Twg XXIX Postgame Wolves Win

Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

Sigh.

Gut equaled Blah

Logic= Tps7910: Give me reasons as to why Kilga has to be the wolf.
mastr414: i honestly have none
mastr414: except for the fact
mastr414: that i know i'm not
mastr414: and it makes most logical sense that you're not
mastr414: so it just has to be him
mastr414: i know that sounds weak
mastr414: but its compeltely true
Tps7910: This is a hard decision for me.
Tps7910: His lasting through my drilling of questions.
Tps7910: No way a wolf could have survived that.
mastr414: honestly
mastr414: no offense to you
mastr414: but i don't buy that in the least
mastr414: you're nto the end all be all of interrogators
Tps7910: Of course I am.
Tps7910: I got two wolves to reveal themselves : )
mastr414: i got 1
Tps7910: One with your help
mastr414: and in the end
mastr414: that's my strongest defense
mastr414: is it really worth a wolf
mastr414: to lose another wolf
mastr414: and possibly 2
Tps7910: Yes.
mastr414: if you think that
mastr414: you're crazy
Tps7910: You have confidence in yourself.
mastr414: and that's all there is to it
mastr414: it has nothing to do with that!
mastr414: its pure math!
mastr414: losing 1 wolf
mastr414: costs 2 extra days
mastr414: it just isn't worth it
mastr414: because look at where we're at
mastr414: a ****ign coin flip
mastr414: as a confident wolf
mastr414: why would i want a coin flip!
Tps7910: What if you knew you could manipulate me?
mastr414: i didn't
mastr414: because all game
mastr414: you've said you're suspicious of me
mastr414: and not kilga
mastr414: that's actualyl my best evidence against kilga
mastr414: he woudl kill tasuke
mastr414: because of that
mastr414: he knows you don't suspect him
mastr414: you've been kinda suspicious of me
Tps7910: How would he know that?
mastr414: in your lists
mastr414: of order of suspicion
mastr414: i've been in top 3 every time
mastr414: so it woudl make sense
mastr414: the other option of him vs tasuke is much harder for him
mastr414: at least i think he'd think that
mastr414: and again, no one woudl want to kill you
mastr414: in case angel's alive
mastr414: especially kilga!
mastr414: he wants you alive
mastr414: because he thinks you're on his side
Tps7910: posted
mastr414: you didn't bold it
mastr414: you're so wrong man
mastr414: but i honestly would expect nothing less
Tps7910: Just wait.
mastr414: ?
Tps7910: There's more than what meets the eye.
mastr414: is this a trick because you didn't bold?
mastr414: i'm so confused
mastr414: what does it gain
Tps7910: If Kilga is the wolf
Tps7910: He'll be like
Tps7910: vote game over
mastr414: if he's human he'll be like that too
mastr414: either way
mastr414: think about it
Tps7910: I'm looking for a brag
mastr414: ohhh
mastr414: i don't think that's kilga's style
mastr414: in the least
Tps7910: Why hasn't he posted.
Tps7910: Makes no sense.
mastr414: but that at least makes sesne
mastr414: ok i liek the play now
mastr414: i see what your'e getting at
mastr414: i just don't think it'll work with kilga
Tps7910: I'm not that dumb : \
mastr414:
mastr414: i didn't think of the brag at all
mastr414: he's def not the bragging type though
Tps7910: Well.
Tps7910: You think he'll go just "Blah"
Tps7910: Hard-fought win
mastr414: i think so
mastr414: and discuss more post game
Tps7910: Also, I can't see you allowing the Jurs kill.
mastr414: either way
mastr414: i woudlun't allow any of it
mastr414: i play to win
mastr414: not for spite
mastr414: or anything else
mastr414: it jstu strictly hurts me
mastr414: to allow any of that crap
Tps7910: Well.
Tps7910: What's there to lose?
Tps7910: Only gain.
Tps7910: Thats my type of risk.
mastr414: what risk are you talkign about?
Tps7910: There isn't one.
Tps7910: I'm just saying.
mastr414: wait for which action
mastr414: the nonbolded vote?
mastr414: that i like
Tps7910: Nothing wrong can come out of the nonbolded
Tps7910: right
mastr414: oh yeah
mastr414: your'e right
mastr414: he's jtsu staring at the thread btw
Tps7910: I know
Tps7910: He's like
Tps7910: bold it
mastr414: ok so that didn't work
mastr414: so you just have to make a decision
mastr414: I hope you make the right one :-\
Tps7910: I dunno/
mastr414: i think i've given all i can
Tps7910: It seems too perfect
mastr414: what does
Tps7910: All the evidence against kilga
Tps7910: and the plusses of you
Tps7910: too coincidental to be legit
mastr414: ha
mastr414: that may be the most ridiculosu thing ever
Tps7910: It just seems so stacked.
mastr414: i'm not trying to stack anything
mastr414: i'm just saying exactly what i've seen
mastr414: and feel
mastr414: based on the game so far
mastr414: im' not trying to spin it either
mastr414: just saying my thgohthu process
mastr414: and what's actually happened
Tps7910: voted
mastr414: umm
mastr414: changed?
Tps7910: I lose?
mastr414: you changed vote
mastr414: i'm confused
Tps7910: it ended with insta
Tps7910: of Kilga
Tps7910: Did I lose?
mastr414: i'm hoping we win...
mastr414: unless you were the wolf?
Tps7910: No.
mastr414: phew
mastr414: that's what i was most scared of
mastr414: ok
mastr414: we win
Tps7910: You're not lying to me.
Tps7910: It's impossible for me to be wolf.
Tps7910: To fake all those conversations.
mastr414: yeah
Tps7910: and kill all those wolves
mastr414: true
mastr414: no its over, i win :-\
Tps7910: I know
Tps7910: Tass told me.
Tps7910: Afro cheated
Tps7910: you loser.
mastr414: no he didn't
mastr414: i was on an anon SN
Tps7910: he lied to all 3
mastr414: and acted all arrogant
mastr414: and like an asshole
mastr414: and jurs and afro said just tell us your'e tass we know you are
mastr414: and i said shut up i ain't tellin you who i am
mastr414: he hoenstly thoguht i was tass
mastr414: and answered compeltely hoenstly
mastr414: it would have passed a lie detector perfectly
mastr414: he didn't lie
mastr414: jurs thought i was tass
mastr414: that's why she IMd him on his real sn accidentally
mastr414: to say she was goign to kill hans
Tps7910: You're an asshole by the way.
mastr414: how so?
Tps7910:
mastr414: :-\
Tps7910: You made me lose.
mastr414: playing to win
mastr414: come on
Tps7910: I know.
mastr414: this was liek my best game ever
Tps7910: Well I said it earlier
mastr414: i really had no suspicion
mastr414: from anyone
mastr414: all game
Tps7910: I'd rather lose to excellent play then a wrong decision
Tps7910: Why the questions?
Tps7910: Why kill afro?
mastr414: he was going to die anyways
mastr414: and i was hoping he'd finger tass

