TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

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  • StoicRoivaS
    FFR Player
    • May 2006
    • 548

    #316
    Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

    I didn't elaborate on Blah's playing dumb with me because part of what he was playing dumb about was me doubling checking some points of my idea with him. I pointed out the following situation to him, and he claimed to not have realized it.

    Lets say there are 12 players alive in this mock situation. Cypher PMs coordinated guards to the players split guarding 3 of them. If the 3 players to be guarded are public knowledge, let them be A, B, and C, and the wolves are X, Y and C, then a very scary situation could arise. Let's say wolves X, Y and C get the names A, A, and B for their three people they are "supposed" to guard. Now the wolves know that out of the 12 players, 4 are going to be guarding C (a wolf) and that none of them are those 4. So X, Y, and C all guard C, instead of who they are supposed to guard (A A B, respectively). This puts 7 votes to guard C out of the total 12 votes, i.e. almost a 60% chance that C is guarded. Of course this gives the wolves a fair shot at wolfing, and guarding, their fellow wolf.

    This is the situation that I explained to blah a few [real] nights ago. I'm sure I'll catch some more flak for beating this point into the ground but I'm terribly sorry there are so many of you that this needs to be spelled out for. The reason I voted blah is because he "played dumb" quite well while I was explaining this to him. At least that's the blatant impression I got. Here's a bit of the convo if it helps:

    StoicRoivaS: yeah, but then it introduces the problem i've already noted, namely that the wolves may get lucky and actually guard one of their own against their wolfing
    StoicRoivaS: say the 3 people are named on the forum, or are fairly easily assumed, you tass and ap, as an example
    StoicRoivaS: the 3 wolves get your name to guard, but one of the wolves happens to be ap, they all guard him over you, and wolf him, that leaves them a fairly decent chance at a guarded wolf
    StoicRoivaS: yeah, it saves our better players, but it still doesn't protect the team from leading itself into a trap
    mastr414: its a 30 % chance of success
    mastr414: no one woudl do it for 30 %
    mastr414: not worth it
    StoicRoivaS: after tonights wolfing, there are 13 left?, 16 sans talisman, Tps, and person X?
    StoicRoivaS: so say 4 land on tass, 4 and you and 5 on ap, they swing 3 votes from you to ap, giving them 8/13, that's a hefty percentage
    StoicRoivaS: 4 on* you
    StoicRoivaS: that's worst case of course, but it's still a case to consider
    mastr414: ohhhh
    mastr414: wow
    mastr414: I see what you mean
    mastr414: and I never thought of that
    StoicRoivaS: yeah, it could be really ugly
    mastr414: I onyl thoguht assume 3 wolves all get the same name
    mastr414: by happenstance
    mastr414: and I worked out those odds
    mastr414: I see what youre' saying though
    mastr414: damn
    mastr414: you're completely right

    So that's my reasoning for voting blah.

    Sorry for trying to help the team I'll stop...
    Like the moon over
    the day, my genius and brawn are
    wasted on these fools. ~Haiku
    -Bowser

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    • GuidoHunter
      is against custom titles
      • Oct 2003
      • 7371

      #317
      Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

      WHAT IN THE HELL?! THE DAY ENDED TONIGHT?!

      =\

      --Guido


      Originally posted by Grandiagod
      Originally posted by Grandiagod
      She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
      Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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      • JurseyRider734
        lil j the bad b-word
        • Aug 2003
        • 7509

