Twg XXIX Postgame Wolves Win

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  • mead1
    Cerebellumberjack
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Aug 2003
    • 3960

    #1

    Twg XXIX Postgame Wolves Win

    Afro - Blind wolf
    Jursey - Blind Wolf
    TPS - Interrogator
    Talisman - Angel
    blah - Master Wolf


    Great game played on both sides. Blah had the excellent idea to pretend to be Tass to his Blind Wolves, and TPS went hardcore to hoodwink Jurs. Came right down to the wire, and ended with a large amount of EPIC-Ness.

    gg to all.
  • Tps222
    FFR Player
    • Nov 2004
    • 6168

    #2
    Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

    Sigh.

    Gut equaled Blah

    Logic= Tps7910: Give me reasons as to why Kilga has to be the wolf.
    mastr414: i honestly have none
    mastr414: except for the fact
    mastr414: that i know i'm not
    mastr414: and it makes most logical sense that you're not
    mastr414: so it just has to be him
    mastr414: i know that sounds weak
    mastr414: but its compeltely true
    Tps7910: This is a hard decision for me.
    Tps7910: His lasting through my drilling of questions.
    Tps7910: No way a wolf could have survived that.
    mastr414: honestly
    mastr414: no offense to you
    mastr414: but i don't buy that in the least
    mastr414: you're nto the end all be all of interrogators
    Tps7910: Of course I am.
    Tps7910: I got two wolves to reveal themselves : )
    mastr414: i got 1
    Tps7910: One with your help
    mastr414: and in the end
    mastr414: that's my strongest defense
    mastr414: is it really worth a wolf
    mastr414: to lose another wolf
    mastr414: and possibly 2
    Tps7910: Yes.
    mastr414: if you think that
    mastr414: you're crazy
    Tps7910: You have confidence in yourself.
    mastr414: and that's all there is to it
    mastr414: it has nothing to do with that!
    mastr414: its pure math!
    mastr414: losing 1 wolf
    mastr414: costs 2 extra days
    mastr414: it just isn't worth it
    mastr414: because look at where we're at
    mastr414: a ****ign coin flip
    mastr414: as a confident wolf
    mastr414: why would i want a coin flip!
    Tps7910: What if you knew you could manipulate me?
    mastr414: i didn't
    mastr414: because all game
    mastr414: you've said you're suspicious of me
    mastr414: and not kilga
    mastr414: that's actualyl my best evidence against kilga
    mastr414: he woudl kill tasuke
    mastr414: because of that
    mastr414: he knows you don't suspect him
    mastr414: you've been kinda suspicious of me
    Tps7910: How would he know that?
    mastr414: in your lists
    mastr414: of order of suspicion
    mastr414: i've been in top 3 every time
    mastr414: so it woudl make sense
    mastr414: the other option of him vs tasuke is much harder for him
    mastr414: at least i think he'd think that
    mastr414: and again, no one woudl want to kill you
    mastr414: in case angel's alive
    mastr414: especially kilga!
    mastr414: he wants you alive
    mastr414: because he thinks you're on his side
    Tps7910: posted
    mastr414: you didn't bold it
    mastr414: you're so wrong man
    mastr414: but i honestly would expect nothing less
    Tps7910: Just wait.
    mastr414: ?
    Tps7910: There's more than what meets the eye.
    mastr414: is this a trick because you didn't bold?
    mastr414: i'm so confused
    mastr414: what does it gain
    Tps7910: If Kilga is the wolf
    Tps7910: He'll be like
    Tps7910: vote game over
    mastr414: if he's human he'll be like that too
    mastr414: either way
    mastr414: think about it
    Tps7910: I'm looking for a brag
    mastr414: ohhh
    mastr414: i don't think that's kilga's style
    mastr414: in the least
    Tps7910: Why hasn't he posted.
    Tps7910: Makes no sense.
    mastr414: but that at least makes sesne
    mastr414: ok i liek the play now
    mastr414: i see what your'e getting at
    mastr414: i just don't think it'll work with kilga
    Tps7910: I'm not that dumb : \
    mastr414:
    mastr414: i didn't think of the brag at all
    mastr414: he's def not the bragging type though
    Tps7910: Well.
    Tps7910: You think he'll go just "Blah"
    Tps7910: Hard-fought win
    mastr414: i think so
    mastr414: and discuss more post game
    Tps7910: Also, I can't see you allowing the Jurs kill.
    mastr414: either way
    mastr414: i woudlun't allow any of it
    mastr414: i play to win
    mastr414: not for spite
    mastr414: or anything else
    mastr414: it jstu strictly hurts me
    mastr414: to allow any of that crap
