
1 - 1 [easiest]
2 - 2 [for beginners]
3 - 3 [very easy]
4 - 4 [easy]
5 - 5 [moderate]
6 - 6 [ordinary]
7 - low-mid 7 [standard]
8 - mid-high 7 [tricky]
9 - low 8 [very tricky]
10 - mid 8 [difficult]
11 - (very)high 8 - (very)low 9 [very difficult]
12 - mid 9 [challenging]
13 - high 9 [very challenging]
14 - low 10 [?????]
15 - mid-high 10 [very ?????]
16 - very high 10 - low 11 [for experts only]
17 - mid - high 11 [for masters only]
18 - very high 11 - low 12 [for gurus only]
19 - mid-high 12 [for stepmen only]
20 - 13 [for ??? only]

[justin_ator]

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Not a bad system, but it's getting a lot more complex at that point..do 7s, 8s, and 9s need to be messed with?

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

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Please don't use for stepman only it just sounds and looks stupid.

[HammyMcSquirrel]

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I'd say 7 would be fine without being split up, and 8 could just be split up from the "very high" end. (Which would go into a group with low 9.) I'm not too sure about 9 being split up three ways. Having a difficulty for mid to high 9 may be enough. Maybe something like this?

 1 - 1 [Easiest]
 2 - 2 [For Beginners]
 3 - 3 [Very Easy]
 4 - 4 [Easy]
 5 - 5 [Moderate]
 6 - 6 [Standard]
 7 - 7 [Tricky]
 8 - low to high 8 [Very Tricky]
 9 - very high 8 to low 9 [Difficult]
 10 - mid to high 9 [Very Difficult]
 11 - low 10 [Challenging]
 12 - mid to high 10 [Very Challenging]
 13 - very high 10 to low 11 [For Experts Only]
 14 - mid to high 11 [For Masters Only]
 15 - very high 11 to low 12 [For Gurus Only]
 16 - mid to high 12 [For Legends Only]
 17 - 13 [For Stepmen Only]

I threw in "For Legends Only" since a lot of people have suggested that in the past and I think it could work. It's tough to think of anything else, though. (All I could think of for other names to go anywhere on this list is "formidable".) Also, "For Stepmen Only" feels a bit out of place on the list to me, but it should be for difficulty 13 if no other name is better, imo.

[Fantasticone]

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If we're going with 1-20, difficulties will be like this.
In this case, we don't have to totally change current system I guess.

(new) - (old)
1 - 1 [easiest]
2 - 2 [for beginners]
3 - 3 [very easy]
4 - 4 [easy]
5 - 5 [moderate]
6 - 6 [standard]
7 - low-mid 7 [tricky]
8 - mid-high 7 [very tricky]
9 - low 8 [difficult]
10 - mid 8 [very difficult]
11 - (very)high 8 - (very)low 9 [challenging]
12 - mid 9 [very challenging]
13 - high 9 [advanced]
14 - low 10 [?????]
15 - mid-high 10 [very ?????]
16 - very high 10 - low 11 [for experts only]
17 - mid - high 11 [for masters only]
18 - very high 11 - low 12 [for gurus only]
19 - mid-high 12 [all star]
20 - 13 [for legends only]

Some ideas, but 20 seems a lot though =x

[kjwkjw]

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Yeah, I do agree that 20 is a bit too many. Hammy's suggestion could work, but I'd much rather see (current) high 9's be grouped together with (current) low 10's, instead of giving low 10's a separate difficulty. This is because, at least from what I've seen, people have been pointing out a few 9's that could be bumped up to 10's (Over the Frail Dream, for instance).