        #318
        Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

        Shashakiro (12:24:53 AM): yo
        im jurs (12:24:55 AM): hi
        Shashakiro (12:25:07 AM): so I don't think blah's lying
        Shashakiro (12:25:19 AM): and I have no idea what he's pulling
        im jurs (12:25:33 AM): lying about him, fish, and ap being wolves?
        Shashakiro (12:25:33 AM): but come on he went out and said it
        Shashakiro (12:25:36 AM): yea
        Shashakiro (12:25:49 AM): he said it and it's very logical for those people to be the wolves
        Shashakiro (12:26:15 AM): p.s. Tass wasn't a wolf, and neither am I
        im jurs (12:26:17 AM): that is true
        im jurs (12:26:24 AM): I didnt really think Tass was a wolf :\
        Shashakiro (12:26:29 AM): he wasn't
        im jurs (12:26:33 AM): how do you know?
        Shashakiro (12:26:44 AM): because it makes no sense for him to be one
        Shashakiro (12:26:50 AM): from what he's said and done
        im jurs (12:26:55 AM): i guess
        im jurs (12:26:58 AM): i didnt think he was wolfy
        im jurs (12:27:04 AM): but you telling me he wasnt a wolf and that you're not a wolf
        im jurs (12:27:07 AM): well thats just talk
        Shashakiro (12:27:09 AM): and the attacks on him were utterly baseless
        im jurs (12:27:11 AM): you could be wolves together :\
        Shashakiro (12:27:16 AM): ok think about it
        Shashakiro (12:27:20 AM): you know Tass
        im jurs (12:27:28 AM): and he's smart
        Shashakiro (12:27:34 AM): would he EVER let a fellow wolf defend him like I've been
        Shashakiro (12:27:47 AM): even to try to play some double reverse psych or whatever
        im jurs (12:27:48 AM): Well that could be reverse psychology
        im jurs (12:27:55 AM): He would try that
        Shashakiro (12:27:59 AM): heh
        Shashakiro (12:28:03 AM): it'd be silly
        im jurs (12:28:06 AM): I've played a lot of games with him
        im jurs (12:28:09 AM): he'd just say to you
        im jurs (12:28:17 AM): "tell them that i wouldnt allow a fellow wolf to defend me"
        Shashakiro (12:28:27 AM): heh
        Shashakiro (12:28:35 AM): but honestly
        im jurs (12:28:41 AM): I'm just saying. It IS possible, and i really dont have strong feelings about ANYONE as of now
        Shashakiro (12:28:43 AM): just look at what blah's said
        Shashakiro (12:28:54 AM): he hasn't even tried to say that he's joking
        Shashakiro (12:28:55 AM): look
        im jurs (12:28:58 AM): I know
        Shashakiro (12:29:08 AM): or not, dammit what the hell where did his AIM window go
        Shashakiro (12:29:11 AM): gay
        Shashakiro (12:29:28 AM): well basically it was him confirming what he said lol
        im jurs (12:29:39 AM): yeah
        im jurs (12:30:12 AM): i dunno
        im jurs (12:30:18 AM): all three of those guys have balls
        im jurs (12:30:24 AM): i COULD picture them doing that..
        Shashakiro (12:30:33 AM): heh
        im jurs (12:30:35 AM): i just dont know if they'd take the chance
        Shashakiro (12:30:43 AM): I think they're banking on phantoms
        Shashakiro (12:30:45 AM): aka guido
        Shashakiro (12:30:52 AM): they're banking on getting me lynched
        im jurs (12:30:55 AM): yeah
        Shashakiro (12:30:59 AM): and then killing everyone else with phantoms
        im jurs (12:31:08 AM): hmm
        Shashakiro (12:31:14 AM): the key is lynching me
        Shashakiro (12:31:21 AM): if that doesn't happen I don't see how they pull it off
        im jurs (12:31:28 AM): why lynching you? :\
        Shashakiro (12:31:32 AM): um
        Shashakiro (12:31:35 AM): look at the thread
        Shashakiro (12:31:48 AM): blah: can I vote shash now?
        Shashakiro (12:31:56 AM): AP: can I vote shash now?