That convinced me too much.

TWC ruling on this game is?

Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

I'll wait for tass to get here... but there may be an issue with the question that got tass lynched.

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i made a name called hearandobeyme i acted like an ass tass and jurs assumed i was tass, i decided it would be a better advantage to not dissuade them of that instead of to tell them who they are.. jurs screwed up and not only told tps basically that she was a wolf but then IM'd tass assuming he was the master wolf

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yeah your plan almost backfired completely there. Got lucky tass wasn't around.

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maybe maybe not, i'm not sure what he would've been able to do anyways

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forward the convo to tps?

Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win

It's a good bet this entire game will be stricken from the record, as well as several bans getting dished out. Nothing set in stone however.

At least this time the three-way dance talked it out. Now the humans just have to learn to make the right choice. Let me tell you, it doesn't feel that good to be the wrong lynch of a three-way twice in a row. ;/

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what convo? I don't have anything, because i used the SN on normal AIM so i coul dbe on this name also (I use gaim) so i don't have saved convos

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I asked mead in advance, I told guido, everyone approved of it at the time, and i told everyone that wasn't alive in the game about it. And I didn't make a fake SN or create a fake anything, i feel asking the host and asking dead twc members is all I can do. You guys know i am the most adamant against cheating of anyone, and I truly believe this was on the level.. Afro didn't lie, he woudl've passed a lie detector, to him, what he said was the truth... he juts didn't have all the correct information

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For reference, the question:

3. Have you met with another
wolf? If so, reveal his/her identity, if not, say
you haven't had any contact with any
wolf.

The problem: the question should have been more clear about whether it was "have you met a wolf" or "do you think you've met someone who is a wolf"... in other words mead probably should have forced tps to add a clause that stated with what degree of certainty (ie, had talked to them on real sn versus not) the person had about them being a wolf.

As it stands, the question assumes 100% certainty... which means afro's response wasn't valid.

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Even though this ended with all the best outcomes for my side, I wouldn't be completely opposed to the game being thrown out.

Mead's hosting was terrible. I'll touch on a few subjects and I'm sure Tass will cover any that I miss.

#1: allowing the line of questions- The first and second question were the same thing, really. I'd have never allowed that. He might as well have said "are you a wolf?" "are you sure?" In addition, the final question was more than a question. It was a question followed by a if/then command.

#2: allowing eb to fill in for tasuke. I know for certain that I had told eb lots of things. Regardless of whether everyone in game already "knew" these things (he knew: I was a wolf and that jurs was a wolf, and I was pretty sure that I told him Tass was a wolf too, but w/e he says he didn't know anything else) is irrelevent, because noah actually knew for certain. Then again, so did everyone else, which brings me to point #3...

#3: Allowing Tps to post a chat involving his blue powers, the host of the game, and a dead lynched player. Completely bogus. I know that everyone believed Tps 100%, but that just shouldn't have been done.

I dunno... I think that's it. Tass probably has more.

PS GG jurs for believing Tps. What were you thinking?

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(the convo between him and jurs, not you and someone... was talking about tass)

by the way, I don't think blah did anything wrong. I just think mead missed noticing a potentially confusing flaw in the question, and he should have had that point clarified.

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Also, nice attempt at an all caps topic title. >_>

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nope because in the second one the person could have been blue. There's a very good chance they weren't, but they could have been (ie I could have been lying to tps all game).

You're absolutely correct about letting tps post the convos though. That was a huge mistake, as it guaranteed tps' role.