    Tps7910: Well.
    Tps7910: What's there to lose?
    Tps7910: Only gain.
    Tps7910: Thats my type of risk.
    mastr414: what risk are you talkign about?
    Tps7910: There isn't one.
    Tps7910: I'm just saying.
    mastr414: wait for which action
    mastr414: the nonbolded vote?
    mastr414: that i like
    Tps7910: Nothing wrong can come out of the nonbolded
    Tps7910: right
    mastr414: oh yeah
    mastr414: your'e right
    mastr414: he's jtsu staring at the thread btw
    Tps7910: I know
    Tps7910: He's like
    Tps7910: bold it
    mastr414: ok so that didn't work
    mastr414: so you just have to make a decision
    mastr414: I hope you make the right one :-\
    Tps7910: I dunno/
    mastr414: i think i've given all i can
    Tps7910: It seems too perfect
    mastr414: what does
    Tps7910: All the evidence against kilga
    Tps7910: and the plusses of you
    Tps7910: too coincidental to be legit
    mastr414: ha
    mastr414: that may be the most ridiculosu thing ever
    Tps7910: It just seems so stacked.
    mastr414: i'm not trying to stack anything
    mastr414: i'm just saying exactly what i've seen
    mastr414: and feel
    mastr414: based on the game so far
    mastr414: im' not trying to spin it either
    mastr414: just saying my thgohthu process
    mastr414: and what's actually happened
    Tps7910: voted
    mastr414: umm
    mastr414: changed?
    Tps7910: I lose?
    mastr414: you changed vote
    mastr414: i'm confused
    Tps7910: it ended with insta
    Tps7910: of Kilga
    Tps7910: Did I lose?
    mastr414: i'm hoping we win...
    mastr414: unless you were the wolf?
    Tps7910: No.
    mastr414: phew
    mastr414: that's what i was most scared of
    mastr414: ok
    mastr414: we win
    Tps7910: You're not lying to me.
    Tps7910: It's impossible for me to be wolf.
    Tps7910: To fake all those conversations.
    mastr414: yeah
    Tps7910: and kill all those wolves
    mastr414: true
    mastr414: no its over, i win :-\
    Tps7910: I know
    Tps7910: Tass told me.
    Tps7910: Afro cheated
    Tps7910: you loser.
    mastr414: no he didn't
    mastr414: i was on an anon SN
    Tps7910: he lied to all 3
    mastr414: and acted all arrogant
    mastr414: and like an asshole
    mastr414: and jurs and afro said just tell us your'e tass we know you are
    mastr414: and i said shut up i ain't tellin you who i am
    mastr414: he hoenstly thoguht i was tass
    mastr414: and answered compeltely hoenstly
    mastr414: it would have passed a lie detector perfectly
    mastr414: he didn't lie
    mastr414: jurs thought i was tass
    mastr414: that's why she IMd him on his real sn accidentally
    mastr414: to say she was goign to kill hans
    Tps7910: You're an asshole by the way.
    mastr414: how so?
    Tps7910:
    mastr414: :-\
    Tps7910: You made me lose.
    mastr414: playing to win
    mastr414: come on
    Tps7910: I know.
    mastr414: this was liek my best game ever
    Tps7910: Well I said it earlier
    mastr414: i really had no suspicion
    mastr414: from anyone
    mastr414: all game
    Tps7910: I'd rather lose to excellent play then a wrong decision
    Tps7910: Why the questions?
    Tps7910: Why kill afro?
    mastr414: he was going to die anyways
    mastr414: and i was hoping he'd finger tass

    That convinced me too much.

    TWC ruling on this game is?

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    • talisman
      Resident Penguin
      FFR Simfile Author
      • May 2003
      • 4598

      #3
      Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

      I'll wait for tass to get here... but there may be an issue with the question that got tass lynched.

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      • blahblah18
        FFR Player
        • Aug 2004
        • 1662

        #4
        Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

        i made a name called hearandobeyme i acted like an ass tass and jurs assumed i was tass, i decided it would be a better advantage to not dissuade them of that instead of to tell them who they are.. jurs screwed up and not only told tps basically that she was a wolf but then IM'd tass assuming he was the master wolf
        but for now... postCount++

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        • talisman
          Resident Penguin
          FFR Simfile Author
          • May 2003
          • 4598

          #5
          Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

          yeah your plan almost backfired completely there. Got lucky tass wasn't around.