        He bandwaggoned to try to keep tass afloat not once, but twice. That kind of even makes me feel even more confident about voting Tass

        Shashakiro (12:32:08 AM): AP at least tried to give some pathetic reasoning
        Shashakiro (12:32:27 AM): they're obviously going to try to lynch me
        im jurs (12:33:15 AM): Perhaps
        im jurs (12:33:16 AM): i dont know
        im jurs (12:33:18 AM): ap IM'd me earlier
        im jurs (12:33:27 AM): literally 5 seconds after i posted my vote on you
        im jurs (12:33:30 AM): and was like
        im jurs (12:33:34 AM): YOU FEEL THAT WAY TOO!??!
        im jurs (12:33:35 AM): i was like
        im jurs (12:33:48 AM): sort of...its just more of a gut instinct than anything
        im jurs (12:33:55 AM): because i felt this way about sertman last game and i was right
        Shashakiro (12:34:23 AM): well
        Shashakiro (12:34:27 AM): different people, different styles
        im jurs (12:35:12 AM): Thats true
        im jurs (12:35:28 AM): wait
        Shashakiro (12:35:31 AM): and it's AP
        im jurs (12:35:33 AM): you told me to look at the thread
        im jurs (12:35:33 AM): for what
        Shashakiro (12:35:42 AM): for blah and AP trying to off me
        im jurs (12:35:48 AM): yeah i saw that
        Originally posted by Arch0wl
        I'd better be considering I own roughly six textbooks on logic and have taken courses involving its extensive use

        Originally posted by Afrobean
        Originally Posted by JurseyRider734
        the fact that you're resorting to threatening physical violence says a lot anyway.
        Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.

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        • JurseyRider734
          lil j the bad b-word
          • Aug 2003
          • 7509

          #319
          Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

          oh yeah..someone wanted to see the convo i had with Shash so i'm posting it here.
          Originally posted by Arch0wl
          I'd better be considering I own roughly six textbooks on logic and have taken courses involving its extensive use

          Originally posted by Afrobean
          Originally Posted by JurseyRider734
          the fact that you're resorting to threatening physical violence says a lot anyway.
          Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.

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          • aperson
            FFR Hall of Fame
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Jul 2003
            • 3434

            #320
            Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

            can I vote for... no fuck that's not right

            I mean

            CAN I GET A VIGI FOR SHASHAKIRO
            Thank you, this message brought by your local vigilante, aperson.

            P.S. guard me fags.
            P.P.S. bye shashakiro I'm gonna miss u qt
            Last edited by aperson; 08-13-2006, 10:49 PM.

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            • Omeganitros
              auauauau
              • Jun 2003
              • 8897

              #321
              Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

              YES SIR.

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              • MilfeulleSakuraba
                Ryoko Shintani is #1!
                • Feb 2006
                • 403

                #322
                Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

                Cedric Simmons had been noticably nervous for a while now, inclujding profuse sweating. Shelden Williams looked over at him and noticed he seemed almost on the verge of a breakdown. "Hey, dude, you doin' alright?"

                Simmons barely seemed to hear. He suddenly jumped up, shouting "I can't take it anymore! That...that...that..."

                He pointed at Adam Morrison. "...that MOUSTACHE! It looks like complete shit! It's driving me INSANE!"

                With that, Simmons ran out of the room, flailing his arms in the air, leaving a trailing "AAAAAAAAAAAGH" behind him.

                The awkward silence in the room was eventually broken by a few stifled giggles. Morrison put on a look of mock offense and embarassment.

                ---

                aperson, the vigilante, has chosen to kill Shashakiro. Here's hoping he made the right choice.

                Here's the new list of choices for everyone. If you chose Shashakiro for anything, it'd be best to change your mind.

                FishFishRevolution (J.J. Redick)
                GuidoHunter (Saer Sene)
                JurseyRider734 (Shelden Williams)
                flypie743 (Rudy Gay)
                CypherToorima (LaMarcus Aldridge)
                StoicRoivaS (Rodney Carney)
                Kefit (Brandon Roy)
                blahblah18 (Hilton Armstrong)
                Omeganitros (Andrea Bargnani)
                aperson (Adam Morrison)
                Afrobean (Ronnie Brewer)
                Wilkin (Thabo Sefolosha)

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                • aperson
                  FFR Hall of Fame
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 3434

                  #323
                  Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

                  TONIGHT YOU WILL BE SENDING IN GUARD LOTTO PICKS TO GUARD EITHER ME OR KEFIT. GUARD WHICHEVER YOU PREFER, TELL NO ONE WHICH YOU CHOOSE.