 1 - 1 [Easiest]
 2 - 2 [For Beginners]
 3 - 3 [Very Easy]
 4 - 4 [Easy]
 5 - 5 [Moderate]
 6 - 6 [Standard]
 7 - 7 [Tricky]
 8 - low 8 to mid 8 [Difficult]
 9 - high 8 to mid 9 [Very Difficult]
 10 - high 9 to low 10 [Challenging]
 11 - mid 10 to high 10 [Very Challenging]
 12 - borderline 10/11 to low 11 [For Experts Only]
 13 - mid to high 11 [For Masters Only]
 14 - low 12 to high 12 [For Gurus Only]
 15 - very high 12 to 13 [For Stepmen Only]

This cuts the scale down to 15 difficulties, and would (hopefully) make difficulty rating a bit easier.

[jimerax]

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If we take the trouble to change the difficulty system, 15 looks a bit too few and not effective enough. 17-18 sounds realistic though.

especially volume zone is 8-11, so we need to split these parts evenly.

[kjwkjw]

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Could take Hammy's list then, and perhaps group high 7's and low 8's in an additional difficulty between 7 and 8 (which would create 18 difficulties). Maybe use the rating "Demanding" somewhere? Haha... although that might cause some confusion because "Difficult" also starts with D.

Still would like to hear what everyone else thinks of grouping very high 9's together with low 10's.

[who_cares973]

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There aren't very many 9's that can be grouped with low 10's that I can think of off the top of my head.

If this happens we need to set difficulty limits by having two songs in each difficulty be the hardest and easiest songs. This will help give a reference point when deciding what difficulty new files should be when being put in game

[HammyMcSquirrel]

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If I'm not mistaken, we are currently at 966 songs in game. (Public and token. Sprite gave me a number a little over a week ago and I added the song releases to it since then.) There are currently 953 on this list from what I gathered. I was able to find 13 that weren't on it.

?? (M) Nice Nice Noise (774 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (R) Dont Breathe A Word [Heavy] (1100 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (R) Unhearted (453 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (R) The Moment [Heavy] (875 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (R) Your Grace [Heavy] (742 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (D) Robot Army --_-- (524 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (R) Break Out! Break Out! [Heavy] (673 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (D) H.T.I.J. (771 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (R) Snake Devil [Heavy] (513 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (R) My Darkest Hour [Heavy] (671 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (R) American in Amsterdam [Heavy] (716 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (R) Lemonade [Heavy] (946 Notes / BPM ???)
?? (D) Vi Sitter I Ventrilo Och Spelar DotA [Heavy] (944 Notes / BPM ???)


I added them now. Hopefully the list is complete after this. Also while I was looking for those, I fixed up some typos/incomplete song titles that I came across. Slowly but surely making this list nice and tidy. P:

[qqwref]

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I can't find Kil Stage - is it missing, or is it misspelled or something?

[LJRoX]

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Yeah, I do agree that 20 is a bit too many. Hammy's suggestion could work, but I'd much rather see (current) high 9's be grouped together with (current) low 10's, instead of giving low 10's a separate difficulty. This is because, at least from what I've seen, people have been pointing out a few 9's that could be bumped up to 10's (Over the Frail Dream, for instance).

 1 - 1 [Easiest]
 2 - 2 [For Beginners]
 3 - 3 [Very Easy]
 4 - 4 [Easy]
 5 - 5 [Moderate]
 6 - 6 [Standard]
 7 - 7 [Tricky]
 8 - low 8 to mid 8 [Difficult]
 9 - high 8 to mid 9 [Very Difficult]
 10 - high 9 to low 10 [Challenging]
 11 - mid 10 to high 10 [Very Challenging]
 12 - borderline 10/11 to low 11 [For Experts Only]
 13 - mid to high 11 [For Masters Only]
 14 - low 12 to high 12 [For Gurus Only]
 15 - very high 12 to 13 [For Stepmen Only]

This cuts the scale down to 15 difficulties, and would (hopefully) make difficulty rating a bit easier.

I would love this


FEO FMO FGO then FSO

[DossarLX ODI]

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http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...php?level=1409

If this is level 1409, how come you're saying there are only mid-900 files ingame? I must have missed something - can someone inform me on this?