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          • blahblah18
            FFR Player
            • Aug 2004
            • 1662

            #6
            Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

            maybe maybe not, i'm not sure what he would've been able to do anyways
            but for now... postCount++

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            • talisman
              Resident Penguin
              FFR Simfile Author
              • May 2003
              • 4598

              #7
              Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

              forward the convo to tps?

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              • Kilgamayan
                Super Scooter Happy
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Feb 2003
                • 6583

                #8
                Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

                It's a good bet this entire game will be stricken from the record, as well as several bans getting dished out. Nothing set in stone however.

                At least this time the three-way dance talked it out. Now the humans just have to learn to make the right choice. Let me tell you, it doesn't feel that good to be the wrong lynch of a three-way twice in a row. ;/
                I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                • blahblah18
                  FFR Player
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 1662

                  #9
                  Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

                  what convo? I don't have anything, because i used the SN on normal AIM so i coul dbe on this name also (I use gaim) so i don't have saved convos
                  but for now... postCount++

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                  • blahblah18
                    FFR Player
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 1662

                    #10
                    Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

                    I asked mead in advance, I told guido, everyone approved of it at the time, and i told everyone that wasn't alive in the game about it. And I didn't make a fake SN or create a fake anything, i feel asking the host and asking dead twc members is all I can do. You guys know i am the most adamant against cheating of anyone, and I truly believe this was on the level.. Afro didn't lie, he woudl've passed a lie detector, to him, what he said was the truth... he juts didn't have all the correct information
                    but for now... postCount++

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                    • talisman
                      Resident Penguin
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • May 2003
                      • 4598

                      #11
                      Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

                      For reference, the question:

                      3. Have you met with another
                      wolf? If so, reveal his/her identity, if not, say
                      you haven't had any contact with any
                      wolf.

                      The problem: the question should have been more clear about whether it was "have you met a wolf" or "do you think you've met someone who is a wolf"... in other words mead probably should have forced tps to add a clause that stated with what degree of certainty (ie, had talked to them on real sn versus not) the person had about them being a wolf.

                      As it stands, the question assumes 100% certainty... which means afro's response wasn't valid.

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                      • Afrobean
                        Admiral in the Red Army
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 13262

                        #12
                        Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

                        Even though this ended with all the best outcomes for my side, I wouldn't be completely opposed to the game being thrown out.

                        Mead's hosting was terrible. I'll touch on a few subjects and I'm sure Tass will cover any that I miss.

                        #1: allowing the line of questions- The first and second question were the same thing, really. I'd have never allowed that. He might as well have said "are you a wolf?" "are you sure?" In addition, the final question was more than a question. It was a question followed by a if/then command.

                        #2: allowing eb to fill in for tasuke. I know for certain that I had told eb lots of things. Regardless of whether everyone in game already "knew" these things (he knew: I was a wolf and that jurs was a wolf, and I was pretty sure that I told him Tass was a wolf too, but w/e he says he didn't know anything else) is irrelevent, because noah actually knew for certain. Then again, so did everyone else, which brings me to point #3...

                        #3: Allowing Tps to post a chat involving his blue powers, the host of the game, and a dead lynched player. Completely bogus. I know that everyone believed Tps 100%, but that just shouldn't have been done.

                        I dunno... I think that's it. Tass probably has more.

                        PS GG jurs for believing Tps. What were you thinking?

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                        • talisman
                          Resident Penguin
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • May 2003
                          • 4598

                          #13
                          Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

                          (the convo between him and jurs, not you and someone... was talking about tass)

                          by the way, I don't think blah did anything wrong. I just think mead missed noticing a potentially confusing flaw in the question, and he should have had that point clarified.

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                          • Kilgamayan
                            Super Scooter Happy
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 6583

                            #14
                            Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

                            Also, nice attempt at an all caps topic title. >_>
                            I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                            • talisman
                              Resident Penguin
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • May 2003
                              • 4598

                              #15
                              Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

                              Originally posted by afro
                              he first and second question were the same thing, really.
                              nope because in the second one the person could have been blue. There's a very good chance they weren't, but they could have been (ie I could have been lying to tps all game).

                              You're absolutely correct about letting tps post the convos though. That was a huge mistake, as it guaranteed tps' role.

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