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                  • StoicRoivaS
                    FFR Player
                    • May 2006
                    • 548

                    #324
                    Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

                    PS: Lots of love for all you shmucks who won't listen to me because I'm new. You know who you are.
                    Like the moon over
                    the day, my genius and brawn are
                    wasted on these fools. ~Haiku
                    -Bowser

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                    • aperson
                      FFR Hall of Fame
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 3434

                      #325
                      Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

                      Originally posted by StoicRoivaS
                      PS: Lots of love for all you shmucks who won't listen to me because I'm new. You know who you are.
                      shut the fuck up.

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                      • StoicRoivaS
                        FFR Player
                        • May 2006
                        • 548

                        #326
                        Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

                        Like the moon over
                        the day, my genius and brawn are
                        wasted on these fools. ~Haiku
                        -Bowser

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                        • MilfeulleSakuraba
                          Ryoko Shintani is #1!
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 403

                          #327
                          Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

                          Stuff ended 15 minutes ago. Story coming soon.

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                          • MilfeulleSakuraba
                            Ryoko Shintani is #1!
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 403

                            #328
                            Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

                            After two successful draft picks in a row, the players in the back room were starting to calm down and feel better about the circumstances. So it came as an unpleasant shock when David Stern came back out to announce Portland's selection.

                            "There has been a trade."

                            Eyebrows were raised all over the building.

                            "The Portland Trailblazers have agreed to trade the rights to their 2006 first round pick to the New York Knicks for Nate Robinson."

                            A sinking feeling pervaded the back room. Someone was going to get theirs. The audience let loose a smattering of boos at the announcement - Robinson was generally regarded as the hope of the future for the franchise once Starbury's contract ran out.

                            "With the fourth pick in the 2006 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select Brandon Roy, guard, University of Washington."

                            And for the first time in a long time, the crowd cheered. Loudly. The front office had finally done something right!

                            Back in the back room, Roy sighed. "Damn. I guess it was just...meant to be." He walked out of the room slowly towards his undesirable fate.

                            ---

                            It is now Day 3, and Kefit has been killed.

                            FishFishRevolution (J.J. Redick)
                            GuidoHunter (Saer Sene)
                            JurseyRider734 (Shelden Williams)
                            flypie743 (Rudy Gay)
                            CypherToorima (LaMarcus Aldridge)
                            StoicRoivaS (Rodney Carney)
                            blahblah18 (Hilton Armstrong)
                            Omeganitros (Andrea Bargnani)
                            aperson (Adam Morrison)
                            Afrobean (Ronnie Brewer)
                            Wilkin (Thabo Sefolosha)

                            You have until Thursday, August 17th at 7:00 PM Eastern (by my clock) to vote. That's 6:00 PM Central, 5:00 PM Mountain, 4:00 PM Pacific, 3:00 PM Alaskan, 2:00 Hawaiian. REMEMBER, IF YOU FORGET WHEN THIS DAY ENDS AND YOU ASK ME I WILL GIVE YOU A PHANTOM VOTE WITHOUT HESITATION. DON'T TRY MY PATIENCE.

                            Oh, and good luck.

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                            • Kefit
                              FFR Player
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 1517

                              #329
                              Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

                              when does day end


                              Originally posted by seinno
                              and also thank you everone for clearing it up for me I will try to start using my two hands iv tried quit a bit i put my left hand index and middle finger middle finger is on the up arrow index on on left arrow and right hand i use my index for the down button and middle for the right button does that seem weird?

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                              • aperson
                                FFR Hall of Fame
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 3434

                                #330
                                Re: TWG XXXV - Knick It In The Bud

                                Flypie

                                Sorry, you suck at hiding it. Your attempt to jump onto Kefit as a guard save was quite contrived, for exactly the reasons kefit posted back on day 2. You waited a long time and then when no one else went out you came out and said you guarded kefit. Furthermore, everyone said that you should privately message cypher with your guard choice: You showboated it to try to prove your humanity.

                                And frankly, I think you'd like to go for him again tonight.

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